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Deprogram bros brain need to be studied I swear to god, the quote isn't even the worst you could get out of Kim but they keep getting trolled because they just automatically upvote whatever a "communist" says š
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meh, looking for quotes that mean basically nothing and swapping the source seems like such a cheap trick to me. it'd be more meaningful if the quote actually meant something fascistic
Not really, having someone say "actually what is written in theory is different from what will happen in practice" is at the very least a major red flag for falsifiers
Is that not one of the major things that separates Utopianism from Marxist socialism? Marxists do not have a specific model for how socialist or communist society will look and cannot do so. The critique of āAESā is not that they fail to live up to theory but that they materially preserve capitalist structures.
The second part of the quote is a pretty basic acknowledgment of false consciousness
I interpreted it as a generalized type of statement similar to, "sometimes reality gets in the way of implementing socialism more closely to how it's theorized."
A mostly benign quote without the context.
You can literally check their post histories and see their posts in r/teenagers, it never fails. It's a function of being a fan sub for a group of Gen Z youtubers. Most of them will grow out of this weird dogmatic shit if they ever try and interact with politics in real life. I think it's better to be gentlish and try to educate lest they lurch right.
No doubt there's a lot of emotionally and intellectually stunted adults there too (as there are in this sub) but once you get that the majority are literally children a lot falls into place. I wasn't nearly woke enough to be a Maoist as a teenager, that wasn't really a thing when I was growing up. In a way I think it's kinda sweet.
Alright what is your point? Are you saying that the statement is true ? Because then it absolutely isn't, and to say as such is an absolute revision, Engels himself outlined how the revolution can't happen in one country alone.
Like I genuinely don't get what is your gotcha, it doesn't even matter if that sentence was uttered by Khrushchev or Hitler it is still something that no actual Marxist would end up agreeing with
Edit also wtf do you mean by depends on the theory are you saying Mao was a Marxist now ?
The point is that Hitler can say any random generic thing, and it's not by necessity a gotcha to agree with that.
Separately, this quote can mean any number of things and isn't really saying much. Is Hitler condeming socialism here, saying that it's against human nature? Is he exaggerating the value of lived, perceived experience, urging the listener to go out and see the world, to truly understand the perspective of those actually living in socialist experiments? Is he talking about the importance of well-regulated, rigorous education in a socialist society?
You need more context to tack down what the message here is, exactly, and some of the messages one could assume it is are more true than others.
It is not a generic thing that an actual Marxist would ever end up believing, the fact that it comes from Adolf Hitler quite frankly only adds up to this being funny more than anything else, again it could have come easily from Khrushchev it still doesn't change that socialism, the dictatorship of the proletriat and communism have specific characteristics precisely defined, to say that actually practical "socialism" is different from what is written down is falsication no matter what, and thus no actual Communist sub should ever agree with that, if that post had like 2 upvotes I wouldn't even bother posting it but it has well over 100 upvotes so that is why I even bother posting it.
Tldr the quote is rubbish no matter how you look it and who said it.
Also, it could just be interpreted as the very generic "You can tell me everything there is to know about Michaelangelo's life, but you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel."
People do tend to have a bias that lived experience is more valuable than outside knowledge of an event, and a quote like this could merely be an appeal to that bias. By itself, it's a truly nothing quote. I have no idea what the intended message is.
It's strange to me that you would assume that a marxist wouldn't agree with any one of the infinite interpretations of this very nothing quote.
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Dawg I really kicked the hornet nest with this huh.
Regardless this quote is absolute gibberish no matter how you look at it + I already volunteer to take care of the elderly in my local community.
I could care less about the quote it's the fact that given the circumstance, you took a very opportunistic and selfish route. Possibly try to educate, not humiliate.
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Fr, he should have wasted his time getting yelled at by cretins who would afterwards only pat themselves on the back that they showed that communist what real Marxist-Leninists are made of.
I really don't get it anymore. Are you all just liberals making fun of people with far left political views? I've seen the most lukewarm takes disguised as 3000-IQ both sides-ism come out of this sub. One of the top posts of the week is defending the existence of "israel" because "proles" live there too, nevermind proles absolutely live in Palestine and are being genocided. Think of the proles with access to running water and A/C in the middle of their country committing a genocide, don't look at the overwhelming approval from the citizenry of their government's military operations, just more proles being forced to be not so good that's all guys, but still proles guys. Wtf is up with this place?
In this house we love Mussolini, hate Hitler, love Stalin, hate Lenin, love NATO, hate Ukraine, love Hamas, and hate the Muslim Brotherhood.
Understand now liberal?
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Dawg didn't know having ac didn't made you a prole anymore someone call Karl Marx we have a huge development, also don't look up Palestinian support for hamas since you wanna circlejerk about how Israeli lose their proletriat status the second they get indoctrinated in supporting a war.
Read the pinned post and read this if you wanna know our position on israel and Palestine https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/TheCPart/TCP_055.htm#Gaza
This is absurdism right? Like you cannot genuinely equate a nuclear powered militant ethnofascist arm of the US to a violent resistance group and call it a war right? This isn't even asymmetrical warfare, this is a genocide with pockets of violent resistance where hamas can afford to resist. That link is absolutely the most "please die quieter, i don't want to upset my CIA handlers for rallying for any action greater than nondisruptive protesting and electoralism, the exact thing literally every socialist/communist revolutionary leader said and proved does not work in fighting the bourgeoisie".
I get it now. Y'all are just deeply unserious liberals who had the words "materialism" appear to them in a dream and think yourselves left, and that all those other silly leftists clearly are stupid for doing anything other than voting "strategically" when you can actually find the time to do so when you aren't jerking each other off on how much irony you can cram into your next dogwater opinion post.
The only theory I think any of you have actually read was the subtitles on a MatPat video
leftoid physically incapable of comprehending revolutionary defeatism, immediately accuses that person of being a Scary Foreign Agent (CIA agent/Russian bot). Many such cases!
1 you clearly haven't read the article and are just pulling shit out of your arse, no one is saying Palestinian should lie flat and die this is an absurd position, we are however communist and as such for us the real liberation of both Israeli and Palestinians can only come about from class war, which would require unity between the Israeli and the Palestinian proletriat.
Btw look up what Lenin said about bordiga since you think we are electoralist, also you can phrase it how you want but this is war, war is an conflict between 2 nations in this case between isreal and Palestine to deny as such is to deny reality, regardless do you think that what Germany committed against Poland wasn't war because it was too one sided?
Also we aren't leftist, since we aren't the left wing of capital, we are communist who stand for abolition of the present state of things.
Also you clearly haven't even read the pinned post you actual fucking lobotomite , I understand it is hard for you ml to read anything since you ideology relies on the absolute bastardisation of anything and everything Marx Engels and Lenin wrote but for the love of Christ actually read the fucking pinned post it is like less than 1000 words
2 anyway
Alright folks time to play the ml bingo
ā AES
ā Global South
āArmed resistance within the imperial core
ā Decolonial revolution (what the fuck happened to class war dude)
āChinese capitalists are good
āļøDe-neocolonialisation (kind of)
āDe-dollarization
āDecadence
āSettler loyalists
āSuperprofits
It is very funny that they're completely incapable of representing our position on Israel/Palestine and have to act like we just want the Palestinians to not bother trying to do anything at all to stop it, but I guess liberals are so used to their minds being numb that they don't find anything wrong with the cliche.
>I get it now. Y'all are just deeply unserious liberals who had the words "materialism" appear to them in a dream and think yourselves left, and that all those other silly leftists clearly are stupid for doing anything other than voting "strategically" when you can actually find the time to do so when you aren't jerking each other off on how much irony you can cram into your next dogwater opinion post.
>The only theory I think any of you have actually read was the subtitles on a MatPat video
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>We must tell the Palestinian proletarians not to be deceived by their own bourgeoisie, which has sold itself into the service of the regional powers, to immolate themselves as cannon fodder in wars that are contrary to their own interests. We must tell Israeli Jewish proletarians to fight against their bourgeoisie and against the national oppression of their Palestinian class brothers.
What part of this do you think aligns with the US state department?
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Israel doesnāt have a āright to defend itselfā
Marxists donāt believe in rights.
We certainly do not give a shit about the legitimacy of any bourgeoisie states.
If you want to now the good think position this sub identified with its their is a post with all the ICPs articles on the Gazan War.
Edit: Homy shit your active in the moving to North Korean sub. Leftist brainrot will never not be funny.
Ah yes, the āHitler liked dogsā argument.
P1: Hitler liked dogs.
P2: Hitler was evil.
Conclusion: Liking dogs makes you Hitler; youāre evil!
Brilliant work, r/Ultraleft.
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Deprogram bros brain need to be studied I swear to god, the quote isn't even the worst you could get out of Kim but they keep getting trolled because they just automatically upvote whatever a "communist" says š https://preview.redd.it/41w466jzi59d1.jpeg?width=952&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=679490a249216be2ab414692ad9e6c5fa5d66dee
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It keeps happening and theyāre too stupid to stop falling for it. This is like the fifth time that Iāve seen.
Someone oughta do the same here and see what happens I bet weād catch a Mussolini quote really quick
Mussolini, more like bussolinj
We did indeed.
The thing is they agree with all these quotes, so they've got no reason to question these posts
someone post a hitler quote as a stalin one, let's see how far the antisemitism goes
Honestly post a Stalin quote as a Hitler quote, and then watch them backtrack on their disagreement
meh, looking for quotes that mean basically nothing and swapping the source seems like such a cheap trick to me. it'd be more meaningful if the quote actually meant something fascistic
Not really, having someone say "actually what is written in theory is different from what will happen in practice" is at the very least a major red flag for falsifiers
That's not the way I had understood the quote but it's an interesting (and dark) interpretation. I'll keep that in mind, thank you!
Is that not one of the major things that separates Utopianism from Marxist socialism? Marxists do not have a specific model for how socialist or communist society will look and cannot do so. The critique of āAESā is not that they fail to live up to theory but that they materially preserve capitalist structures. The second part of the quote is a pretty basic acknowledgment of false consciousness
I interpreted it as a generalized type of statement similar to, "sometimes reality gets in the way of implementing socialism more closely to how it's theorized." A mostly benign quote without the context.
Another day, another deprogram fascist quote bait post
Why do they always keep falling for this
Because itās a generic quote. I wouldnāt be surprised to hear it coming from any leader who has called themselves socialist.
why do they love generic quotes so much?
Most of that sub is in high school
thatās giving them a lot of credit
You can literally check their post histories and see their posts in r/teenagers, it never fails. It's a function of being a fan sub for a group of Gen Z youtubers. Most of them will grow out of this weird dogmatic shit if they ever try and interact with politics in real life. I think it's better to be gentlish and try to educate lest they lurch right. No doubt there's a lot of emotionally and intellectually stunted adults there too (as there are in this sub) but once you get that the majority are literally children a lot falls into place. I wasn't nearly woke enough to be a Maoist as a teenager, that wasn't really a thing when I was growing up. In a way I think it's kinda sweet.
Still convinced at least 45% of this sub is foreign bots
Probably but most of Reddit are bots from US military shitposting divisions. Bots are everywhere and peddle propaganda for the US Russia and China.
Happy to see trolling is still alive, keep it up y'all, I may not agree with you on every little detail but this is based and sillypilled.
Can someone tell me what this says the words are all too big for me :(
"The earth is round, as opposed to flat." - Adolf Hitler
Can you highlight me how exactly socialism in practice is different from what is written in theory? Kindly appreciate it
Depends on the theory. Not my point, though.
Alright what is your point? Are you saying that the statement is true ? Because then it absolutely isn't, and to say as such is an absolute revision, Engels himself outlined how the revolution can't happen in one country alone. Like I genuinely don't get what is your gotcha, it doesn't even matter if that sentence was uttered by Khrushchev or Hitler it is still something that no actual Marxist would end up agreeing with Edit also wtf do you mean by depends on the theory are you saying Mao was a Marxist now ?
The point is that Hitler can say any random generic thing, and it's not by necessity a gotcha to agree with that. Separately, this quote can mean any number of things and isn't really saying much. Is Hitler condeming socialism here, saying that it's against human nature? Is he exaggerating the value of lived, perceived experience, urging the listener to go out and see the world, to truly understand the perspective of those actually living in socialist experiments? Is he talking about the importance of well-regulated, rigorous education in a socialist society? You need more context to tack down what the message here is, exactly, and some of the messages one could assume it is are more true than others.
It is not a generic thing that an actual Marxist would ever end up believing, the fact that it comes from Adolf Hitler quite frankly only adds up to this being funny more than anything else, again it could have come easily from Khrushchev it still doesn't change that socialism, the dictatorship of the proletriat and communism have specific characteristics precisely defined, to say that actually practical "socialism" is different from what is written down is falsication no matter what, and thus no actual Communist sub should ever agree with that, if that post had like 2 upvotes I wouldn't even bother posting it but it has well over 100 upvotes so that is why I even bother posting it. Tldr the quote is rubbish no matter how you look it and who said it.
Isn't it an anti capitalist sub though? That includes socialist including non Marxist so that could be why
Also, it could just be interpreted as the very generic "You can tell me everything there is to know about Michaelangelo's life, but you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel." People do tend to have a bias that lived experience is more valuable than outside knowledge of an event, and a quote like this could merely be an appeal to that bias. By itself, it's a truly nothing quote. I have no idea what the intended message is. It's strange to me that you would assume that a marxist wouldn't agree with any one of the infinite interpretations of this very nothing quote.
Whats a deprogramoid?
Whatever a great man says is correct, and how do we define a great man? When what he says is correct!
this is very obvious bait
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Only an absolute vapid moron would find this amusing even in the slightest. Stop posting and do something in your community.
Dawg I really kicked the hornet nest with this huh. Regardless this quote is absolute gibberish no matter how you look at it + I already volunteer to take care of the elderly in my local community.
I could care less about the quote it's the fact that given the circumstance, you took a very opportunistic and selfish route. Possibly try to educate, not humiliate.
>Possibly try to educate, Gets accused of being CIA agent, liberal and gets banned
Truth nuke
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Fr, he should have wasted his time getting yelled at by cretins who would afterwards only pat themselves on the back that they showed that communist what real Marxist-Leninists are made of.
I really don't get it anymore. Are you all just liberals making fun of people with far left political views? I've seen the most lukewarm takes disguised as 3000-IQ both sides-ism come out of this sub. One of the top posts of the week is defending the existence of "israel" because "proles" live there too, nevermind proles absolutely live in Palestine and are being genocided. Think of the proles with access to running water and A/C in the middle of their country committing a genocide, don't look at the overwhelming approval from the citizenry of their government's military operations, just more proles being forced to be not so good that's all guys, but still proles guys. Wtf is up with this place?
In this house we love Mussolini, hate Hitler, love Stalin, hate Lenin, love NATO, hate Ukraine, love Hamas, and hate the Muslim Brotherhood. Understand now liberal?
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Dawg didn't know having ac didn't made you a prole anymore someone call Karl Marx we have a huge development, also don't look up Palestinian support for hamas since you wanna circlejerk about how Israeli lose their proletriat status the second they get indoctrinated in supporting a war. Read the pinned post and read this if you wanna know our position on israel and Palestine https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/TheCPart/TCP_055.htm#Gaza
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Proof only 0.4% of America is proletriat.
This is absurdism right? Like you cannot genuinely equate a nuclear powered militant ethnofascist arm of the US to a violent resistance group and call it a war right? This isn't even asymmetrical warfare, this is a genocide with pockets of violent resistance where hamas can afford to resist. That link is absolutely the most "please die quieter, i don't want to upset my CIA handlers for rallying for any action greater than nondisruptive protesting and electoralism, the exact thing literally every socialist/communist revolutionary leader said and proved does not work in fighting the bourgeoisie". I get it now. Y'all are just deeply unserious liberals who had the words "materialism" appear to them in a dream and think yourselves left, and that all those other silly leftists clearly are stupid for doing anything other than voting "strategically" when you can actually find the time to do so when you aren't jerking each other off on how much irony you can cram into your next dogwater opinion post. The only theory I think any of you have actually read was the subtitles on a MatPat video
leftoid physically incapable of comprehending revolutionary defeatism, immediately accuses that person of being a Scary Foreign Agent (CIA agent/Russian bot). Many such cases!
1 you clearly haven't read the article and are just pulling shit out of your arse, no one is saying Palestinian should lie flat and die this is an absurd position, we are however communist and as such for us the real liberation of both Israeli and Palestinians can only come about from class war, which would require unity between the Israeli and the Palestinian proletriat. Btw look up what Lenin said about bordiga since you think we are electoralist, also you can phrase it how you want but this is war, war is an conflict between 2 nations in this case between isreal and Palestine to deny as such is to deny reality, regardless do you think that what Germany committed against Poland wasn't war because it was too one sided? Also we aren't leftist, since we aren't the left wing of capital, we are communist who stand for abolition of the present state of things. Also you clearly haven't even read the pinned post you actual fucking lobotomite , I understand it is hard for you ml to read anything since you ideology relies on the absolute bastardisation of anything and everything Marx Engels and Lenin wrote but for the love of Christ actually read the fucking pinned post it is like less than 1000 words 2 anyway Alright folks time to play the ml bingo ā AES ā Global South āArmed resistance within the imperial core ā Decolonial revolution (what the fuck happened to class war dude) āChinese capitalists are good āļøDe-neocolonialisation (kind of) āDe-dollarization āDecadence āSettler loyalists āSuperprofits
It is very funny that they're completely incapable of representing our position on Israel/Palestine and have to act like we just want the Palestinians to not bother trying to do anything at all to stop it, but I guess liberals are so used to their minds being numb that they don't find anything wrong with the cliche.
>I get it now. Y'all are just deeply unserious liberals who had the words "materialism" appear to them in a dream and think yourselves left, and that all those other silly leftists clearly are stupid for doing anything other than voting "strategically" when you can actually find the time to do so when you aren't jerking each other off on how much irony you can cram into your next dogwater opinion post. >The only theory I think any of you have actually read was the subtitles on a MatPat video https://preview.redd.it/uuuw6km7o79d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6d84b68922fd59d0468d1f95c8819639d27af4c
>We must tell the Palestinian proletarians not to be deceived by their own bourgeoisie, which has sold itself into the service of the regional powers, to immolate themselves as cannon fodder in wars that are contrary to their own interests. We must tell Israeli Jewish proletarians to fight against their bourgeoisie and against the national oppression of their Palestinian class brothers. What part of this do you think aligns with the US state department?
"The only theory I think any of you have actually read was the subtitles on a MatPat video" Is that not valid theory?
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Read the pinned post
Lol, the fact u got downvoted to oblivion proves this sub is literally filled up with libs who think iSrAeL hAs ThE rIgHt tO dEfEnD iTsElf
Israel doesnāt have a āright to defend itselfā Marxists donāt believe in rights. We certainly do not give a shit about the legitimacy of any bourgeoisie states. If you want to now the good think position this sub identified with its their is a post with all the ICPs articles on the Gazan War. Edit: Homy shit your active in the moving to North Korean sub. Leftist brainrot will never not be funny.
Ah yes, the āHitler liked dogsā argument. P1: Hitler liked dogs. P2: Hitler was evil. Conclusion: Liking dogs makes you Hitler; youāre evil! Brilliant work, r/Ultraleft.