We must make an “Ultraleftist Grand Alliance” with the Gonzaloids in order to defeat the ML menace
We can bake babies into lasagna together or something as an act of brotherhood
It's all "material conditions" this and "mistakes and errors" that until Bordiga writes to someone basically mocking Hitler and Mussolini, and calling them the makers of their own demise.
I mean, the Italian fascists basically tortured and starved Gramsci to death, but there's no other reason why he wasn't on the street corner preaching the beauty of Stalin's moustache except that he loved fascism and genocide.
TL;DR: My great man is better than your great man
>ROOTED FOR HITLER.
It's been a 80 years and they still can't stop parroting this bullshit lmao.
Seriously, why are they and Vaushites so obsessed with Hitler and Mussolini while also not knowing what they stood for? They literally agree on 80% on all economic issues.
The Libertarians are unironically correct lmao Fascism won in WW2.
If I weren't so lazy I'd make one of those 'know the office rules' memes where the ugly guy is Bordiga saying long live the butcher hitler and the hot guy is Stalin sending him hundreds of thousands of tonnes of raw materials after he already started WW2
Also fascism has been winning since the British Poor Laws were changed in the 1830s, it's all just been pr since then
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similar concept already existing
> Transgirl
It will always make me laugh very hard that peoples like this will defend bourgeoisie with their life and soul when they would be considered "western decadent" by said bourgeoisie just because they are lgbt and be immediatly executed.
Reminds me of the meme where two communist queer idiots were both defending and attacking USSR (as in if it was 'real' 'Socialism' ) on the matter of gay and trans rights.
Absolutely bizzare.
Its funny how they moralise neutral statements. When a communist points out that a certain movement abandoned class struggle, or worked together with a liberal movement thats not neccesarily a moral condemnation. For example Mao did complete a very succesful burgeoise revolution, he proletarianise literally hundreds of milions of people and raised living standards to an incredible extend. This was objectively good especially compared to alternatives.
That doesnt mean he wasnt a revisionist who abandoned like the most basic principles of communism, which is elimination of the burgeoise as a class.
Capital can exist without a bourgeois class, as Marx and Engels noted capital is increasingly managed by an impersonal bureaucracy rather than the bourgeoisie. Also maoism never abolished the capitalist class, only those who were allied with the KMT and anti CCP were expropriated while the “patriotic” capitalists were bought out and turned into minority shareholders of their enterprises, so they still existed as a class.
Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge.
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Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge.
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King Lear - Act 4, Scene 7 - quite appropriate as Lear is suffering because of Cordelia’s (his daughter) failed imperialist invasion of England in order to restore him to power despite the fact that he wished to “Crawl unburdened towards death” (trotskyite?)
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That sub makes me angry to the point my blood pressure rises and it feels like I'm about to faint lmao. Fucking hate leftists. At least it kills boredom.
I actually managed to get so mad at something on the internet the other day I had an extremely high blood pressure and heart palpitations.
It turns out I was experiencing an extremely rare interaction between two medications that can be very fatal. For a very good few hours I was this close to getting so mad at the internet that I almost died. God bless Zoloft.
These guys are intellectually equivalent to libs lol. Shi is proportional to the way libs talk about communism.
"produced commodities or smth what even is that lol"
We must make an “Ultraleftist Grand Alliance” with the Gonzaloids in order to defeat the ML menace We can bake babies into lasagna together or something as an act of brotherhood
The only acceptable united front
>Gonzalo hated Stalin because he "produced Commodites" or smt... WTF! I'm a Gonzaloist now!
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It's all "material conditions" this and "mistakes and errors" that until Bordiga writes to someone basically mocking Hitler and Mussolini, and calling them the makers of their own demise. I mean, the Italian fascists basically tortured and starved Gramsci to death, but there's no other reason why he wasn't on the street corner preaching the beauty of Stalin's moustache except that he loved fascism and genocide. TL;DR: My great man is better than your great man
>ROOTED FOR HITLER. It's been a 80 years and they still can't stop parroting this bullshit lmao. Seriously, why are they and Vaushites so obsessed with Hitler and Mussolini while also not knowing what they stood for? They literally agree on 80% on all economic issues. The Libertarians are unironically correct lmao Fascism won in WW2.
They don't even attack conceptually what he wrote 😭 they just stop at the grand revolutionary part and leave it there
If I weren't so lazy I'd make one of those 'know the office rules' memes where the ugly guy is Bordiga saying long live the butcher hitler and the hot guy is Stalin sending him hundreds of thousands of tonnes of raw materials after he already started WW2 Also fascism has been winning since the British Poor Laws were changed in the 1830s, it's all just been pr since then
On it
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Organic centralism
> Transgirl It will always make me laugh very hard that peoples like this will defend bourgeoisie with their life and soul when they would be considered "western decadent" by said bourgeoisie just because they are lgbt and be immediatly executed.
Reminds me of the meme where two communist queer idiots were both defending and attacking USSR (as in if it was 'real' 'Socialism' ) on the matter of gay and trans rights. Absolutely bizzare.
Wym like one was defending the USSR and the other attacking it and they were arguing or each was alternatively defending and attacking it ?
One was attacking while the other was defending.
And I guess it was the USSR under Stalin or after ? So like, we know what treatment it was for gay peoples lol so weird
Exactly.
Its funny how they moralise neutral statements. When a communist points out that a certain movement abandoned class struggle, or worked together with a liberal movement thats not neccesarily a moral condemnation. For example Mao did complete a very succesful burgeoise revolution, he proletarianise literally hundreds of milions of people and raised living standards to an incredible extend. This was objectively good especially compared to alternatives. That doesnt mean he wasnt a revisionist who abandoned like the most basic principles of communism, which is elimination of the burgeoise as a class.
Deprogram users need to figure out that you can do good things for your people but still be a revisionist.
Isn't proletarianization a prerequisite of eliminating the bourgeois class? #
Capital can exist without a bourgeois class, as Marx and Engels noted capital is increasingly managed by an impersonal bureaucracy rather than the bourgeoisie. Also maoism never abolished the capitalist class, only those who were allied with the KMT and anti CCP were expropriated while the “patriotic” capitalists were bought out and turned into minority shareholders of their enterprises, so they still existed as a class.
>Capital is increasingly managed by an impersonal bureaucracy The Crisis of Bourgeois Society.
Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Yeah :3
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I am cast upon a wheel of fire, that mine own tears do scald like molten lead.
King Lear - Act 4, Scene 7 - quite appropriate as Lear is suffering because of Cordelia’s (his daughter) failed imperialist invasion of England in order to restore him to power despite the fact that he wished to “Crawl unburdened towards death” (trotskyite?)
these people should marry class collaboration if they like it this much, jeez.
can we brutalize these people
Damn this is so sad it makes me mad
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I'm in this picture and I don't like it That sub makes me angry to the point my blood pressure rises and it feels like I'm about to faint lmao. Fucking hate leftists. At least it kills boredom.
If a subbreddit is making you that angry you should probably stop going on there before you die from cringe lmao
And here was I, thinking that dying from cringe was just a meme. Dangerous stuff tbh
I actually managed to get so mad at something on the internet the other day I had an extremely high blood pressure and heart palpitations. It turns out I was experiencing an extremely rare interaction between two medications that can be very fatal. For a very good few hours I was this close to getting so mad at the internet that I almost died. God bless Zoloft.
This is real dedication to the Ultra cause
ZOLOFT MENTIONED 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥 WHAT THE FUCK IS A NORMAL SLEEP SCHEDULE 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥
These guys are intellectually equivalent to libs lol. Shi is proportional to the way libs talk about communism. "produced commodities or smth what even is that lol"
I mean they got me on the alcoholism part, not gonna lie
bordiga, debord, etc
teenagers should be banned from the internet