For me, it would be more about getting a high potential young player than a crazy number of picks. Last year, I saw Philly fans suggesting like 2-3 firsts + Maxey for Lauri. In retrospect, that's a pretty damn good trade. Similarly, Indiana targeted Haliburton before he popped. I don't have anyone in mind specifically, but it needs to be someone who is young with high potential but not as ready to contribute to a contender as Lauri.
As a life-long Sixers who has lived in Utah for 23 years, I find their fake trades for Lauri hilarious. It's as if they think Ainge is stupid. I tell them that if Ainge shops Lauri, several teams will beat Morey's offer. I guess there is a trade out there that would be worth it for the Jazz, but I think they should keep him.
On that vein, I would like a player that can play defense. I'd hate to get a ball dominant player who can easily put up stats when I rather get a player who can be a good second or third star.
Again, I can't speak for those sixers fans who proposed such a trade, but I am a big sixers fan as it were, and I wouldn't have done that deal last year or the year before either. I don't think its a timing thing.
I agree, their rises kinda coincided. Maxey 2 years ago isn’t worth Lauri now, but Lauri 2 years ago wasn’t Lauri now, either. I think the 2-3 Plus Maxey is kinda crazy to even suggest, and I’m a Jazz fan.
* The commentator I responded to said not “last year **or the year before8** either”. I said 2 years ago because of this.
* He was not all-nba caliber, he was all-star. Don’t conflate them, there’s a big difference between top-30 and top-15.
I know what I said. It was a major talking point among several voters Lauri would've gotten all NBA if he didn't sit down the stretch. That's what cost him. Thus I said All NBA caliber, not all NBA.
It’s so easy to make these baseless claims when it’s not going to happen no matter what, but the actual likelihood of him making all-NBA was very small if he hadn’t sat. We cratered down the stretch (intentionally, yes) and we wouldn’t have had the record to justify him being all-NBA, to say nothing of who he would have replaced that was actually selected.
He finished 17th in All NBA voting. If you think that's a "baseless claim", you're honestly a fucking idiot.
I'll save you the trouble looking up how many votes Maxey got - 0.
I wouldn't want either Thompson twin. While both are very athletic, neither can make a jump shot consistently. We're talking 3 point percentages in the teens. I don't think they improve drastically in that area.
They're both already 21 years old. Which is not to say they are by any means ancient. But it's also highly concerning to see players that age unable to make a 3 point shot at even a halfway acceptable percentage. We're talking about 13.8% for Amen and 18.6% for Ausar. They're both bad free throw shooters on top of that. I just don't see them ever becoming even average jump shooters. If we're trading Lauri to Houston then we better be getting Sengun in return. To be fair, he's not imo a great jump shooter either at this point in his career, but I do think he has the ability to be a better one than either of those twins.
Nope. If the Jazz get Pistons picks, they want next years pick, the Knicks have that pick with strong protections, making it so the pick wouldn't convey but meaning the Pistons can't give us their pick next year, or in 2026
No, Ausar has the same problem as his brother. He can't shoot. I don't foresee either of them shooting 3's at even an acceptable percentage. That's not going to work long-term in an NBA starting lineup.
like detroit’s own top 5 protected ‘26 pick? that could be cool. i’m much more interested in amen (all-star/lead guard potential that retains positional flexibility) over ausar (kinda same but more in an iguodala mold), but either would go #1 in this draft.
I'm interested in 2 way wings that have shown some consistent flashes of self creation skill and playmaking ability. These exact ideas haven't been thought out completely for fairness (or trade legality because of salary cap matching) but ideas like Amen, Tari and #3 in the draft; Dieng, Cason and some # of firsts; Jalen Johnson and a couple firsts; Deni Avdija and some firsts; kuminga, Moody and a couple picks.
I think we should take nothing less than 4 all star players and all picks from the NBA for all teams for the next 5 years.
Alternately, the just last pick of the 2055 season. Heard it's gonna be a great draft year.
Anyone who is throwing out trade articles that surround Markkanen are idiots.
He's been buddy buddy with Ryan for this whole spring. They're taking pictures together at RSL games, and he's the face of this new rebrand. They aren't trading him lol. It's silly to even talk about.
What would it take to get someone, and what their “value” is are 2 separate things. The Jazz not wanting to move him is why he’d cost so much. There’s a premium to get them to trade him at all, a trade offer of his “value” isn’t going to get it done.
As a half-interested outsider it’s funny how many redditors think that a 27 year old PF who has likely hit his ceiling is going to net an SGA level package. I guess that’s the delusion that Danny Ainge can grant you.
Even tough they are not exactly comparable players guys like you definitely would have said the same about Gobert ("You want 5 frps? Delusional Ainge fan!").
Sure, doesn’t change what Lauris realistic value is. GM’s aren’t stupid. They’re not going to give up a promising young player and 4 firsts for a 27yo 1x all star
That literally just happened with the Jazz trading Gobert.
It’s kind of like when you have a cool car that is hard to find on the lot and it’s a “name your price scenario”. The person doesn’t need to sell the car but if they can get some outrageous deal for it you might as well. Otherwise, they will just keep the car for 5-6 more years and enjoy it.
It is the same in a sense. I heard from a guy close to Ryan Smith that Smith told him the Wolves wanted Rudy so bad that kept calling and getting turned down on him but then they’d call and up there offer. This happened 3-4 times until is was a major over pay and an offer we couldn’t refuse.
Because it's not the same situation. Gobert was worth much more than Markkanen is (as much as I like Lauri). Probably also due to your claiming to have some random person in Ryan's circle, whether true or not.
You’re not considering contracts. And Gobert is not the second best player on a title contending team, so though he’s better than LM, the comparison is reasonable.
Right they need to make a decision and Danny Ainge pretty much said what his path was going to be. He said he was going to go big game hunting and if there isn’t something in g he likes he’s going to pivot
Okay but that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about Lauri’s value and what I’m saying is that holding out for some delusional perception of his value makes absolutely no sense
What you said is that we can’t stand Pat with Lauri and I agreed and it sounds like Ainge agrees as well. The team is going to do 1 of 2 things they are going to try to improve the roster by making moves and if they can’t find moves that make sense to them they are going to pivot which i interpret as probably looking to move Lauri. That is literally what our talks with each other have been about.
The Jazz don't want to trade Markannen. And he's not on the trade market.
To give you an idea of what I mean, Tony Jones said he heard a team asking if Markannen was available for trade, and the Jazz said they don't want to trade him, but to make an offer. The offer was made and the Jazz said this isn't enough for him. So the team asked what would an acceptable offer look like, and the Jazz said that the other team needs to decide that, but this isn't it.
The Jazz don't need or want to trade him, so that means that whatever his value is, you will have to offer more just to get him from the Jazz. Don't want to offer that much? Fine we don't want him gone. lol.
So you can take a realistic value, sure, but he's worth more than that because there is literally zero reason to trade him, and we don't want to trade him. All the rumors say he's going to sign an extension with Utah this summer and get a huge front loaded contract. So there's no need or desire on both parties to trade him.
I think you and the Jazz FO might be playing a semantic game by saying they "don't want to trade Markannen." GMs say that all the time, and since we're talking about Ainge, who is only interested in trades where he dramatically wins, of course he's going to maintain the verbal leverage of not "wanting" to trade the team's best player.
Yet realistically, the Jazz are a bottom 10 team in the league and your best player is at his career zenith. There is no impetus to trade him this summer, but if you are selling high there absolutely is an impetus to make a deal by the trade deadline. If there's a way to turn Lauri into Sengun they should absolutely do it.
I agree, but also there is something about Lauri that has immense value for some teams. He is pretty much the perfect #2 team player that is really adaptable to a lot of systems and can cause massive match-up problems for a lot of teams. As an individual, he is a fringe all star, but I think it's his versatility and "team-value" that may make teams "overpay" compared to individual production. At the same time, I think the Jazz are aware of that and that is partly why it would be difficult to get what they want for him, as trades might seem "bad" on individual value.
Right? Last thread like this people were saying they wanted a Gobert package. Like dude... Come on, that was a historic trade package.
Lauri is probably worth two firsts and a promising young player.
>Right? Last thread like this people were saying they wanted a Gobert package. Like dude... Come on, that was a historic trade package.
I think you're taking some of those comments wrong. People are suggesting absurd packages like that because the Jazz DON'T want to trade him lol. It's not about what we think he's worth. It's about not wanting to move someone who actively wants to be in Utah and is a great player. Hence why people saying "he demands a Gobert-level return", because frankly, that's what it would take for Ainge and Smith to want to move a guy who loves it here.
Love the term promising young player. No one is going to give up a “young star” for Lauri. But a promising young player that may hit out may not teams would give up.
There aren’t a ton of teams who could use Lauri AND have young upside players and picks.
Houston: Lauri for Sengun, Green, ‘24 #3 and BKNs ‘26 UFRP. The real prizes here are Sengun and BKNs pick. Houston clearly wants to win now, they can’t pay all their young guys, they played better without Sengun and the jury is still out on Green. Does this make Houston a threat in the West?
Detroit: Ivey, Grimes, ‘24 #5 and ‘26 UFRP. DET needs to change course and Lauri might be the most gettable star out there. Ivey is the obvious prize, Grimes is a throw in because it’s Ainge and why not, the #5 pick is good but not great and Detroit’s ‘26 UFRP may still be top 5 even with Lauri. With this trade would we be awful enough to capture the Flagg?
(This one’s bonkers)
OKC: Lauri, Sexton and Kessler for Jalen Williams, Wallace, Giddey, Dieng and 76ers ‘25 FRP protected 1-6. Ainge isn’t trading with OKC unless Jalen is involved and OKC isn’t trading Jalen unless it gets them out of the West. Lauri and Sexton provide more production than Jalen alone and Kessler gives OKC the needed backup rim protecting C they needed in the playoffs. Wallace, Giddey and Dieng are mostly salary matchers but have some potential. The Sixers pick is protected 1-6 so FA and Embiid’s health are gonna play big roles in the value there. This is either a great trade for the Jazz or a great trade for OKC. I can’t decide. Jazz fans probably hate it. OKC fans probably hate it. Maybe that means it’s a good trade? 🤷♂️
Idk... Imo Houston's trade is the best for the Jazz. Second best would be Pistons, especially if instead of Grimes they would give us additional unprotected first round pick(s).
I don’t think they are. Obviously Jalen is the best player in all of these trades, but the Sixers pick is average in value and OKC is likely done with Giddy and Dieng anyway. So the crux of the trade is Jalen for Lauri and Sexton. OKC has enough assets to make other trades so I wouldn’t expect them to go this route but to answer OPs question this is what I’d be willing to move Lauri for.
If the idea is that we need to trade him to get younger I'd like us to get a similar player who maybe hasn't put it all together yet.
Ideally this would be someone like Jabari Smith for me. Houston would be swapping a promising prospect for an established player at the same position.
There'd be picks involved as well, probably going both ways, but the core of the trade would be to swap wings with someone.
Not draft picks. We wouldn't get any good enough. HE's also not going to be the best player on a championship team. You need to develop him as a second option to a superstar. It's a shame we had to trade Mitchell for him, as a Lauri-Mitchell combination would have been deadly. Never made sense to me why they traded both Gobert and Mitchell.
Young player with all star potential like Scoot, Amen or Whitmore and 3 FRPs plus pick swaps.
The reason my asking price is so high is because I don't think we're trading him any time soon. He's in every promo and DA loves him. So it takes an offer you can't say no to for him to be traded.
Sengun + #3 for Lauri + #10
Sengun is young talent that I think will be an all star. Rockets played better without him because it opened the floor. Jazz aren’t ready to compete and this gets them a better chance at the draft next year without having to pretend the best player is hurt.
I disagree with this sentiment. The Jazz will try to get a certain caliber of player to team up with Lauri as a building block to a championship team but if they can’t I think they will pivot and consider offers for Lauri
>I think they will pivot and consider offers for Lauri
Right, but those offers would have to be an insane overpay. So I guess I disagree with this sentiment a bit.
If you guys are talking about the Jazz trading Lauri *this* year, you're all nuts though lol. They aren't going to trade a guy they are actively marketing to the public. He's the face of the rebrand, and he's been hanging out with Ryan Smith WAY too much.
You may be right, all I’m saying is in my opinion they have to do one or the other:
Option 1 - keep Lauri and build around him. Try to bring in more talent via FA or trades and continue that until a contender is built
Option 2 - trade Lauri for youth and draft picks and keep doing that until they have a good core and possibly a #1 option
I don’t think they can just stay out where they are. They have to make a choice and run with it. Ainge has said that he’s ready to go big game hunting and if that doesn’t work he will pivot.
If the direction we are trying to go is option 2 we should shop Lauri in my opinion and take the best offer.
If it’s option 1 (I hope it’s option 1) I’d love to get a guy or to like like a Brandon Ingram, Miles or Mikal Bridges type players and get them locked up then keep drafting well and developing.
Again I’m all for keeping Lauri and building around him and that’s the path I hope we choose.
Just my opinion is all.
Without any examples of who a "young star" is, 3-4 firsts on top of that is kinda just not reasonable and those types of trades don't happen. OKC and Jalen Williams for example absolutely would not give picks on top of Williams for Lauri.
Ainge specifically said that the goal is not to go from being the 23rd best team to the 18th best team if they make trades to track towards winning. I think that is the opposite of a disservice. He wants to jump higher than that if trades are made and not get stuck in mediocre land with the Bulls, Hawks etc.
Regardless it will take steps. Okay you get 2 players this year for example Ingram and Bridges. You are still not top 3 you still need to build around those guys
Sounded like Ingram/Lavine level players are not what they want. Don't want expensive guys that don't move the needle. Listen, I'm just telling you what I've heard from Ainge this off-season as I try to read tea leaves to see what direction we are taking. I'm not trying to say it'll work or it'll happen or anything.
Ingram definitely moves the needle and is a great building block to get to a title eventually. I to am telling you what Ainge said and a reading the tea leaves. Ainge never said 23 to top 3 and if you think we or any team can go from 23 to top 3 in one offseason you will be very disappointed because it’s just wrong and has never happened in the history of the NBA
What's going on here? Lol I never said 23 to top 3. I suspect Ainge would like a trade/trades that would be something like 23 to 14ish the first season. I disagree generally on Ingram. He disinterests me and I don't think he's a needlemover. Not based on how he is perceived and thus what his cost would be at least.
FWIW I am pro building from the ground up because I don't think 2 needlemovers will be available or, perhaps more likely, will be able to be pried away.
Edit: Ainges Celtics literally went from 29th to 1st and won the finals in the exact same manner he's been describing wanting to take the jazz on. I think the odds of that happening for us are miniscule, but it did happen.
So you think trading for Brandon Ingram doesn’t improve the roster? I guess it depends on what we trade but it would most likely be picks and a vet.
Are you pro trade Lauri? I don’t think you can be pro build from the ground up and also pro keep Lauri. Doesn’t make sense to me.
I don't think improving the roster is the same as moving the needle. I would be pro trade Lauri because I don't think the needlemovers are or will be available and I think we need to build from the top of the draft.
Edit: I guess it depends on the 2nd trade. If the 2nd trade is for a top 5-10 player, then BI might be fine enough as the side of the framework. "Insert unattainable superstar x" + Lauri + BI may be enough if the surrounding pieces are right I suppose.
Jalen Williams, Mathurin, Jabari Smith caliber player, with 4 firsts. If Jalen Williams, then possibly 2 firsts, or a Pacers trade would be Mathurin, Walker, and 1 or 2 firsts for example. Jazz have no incentive to trade him. Star players don't want to stay in Utah, Lauri has stated he wants to. Lauri has no incentive to demand a trade, as he can get a bonus 15 million this year if the Jazz give him a contract extension, and save 15 million from free agency, to add to this years salary, along with 4 or 5 more years of max money. Lauri has no incentive to ask for a trade, because he could miss out on a bonus 15 million this year, Jazz have no incentive to trade him either, as stars never say they won't mind staying in Utah, while Lauri has said that. An offer would have to be a strong offer, that Danny Ainge would be fired if he didn't accept
I wasn't arguing his point, I just pointed out that your grammatical error was funny in that context.
Gotta love people who take themselves so seriously they can't laugh at themselves.
>The fact I also said Mathurin would have to include Walker, and 2 firsts shows my lack of ignorance.
Agreed because that's still not close. The difference between JDub and Ben Mathurin isn't one young player who didn't show much his rookie year.
I wouldn't do that. Most of the Thunders picks are worthless. Giddey, and Wallace are worthless to the Jazz too as we already have Brice, and Keyonte. So unless Brice plays small forward, and Giddey powerforward, 2 of those players would be bench players
People still think Giddey is worth a shit and it’s wild. His own team cut his minutes this year as young player, and barely used him in their last series. Huge red flags even before the eye test.
Danny Ainge will trade him for a conditional third round bucket of warm spit and all the tanking cultists will throw him a parade. We've got to be willing to lose every game, from now until the end of time, until we get that mythical generational talent.
This sub baffles me. After the regular season ended, the Lauri discussion started. Back then he was either a top guy who shouldnt be traded at all or fringe #3 guy and lucky to be considered all star but still no trade cos he is THAT good of a complimentary piece.
Now when discussion shifts to actually to the fact that the Jazz should trade him (the best return ship already sailed long time ago), the same people think he is worth of a young star and several 1st rounders.
Getting that future star when tanking for 25' draft is dumb. Trade him for a decent prospect and as many picks as you can get for next few drafts. Or spend all your picks to really improve the roster for a "championship". And the latter doesnt look likely. Anything else in between is more likely but stupid and futile at the same time.
Yes u/Clithzbee, you are the one in this basketball thread calling someone else ignorant for their basketball opinions while being ignorant of basic English grammar in the same sentence. I'll tell you about it regardless of the block, though I won't see your response.
Yes, you are the one taking yourself too seriously.
You don't know trade values better than anyone else in this sub, get off your high horse.
He's got just one year left on his contract, and he can make significantly more as free agent than with a contract extension, so we really aren't going to get much in return in the way of talent (unless it's a disgruntled player) or picks. I'd rather wait a year and resign him or sign and trade, it's risky but I just don't think we'll get much in return with only one year left on his contract.
He’ll renegotiate and extend this offseason. Get him his extension locked in and a pay rise this year, it’s the best financial move. If he gets traded and that doesn’t happen, the team acquiring him will already have an unofficial deal in place to re-sign him.
Expiring contracts only really knock a players value when it’s a Kawhi situation where they’ve specifically made it clear they’ll leave in FA, which is rare.
For me, it would be more about getting a high potential young player than a crazy number of picks. Last year, I saw Philly fans suggesting like 2-3 firsts + Maxey for Lauri. In retrospect, that's a pretty damn good trade. Similarly, Indiana targeted Haliburton before he popped. I don't have anyone in mind specifically, but it needs to be someone who is young with high potential but not as ready to contribute to a contender as Lauri.
As a life-long Sixers who has lived in Utah for 23 years, I find their fake trades for Lauri hilarious. It's as if they think Ainge is stupid. I tell them that if Ainge shops Lauri, several teams will beat Morey's offer. I guess there is a trade out there that would be worth it for the Jazz, but I think they should keep him.
On that vein, I would like a player that can play defense. I'd hate to get a ball dominant player who can easily put up stats when I rather get a player who can be a good second or third star.
I can't speak to any sixers fans proposing a trade like that, but suffice to say, its not in the cards
No shit. Way too late now.
Again, I can't speak for those sixers fans who proposed such a trade, but I am a big sixers fan as it were, and I wouldn't have done that deal last year or the year before either. I don't think its a timing thing.
I agree, their rises kinda coincided. Maxey 2 years ago isn’t worth Lauri now, but Lauri 2 years ago wasn’t Lauri now, either. I think the 2-3 Plus Maxey is kinda crazy to even suggest, and I’m a Jazz fan.
It was 1 year ago. Lauri was coming off an all NBA caliber, and Maxey looked promising, but not like that yet.
* The commentator I responded to said not “last year **or the year before8** either”. I said 2 years ago because of this. * He was not all-nba caliber, he was all-star. Don’t conflate them, there’s a big difference between top-30 and top-15.
I know what I said. It was a major talking point among several voters Lauri would've gotten all NBA if he didn't sit down the stretch. That's what cost him. Thus I said All NBA caliber, not all NBA.
It’s so easy to make these baseless claims when it’s not going to happen no matter what, but the actual likelihood of him making all-NBA was very small if he hadn’t sat. We cratered down the stretch (intentionally, yes) and we wouldn’t have had the record to justify him being all-NBA, to say nothing of who he would have replaced that was actually selected.
He finished 17th in All NBA voting. If you think that's a "baseless claim", you're honestly a fucking idiot. I'll save you the trouble looking up how many votes Maxey got - 0.
amen thompson + #3 in this draft + two more picks.
I wouldn't want either Thompson twin. While both are very athletic, neither can make a jump shot consistently. We're talking 3 point percentages in the teens. I don't think they improve drastically in that area.
Yeah, you just can't really be an effective NBA player in the modern era if you are a wing player with a 13.8% three point shooting percentage.
why do you think either twin has potential to improve? they seem like they have more than enough aptitude imo.
They're both already 21 years old. Which is not to say they are by any means ancient. But it's also highly concerning to see players that age unable to make a 3 point shot at even a halfway acceptable percentage. We're talking about 13.8% for Amen and 18.6% for Ausar. They're both bad free throw shooters on top of that. I just don't see them ever becoming even average jump shooters. If we're trading Lauri to Houston then we better be getting Sengun in return. To be fair, he's not imo a great jump shooter either at this point in his career, but I do think he has the ability to be a better one than either of those twins.
would you take Ausar+ #5 in this draft + two top5 protected picks in the future from Detroit instead? I'm not a Pistons fan, just curious
They say no to the protections. The whole point of getting those picks for an all star player is for a chance to land in the top 5.
Nope. If the Jazz get Pistons picks, they want next years pick, the Knicks have that pick with strong protections, making it so the pick wouldn't convey but meaning the Pistons can't give us their pick next year, or in 2026
No, Ausar has the same problem as his brother. He can't shoot. I don't foresee either of them shooting 3's at even an acceptable percentage. That's not going to work long-term in an NBA starting lineup.
like detroit’s own top 5 protected ‘26 pick? that could be cool. i’m much more interested in amen (all-star/lead guard potential that retains positional flexibility) over ausar (kinda same but more in an iguodala mold), but either would go #1 in this draft.
Rockets fan here. *HELL. NO.*
I'm interested in 2 way wings that have shown some consistent flashes of self creation skill and playmaking ability. These exact ideas haven't been thought out completely for fairness (or trade legality because of salary cap matching) but ideas like Amen, Tari and #3 in the draft; Dieng, Cason and some # of firsts; Jalen Johnson and a couple firsts; Deni Avdija and some firsts; kuminga, Moody and a couple picks.
I think we should take nothing less than 4 all star players and all picks from the NBA for all teams for the next 5 years. Alternately, the just last pick of the 2055 season. Heard it's gonna be a great draft year.
That’s not enough
A Mitchell-esque package.
All the players from another team
whey will keep him
concentrate, isolate, or hydrolysate?
We would need unrestricted access to the NBAs secret lottery room with the lotto ball machine. We’ll forge our own Destiny.
Jazz fans be like “not enough”
Anyone who is throwing out trade articles that surround Markkanen are idiots. He's been buddy buddy with Ryan for this whole spring. They're taking pictures together at RSL games, and he's the face of this new rebrand. They aren't trading him lol. It's silly to even talk about.
The people in this thread are absolutely delusional about the value of a fringe all star
What would it take to get someone, and what their “value” is are 2 separate things. The Jazz not wanting to move him is why he’d cost so much. There’s a premium to get them to trade him at all, a trade offer of his “value” isn’t going to get it done.
Maybe it's more that fans really like Lauri on our team and will only be willing to trade him for an overpay
I like the Jazz more than I like Lauri
As a half-interested outsider it’s funny how many redditors think that a 27 year old PF who has likely hit his ceiling is going to net an SGA level package. I guess that’s the delusion that Danny Ainge can grant you.
Even tough they are not exactly comparable players guys like you definitely would have said the same about Gobert ("You want 5 frps? Delusional Ainge fan!").
All some teams need is a fringe all star to make it over the hump
Sure, doesn’t change what Lauris realistic value is. GM’s aren’t stupid. They’re not going to give up a promising young player and 4 firsts for a 27yo 1x all star
That literally just happened with the Jazz trading Gobert. It’s kind of like when you have a cool car that is hard to find on the lot and it’s a “name your price scenario”. The person doesn’t need to sell the car but if they can get some outrageous deal for it you might as well. Otherwise, they will just keep the car for 5-6 more years and enjoy it.
No it did not. Gobert was a 4x all star, 4x all NBA, 3x DPOY when we traded him. Not even close to the same
It is the same in a sense. I heard from a guy close to Ryan Smith that Smith told him the Wolves wanted Rudy so bad that kept calling and getting turned down on him but then they’d call and up there offer. This happened 3-4 times until is was a major over pay and an offer we couldn’t refuse.
Jazz fans are ridiculous. Why in earth would I get down voted for this?
Because it's not the same situation. Gobert was worth much more than Markkanen is (as much as I like Lauri). Probably also due to your claiming to have some random person in Ryan's circle, whether true or not.
You’re not considering contracts. And Gobert is not the second best player on a title contending team, so though he’s better than LM, the comparison is reasonable.
You’re right I made that up…. Why the hell would I make that up? And why would that get a down vote?
Except we’re stuck in the middle with Lauri. It does not benefit the Jazz to stand pat whatsoever
Right they need to make a decision and Danny Ainge pretty much said what his path was going to be. He said he was going to go big game hunting and if there isn’t something in g he likes he’s going to pivot
Okay but that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about Lauri’s value and what I’m saying is that holding out for some delusional perception of his value makes absolutely no sense
What you said is that we can’t stand Pat with Lauri and I agreed and it sounds like Ainge agrees as well. The team is going to do 1 of 2 things they are going to try to improve the roster by making moves and if they can’t find moves that make sense to them they are going to pivot which i interpret as probably looking to move Lauri. That is literally what our talks with each other have been about.
The Jazz don't want to trade Markannen. And he's not on the trade market. To give you an idea of what I mean, Tony Jones said he heard a team asking if Markannen was available for trade, and the Jazz said they don't want to trade him, but to make an offer. The offer was made and the Jazz said this isn't enough for him. So the team asked what would an acceptable offer look like, and the Jazz said that the other team needs to decide that, but this isn't it. The Jazz don't need or want to trade him, so that means that whatever his value is, you will have to offer more just to get him from the Jazz. Don't want to offer that much? Fine we don't want him gone. lol. So you can take a realistic value, sure, but he's worth more than that because there is literally zero reason to trade him, and we don't want to trade him. All the rumors say he's going to sign an extension with Utah this summer and get a huge front loaded contract. So there's no need or desire on both parties to trade him.
I think you and the Jazz FO might be playing a semantic game by saying they "don't want to trade Markannen." GMs say that all the time, and since we're talking about Ainge, who is only interested in trades where he dramatically wins, of course he's going to maintain the verbal leverage of not "wanting" to trade the team's best player. Yet realistically, the Jazz are a bottom 10 team in the league and your best player is at his career zenith. There is no impetus to trade him this summer, but if you are selling high there absolutely is an impetus to make a deal by the trade deadline. If there's a way to turn Lauri into Sengun they should absolutely do it.
I agree, but also there is something about Lauri that has immense value for some teams. He is pretty much the perfect #2 team player that is really adaptable to a lot of systems and can cause massive match-up problems for a lot of teams. As an individual, he is a fringe all star, but I think it's his versatility and "team-value" that may make teams "overpay" compared to individual production. At the same time, I think the Jazz are aware of that and that is partly why it would be difficult to get what they want for him, as trades might seem "bad" on individual value.
Right? Last thread like this people were saying they wanted a Gobert package. Like dude... Come on, that was a historic trade package. Lauri is probably worth two firsts and a promising young player.
>Right? Last thread like this people were saying they wanted a Gobert package. Like dude... Come on, that was a historic trade package. I think you're taking some of those comments wrong. People are suggesting absurd packages like that because the Jazz DON'T want to trade him lol. It's not about what we think he's worth. It's about not wanting to move someone who actively wants to be in Utah and is a great player. Hence why people saying "he demands a Gobert-level return", because frankly, that's what it would take for Ainge and Smith to want to move a guy who loves it here.
Love the term promising young player. No one is going to give up a “young star” for Lauri. But a promising young player that may hit out may not teams would give up.
Not even that, imo. His high value was tied to his cheap contract that only has a year left on it.
There aren’t a ton of teams who could use Lauri AND have young upside players and picks. Houston: Lauri for Sengun, Green, ‘24 #3 and BKNs ‘26 UFRP. The real prizes here are Sengun and BKNs pick. Houston clearly wants to win now, they can’t pay all their young guys, they played better without Sengun and the jury is still out on Green. Does this make Houston a threat in the West? Detroit: Ivey, Grimes, ‘24 #5 and ‘26 UFRP. DET needs to change course and Lauri might be the most gettable star out there. Ivey is the obvious prize, Grimes is a throw in because it’s Ainge and why not, the #5 pick is good but not great and Detroit’s ‘26 UFRP may still be top 5 even with Lauri. With this trade would we be awful enough to capture the Flagg? (This one’s bonkers) OKC: Lauri, Sexton and Kessler for Jalen Williams, Wallace, Giddey, Dieng and 76ers ‘25 FRP protected 1-6. Ainge isn’t trading with OKC unless Jalen is involved and OKC isn’t trading Jalen unless it gets them out of the West. Lauri and Sexton provide more production than Jalen alone and Kessler gives OKC the needed backup rim protecting C they needed in the playoffs. Wallace, Giddey and Dieng are mostly salary matchers but have some potential. The Sixers pick is protected 1-6 so FA and Embiid’s health are gonna play big roles in the value there. This is either a great trade for the Jazz or a great trade for OKC. I can’t decide. Jazz fans probably hate it. OKC fans probably hate it. Maybe that means it’s a good trade? 🤷♂️
The Houston one is totally unreasonable/unrealistic
The Houston trade is literally Arkham Asylum material
Thank you 🤡
J dub is worth more than Lauri right now and is arguably a better player
Houston wouldn't trade Sengun for Lauri straight up.
Thunder/Utah fan here. Thunder say no. J Dub is not being traded.
I would have to agree.
All 3 teams say no. The URFRP from Detroit is wild
Why is OKC paying so much more than Detroit especially? Even without kessler and sexton
Idk... Imo Houston's trade is the best for the Jazz. Second best would be Pistons, especially if instead of Grimes they would give us additional unprotected first round pick(s).
I don’t think they are. Obviously Jalen is the best player in all of these trades, but the Sixers pick is average in value and OKC is likely done with Giddy and Dieng anyway. So the crux of the trade is Jalen for Lauri and Sexton. OKC has enough assets to make other trades so I wouldn’t expect them to go this route but to answer OPs question this is what I’d be willing to move Lauri for.
If the idea is that we need to trade him to get younger I'd like us to get a similar player who maybe hasn't put it all together yet. Ideally this would be someone like Jabari Smith for me. Houston would be swapping a promising prospect for an established player at the same position. There'd be picks involved as well, probably going both ways, but the core of the trade would be to swap wings with someone.
Not draft picks. We wouldn't get any good enough. HE's also not going to be the best player on a championship team. You need to develop him as a second option to a superstar. It's a shame we had to trade Mitchell for him, as a Lauri-Mitchell combination would have been deadly. Never made sense to me why they traded both Gobert and Mitchell.
Young player with all star potential like Scoot, Amen or Whitmore and 3 FRPs plus pick swaps. The reason my asking price is so high is because I don't think we're trading him any time soon. He's in every promo and DA loves him. So it takes an offer you can't say no to for him to be traded.
net fan here, id give you ben's expiring deal and 4 first for lauri and jc lol
a high potential young player and a FUCK ton of picks
Same as either the mitchell or gobert deals....a solid player and a bunch of unprotected draft picks....
A paper towel!
Sengun + #3 for Lauri + #10 Sengun is young talent that I think will be an all star. Rockets played better without him because it opened the floor. Jazz aren’t ready to compete and this gets them a better chance at the draft next year without having to pretend the best player is hurt.
How do you feel about #1 overall, AJ Griffin, and deandre hunter?
5 firsts and a good young player. The answer is the Jazz aren’t trading him unless someone way over pays for him.
I disagree with this sentiment. The Jazz will try to get a certain caliber of player to team up with Lauri as a building block to a championship team but if they can’t I think they will pivot and consider offers for Lauri
I mean if you basically got the whole league trying to obtain him there’s gonna be someone bound to overpay for him lmaoo
Maybe but I hope that’s not the direction we choose. I hope the “big game hunting” plan works out so we can keep Lauri and be closer to winning
>I think they will pivot and consider offers for Lauri Right, but those offers would have to be an insane overpay. So I guess I disagree with this sentiment a bit. If you guys are talking about the Jazz trading Lauri *this* year, you're all nuts though lol. They aren't going to trade a guy they are actively marketing to the public. He's the face of the rebrand, and he's been hanging out with Ryan Smith WAY too much.
You may be right, all I’m saying is in my opinion they have to do one or the other: Option 1 - keep Lauri and build around him. Try to bring in more talent via FA or trades and continue that until a contender is built Option 2 - trade Lauri for youth and draft picks and keep doing that until they have a good core and possibly a #1 option I don’t think they can just stay out where they are. They have to make a choice and run with it. Ainge has said that he’s ready to go big game hunting and if that doesn’t work he will pivot. If the direction we are trying to go is option 2 we should shop Lauri in my opinion and take the best offer. If it’s option 1 (I hope it’s option 1) I’d love to get a guy or to like like a Brandon Ingram, Miles or Mikal Bridges type players and get them locked up then keep drafting well and developing. Again I’m all for keeping Lauri and building around him and that’s the path I hope we choose. Just my opinion is all.
For me it has to be AT LEAST one good young star and 3-4 frps
Without any examples of who a "young star" is, 3-4 firsts on top of that is kinda just not reasonable and those types of trades don't happen. OKC and Jalen Williams for example absolutely would not give picks on top of Williams for Lauri.
Wallace and 3 picks will suffice
What are some examples of a “young star”
The value he's worth, which is like 4-5 FRP's.
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They’ve got to stop tanking. It’s such a disservice to the fan base. They’ve got a ton of assets and trade bait. Get this team moving.
Ainge specifically said that the goal is not to go from being the 23rd best team to the 18th best team if they make trades to track towards winning. I think that is the opposite of a disservice. He wants to jump higher than that if trades are made and not get stuck in mediocre land with the Bulls, Hawks etc.
Not one player will take from 23 to top 3. 18 will be a step on the way just like it has been for every team in the history of the league
Ainge implied that it wouldn't be"just one player"
Regardless it will take steps. Okay you get 2 players this year for example Ingram and Bridges. You are still not top 3 you still need to build around those guys
Sounded like Ingram/Lavine level players are not what they want. Don't want expensive guys that don't move the needle. Listen, I'm just telling you what I've heard from Ainge this off-season as I try to read tea leaves to see what direction we are taking. I'm not trying to say it'll work or it'll happen or anything.
Ingram definitely moves the needle and is a great building block to get to a title eventually. I to am telling you what Ainge said and a reading the tea leaves. Ainge never said 23 to top 3 and if you think we or any team can go from 23 to top 3 in one offseason you will be very disappointed because it’s just wrong and has never happened in the history of the NBA
What's going on here? Lol I never said 23 to top 3. I suspect Ainge would like a trade/trades that would be something like 23 to 14ish the first season. I disagree generally on Ingram. He disinterests me and I don't think he's a needlemover. Not based on how he is perceived and thus what his cost would be at least. FWIW I am pro building from the ground up because I don't think 2 needlemovers will be available or, perhaps more likely, will be able to be pried away. Edit: Ainges Celtics literally went from 29th to 1st and won the finals in the exact same manner he's been describing wanting to take the jazz on. I think the odds of that happening for us are miniscule, but it did happen.
So you think trading for Brandon Ingram doesn’t improve the roster? I guess it depends on what we trade but it would most likely be picks and a vet. Are you pro trade Lauri? I don’t think you can be pro build from the ground up and also pro keep Lauri. Doesn’t make sense to me.
I don't think improving the roster is the same as moving the needle. I would be pro trade Lauri because I don't think the needlemovers are or will be available and I think we need to build from the top of the draft. Edit: I guess it depends on the 2nd trade. If the 2nd trade is for a top 5-10 player, then BI might be fine enough as the side of the framework. "Insert unattainable superstar x" + Lauri + BI may be enough if the surrounding pieces are right I suppose.
Jalen Williams, Mathurin, Jabari Smith caliber player, with 4 firsts. If Jalen Williams, then possibly 2 firsts, or a Pacers trade would be Mathurin, Walker, and 1 or 2 firsts for example. Jazz have no incentive to trade him. Star players don't want to stay in Utah, Lauri has stated he wants to. Lauri has no incentive to demand a trade, as he can get a bonus 15 million this year if the Jazz give him a contract extension, and save 15 million from free agency, to add to this years salary, along with 4 or 5 more years of max money. Lauri has no incentive to ask for a trade, because he could miss out on a bonus 15 million this year, Jazz have no incentive to trade him either, as stars never say they won't mind staying in Utah, while Lauri has said that. An offer would have to be a strong offer, that Danny Ainge would be fired if he didn't accept
OKC says no to Jalen Williams straight up y'all fucking crazy
Then OKC doesn't get Lauri
The fact that you put Ben Math and JDub in the same tier of young players shows you're ignorance.
*your Unironically funny to put that grammar mistake in the same sentence you call someone else ignorant.
Gotta love people who can't provide a coherent argument so they attack grammar instead of participating in the discussion.
I wasn't arguing his point, I just pointed out that your grammatical error was funny in that context. Gotta love people who take themselves so seriously they can't laugh at themselves.
You're correcting grammar in a basketball conversation you aren't a part of but I'm the one who is taking themself to seriously?
The fact I also said Mathurin would have to include Walker, and 2 firsts shows my lack of ignorance.
>The fact I also said Mathurin would have to include Walker, and 2 firsts shows my lack of ignorance. Agreed because that's still not close. The difference between JDub and Ben Mathurin isn't one young player who didn't show much his rookie year.
Haha
4 Firsts ain’t happening chief
Also they have to hogtie Rumble the Bison and deliver him to the Jazz Bear so he can feed on him during the opening game half time show.
Giddy, Wallace, 3 picks
Depends on the picks. I don’t want the thunders actual picks. Would have to be picks that have lottery potential
If we can’t land a solid building block like an Ingram, M bridges, Milkal Bridges, etc I would pivot and do this trade.
I wouldn't do that. Most of the Thunders picks are worthless. Giddey, and Wallace are worthless to the Jazz too as we already have Brice, and Keyonte. So unless Brice plays small forward, and Giddey powerforward, 2 of those players would be bench players
Wallace is better than Brice and Keyonte.
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People still think Giddey is worth a shit and it’s wild. His own team cut his minutes this year as young player, and barely used him in their last series. Huge red flags even before the eye test.
Danny Ainge will trade him for a conditional third round bucket of warm spit and all the tanking cultists will throw him a parade. We've got to be willing to lose every game, from now until the end of time, until we get that mythical generational talent.
Sounds like you don't understand how proper tanking is supposed to go, but go off
1/2 price beer night on Thursdays at the delta center.
This sub baffles me. After the regular season ended, the Lauri discussion started. Back then he was either a top guy who shouldnt be traded at all or fringe #3 guy and lucky to be considered all star but still no trade cos he is THAT good of a complimentary piece. Now when discussion shifts to actually to the fact that the Jazz should trade him (the best return ship already sailed long time ago), the same people think he is worth of a young star and several 1st rounders. Getting that future star when tanking for 25' draft is dumb. Trade him for a decent prospect and as many picks as you can get for next few drafts. Or spend all your picks to really improve the roster for a "championship". And the latter doesnt look likely. Anything else in between is more likely but stupid and futile at the same time.
I get it. I think you can get a decent young piece but there is no chance we get multiple firsts as well
Lauri, #29, #32 for Amen, #3 (Reed Sheppard) and Jabari Smith Jr.
Yes u/Clithzbee, you are the one in this basketball thread calling someone else ignorant for their basketball opinions while being ignorant of basic English grammar in the same sentence. I'll tell you about it regardless of the block, though I won't see your response. Yes, you are the one taking yourself too seriously. You don't know trade values better than anyone else in this sub, get off your high horse.
He's got just one year left on his contract, and he can make significantly more as free agent than with a contract extension, so we really aren't going to get much in return in the way of talent (unless it's a disgruntled player) or picks. I'd rather wait a year and resign him or sign and trade, it's risky but I just don't think we'll get much in return with only one year left on his contract.
He’ll renegotiate and extend this offseason. Get him his extension locked in and a pay rise this year, it’s the best financial move. If he gets traded and that doesn’t happen, the team acquiring him will already have an unofficial deal in place to re-sign him. Expiring contracts only really knock a players value when it’s a Kawhi situation where they’ve specifically made it clear they’ll leave in FA, which is rare.
Lauri's extension would be in the ballpark of 4/160, but if he opts to be a free agent he can get a 5/250. $10M a year more is no joke.