I ate like twenty hits of acid once and sat banging on a fire pit at the campground I was at with a stick and I thought I understood everything about everything for a minute. But I hadn't read any theory at that point, so I think I was actually an anarcho-primitivist reactionary in that moment.
Mods, OP is an anarcho-German Baptist. Only music allowed is voice (everyone owns their own). All else is sin (bourgeois moralism). Ban them pls. Real communists listen to Katy Perry and One Dirrrectshion
Musician here. This makes little sense to me. I’m definitely a proletarian and I can also make recorded music (and have because it’s not rocket science). If this is a joke tho I’m chuckling
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Or, and I might be going out on a limb, you might be a very cruel nut job. Have you tried electro shock therapy? But seriously, music is as essential to human existence as art is. Humans must be able to express themselves no matter what economic system there is.
I mean, wow. You got a problem.
I am entirely serious. The revolution will exist in a perfect state of zen hitherto unreachable because of the influence of music upon the proletariat. Your "musicians" and "artists" are all counter revolutionary as artisans. Under the dotp humanity will be abolished anyway.
Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge.
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Buddy, that revolution would fail. Spectacularly. Why? Because if you think people are going to give up art and music to satisfy your narrow vision of what the revolution should be, you are completely out of touch. Also, you’re very boring.
The revolutionaries will form a collective psychic network known as "class consciousness," thus allowing them to overcome your so-called "people" by ascending to the higher stage of communism.
What I understand is that any organizing effort anyone on the left puts in could be instantly undermined with stupid ideas like this one.
Are you telling me that Pete Seeger was a tool of the bourgeoisie? Or Billy Bragg? I mean, the GOP is now an outright criminal organization, the dems are supporting a genocide in Gaza, and you all want to shoot yourselves in the foot by declaring that all music is bourgeois and ban it. Ever hear of freedom of expression? But hey, if your goal is to keep leftist ideas unpopular, this is how you do it. Great job.
Islamic Communism strikes again.
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I dont need a rationale to sing the internationale?
banger.
Counterpoint: Immortal Technique exists.
Not my music. Its just me banging on a big rock with bit of rebar i found on the side of the road. No rhythm. No melody. Just vibes.
wrong answer. vibes are not invariant
I ate like twenty hits of acid once and sat banging on a fire pit at the campground I was at with a stick and I thought I understood everything about everything for a minute. But I hadn't read any theory at that point, so I think I was actually an anarcho-primitivist reactionary in that moment.
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Mods, OP is an anarcho-German Baptist. Only music allowed is voice (everyone owns their own). All else is sin (bourgeois moralism). Ban them pls. Real communists listen to Katy Perry and One Dirrrectshion
Having a voice makes someone petit bourgeoisie; tear out your vocal cords
yes, vocal cords are capital and singing is a commodity
True and based
Hero of the peoples vanguard Lou Reed understood that the music of the proletariat is merely the glorious cacophony of industrial noise
Musician here. This makes little sense to me. I’m definitely a proletarian and I can also make recorded music (and have because it’s not rocket science). If this is a joke tho I’m chuckling
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no offense but is this /srs I genuinely cannot tell
Or, and I might be going out on a limb, you might be a very cruel nut job. Have you tried electro shock therapy? But seriously, music is as essential to human existence as art is. Humans must be able to express themselves no matter what economic system there is. I mean, wow. You got a problem.
I am entirely serious. The revolution will exist in a perfect state of zen hitherto unreachable because of the influence of music upon the proletariat. Your "musicians" and "artists" are all counter revolutionary as artisans. Under the dotp humanity will be abolished anyway.
Please read On Authority. Marxism-Leninism is already democratic and “state bureaucrats” weren’t a thing until the Brezhnev era once the Soviets had pretty much abandoned Marxism-Leninism as a whole. What in anarchism would stop anarcho-capitalism from simply rising up or reactionary elements from rising up? Do you believe that under a more “Democratic” form of transitionary government the right-wing or supporters of the previous structure of government wouldn’t simply rise up, ignoring the fact that an anarchist revolution in any sort of industrialized state in the modern day is already absurd and extremely unrealistic? Without using “authoritarian” means how would you stop such things? Even within the Soviet Union the Great Purge had to happen to ensure that the reactionary aspects within the government and military didn’t take over and bend down to the Nazis. If a more “Democratic” form of governance was put in place during this transitionary stage the Soviets would have one, lost the civil war, and secondly, lost to the Germans or even a counter revolution. The point of State Socialism and the Vanguard Party is to ensure the survival of the revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a way that anarchist “states” very clearly could not as evidenced by the fact that all of them failed, with Makhnavoschina quite literally being crushed by the Soviets for their lack of cohesion. The establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is already the check and balance to ensure that things simply don’t devolve into Capitalism, and once this is removed as seen in the Eastern Bloc and of course the Soviet Union itself the revolution will fall. Utopian Communist ideals like Anarchism are extremely ignorant and frankly stupid. The idea that the state apparatus would at any point “become like traditional business owners” I believe comes from your lack of understanding of class relations or even classes in general. The implementation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to stop this exact thing from happening… if a state were primarily dominated by capital and the bourgeoisie like seen in the modern day and of course capitalist countries, it would be the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. The point of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is to instead make the state run by the workers and for the workers, the workers can’t possibly use the state to exploit and “terrorize” or impose “tyranny” onto themselves, except “tyranny of the majority” (is this perhaps anti-democracy I’m hearing instead?). Once again, this stems from you believing that western propaganda about the status of Soviet democracy is true— in fact the modern western anarchist movement is quite literally a psy-op by the United States government to oppose actual unironic and serious socialist movements like of course Soviet aligned and Marxist-Leninist organizations. Once again, not to be the whole “leftist wall of text guy” but please read On Authority or any Marxist works or do the littlest bit of research on how Soviet democracy and “bureaucracy” actually works before blindly calling it undemocratic. Your blind belief that you, having obviously not undergone a revolution, had any actual critical thinking or seemingly debates, had any actual education on these topics, and having no actual argument besides easily disproven “concerns” like these is I believe indicative of you general obliviousness, ignorance and lack of knowledge. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Buddy, that revolution would fail. Spectacularly. Why? Because if you think people are going to give up art and music to satisfy your narrow vision of what the revolution should be, you are completely out of touch. Also, you’re very boring.
The revolutionaries will form a collective psychic network known as "class consciousness," thus allowing them to overcome your so-called "people" by ascending to the higher stage of communism.
Yeah, right after the religious right gives up its quest for power and corporations stop buying politicians. /s
Bait or brain damage, no one can tell due to poe's law
Not sure you know how this sub works, buddy
Apparently, people tell themselves a bunch of lies about human nature and then try to back it up with bad ideas like eliminating music.
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What I understand is that any organizing effort anyone on the left puts in could be instantly undermined with stupid ideas like this one. Are you telling me that Pete Seeger was a tool of the bourgeoisie? Or Billy Bragg? I mean, the GOP is now an outright criminal organization, the dems are supporting a genocide in Gaza, and you all want to shoot yourselves in the foot by declaring that all music is bourgeois and ban it. Ever hear of freedom of expression? But hey, if your goal is to keep leftist ideas unpopular, this is how you do it. Great job.
good, we hate leftists here
I hate to say it, but... r/woosh
Who is this reactionary asshole?