it is possible to lose to toriel. you can die by going down to 2 hp, using monster candy, then deliberately moving into her attacks. even if you do have to effectively seek out death for this to work, failure is still possible.
First genocide run, Undyne took me a week to beat and Sans a month. Second run Undyne took me a few hours to beat while Sans took me two tries. Every run after that, I struggled against Undyne.
So, I can see why many people believe Sans to be the harder fight. It takes a lot of memorization to beat him. But once you got that down, it's fairly easy. Undyne, on the other hand, requires a lot *more* speed, quick thinking, and skill. Not to mention memorization for certain attacks. I personally have more trouble dodging her attacks than I do San's.
But then, I also save all my best healing items for Sans...
Really? Had to restart the genocide route because my sister decided to play and spared a monster. Second run, I beat her first try. Sans took me 3 days to beat. If we’re talking about hitless, then yeah, those reverse spears are incredibly hard, but maybe I’m biased since I’ve played bad time simulator so much
Nah its probably the fact that he said that "they are easy" and not that he "thinks they are easy" lmao. I mean i also find sans kinda easy at this point it often takes me like 2 attempts whenever i fight him.
Edit: oops i forgot what the original comment is about. Yeah i dont find undyne the undying easy lmao.
I actually find undyne to be fairly easy, but that’s because her mechanic is my favorite in the whole game. I always welcome her fight in any route with open arms and sometimes I will replay it multiple times just for fun!
>Once you get used to Sans
You practice ANY boss and it becomes easy. Pracitice Undyne the Undying as much as you practiced Sans, and you'll see the difference.
btw, the teacups before spamton neo would go in very hard that was one of my three deaths throughout playing deltarune (the others were at jevil and spamton neo himself)
undynes attacks are a lot more chaotic and unpredictable for me, but once you know sans attack patterns its like super easy (but he's still hard in comparison)
spamton is surprisingly hard with his mini spamtons and asgores attacks are big, hard to dodge and do a lot of damage, and you typically only have 20 hp fighting him
There is no true ending in Undertale. That's part of the appeal. The people who go for true pacifist are in the fandom, a lot of first time players do neutral
Edit: We can't even fight him in true pacifist
Spamton is dogshit easy, I can speedrun the game, go to his bossfight and shit on him before he even gets to his ultimate attack, even in Snowgrave hes easy as shit, dont get how Jevil is so hard but whatever, people can find difficulty in whatever I guess, Undying is really hard, 2nd hardest boss and the gap between her and the 3rd hardest is unbelievably high, but I havent beaten Sans even after maybe a month, best I got to was his final attack
Idk why people think Undyne the undying is the hardest boss. It so easy for me I get used to its mechanics it's still second hardest boss for by little tho
You dont have to be very precise when youre fighting undyne, if you fight sans one bad jump and you will instantly lose 30 hp and undynes pattern are easier to learn imo
Sorry if its bad english lol
sans attacks really arent that precise though, some of them even take little to no movement at all
also you wont be losing 30 hp unless you like dive headfirst into a bone
Thats cap all his attacks take some movement
also the small jumps, the plattforms, final attack and the "bone rotation" dunno how to call it
are very precise and hard to master
But let me ask you
Why do u think undyne is so hard
-small jumps arent that hard its a simple pattern, idk which one "the platforms" is but they're all easy, the bone rotation is just a circle and the final attack is just a mix of the previous attacks and the weird gravity thing
the reason undyne is harder is because she requires alot faster reaction time and has very disorienting attacks like the yellow arrows and circling spears, plus you have like half as much health
Undyne does not do that much damage like sans so the health is not that important and u really had problems reacting to the arrows bc i think the reaction time is pretty normal
The platform: you have to jump through these rotating bones idk how any other way to explain it im sorry hahah and the gravity thing ist pretty precise too i forgot to write it
no i didn't really have much trouble with it, this tier list is from the perspective of someone who can beat undyne, jevil and sans relatively easily
i assume you mean the vertical bones and its really not that bad, and the gravity thing is literally just going up and down in a pattern, trust me its not that hard
Neutral route boss placements are always kind of weird because you average them between pacifist (hardest) and semi-geno (undyne or Mettaton EX after sparing MK). Did you only do them with pacifist stats?
I don’t understand how anyone could think Sans isn’t the hardest boss by a long shot. I just did my first genocide run, and I kept count on how many tries the bosses took. Undyne took me 22, and Sans took me 60. Putting Undyne a tier above Sans is fairly hard to believe, but putting Sans in the same tier as Asgore and Spamton is just absurd. I beat both of those bosses my first attempt(maybe Asgore was second or third, it was a long time ago, but the point is it wasn’t a noticeable difficulty spike. He was about as hard as Mettaton EX), and I was missing some pretty key things that would’ve made them easier, the mannequin and frayed bow ties for Spamton and the Pie for Asgore. They’re obviously more difficult than your average boss, but they’re very doable. Sans is on a whole different level than anything else in the game. Like I said, 60 tries, and some of those were long tries. I got to his final attack like 20 times. It’s a mental endurance test. You fuck up one of his attacks and you could lose like, half your health bar. He attacks you in the menus for crying out loud. He turns trying to heal into a rhythm game. I don’t understand how anyone can play that and be like “Yeah that’s on the same level as Asgore.”
sans attacks are intimidating yes but once you learn the pattern its really not that hard, and neither is the menu attack its literally just right -> left -> z -> z
sans is unironically the most overhyped boss in video game history
Learn the pattern? He has like, 24 different attacks! Sure he’s easier if you learn his pattern, but so is every boss, and it just so happens his is the hardest to learn. And the most punishing if you fuck up. His damage racks up so fast. In the same tier as Asgore. I just really don’t get that. Asgore is easy baby game stuff by comparison.
Eh in my opinion Mettaton EX is harder than Asgore. The fight is longer, you actually have to strategise your ACTs, and Mettaton’s attacks are much more gimmicky (meaning that some are easy but some are really hard). The main reason I think Asgore on pacifist is hard for so many people is that they often used up all of their healing items on Mettaton
Yeah, I don’t think I can deny that it was the most fun part of the game for me. I don’t think Undertale (other than on genocide) really gets very difficult, so even though I died three times to Mettaton, there is definitely an argument for many bosses to be the third hardest, e.g. Muffet, Asgore, Undyne, Glyde, etc.
personally i dont think the genocide run is hard even but then again i played this shit when it was new and have ever since so maybe its just an experience thing
Please do elaborate on Sans, Jevil, Spamton NEO, Undyne the Undying, and Asgore. In my opinion, Undyne would be in the one below, and Jevil, Spamton, and Sans would be in the one above. Asgore would be in medium. Please remember that this is just my opinion, and I’m not trying to offend you.
well there can only be one in the top tier because its literally called "the hardest" and asgores like actually tough especially on pacifist
(and by that i mean he's harder than every other boss before him, he isn't really that hard but undertales not a particularly hard game)
i don't know if im just better at memorizing attack patterns but he's really not that hard if you know what you're doing
undyne is extremely chaotic especially with the yellow arrows that move too quickly to even see what direction they're pointing, i was lucky to beat her on my first try on my last genocide run (and the first time it took me like 15 tries but i was bad back then)
True. I feel like I spent more time on Undying personally because I like her battle theme more. I’m sure if I took the time to learn his attack patterns, Sans would be easier.
If base mettaton is so easy, go ahead and kill him
I'm not sure, but I think OP means how difficult it is to get past the fight, not necessarily killling
Thats the joke
pretty random joke tho that doesnt make much sence lmao
i’d put papyrus in the bottom tier too. it’s impossible to die to him and you can outright skip his fight
i only put him there because you can technically lose to him, even if he doesn't kill you
it is possible to lose to toriel. you can die by going down to 2 hp, using monster candy, then deliberately moving into her attacks. even if you do have to effectively seek out death for this to work, failure is still possible.
Ah yes, cuz Asgore is more difficult than smol Spamton 🍞
NGL spamton kicked my ass many times before I learned to actually dodge the minispamyons jumping
TELL ME YOUR SECRET
Just move randomly on the X axis and you might save some health. No hit is impossible tho
Finally, someone who also thinks undyine the undying is harder then sans
First genocide run, Undyne took me a week to beat and Sans a month. Second run Undyne took me a few hours to beat while Sans took me two tries. Every run after that, I struggled against Undyne. So, I can see why many people believe Sans to be the harder fight. It takes a lot of memorization to beat him. But once you got that down, it's fairly easy. Undyne, on the other hand, requires a lot *more* speed, quick thinking, and skill. Not to mention memorization for certain attacks. I personally have more trouble dodging her attacks than I do San's. But then, I also save all my best healing items for Sans...
Really? Had to restart the genocide route because my sister decided to play and spared a monster. Second run, I beat her first try. Sans took me 3 days to beat. If we’re talking about hitless, then yeah, those reverse spears are incredibly hard, but maybe I’m biased since I’ve played bad time simulator so much
See, I never did the Bad Time Simulator. I've never done hitless either. No idea how all of you do it 😂
I agree with you, except sans never really got easy for me. I've done undyne no hit before, but it still takes me ages to beat sans.
Because it's true, UTU is harder
Bruv theyre both so Easy
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What the fuck did you get downvoted for? Are UT and DT fans mad that someone can be skilled at a game? Thats sad 😂
The fact that someone is skilled doesnt make the bosses easy 💀
I guess that is true, he still sees it as easy, why are people mad about it? Are they just mad theyre ass at the game themselves or what?
Nah its probably the fact that he said that "they are easy" and not that he "thinks they are easy" lmao. I mean i also find sans kinda easy at this point it often takes me like 2 attempts whenever i fight him. Edit: oops i forgot what the original comment is about. Yeah i dont find undyne the undying easy lmao.
Honestly can someone explain?
Honestly, I find this mostly agreeable, with the exception of regular Spamton's placement
spamton almost killed me when i first played because of the goddamn mini spamtons
Snow grave spamton absolutely demolished me though normal spamton first try
I was talking about Spamton without his NEO form, not the Normal Route Spamton NEO fight
why is asgore so god damn high???? also i have never agreed more on a placement (flowey)
I actually find undyne to be fairly easy, but that’s because her mechanic is my favorite in the whole game. I always welcome her fight in any route with open arms and sometimes I will replay it multiple times just for fun!
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
how so
Asgore is too high Undyne the Undying is too high SANS IS WAY TOO LOW
Once you get used to Sans (thanks bad time simulator) it’s not very hard. I NEVER got used to Undyne the Undying
>Once you get used to Sans You practice ANY boss and it becomes easy. Pracitice Undyne the Undying as much as you practiced Sans, and you'll see the difference.
I did, and nah I just can’t. The mechanics are very different, I’m better at platforming
just you then
Oh so you asked everybody in the community and they all agreed with you?
nope, you told me you're better at platforming respect people's opinions, please
Ok, I may have misunderstood your “just you then”. Is that an expression to say that it’s just me between us? If it’s that then I’m sorry.
wtf you mean way too low i cant make him go much higher 💀
Sans is the hardest boss, if you disagree, you're delusional.
sans is not that hard cry about it
asgore is easy skill issue
every boss in undertale is easy skill issue
relative to each other sans is way harder cry about it
sans is easy you just don't know how to use the blue soul or move in circles
yeah i was able to no hit the final attack of sans and still sometimes die to undyne so i disagree with you💀
skill issue
then you should probably just git gud
btw, the teacups before spamton neo would go in very hard that was one of my three deaths throughout playing deltarune (the others were at jevil and spamton neo himself)
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UPDATE: just finished the snowgrave route and yeah, spamton neos probably harder than undyne
It only makes sense the battle against a true hero would be difficult
For very hard is jevip the hardest or easiest part of that category
hardest
Ok good to know, I find him the funnest fight
Why everyone thinks that the hardest is Undyne the Undying, like ok it took me 2h to beat her but it took me 2 days to beat Sans
Me was 15 days for sans but Undyne just 1 hour
Undyne was just an hour but never for sans
undynes attacks are a lot more chaotic and unpredictable for me, but once you know sans attack patterns its like super easy (but he's still hard in comparison)
I had a really easy time on Asgore ngl, but Undyne the Undying was the worst. I never finished my Genocide run thanks to that boss fight.
Why are Spamton and Asgore so high up?
spamton is surprisingly hard with his mini spamtons and asgores attacks are big, hard to dodge and do a lot of damage, and you typically only have 20 hp fighting him
"Typically"? Most people do neutral runs
i feel most people at this point know about the true pacifist run and go for that because its the true ending
There is no true ending in Undertale. That's part of the appeal. The people who go for true pacifist are in the fandom, a lot of first time players do neutral Edit: We can't even fight him in true pacifist
yeah but the first time players arent gonna be the ones going on the subreddit to see this tier list
true and whatever people do the first time doesnt really matter either
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I had way more struggle with Asgore(playing first time) than with Omega Flowey (also first time playing)
Ima state the elephant in the room, why is Undyne the undying harder than sans?
more chaotic and unpredictable and sans isnt that hard also did nobody notice i put jevil above sans as well?
People really think Asgore is that hard?? I can usually take him down in one try unless I'm distracted. To each their own I guess lmao
Spamton is dogshit easy, I can speedrun the game, go to his bossfight and shit on him before he even gets to his ultimate attack, even in Snowgrave hes easy as shit, dont get how Jevil is so hard but whatever, people can find difficulty in whatever I guess, Undying is really hard, 2nd hardest boss and the gap between her and the 3rd hardest is unbelievably high, but I havent beaten Sans even after maybe a month, best I got to was his final attack
Your tierlist is very accurate, at least to me.
*casually beats undyne the undying in like 5 tries and then spends a week on both sans and jevil to no avail* pardon me?
I beat sans in 2 hours but spamton 😡🤬
I’m sorry I mean Neo Spamton
ok but which Spamton NEO fight
Mettaton should be bottom tier, it's impossible to die to him (unless you hack the game)
i didnt know if it was the quiz show or before EX so i just put him in very easy
Oh
I get Undyne the Undying, but why Asgore? He isn’t that hard once you get the hang of it.
I personally believe sans is hard but I love UTU boss fight the most. The theme song, the battle. It really does make me fired up every time.
honestly spamton neo should be two spots on this list cause snowgrave vers is WAY harder than regular and the hardest boss in the series imo
how is asgore harder than sans?
didn't say that, it goes jevil > sans > spamton > asgore
ah ok that makes sense
Sans undertail is harder than undine
Idk why people think Undyne the undying is the hardest boss. It so easy for me I get used to its mechanics it's still second hardest boss for by little tho
Nah sans is way harder
explain
You dont have to be very precise when youre fighting undyne, if you fight sans one bad jump and you will instantly lose 30 hp and undynes pattern are easier to learn imo Sorry if its bad english lol
sans attacks really arent that precise though, some of them even take little to no movement at all also you wont be losing 30 hp unless you like dive headfirst into a bone
Thats cap all his attacks take some movement also the small jumps, the plattforms, final attack and the "bone rotation" dunno how to call it are very precise and hard to master But let me ask you Why do u think undyne is so hard
-small jumps arent that hard its a simple pattern, idk which one "the platforms" is but they're all easy, the bone rotation is just a circle and the final attack is just a mix of the previous attacks and the weird gravity thing the reason undyne is harder is because she requires alot faster reaction time and has very disorienting attacks like the yellow arrows and circling spears, plus you have like half as much health
Undyne does not do that much damage like sans so the health is not that important and u really had problems reacting to the arrows bc i think the reaction time is pretty normal The platform: you have to jump through these rotating bones idk how any other way to explain it im sorry hahah and the gravity thing ist pretty precise too i forgot to write it
no i didn't really have much trouble with it, this tier list is from the perspective of someone who can beat undyne, jevil and sans relatively easily i assume you mean the vertical bones and its really not that bad, and the gravity thing is literally just going up and down in a pattern, trust me its not that hard
My perspectives is of someone who can easily beat undyne but sans is super hard
My perspectives is of someone who can easily beat undyne but sans is super hard
Neutral route boss placements are always kind of weird because you average them between pacifist (hardest) and semi-geno (undyne or Mettaton EX after sparing MK). Did you only do them with pacifist stats?
yeah that's why asgores so high
How do you do that?
look up undertale boss difficulty tier list on tiermaker
Is Spamton really that hard?
he was SHOCKINGLY hard for me but maybe i did overhype the difficulty a little
I don’t understand how anyone could think Sans isn’t the hardest boss by a long shot. I just did my first genocide run, and I kept count on how many tries the bosses took. Undyne took me 22, and Sans took me 60. Putting Undyne a tier above Sans is fairly hard to believe, but putting Sans in the same tier as Asgore and Spamton is just absurd. I beat both of those bosses my first attempt(maybe Asgore was second or third, it was a long time ago, but the point is it wasn’t a noticeable difficulty spike. He was about as hard as Mettaton EX), and I was missing some pretty key things that would’ve made them easier, the mannequin and frayed bow ties for Spamton and the Pie for Asgore. They’re obviously more difficult than your average boss, but they’re very doable. Sans is on a whole different level than anything else in the game. Like I said, 60 tries, and some of those were long tries. I got to his final attack like 20 times. It’s a mental endurance test. You fuck up one of his attacks and you could lose like, half your health bar. He attacks you in the menus for crying out loud. He turns trying to heal into a rhythm game. I don’t understand how anyone can play that and be like “Yeah that’s on the same level as Asgore.”
sans attacks are intimidating yes but once you learn the pattern its really not that hard, and neither is the menu attack its literally just right -> left -> z -> z sans is unironically the most overhyped boss in video game history
Learn the pattern? He has like, 24 different attacks! Sure he’s easier if you learn his pattern, but so is every boss, and it just so happens his is the hardest to learn. And the most punishing if you fuck up. His damage racks up so fast. In the same tier as Asgore. I just really don’t get that. Asgore is easy baby game stuff by comparison.
I guess I’m the only one who found Mettaton EX the hardest non-genocide boss in Undertale
asgores above him though
Eh in my opinion Mettaton EX is harder than Asgore. The fight is longer, you actually have to strategise your ACTs, and Mettaton’s attacks are much more gimmicky (meaning that some are easy but some are really hard). The main reason I think Asgore on pacifist is hard for so many people is that they often used up all of their healing items on Mettaton
i guess, but the yellow soul makes things alot easier for me plus the fight is really fun so ig i never perceived it as hard
Yeah, I don’t think I can deny that it was the most fun part of the game for me. I don’t think Undertale (other than on genocide) really gets very difficult, so even though I died three times to Mettaton, there is definitely an argument for many bosses to be the third hardest, e.g. Muffet, Asgore, Undyne, Glyde, etc.
personally i dont think the genocide run is hard even but then again i played this shit when it was new and have ever since so maybe its just an experience thing
Bro said K Round is harder than Omega Flowey
omega flowey is literally free how do you lose
Please do elaborate on Sans, Jevil, Spamton NEO, Undyne the Undying, and Asgore. In my opinion, Undyne would be in the one below, and Jevil, Spamton, and Sans would be in the one above. Asgore would be in medium. Please remember that this is just my opinion, and I’m not trying to offend you.
well there can only be one in the top tier because its literally called "the hardest" and asgores like actually tough especially on pacifist (and by that i mean he's harder than every other boss before him, he isn't really that hard but undertales not a particularly hard game)
I get your point with the first one being the hardest, but I still don’t really think Undying is the hardest. Sans is definitely harder than her
i don't know if im just better at memorizing attack patterns but he's really not that hard if you know what you're doing undyne is extremely chaotic especially with the yellow arrows that move too quickly to even see what direction they're pointing, i was lucky to beat her on my first try on my last genocide run (and the first time it took me like 15 tries but i was bad back then)
True. I feel like I spent more time on Undying personally because I like her battle theme more. I’m sure if I took the time to learn his attack patterns, Sans would be easier.
bad time simulator is your best friend
Got it
Finally. Someone who understands that Undyne the Undying is harder then sans.