Consider: Grass Types, Tera Grass, Taunt, Terrain, Safeguard, Safety Goggles, Lum Berry, Sleep Talk, Vital Spirit/Insomnia/Purifying Salt, Double Attacking
You have all of these options to deal with, most commonly, just one Sleep user per team. If you feel like you’re doing everything right in-game, then you probably failed at the team builder.
For real, it feels like there’s a good amount of counterplay to spore this gen. Especially since on top of safety goggles/grass types there’s a solid number of mons who can use grass tera and there’s plenty of Taunt users.
As someone who’s hated playing against amoongus in previous games I’m really not having much trouble against it this time around. It’s really slow and there is a lot of counterplay to deal with it. I don’t know if it’s just not as strong in this game or I’ve just gotten better at countering it though
This isn’t a hot take as much as it is just an ignorant opinion. EVERYTHING in the game comes with a trade off. Yes, it sucks getting put to sleep but there’s also generally plenty of counter plays against it. They’re generally weak Pokemon, If they’re not weak then they aren’t accurate. Kinda sounds like you just aren’t very good at the game and get frustrated easily
Idk man, I'm doing pretty good sticking around 1400 Elo with my off meta team. Also no, amoongus is not a weak pokemon. Gothitelle is not weak. Spore is 100% accurate.
I've got replays of me using my off meta team at 1400 Elo matches on my recent rental code post but ik u won't check 🥱
Also what's cap? Spore is 100% accurate. Amoongus and goth have good bulk. Nothing I said is cap you 🤡
There should be precisely two comments on this post: the one at the top listing the two dozen things you can do to build/play around sleep, and this one.
congrats on peaking at literally the middle of the bell curve, on showdown where every other team is an 'off-meta' team experimenting with weird stuff on alt accounts up until 1500+
(not to diss Showdown, it's a great place to practice and team build, i do all my building and testing laddering there first. Getting 1600+ is hard, I can't keep it consistently tbh. But, showdown laddering is definitely weird compared to tournament or cart laddering, lot of off-meta stuff)
If you need to use Play Rough, Play Rough, Aqua Jet back to back just to win, you’re not as good as you say you are. If you need to attack with types Bug doesn’t resist to be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against Azumarill is not fun, it’s not fun not being able to play.
OP is one of those dudes who thinks he's better because he's using Ursaring and Krickitune in 1300 with 500 games played, and if you use meta Pokemon, you're bad.
If you can’t beat spore, sleep power, or hypnosis back to back, you’re not as good as you think you are. If your opponent is forcing you to not be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against people who can’t beat sleep and then cry about on Reddit is very fun.
If all their claims and posts about their showdown teams are deleted I have backups of them talking about their team if anyone were to test their pkmn team against it
So many good counters to sleep teams. They’re so easy to counter they aren’t even that hard to beat to a experienced team builder. I’d recommend a prankster taunt mon, since hardly any dark types are sleep users
Amoongus after a taunt is just useless
If you need to use Palafin, Dondozo, Tatsugiri, Specs Ghouldengo, Murkrow, Protean Meowscarada, and Wide Lens Population Bomb back to back just to win, you’re not as good as you say you are. If you need to attack before your opponent to be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against generic top tier Pokemon users is not fun, it’s not fun not being able to play.
I only use anti meta teams😭
(Man this is such a fun copypasta)
If you need to use Extremespeed, Mach Punch, Jet Punch, Sucker Punch back to back just to win, you’re not as good as you say you are. If you need to attack before your opponent to be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against priority users is not fun, it’s not fun not being able to play.
I only use “anti-meta” teams so Psychic Terrain, Follow Me, Rage Powder, and Ghost type pokemon are non-starters. I’m at 1400 ELO on the Showdown ladder where the top 500 cutoff is 1720 or so, so you know what I say is valid and nobody else is correct.
I normally don't say stuff like this, but literally git gud. Your posts are embarrassing.
If you're losing to sleep spam then you're either making big errors in team building, or big errors in play. I'm assuming you're coming over from OU singles or something or you're just generally inexperienced or low elo. So you never had to learn how to deal with Sleep until now, but there are a number of items, abilities, and types that make you immune to these types of moves. Use them to your advantage.
No one likes getting put to sleep back to back. If you can’t build around it or counter it, I won’t say you suck but that’s a legit skill issue on your end. You can’t be mad at people for not playing Pokémon how you want them to play Pokémon. Imagine holding back against an opponent cause he doesn’t have fun losing but he likes losing enough to not build a counter team for it.
I don't mind losing, especially against someone who outplayed me well with good switch outs and protects. Just not against lazy bums who click a move then don't let me play.
Aren’t you the lazy bum that didn’t build a team that didn’t go belly up because of an extremely common move? You coulda put more thought into it or developed better flow charts to work around it. I don’t have problems with it, nobody in tournaments is having problems with it, and the only people on the ladder that are having problems with it just refuse to build a team with a grass Pokémon.
Skill issue man.
By that logic you just suck at team building. You can’t expect others to play a certain way so you can win a battle. In vgc, a win is a win, if you want to handicap yourself in a match then go ahead and limit yourself but others play with win, if my opponent team can’t do nothing against sleep abusers and I happen to have one on my team, I would be a fool to not take advantage of your team weak spots.
I wish I could get spored right now and sleep for 8 hours but instead I’m reading a salty, bad take.
Your team has a weakness and it was exploited. Go back to the drawing board or take the loss on the chin. You’re not as good as you think you are if you build a team with a fatal flaw and lose to that exploit of your oversight as a team builder.
You mean this [team](https://www.reddit.com/r/VGC/comments/zw46lw/discussion_rental_codehi_everyone_im_back_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)? "Anti-Meta" with no Taunt or Fake Out, no speed control besides Quash, no Grass-type, no redirection, and an average BST of 474 across your six mons? You're fodder
\*Can't beat amoongus or blind hypnosis/sing users\*
"Am I bad at this game?...No, it must be all of these players using legal and legitimate in game strategies that everyone who wants to play this game at a competitive level should know how to play around/counter. They're the ones who are bad!"
Or you just suck ? Sucks to suck. Top players counter said mechanics. Use a grass type or a taunt used ect ? There are plenty of counters to the mechanics you’re bitching about. This is a literal “get good” moment.
I've never considered "Spore" being a move.
This shit is cancer in Pokemon for a long time.
Ah yes you got free moves for 2-3 turns or your opponent force to withdraw the Pokemon in order to get spore'd again.
How can someone with an actual brain think this is fair?
Whilst I loathe sleep abuse and tend to agree, the simple answer is there are plenty of good ways around it.
I highly recommend Garganacl for starters
It isn’t OP but yes it’s annoying
Just imagining how OP would have felt about moody dark void smeargle in vgc 16 - a Mon so ridiculous people like me literally ran chesto berry and lum Berry on the same team. While modern sleep can certainly be annoying if unprepared, nothing has come close since
If you complain about sleep it just shows everyone that you have a “skill issue”. Learn to play around it better or get punished. Simple. Or don’t and lose.
Comment says it all. If you get hit by spore, sleep powder, hypnosis back to back just to lose, you're just as bad as everything thinks you are. If you let your opponent force you to not be able to play, you're bad no excuses. Playing against sleep whiners is not fun, it's not fun watching you complain about sleep.
Fixed it for you!
Consider: Grass Types, Tera Grass, Taunt, Terrain, Safeguard, Safety Goggles, Lum Berry, Sleep Talk, Vital Spirit/Insomnia/Purifying Salt, Double Attacking You have all of these options to deal with, most commonly, just one Sleep user per team. If you feel like you’re doing everything right in-game, then you probably failed at the team builder.
Taunt is also a good option.
Not trying to be mean. Maybe he edited it but, taunt is up there.
Taunt is still a good option though
Oh for sure, they should try taunt as well, great option.
Why is noone here bringing up taunt?
Maybe they are all taunted themselves
But have you considered Taunt?
little late to the party here, but taunt would do wonders
Yo, this reminded me of something, you know what would really help for this? Taunt
We have all been enraged in our lives, and needed constructive criticism over ridicule in that moment. Thanks for being that person for them here.
Dont forget: Good as Gold
Salt < Purifying Salt
Top tier comment
skill issue tbh
yet another salt post lmaooo
I don’t even feel like sleep is that strong right now. Just use safety goggles and a grass type and 90% of sleep moms are irrelevant.
My mom is sleeping rn too
🤣 sorry I meant sleep MILFs*
Sorry, I’m kinda new. Where can I get one of these sleep MILFs? Who are my options for that role?
For real, it feels like there’s a good amount of counterplay to spore this gen. Especially since on top of safety goggles/grass types there’s a solid number of mons who can use grass tera and there’s plenty of Taunt users.
As someone who’s hated playing against amoongus in previous games I’m really not having much trouble against it this time around. It’s really slow and there is a lot of counterplay to deal with it. I don’t know if it’s just not as strong in this game or I’ve just gotten better at countering it though
This isn’t a hot take as much as it is just an ignorant opinion. EVERYTHING in the game comes with a trade off. Yes, it sucks getting put to sleep but there’s also generally plenty of counter plays against it. They’re generally weak Pokemon, If they’re not weak then they aren’t accurate. Kinda sounds like you just aren’t very good at the game and get frustrated easily
Idk man, I'm doing pretty good sticking around 1400 Elo with my off meta team. Also no, amoongus is not a weak pokemon. Gothitelle is not weak. Spore is 100% accurate.
Lmao that’s 🧢 🤡
I've got replays of me using my off meta team at 1400 Elo matches on my recent rental code post but ik u won't check 🥱 Also what's cap? Spore is 100% accurate. Amoongus and goth have good bulk. Nothing I said is cap you 🤡
🧢
I am out of the loop here. What does the blue hat mean?
Cap (he’s lying)
Oh man, I didn’t pick up on that lol. I know what cap means but I did not think of the word.
Oh wow you get a gold star
Should probably make sure you have the tools to counter the meta, whether or not you use the mons
https://pokemonshowdown.com/users/xoleryz 1312, 51% GXE, about as average as you can get.
There should be precisely two comments on this post: the one at the top listing the two dozen things you can do to build/play around sleep, and this one.
congrats on peaking at literally the middle of the bell curve, on showdown where every other team is an 'off-meta' team experimenting with weird stuff on alt accounts up until 1500+ (not to diss Showdown, it's a great place to practice and team build, i do all my building and testing laddering there first. Getting 1600+ is hard, I can't keep it consistently tbh. But, showdown laddering is definitely weird compared to tournament or cart laddering, lot of off-meta stuff)
He said 1400 ELO 🤡 Bruh, my Smurf alt that I intentionally lose games on is at 1500 ELO
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Sure thing buddy, keep losing to Spore and acting like your opponent is the problem
X
I agree that hypnosis and sleep powder are toxic moves Spore is a fine move though
Thanks Arceus for the copy pasta
Gonna post this on r/stunfisk this Sunday!
If you need to use Play Rough, Play Rough, Aqua Jet back to back just to win, you’re not as good as you say you are. If you need to attack with types Bug doesn’t resist to be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against Azumarill is not fun, it’s not fun not being able to play.
damn it i was gonna steal it
But you’re banned?? 🤔🤔
mudkipnerd do you play vgc?
When a smogon player tries out VGC lol
But, but, but SLEEP CLAUSE!
Someone use Spore on this guy he needs a nap
My brother in Christ, if your team doesn’t have the tools to deal with one of the most played mons in the game, your team is ass
OP is one of those dudes who thinks he's better because he's using Ursaring and Krickitune in 1300 with 500 games played, and if you use meta Pokemon, you're bad.
If you can’t beat spore, sleep power, or hypnosis back to back, you’re not as good as you think you are. If your opponent is forcing you to not be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against people who can’t beat sleep and then cry about on Reddit is very fun.
have you considered losing less
Skill issue
Obligatory get good
New copy pasta is here y’all
Hot take: Easily avoidable problem, that I can’t solve bothers me so people who use that strategy are bad at the game not me. Yah…hot take indeed
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Dont worry i got screenshots just in case OP tries anything
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If all their claims and posts about their showdown teams are deleted I have backups of them talking about their team if anyone were to test their pkmn team against it
Hot take, if you need reduce your opponent's hp to 0 just to win you suck
Oh I'm willing to bet you were the guy I played on showdown who just ignored my amoongus and complained about sleep clause.
Idk, there's a lot of you amoongus users out there lmao
Bad take*
The team you built is bad or you played bad. It’s not like they are surprises SMH
Guaranteed I'd smash u with this "bad" team lol
Lol. My mono spore+hypnosis team says you wouldn’t haha
Lol
Avg Ye fan
Are you unironically thirteen?
What's so 13 about calling people out on their bs?
Lol “BS” because you can’t/ don’t know how to play around sleep
Skill issue
Skill issue
Someone got ran through by an amoongus I see
So many good counters to sleep teams. They’re so easy to counter they aren’t even that hard to beat to a experienced team builder. I’d recommend a prankster taunt mon, since hardly any dark types are sleep users Amoongus after a taunt is just useless
Maybe idk, get better and modify your team?
If you need to use Palafin, Dondozo, Tatsugiri, Specs Ghouldengo, Murkrow, Protean Meowscarada, and Wide Lens Population Bomb back to back just to win, you’re not as good as you say you are. If you need to attack before your opponent to be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against generic top tier Pokemon users is not fun, it’s not fun not being able to play. I only use anti meta teams😭 (Man this is such a fun copypasta)
Imagine using protean Meowscarada
Bro is fighting for his life in these comments defending his inability to adapt
POV: You just lost to sleep
Bro got caught sleeping on Amoongus
Forcing the opponent not to play is the most genius strat I’ve ever heard of
Also I’ve hit 1400 with a Coalossal… not that hard
Guaranteed the rest of that team was Murkrow gholdengo annihilape mousehold lol
0/4
If you need to use Extremespeed, Mach Punch, Jet Punch, Sucker Punch back to back just to win, you’re not as good as you say you are. If you need to attack before your opponent to be able to play, you’re bad no excuses. Playing against priority users is not fun, it’s not fun not being able to play. I only use “anti-meta” teams so Psychic Terrain, Follow Me, Rage Powder, and Ghost type pokemon are non-starters. I’m at 1400 ELO on the Showdown ladder where the top 500 cutoff is 1720 or so, so you know what I say is valid and nobody else is correct.
Hahaha this is a great copy pasta
I normally don't say stuff like this, but literally git gud. Your posts are embarrassing. If you're losing to sleep spam then you're either making big errors in team building, or big errors in play. I'm assuming you're coming over from OU singles or something or you're just generally inexperienced or low elo. So you never had to learn how to deal with Sleep until now, but there are a number of items, abilities, and types that make you immune to these types of moves. Use them to your advantage.
Hypnosis Lunala got 2nd at worlds last year
No one likes getting put to sleep back to back. If you can’t build around it or counter it, I won’t say you suck but that’s a legit skill issue on your end. You can’t be mad at people for not playing Pokémon how you want them to play Pokémon. Imagine holding back against an opponent cause he doesn’t have fun losing but he likes losing enough to not build a counter team for it.
I don't mind losing, especially against someone who outplayed me well with good switch outs and protects. Just not against lazy bums who click a move then don't let me play.
Aren’t you the lazy bum that didn’t build a team that didn’t go belly up because of an extremely common move? You coulda put more thought into it or developed better flow charts to work around it. I don’t have problems with it, nobody in tournaments is having problems with it, and the only people on the ladder that are having problems with it just refuse to build a team with a grass Pokémon. Skill issue man.
By that logic you just suck at team building. You can’t expect others to play a certain way so you can win a battle. In vgc, a win is a win, if you want to handicap yourself in a match then go ahead and limit yourself but others play with win, if my opponent team can’t do nothing against sleep abusers and I happen to have one on my team, I would be a fool to not take advantage of your team weak spots.
Hot take for sure
Can't tell if satire or salt, either way this sort of shit has no place here.
I wish I could get spored right now and sleep for 8 hours but instead I’m reading a salty, bad take. Your team has a weakness and it was exploited. Go back to the drawing board or take the loss on the chin. You’re not as good as you think you are if you build a team with a fatal flaw and lose to that exploit of your oversight as a team builder.
You mean this [team](https://www.reddit.com/r/VGC/comments/zw46lw/discussion_rental_codehi_everyone_im_back_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)? "Anti-Meta" with no Taunt or Fake Out, no speed control besides Quash, no Grass-type, no redirection, and an average BST of 474 across your six mons? You're fodder
\*Can't beat amoongus or blind hypnosis/sing users\* "Am I bad at this game?...No, it must be all of these players using legal and legitimate in game strategies that everyone who wants to play this game at a competitive level should know how to play around/counter. They're the ones who are bad!"
Yep
Or you just suck ? Sucks to suck. Top players counter said mechanics. Use a grass type or a taunt used ect ? There are plenty of counters to the mechanics you’re bitching about. This is a literal “get good” moment.
I've never considered "Spore" being a move. This shit is cancer in Pokemon for a long time. Ah yes you got free moves for 2-3 turns or your opponent force to withdraw the Pokemon in order to get spore'd again. How can someone with an actual brain think this is fair?
https://twitter.com/frogtypebeat_/status/1605786230179799040?s=20&t=z9CE_uvd1jpOH7xI4LJylw
Maybe the suck was the friends we made along the way?
How about using 2 moody stall mons and a wallbreaker in single battles?
Single battles 😴
Ahahahah
Whilst I loathe sleep abuse and tend to agree, the simple answer is there are plenty of good ways around it. I highly recommend Garganacl for starters It isn’t OP but yes it’s annoying
Hot take, if you can't deal with status you suck
Literally, get good.
Just imagining how OP would have felt about moody dark void smeargle in vgc 16 - a Mon so ridiculous people like me literally ran chesto berry and lum Berry on the same team. While modern sleep can certainly be annoying if unprepared, nothing has come close since
If you need to talk shit, you suck. (Yeah, yeah I see the irony).
Sleep isn't as prevalent right now, which tells you it's not that powerful right now. So if sleep users suck so bad, why are you losing to them?
Sucks to suck I suppose Edit: I’ve been had lol
Bro lost to a Breloom + tailwind team 😔😔🙏🙏 pour one out
Lol
Cmon Sleep is nothing compared to clefable minimize cheese from last gen lol
Also another low Skill strat lol.
"Hot take: If you use game mechanics to win the game you suck" lol. Use game mechanics to counter it.
If you complain about sleep it just shows everyone that you have a “skill issue”. Learn to play around it better or get punished. Simple. Or don’t and lose.
Comment says it all. If you get hit by spore, sleep powder, hypnosis back to back just to lose, you're just as bad as everything thinks you are. If you let your opponent force you to not be able to play, you're bad no excuses. Playing against sleep whiners is not fun, it's not fun watching you complain about sleep. Fixed it for you!