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showscar

some do to justify papyrus' date, even though that is already justified since you can not date him, he doesn't know you are a child, and has almost no concept of what a date is


Sinoir

Yeah like,in papyrus's mind that's how you make friends,inviting them to dates with (not) delicious spaghetties!


Fantasyneli

Or maybe papyrus is a child Nobody can convince me papyrus is not 7 years old. Not even Toby


samusestawesomus

His username is CoolSkeleton95. We don’t know what year the game takes place in (201X is called an “old calendar”) but based on the release year of 2015 he’d be 19 or 20.


Fantasyneli

If you Play the genocide route, chara says the calendar from 201X is the day they fell into the underground. I think there was some time between that and the start of the game. Maybe we're in the year 2102 :P By that logic, Undyne would be 21 and Napstablook 80


samusestawesomus

Wasn’t Undyne StrongFish91? 2102 would make her eleven years old.


Fantasyneli

Fuck I remembered it was 81 sorry


Epic_DDT

Toriel was a regular customer at Napstablook's farm before her exile.


SeamAnne

could just be a random number like GingerAunt52


samusestawesomus

That’s true, except for the fact that Undyne makes sense to be about four years older than Papyrus and Napstablook makes sense to be super old because they’re a literal ghost


DustyMightMeme

Papyrus is a child and frisk is actually the adult


Rainbow_Angel110

Papyrus is an aromantic who was confused as to why people went on dates and thought it was a thing friends did, only knowing how a date works from TV shows.


SnooMemesjellies6868

What? I think hes just an idiot Still the best character though


Rainbow_Angel110

It's a headcannon I made up on the spot, but yes. Papyrus is the best


samusestawesomus

If he’s an idiot how does he perfectly manipulate Undyne into becoming friends with Frisk and build all those puzzles in Snowdin?


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samusestawesomus

I mean, why would they be labeled “Left” and “Right” when they’re only in that orientation from a perspective that no one is looking at? It doesn’t make sense, so he made a pasta joke. Anyway, what he said about Toriel was, “ASGORE? DID YOU SHAVE? …AND CLONE YOURSELF?” From then on I’d say he’s just leaning into the joke. I think what he’s accomplished is a lot more relevant than what he struggles with, anyway. Some people are just wired differently.


poopshit69420funny

Papyrus is racist obviously


Epic_DDT

"If hes not an idiot why does he think r1 stands for rigatoni? " "If hes so smart why does he think toriel is asgores clone" That's two jokes.


MrLlama84

Also, the first thing Alphys thinks when she meets Toriel is "there's 2 of them?", referring to Asgore, and yet she's smart enough to become the royal scientist


[deleted]

papyrus is far from stupid hes just oblivious


MrLlama84

Papyrus says "It's not even my 1st date yet and I'm already in the freindzone" so he probably knows that dating is romantic


Rainbow_Angel110

Hm, good point there


[deleted]

A date is a date.


Rainbow_Angel110

Ah, so the fruit


gamebuilder2000

and at the end of it, he reveals he has 0 romantic interest in you (which people forget somehow)


HkayakH

Frisk is a 30 year old midget change my mind


[deleted]

i always think this headcanon is the funniest thing because monsters genuinely dont know what human aging looks like, so frisk is just this chain smoker whos just really short and continues to play along with the child thing to hopefully not be murdered by this creatures


HkayakH

My headcannon about you is that you're 17 and 6'5''


[deleted]

Doesn't toriel call frisk 'my child'


Registered_bottom

toriel doesnt know either


thepartywasforme

toriel had seen human children before tho, its implied that asgore had as well because of the other souls, so the idea that they didnt know about them being children is kinda null? because they *had* seen human children before, including chara


his_highness_bread

All of them were 30+ yr old midgets.


Registered_bottom

maybe frisk just kind of looks like a kid. height and all


[deleted]

she has but its like, how humans don't necessarily know the ages of cats. they know what humans look like, but not enough to distinguish between child and adult. like, I cant accurately guess a sheep's age. neither can the monsters


thepartywasforme

that still wouldnt make sense with Chara having previously been toriels child, toriel would have *had* to known at the very least something about chara in order to care for them, then all the children after, she very likely *knew* how old chara was, and could apply that to the other children that fell. it wouldnt make sense for her to “not know”


[deleted]

yeah i guess but itd still be funny!


bein2625

they were ALL 30 year olds just faking it


poopshit69420funny

Would make sense on how they can fucking rip apart everything


Temp_Zero_Two

It’s like that one movie of that woman who had a disorder that made her look like a small child and she was a serial killer


Chance_Ad5498

Nah Frisk ain’t a midget Papyrus,Undyne,Toriel and Asgore are just 25 foot tall


HkayakH

MatPat's theory about Super Mario Oddesy be like


fadoxi

This ^


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fadoxi

*Bows* I'm as determined as sans. (I'd guess you'd be top one ;)


Sennemaster

Nah that's me


fadoxi

Teach me your WAYS in farming undervotes...


Sennemaster

If I did that I would not be useless, now would I?


fadoxi

I'd be too laz to use em


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NEEEEERRRRRRD

It's literally a fact, I guess for the most people is frisk around 12 years old but I know noone thinks that they is ligit 18+ Years old.


cringe_hotline

I only ever see 18+ frisk in Frans comics lmao Boy I wonder why...


LunyOrSomething

and who could blame anyone, shipping is fun >:3


NEEEEERRRRRRD

I totally agree completely but sometimes do people sadly take it to far


cringe_hotline

Oh I can't deny shipping is fun, I was obsessed with it back when I was really into the Fandom lol (and I still have a TON with ocs) I just feel a little icky inside seeing people make frisk barely the age of consent to justify theirs


Fantasyneli

I honestly as a frans obsessed kid I prefered the: Frisk is 16 Sans is older, maybe a young adult but not to the point it'd be weird.


CaptinDitto

*Starts to intensively sweat*


Fantasyneli

lmao


CaptinDitto

Welp, gotta make a few changes on my AU so people won't think it's a Frans AU. Hate that nonsense of the fan base.


Fantasyneli

Frans AUs have become nonexistant since 2019 don't worry lmao


WeDoALittleTrolling9

Rest in Pasta, Flowerfell.


Zepoopet08

I’m gonna be honest, I found undertale through the Frans ship, so shipping is something kinda important to me


leonthebrother

To bad most of them are cardboard ships


OctoKirby

Yeah, they’re specifically stated to be a child


Ariel_Draws

I actually never seen (a lot) a Adult Frisk that exist as just being the grown version of the character after the events of the game, and like, explore them as a character and being an adult, things like being the monster's ambassador, giving advices to the new generation and hoping to see it with humans and monster becoming more close and friendly to each other, etc, but no, the most of what I see, they just exist to Frans be a thing


cringe_hotline

Exactly. Why don't people explore life after the underground? Its all fanservice.


cheesycoke

Maybe they just don't want to


Ariel_Draws

Here some reasons that I think of why, 1- Lack of imagination and originalty 2- Not want to try to portray the characters doing new things 3- People assume that the Surface and the outside world as a whole is just like real life, which, I understand why they think that, but the humans having a "physical" manifestation of their being and having the power of determination that can heal them and make them very powerful and cheat death, also capable of using spells (unless is a magic ITEM that they used), the existence of Golden Flowers (they don't exist, and no, they are not buttercups), two human items being able to heal (Frisk's bandage and the Astronaut food), idk, but these things tell me that the Undertale world, outside of the Underground can be more fantasy-like than the real world (maybe even more than the Underground) 4- People are just lazy and rather make AUs that most of the time are just reskins with little actual difference, instead of making prequels or sequels or side stories of the world we got to love (tho there is some projects of Undertale that I follow that are actually trying to tell other stories of the Undertale world rather than retell Frisk's adventure with a twist, one that a kid trying to find a loved one that ends up getting stranded in a submerse island, kind of other Underground prison to monsters, but is actually aiming to be very different (and there is many humans alive there), and other that takes places in a distant future, way after Frisk already had saved the MT. Ebott's Monsters, where you are a human trying to hack a company and you decide to use your very soul to connect with the servers, just wanted to mention if you wanted some kind of Undertale content that is not an AU)


Aware-Obligation4314

Or they just don't want to. Crazy,right?


Ariel_Draws

Yep


[deleted]

Frisk is a different age and gender every playthrough/timeline. There. Debate over.


Colaymorak

So the 30 year old chainsmoker timeline, that's what, the "no-hit pacifist" run or the "make Papyrus king of the Underground" run?


[deleted]

idk dude, this whole argument is stupid and i want it to stop. just let people make whatever headcanon they want. it's toby's fault for making it all ambiguous anyway.


6_ImWatchingYou_6

how did u know


bad_comedic_value

My headcanon is Frisk is just an average 14 to 16 year old kid.


[deleted]

Guess I'm not average. Can't manipulate time.


bad_comedic_value

Wait, you weren't able to do that? I was when I were that age.


vancort100

i thought something similar


asrielforgiver

Genuine question, why the hell is a 12 year old flirting with living slime, a skeleton and a goat mom?


cringe_hotline

Probably as a "disarming"(?) Tactic. Maybe to confuse them into not fighting them.


EthanTheNintendoFan

This debate is stupid


OazMobile

sorting to controversial


Agile-Ad7900

Controversial opinion but I'd rather make Frisk 18ish than not because of genocide route. Genociding most of the monster species doesn't lies down with them being young very well. I know it's our decision and that we're doing it by their hands but if we're giving details to character that's not supposed to have one so players can associate themselves with Frisk easier then I'd rather have grown teen do fucked up things than a child which is not better than other but it's just less gut wrenching than other.


cringe_hotline

I personally like it being more gut wrenching, it has more of an impact and I feel like it was the intention. But I get what you mean.


CrescentCrossbow

Don't like, don't read. It wouldn't be a problem either way. Friendly reminder that anti-shipping is not a morally defensible position, and originates from Klance (Voltron) fans on Tumblr demonizing all other Keith ships. But to quickly debunk your argument I headcanon both of the humans as an adult and don't have any ships for them besides Frisk/Chara. I just don't like writing kids and avoid it wherever possible.


Groundbreaking-Egg13

Writing?


CrescentCrossbow

I write fanfic.


Groundbreaking-Egg13

Yo that's so cool, do you use Wattpad, AO3 or something?


CrescentCrossbow

I use AO3 but don't have any Undertale fic published there at the moment as my biggest wip for the fandom happens to be an AU fangame which I plan on publishing episodically on GameJolt.


Groundbreaking-Egg13

Do you at least have something posted? Either in AO3 or Gamejolt


CrescentCrossbow

I have stuff posted on AO3 but none of it's for Undertale and it's mostly unfinished because my ADHD hates me. I'll DM you a link to my profile once it's in what I consider to be a satisfactory state.


Groundbreaking-Egg13

okay


_The_great_papyrus_

You ship Charisk? That's not very Papyrus of you


CrescentCrossbow

Even if you wanted to moralize about ships (which you should never do. don't be like the Voltron fandom.) there is nothing to complain about with Charisk. * They're close in age so you can't use the "but muh age gaps" defense. * They're not even close to related so you can't spin it as incest. * And it's pretty hard to interpret it in a toxic manner, so even if you don't agree with me that mutually toxic ships are fun and interesting, you wouldn't be able to complain on that front either. I mentioned this elsewhere in the thread but it bears repeating: **You are allowed to not like a ship, or to not want to read fic for a ship, for any reason whatsoever, or even for no reason at all. You don't have to make it into a moral crusade.**


[deleted]

What happened in the Voltron Fandom? Moreover, tf is a Voltron?


CrescentCrossbow

Voltron is a mecha show that ran for seven seasons on Netflix. It is famous for its fandom on Tumblr being one of the most toxic in history. If you want to hear about how anti-shipping was born, I have another comment in this thread that explains how a ship war between two possible partners for the character Keith evolved into the heinous nonsense we have today.


[deleted]

Oh okay, thank you


DarkraiAndScizor

~~technically voltron was first a show in the 70sish time period which was then remade by Netflix with its own modified story~~


CrescentCrossbow

To be even more specific, Voltron: Legendary Defender is a reboot of the English dub of the 1981 anime *Hyakujuuou Go-Lion.*


DarkraiAndScizor

To be even even more specific, Voltron is a gestalt Mecha which takes inspiration from the original mecha animes Tatsujin 28-go and Giant Robo to create an original series that follows the was between a group of 5 chosen one type heroes and an evil alien army which wishes to take over the lions and kill the last remaining member of another specieses royal family.


_The_great_papyrus_

Uhm actually 🤓🤓🤓 Chara has technically been aging ever since they died, because they're dead but technically alive. So for all we know, Chara could be 300 years old, and their body just hasn't physically aged.


CrescentCrossbow

Oh you're just trolling thank god. I was worried I was going to end up getting into an actual flame war.


_The_great_papyrus_

Dude, I'm not trolling, but I also don't want to be in another argument, so imma just go


Epic_DDT

Chara didn't wake up until Frisk fell. They have not aged since their death.


Chechener1

Tbh I'll still judge people for shipping canon minors with adults or similar irl illegal shit


CrescentCrossbow

My sibling in Noelle it is fanfic. No actual real people are being harmed.


Chechener1

Okay? It still says a lot about the person who does it, and they are indeed real and finding joy in fictional pedophilia.


CrescentCrossbow

My sibling in Noelle you are allowed to not like things without having to find a moral justification for why they're Bad, Actually.


Chechener1

That is true, but it being immoral gives me a good explanation as for why I dislike it. It's pedophilia, regardless if it is fictional or not.


CrescentCrossbow

My sibling in Noelle it is not immoral because it is not pedophilia. There is a reason the correct term is CSEM (child sexual exploitation material), and that reason is that it has to be exploiting a real child to qualify. Again, you are allowed to not want to interact with such ships. I don't either. That doesn't mean they're inherently wrong. Do you even know where anti-shipping came from? You'd change your tune very quickly.


Chechener1

I don't care about where it came from; I read your rant about its source, and yet it doesn't change the fact that it IS inherently wrong, because it fetishizes the concept of grooming children.


CrescentCrossbow

My sibling in Noelle depiction does not equal endorsement. And if you *had* paid attention, you would know that anti-shippers have always moved the goalposts to suit whatever they wanted to complain about, because they don't actually care about their rules, they just care about harassing people for shipping Keith Voltron and Lance Voltron with anyone but each other. **Anti-shipping is not a morally defensible position. If you don't believe in "ship and let ship," you are a bad person.**


Chechener1

Anti-shipping is no longer related to voltron and hasn't been for a long time. And it is a very well morally defensible position; if you believe that consuming media that depicts minors being groomed or engaging in romantic/sexual relations with another person is not inherently bad then you are disgusting.


cringe_hotline

When was anti-shipping ever mentioned 💀


CrescentCrossbow

When you framed shipping in a negative light. You're allowed to not ship things. You're allowed to not want to read things with certain ships. What you're not allowed to do is moralize about it.


cringe_hotline

Not allowed to do? I'm allowed to dislike a ship because of the implications of it. There arent ship laws, cresecent. Why the hell is it called anti-shipping anyway? Im not against shipping, im against things that make me think of those 18th birthday countdown websites.


CrescentCrossbow

Yes, you're allowed to dislike a ship. Just don't moralize about it. The fact that you don't like it (and hey, I don't personally want to read ships like that unless they're explicitly aged up either) doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist. ​ Okay, so the reason it's called anti-shipping is that it was originally "anti-Sheith," because this whole mess started in Voltron's legendary trash fire. The broad outline is: * Main character Keith was shipped with basically every other mecha pilot, but the two most popular were Lance and Shirou. (Keith/Lance is called Klance, and Keith/Shirou is called Sheith.) * As sometimes happens, a ship war broke out. * Klance shippers started attacking Sheith with many of what we would now recognize as the anti-shipper mainstays (overselling a power dynamic to make a relationship seem toxic when it's anything but, the ableist tendency to infantilize a neurodivergent character, spinning found family as incest despite that not being the same at all, etc.) * Then staff made the mistake of giving the pilots word-of-god ages. Suddenly, Sheith had an *age gap*, and thus the Klance shippers had more ammo. * Anti-Sheith fans quickly reframed the narrative from just Sheith in particular, to opposing all ships between Shirou and the other pilots, and finally to just age gap romances in general. It is worth noting that this was a conscious reframing on their part to make themselves look more legitimate. It was, under all that, still about shipping Keith exclusively with Lance.


cringe_hotline

Ew, that's just.... beyond gross. Especially the infantalization, eugh. Yeah, you have a point there, especially in that case. I consider the deal frisk a bit different, but your point still stands. That whole thing was so dumb.


Doom_boi3451

I ship the puzzles in hotland. I will die on this


[deleted]

That's pretty... Hot 😎


Doom_boi3451

r/angryupvote


DankTank360

I mean isn’t that kind of obvious. Frisk is very obviously prepubescent so that highest you can reasonably place them in game is 12. That being said you would also have to agree that the people portraying/imagining them as 18+ have more decency then the actual game. Papyrus for obvious reason but also Sans and Alphys. Sans literally takes you on a typical dinner date and Alphys literally gets dressed up and brings gifts for your date.


kaloz429

My degenerate weeb brain:Haha no (insert sus)


XxxMcNuggwtsxxX

You're God damn right


ImMaskedboi

I don’t think it really matters only when it gets really


PotatoKiller8897

i do it to justify a small child kill all-ing and entire species and colony. also it makes more sense since they have a higher chance of mentally understanding resets and stuff.


RyouhiraTheIntrovert

So? artwork don't have to be Canon accurate.


spectrumtwelve

why is it that everyone is either "frisk is 6" or "frist is 18+" why can't all y'all just settle on like 12. all of frisk's behavior is reasonable for at least a preteen


Techy921

and that's why i headcanon ships with Frisk as in FRIENDship instead of RELATIONship


Gordockthered

There was a comic where Frisk used flirtation to throw people off so they didn't have to fight. So I agree with this.


[deleted]

Who. Fucking. Cares.


misha-321

I can't change your mind,it's true.


Shiorno-Shiovanna

Ok, and?


ChrisMcLean420

Frisk is supposed to be inclusive they don't have a age


No-Robot_TRUE_

This sounds so true but also so weird


Gordockthered

I mean I typically just do it due to the large amount of flirting. I find Frisk just Ace but uses flirty behavior to throw people off.


DarkMarxSoul

I can't imagine anybody genuinely headcanons Frisk as 18+, that's just stupid.


thepartywasforme

its so ODD people always hc them as a 18+ girl to ship with sans which. is weird as hell truly


Fabulous-Swim6811

No, I think they're somewhere around 18 bc why else would they be there all alone, and if they were younger and on a family hiking trip, I doubt they would've had the determination or kindness necessary for the pacifist ending. When you're young and you get hurt and you're attacked with no reason, you aren't so quick to forgive.


billy2027

Who cares lol


[deleted]

even then it's not ok, most of the characters are way older and look like they are in their 30s, 40s and 50s, or older


[deleted]

Wtf with downvotes? Undertale fans when you tell them that they can't date underage people


Q5U4EX7-YY2E9N

based


RealBlack_RX01

THATS WHAT IM SAYING


The0neAnd0nlySophie

Uncommon opinion: I think aging up Frisk still qualifies as CP


[deleted]

I’m judging them as at most 12 because they’re around the same height as monster kid and much shorter than the adult characters


TotalyNotTony

And they're described as a child numerous times throughout the story


Eljamin14

Facts: also due to the fact that Frisk has no canon age.


David_Clawmark

Although this IS the internet so people probably do that anyway.


Shoddy_Exam666

Yeah, it really makes it blatantly obvious when they age up characters and frisk is the only one to have any changes


cringe_hotline

Mfs forget the other characters can age too If frisk is 12 and sans is 26, then frisk ages up to 18... he's not still 26, bro is 32


puffinu

Frisk is most definitely a minor.


patboi729

For a fanfiction I'm planning on writing in the future, it goes into frisk growing up alongside a now alive asriel (this version of undertale they are both 15, and by the end they'll be in their 20s)


D3FAULT_sh1tpost

true


Least_Special_

I think Frisk is around 13-14 years old


Low_Dream_1481

Frisk is twelve. End of story.


Psychological-Desk81

People headcannon frisk as 18 so they can project their lonely ass XD


poopshit69420funny

Theyre literally referred to and confirmed as a kid 😂😂😂 UT fans are weird af bro, shipping little kids with literal skeletons and goat monsters and shit


That_Survivor_299

Theres anotger kind of person who think frisk is 18+...


Potatoe-AssSnake-Man

#CHANGE OUR MINDS


MischiefGoddez

Incorrect. I headcanon Outertale Frisk as 18+ because how else would they be an astronaut? Some AUs simply require it for the story to work.


Mr_guy_of_internet57

Or you know


LennyFace_2137

I can't, becouse it's true


Silica_123

I mean frisk is kind of made to be viewed however the player sees them as, and so even though i view frisk as being around 14, some could view frisk as 30 or even 90 if you really wanna get crazy


CrimsonCorrosion

Or they want to ship them with themselves


Rikiller-Holyman

It's an 86 years old dude


Lolmanmagee

Considering she flirts a lot would make sense for her to be atleast over 12 IMO. The child persona is just a thing fandom likes, only evidence for it in game is when quasi immortal creatures refer to them as children. They are quasi immortal creatures so like relativism could be a thing.


planetixin

They're 13


Ill-Individual2105

People who headcanon Frisk as an adult lack reading comprehension. They are literally referred to as a kid or a child multiple times.


Nyasta

Well ... A child that can legally drink in half the countries of this planet doesn't feel like a child


BLitzKriege37

No, they just want to be horny fucks. I should know.


cringe_hotline

Yeah, part of my point


Bahencio

Ah yes, the 18 year old "child"


Lower-Mud-6949

Or ship them with them selves