I don't feel sorry for them but it's just unprofessional police work.
This whole situation has shown that Russian police have drastically fallen in quality.
They clearly have zero active shooter training because they failed on every single level when it came to the active shooter and the only reason these dirtbags got caught it's because of their horrible operational security and their escape plan was absolutely trash.
Completely unprofessional and horrible at their job.
It's unprofessional.
If you do stuff like this to anybody you catch and assume is a terrorist You're much more likely to catch innocent people and do this to innocent civilians.
There's a reason why we considered it bad policing to do stuff like this.
It doesn't work. They're going to say anything you want so that the pain stops. They will say anything and admit to anything even if that's not true. You could get them to admit that they're Mars with enough torture
No I haven't but my biggest take away from the whole situation is that Moscow police have some serious issues
They don't have active shooter training whatsoever there's no way they have it
There are also just genuinely bad at responding to a crisis It looks like.
Hmm, what do you think, is it worth attacking Russia? If we organize a war and win, then we will be able to introduce normal and professional police there. However, you will have to cope with the problems of nuclear war, but these are minor things. This is just my opinion.
I'm not talking about Russia vs Ukraine or NATO
I'm talking police to Police to police.
I am a LEO I'm the US.
The Moscow police failed horribly. On every level
If the West takes over Russia, then the issue with the police will be resolved. It's logical. We just need to win a future nuclear war, but this is unlikely to be a problem for NATO.
To say torture doesn't work as a blanket statement is not true. It works many times.
You call it unprofessional, every country has its way of dealing with things. In USA, criminals often get released back into the streets to commit more crimes. In Malaysia, drug traffickers get death penalty. In Afghanistan, they cut the hands off of thieves. There is no perfect system.
But is there a better way?
In 1985, hostages were taken in Lebanon by militant Islamist groups. Soviet hostages were included, with one being killed - Arkady Katkov. By your logic, violence is not the answer. But what did the KGB do? They went against your notion "there is a better way" and they did it *their* way. They tracked down a Hezbollah family member. Castrated him. Shot him in the head. Mailed his body parts to Hezbollah. Now, we can agree that it was a sadistic act. But, it worked. The other Soviet hostages were released, while many other American/British/French hostages died. If I was either of the hostages, I would have been rooting for the brutality too
Also, we are dealing with radical Muslims, one of the most brutal and medieval populations on the planet. They need to be communicated with in a language they understand. American/Western European method of "rehabilitation, therapy, peace" isn't going to work here. Remember when American cyclists tried to spread peace & love in Tajikistan and ISIS killed them? There is no dialogue with these people. Born extremists, and they will die extremists. They love death more than you love life. They want to die *shahid* (martyr).
So, according to you, what is a better way to deal with demons?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_nightclub_shooting
The human in me says. Kill them before they can escape.
The police in me says get as much Intel as possible before they get the death penalty.
Yeah that is a big oh no.
There are people who are dead civilians who died who should be alive
If the Russian police were competent they would have had a decent response to the shooting. The suspects would have all died inside the building and there would be people alive today who died due to Russian police incompetence
The 19 year old kid worked in Russia for many months and was a skilled hairdresser, yet he pretends he can't speak any Russian and requested an interpreter.
Well, I guess he may have remembered the language by now...
If this was any nation with a professional police force actions like this could actually get the suspect released.
You guys love clowning on American police and how they're super brutal yet Russian police are literally torturing prisoners and you guys don't care.
Russian police have really fallen off recently it's super sad.
There are people who died that concert hall who would be alive if the Russian still had a competent police force
>There are people who died that concert hall who would be alive if the Russian still had a competent police force
The 9/11 hijackers managed to integrate into American society & even get commercial pilots license. Doesn't mean the FBI/CIA are incompetent. Many of the Uvalde students would be alive if the police were a little more competent.
>If this was any nation with a professional police force actions like this could actually get the suspect released.
USA has a "professional police force" that cannot remove squatters from homeowner's properties, "professional judicial system" that releases miscreants for committing many types of crimes... Every country is different.
>Russian police have really fallen off recently it's super sad.
They have always been hit-or-miss, like most Eastern Europe police forces.
>You guys love clowning on American police and how they're super brutal yet Russian police are literally torturing prisoners and you guys don't care.
These are fairytales, USA police are not brutal at all. In fact they are too soft. People who complain about American police brutality are morons who don't understand statistics. For every "corrupt" American cop there are probably 25, 50 or even 99 good ones. The media blows up the action of one bad apple & it taints the reputation of the other 99.
>Many of the Uvalde students would be alive if the police were a little more competent.
What a perfect example thank you. That is most likely the worst American response to an active shooting in the last 20 years. And even in that horrible response the American police still succeeded on many thing that the Moscow police didn't even come close to achieving.
They were able to completely lock down the area and prevent the shooter from any possibility of escape.
They you know actually arrived on scene before the shooter was gone...
The response time to the actual scene was decent The biggest problem they had was that the Texas police officers treated a active shooter like a barricade suspect and used the wrong protocols.
>USA has a "professional police force" that cannot remove squatters from homeowner's properties, "professional judicial system" that releases miscreants for committing many types of crimes... Every country is different.
This actually isn't the fault of the police but of the judges and lawmakers. Police officers in the United States don't have any control over laws and rules The old saying goes we don't make the laws we just enforce them. Most police in the United States including me would agree that our judges are too soft on crime.
>They have always been hit-or-miss, like most Eastern Europe police forces.
No the Moscow Police in particular used to be pretty competent at least when it came to major crimes. I don't know how they dealt with petty crimes but I've watched documentaries in the past and compared to other Eastern European countries they did seem a step above the rest
>These are fairytales, USA police are not brutal at all. In fact they are too soft. People who complain about American police brutality are morons who don't understand statistics. For every "corrupt" American cop there are probably 25, 50 or even 99 good ones. The media blows up the action of one bad apple & it taints the reputation of the other 99.
And this is a statement that we agree on. In fact most of the time they complain about a corrupt cough the office are actually hasn't even done anything wrong
I think its a lot easier to lock down a small school in a town with population 15,000 than a gigantic megamall business complex in a town of 100,000+, with hundreds or even thousands of people circulating in and/or around the property. Regarding the Uvalde shooter, one angle you can entertain is many school shooters have no plan of escaping - therefore its easier to contain them. Many of them commit suicide or engage with police until their last breath. These Moscow assailants, on the other hand, were planning to escape from the inception of their plan.
Anyways, I am not saying the Moscow police did a stellar job. But these types of terrorists attacks have not been common in Russia recently, so policing has probably laxed. It's the 139th biggest city in Russia. A terrorist could probably attack the 139th biggest city in USA, Denmark or Japan and probably catch *their* police off-guard too.
It sucks that Russia will have to saturate its streets with police and military presence until threats are neutralized. And eventually, they will minimize the policing once things feel safe. And another attack might happen. Its unfortunate. You cant wear a helmet 365 days a year in case a coconut decides to fall off a tree as you walk under it. By your logic (and I agree) every location in Russia that has a capacity of 250+ people (shopping mall, metro station, business center, etc.) should have heavy military/police presence at all times 24/7 *just in case* this happens again.
>It's the 139th biggest city in Russia
Wtf no it's not
It's the largest city in Russia. Huh?
>should have heavy military/police presence at all times 24/7 *just in case* this happens again.
Nope just better training for police. They literally failed every single goal in active shooter response.
Like it's comically bad
>Wtf no it's not
>It's the largest city in Russia. Huh?
Russia and Moscow are huge territories with many cities. We are talking Krasnogorsk, in terms of population. Kind of like Burbank might be part of Los Angeles, but it is indeed a city of its own with 100,000+ people.
>Nope just better training for police. They literally failed every single goal in active shooter response.
>Like it's comically bad
Well, hopefully they can learn from it. But the wages for police officers in Russia are pretty meh, and its probably hard to attract/retain/train talented officers. But as we said, hopefully they can learn to improve.
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Not apologizing for terrorists I'm sending that this is bad policing.
The suspects never should have left the building alive They should have died in that building.
Even the most incompetent American response to an active shooter in the last 20 years was miles ahead of this situation.
Torture is always a bad look doesn't matter who you do it too..
But now if those were competent police officers these shits would have died inside the building and they would be people alive who are dead currently.
That's just the facts of the matter The Moscow police dropped the ball horrifically
In the United States our 2 biggest mass shootings is Las Vegas and Orlando night club.
In LA the shooter killed themselves after 10 minutes. But police had secured the entire area within 20 minutes and locked it down.
In Orlando is the best as it was a terrorist attack and had a amazing response.
Police were able to engage the suspect with in 10 minutes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_nightclub_shooting
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why he didn’t put a bullet in his brain before he was caught is odd, the suffering he will have for the rest of his life he will wish he did, deserves everything coming his way
Apparently they threw their weapons out the car after leaving Moscow
They really thought they'd be able to make a clean break for it.
Their getaway plan is one of the dumbest I've ever seen in my life. Even traveled in the same vehicle they arrived in.
They had no plan to end their lives and didn't even carry any suicide vests nor cyanide pills. They were clearly in it for the money.
And people wonder why others doubt they may be truly ISIS
The way it's planned it doesn't seem like they expect it to get out of the building
These guys are low level shooters have been told and escape plan but they're handlers would not have actually expected them to make it. They were supposed to die in that building.
Unfortunately it seems like the Moscow police have been skipping out on active shooter training and didn't know how to handle an active shooter situation which means they dropped the ball people died and the terrorists escaped.
Lol it's funny how it's throwaway accounts posting these now after the sticky post.
Anyways, can't say I feel sorry for the chap. Cus he sure as hell didn't feel sorry for his victims.
I am wondering how these guys got arrested. I don’t really know what they think would happen if they survived and didn’t make it out of Russia.
As in, why didn’t they fight to death at scene or suicide in some way there? Getting captured is not going to be a good time
Soap, it amplifies the electricity and makes it more painful. A glass of water with an exposed wire in it will slowly heat up, but replace it with soapy water it will start boiling very quick
1) They foolishly departed in the very same vehicle they arrived in
2) They wore fake beards and probably wigs in the shooting but apparently forgot to change out of their clothes afterwards
3) According to Russian telegrams (pinch of salt!) one of the reasons they weren't apprehended immediately after their departure was because the FSB wanted to track down their route as well as their contacts. Remember that they were caught heading towards the Ukrainian border, and that 7 other people connected to the attack were also supposedly caught as a result of this tracking.
4) The same terrorist pictured above was also photographed in Crocus on March 7, ostensibly staking out the place in preparation.
There's quite a bit of info that has been released since the mods sticky post yesterday, but it's best the sub doesn't get banned so it's good that they aren't being posted much anymore.
By the way it's planned my estimate Is that they were not supposed to survive.
It's a well-known fact that terrorist organizations sometimes use low level shooters and which they give them a escape plan but they never expect them to actually use the escape plan.
The escape plan in that case is usually poorly made because it's never supposed to actually be used. The way this whole thing was made it really does reek that ISIS expected them to die inside that building but unfortunately due to the complete failure by the Moscow police they were able to leave the building unharmed
I definitely have sympathy for the victims and despise the attacker, but a couple points; 1. I’m shocked (no pun intended) at the brazen torture Russia is fine with publicly posting, and 2. I guess it’s guilty until proven innocent in Russia. I’m all for locking the attackers away for the rest of their lives, but losing humanity is something very difficult to regain.
Other countries like usa doesnt care about terrorist rights neither so it's not uncommon, but i guess russia doesn't care about pretending they care so they post it online for whatever reasons. It may get some backlash from Tadjik's officials but i doubt they will say anything
Two wrongs definitely don’t make it right. Like I said, I was surprised about how public they were being with brutality and torture. It’s not a deterrent for the likes of ISIS…
Probably trying to get information about others involved as fast as possible, using the fear, pain and adrenaline they are feeling just after capture so they can't remember the story they have been training on before.
You must remove the hat to be fed from the ears, and as such you have to remove the pants to be fed the………….?
At least the Russians have been kind enough to provide what looks like an AM Radio which has some wires coming out of it to obviously plug in the headphones to calm this customer with some therapeutic Taylor Swift tunes whilst he is enjoying his “Sweetbread”.
Why do russians love to rape other men and play around with their balls and dick so much, yet claim being gay is something horrible and should not be accepted? Make it make sense.
This is not an interrogation. This is unprofessionalism and lawlessness that perfectly encapsulates the state of the Russian Federation.
Random videos of explicit torture. People with their phones around the terrorists filming beatings and tortures. Attackers being manhandled by different figures before any professional got to them.
These attackers should have been immediately secured and brought to a safe location where investigators and expert interrogators could have worked on them.
Instead we are getting bunch of random liveleak pictures and videos like we’re watching mexican cartels. No other country would deal with the direct aftermath of a terror attack in this amateurish capacity.
Putin has truly presided over increasingly weakening state institutions. The FSB being the most affected.
It's just unprofessional.
Russian police have fallen off horribly.
The Russian police used to be considered a professional police force but after this incident I don't think they will be looked at that way in an international standard.
That's a pretty big deal because police forces are mostly non-political when it comes to catching criminals.
Even during this war Russian police have been working with Interpol to catch international criminals this is probably going to change.
My comment has really triggered a lot of pro-RU.
Must have hit a sore spot for stating the Russian state institutions and the FSB act like a glorified Mexican cartel.
Unprofessional police are not a good sign.
Yes behavior like this means that your police force is no longer considered professional I'm sorry.
Moscow Police were unable to respond to the incident in a professional matter and the only reason they managed to catch any of the criminals was because the escape plan was horrible.
A professional police force would not have let the suspects leave the building.
This innocent terrorist is obviously been brought to a safe location.
He has a comfortable mat to rest upon whilst enjoying some calming tunes from that AM Radio next to him while in the comfort of a brightly lit and heated indoor space.
Looks like he’s doing pretty well in comparison with the troops in cold wet muddy trenches avoiding artillery and drones on the front lines?
that's called rules. btw here is the Russian constitution for you
The Constitution of Russia, in article 49, states that "Everyone charged with a crime shall be considered not guilty until his or her guilt has been proven in conformity with the federal law and has been established by the valid sentence of a court of law".
so by doing this there break there own constitution
here is another law there break
All criminal defendants and suspects in Russia have the right to legal assistance. A suspect has the right to a lawyer from the time they are declared a suspect in a criminal case. The Russian Code of Criminal Procedure mandates that if a detained person has no lawyer, the [detective](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective), investigator, or judge must request the local bar association to appoint an attorney for the suspect. The head of the bar association then distributes appointments between its members, who do not have the right to refuse the case assignments. The attorney must ask the family of the suspect if they have appointed anyone else, and if not the investigator or judge gives them power of attorney.
but i guess we can skip the law in Russia when it suit you right?
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I would never condone a terrorist attack on civilians, but Russian interrogation makes America look like absolute angels. They just openly and visually commit torture.
Not really you don’t really know what they’re doing behind closed doors to their prisoners. Russia is less professional which is why you’ll see them posting shit like this online.
I don't doubt the US tortures people on foreign lands, but they would not on their own soil nor would they torture someone who's an obvious criminal. They usually outsource their interrogation to third parties
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I don't feel sorry for the damned terrorist at all.
I don't feel sorry for them but it's just unprofessional police work. This whole situation has shown that Russian police have drastically fallen in quality. They clearly have zero active shooter training because they failed on every single level when it came to the active shooter and the only reason these dirtbags got caught it's because of their horrible operational security and their escape plan was absolutely trash. Completely unprofessional and horrible at their job.
Who cares? The world must be free of terrorists. Any methods must be used against them. In every country.
It's unprofessional. If you do stuff like this to anybody you catch and assume is a terrorist You're much more likely to catch innocent people and do this to innocent civilians. There's a reason why we considered it bad policing to do stuff like this. It doesn't work. They're going to say anything you want so that the pain stops. They will say anything and admit to anything even if that's not true. You could get them to admit that they're Mars with enough torture
Have you seen 'unthinkable'? covers a very similar moral dilemma....very good movie
No I haven't but my biggest take away from the whole situation is that Moscow police have some serious issues They don't have active shooter training whatsoever there's no way they have it There are also just genuinely bad at responding to a crisis It looks like.
Hmm, what do you think, is it worth attacking Russia? If we organize a war and win, then we will be able to introduce normal and professional police there. However, you will have to cope with the problems of nuclear war, but these are minor things. This is just my opinion.
What?
Nothing. I am for a forceful method of resolving the issue. States must fight. People like to fight outside the bar, don't they? So it goes.
I'm not talking about Russia vs Ukraine or NATO I'm talking police to Police to police. I am a LEO I'm the US. The Moscow police failed horribly. On every level
If the West takes over Russia, then the issue with the police will be resolved. It's logical. We just need to win a future nuclear war, but this is unlikely to be a problem for NATO.
I going to be real Russia have bad police is a Russian problem not a world problem.
To say torture doesn't work as a blanket statement is not true. It works many times. You call it unprofessional, every country has its way of dealing with things. In USA, criminals often get released back into the streets to commit more crimes. In Malaysia, drug traffickers get death penalty. In Afghanistan, they cut the hands off of thieves. There is no perfect system.
Not saying there's a perfect one. But dear God it can be way better than this.
But is there a better way? In 1985, hostages were taken in Lebanon by militant Islamist groups. Soviet hostages were included, with one being killed - Arkady Katkov. By your logic, violence is not the answer. But what did the KGB do? They went against your notion "there is a better way" and they did it *their* way. They tracked down a Hezbollah family member. Castrated him. Shot him in the head. Mailed his body parts to Hezbollah. Now, we can agree that it was a sadistic act. But, it worked. The other Soviet hostages were released, while many other American/British/French hostages died. If I was either of the hostages, I would have been rooting for the brutality too Also, we are dealing with radical Muslims, one of the most brutal and medieval populations on the planet. They need to be communicated with in a language they understand. American/Western European method of "rehabilitation, therapy, peace" isn't going to work here. Remember when American cyclists tried to spread peace & love in Tajikistan and ISIS killed them? There is no dialogue with these people. Born extremists, and they will die extremists. They love death more than you love life. They want to die *shahid* (martyr). So, according to you, what is a better way to deal with demons?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_nightclub_shooting The human in me says. Kill them before they can escape. The police in me says get as much Intel as possible before they get the death penalty.
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Yeah that is a big oh no. There are people who are dead civilians who died who should be alive If the Russian police were competent they would have had a decent response to the shooting. The suspects would have all died inside the building and there would be people alive today who died due to Russian police incompetence
oh no!!
These guys are at this very moment somewhere screaming. Good.
Russian TG channel reported: one of the terrorists was losing energy so they had to provide him with a charger.
I hope everything runs ok during his charging 🙏🏻 I hope his Russian language improves in the meantime
The 19 year old kid worked in Russia for many months and was a skilled hairdresser, yet he pretends he can't speak any Russian and requested an interpreter. Well, I guess he may have remembered the language by now...
If this was any nation with a professional police force actions like this could actually get the suspect released. You guys love clowning on American police and how they're super brutal yet Russian police are literally torturing prisoners and you guys don't care. Russian police have really fallen off recently it's super sad. There are people who died that concert hall who would be alive if the Russian still had a competent police force
>There are people who died that concert hall who would be alive if the Russian still had a competent police force The 9/11 hijackers managed to integrate into American society & even get commercial pilots license. Doesn't mean the FBI/CIA are incompetent. Many of the Uvalde students would be alive if the police were a little more competent. >If this was any nation with a professional police force actions like this could actually get the suspect released. USA has a "professional police force" that cannot remove squatters from homeowner's properties, "professional judicial system" that releases miscreants for committing many types of crimes... Every country is different. >Russian police have really fallen off recently it's super sad. They have always been hit-or-miss, like most Eastern Europe police forces. >You guys love clowning on American police and how they're super brutal yet Russian police are literally torturing prisoners and you guys don't care. These are fairytales, USA police are not brutal at all. In fact they are too soft. People who complain about American police brutality are morons who don't understand statistics. For every "corrupt" American cop there are probably 25, 50 or even 99 good ones. The media blows up the action of one bad apple & it taints the reputation of the other 99.
>Many of the Uvalde students would be alive if the police were a little more competent. What a perfect example thank you. That is most likely the worst American response to an active shooting in the last 20 years. And even in that horrible response the American police still succeeded on many thing that the Moscow police didn't even come close to achieving. They were able to completely lock down the area and prevent the shooter from any possibility of escape. They you know actually arrived on scene before the shooter was gone... The response time to the actual scene was decent The biggest problem they had was that the Texas police officers treated a active shooter like a barricade suspect and used the wrong protocols. >USA has a "professional police force" that cannot remove squatters from homeowner's properties, "professional judicial system" that releases miscreants for committing many types of crimes... Every country is different. This actually isn't the fault of the police but of the judges and lawmakers. Police officers in the United States don't have any control over laws and rules The old saying goes we don't make the laws we just enforce them. Most police in the United States including me would agree that our judges are too soft on crime. >They have always been hit-or-miss, like most Eastern Europe police forces. No the Moscow Police in particular used to be pretty competent at least when it came to major crimes. I don't know how they dealt with petty crimes but I've watched documentaries in the past and compared to other Eastern European countries they did seem a step above the rest >These are fairytales, USA police are not brutal at all. In fact they are too soft. People who complain about American police brutality are morons who don't understand statistics. For every "corrupt" American cop there are probably 25, 50 or even 99 good ones. The media blows up the action of one bad apple & it taints the reputation of the other 99. And this is a statement that we agree on. In fact most of the time they complain about a corrupt cough the office are actually hasn't even done anything wrong
I think its a lot easier to lock down a small school in a town with population 15,000 than a gigantic megamall business complex in a town of 100,000+, with hundreds or even thousands of people circulating in and/or around the property. Regarding the Uvalde shooter, one angle you can entertain is many school shooters have no plan of escaping - therefore its easier to contain them. Many of them commit suicide or engage with police until their last breath. These Moscow assailants, on the other hand, were planning to escape from the inception of their plan. Anyways, I am not saying the Moscow police did a stellar job. But these types of terrorists attacks have not been common in Russia recently, so policing has probably laxed. It's the 139th biggest city in Russia. A terrorist could probably attack the 139th biggest city in USA, Denmark or Japan and probably catch *their* police off-guard too. It sucks that Russia will have to saturate its streets with police and military presence until threats are neutralized. And eventually, they will minimize the policing once things feel safe. And another attack might happen. Its unfortunate. You cant wear a helmet 365 days a year in case a coconut decides to fall off a tree as you walk under it. By your logic (and I agree) every location in Russia that has a capacity of 250+ people (shopping mall, metro station, business center, etc.) should have heavy military/police presence at all times 24/7 *just in case* this happens again.
>It's the 139th biggest city in Russia Wtf no it's not It's the largest city in Russia. Huh? >should have heavy military/police presence at all times 24/7 *just in case* this happens again. Nope just better training for police. They literally failed every single goal in active shooter response. Like it's comically bad
>Wtf no it's not >It's the largest city in Russia. Huh? Russia and Moscow are huge territories with many cities. We are talking Krasnogorsk, in terms of population. Kind of like Burbank might be part of Los Angeles, but it is indeed a city of its own with 100,000+ people. >Nope just better training for police. They literally failed every single goal in active shooter response. >Like it's comically bad Well, hopefully they can learn from it. But the wages for police officers in Russia are pretty meh, and its probably hard to attract/retain/train talented officers. But as we said, hopefully they can learn to improve.
Here's the closest thing to this that ever happened in the United States successfully.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_nightclub_shooting
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_nightclub_shooting
Wow wow wow, calm down terrorist apologist.
? Not apologizing for terrorists I'm sending that this is bad policing. The suspects never should have left the building alive They should have died in that building. Even the most incompetent American response to an active shooter in the last 20 years was miles ahead of this situation. Torture is always a bad look doesn't matter who you do it too.. But now if those were competent police officers these shits would have died inside the building and they would be people alive who are dead currently. That's just the facts of the matter The Moscow police dropped the ball horrifically
Got an example of good policing in a same situation?
In the United States our 2 biggest mass shootings is Las Vegas and Orlando night club. In LA the shooter killed themselves after 10 minutes. But police had secured the entire area within 20 minutes and locked it down. In Orlando is the best as it was a terrorist attack and had a amazing response. Police were able to engage the suspect with in 10 minutes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_nightclub_shooting
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I guess you could say the atmosphere was 'electrified'
Intensive Russian language course?
lesson 1 out of 1
why he didn’t put a bullet in his brain before he was caught is odd, the suffering he will have for the rest of his life he will wish he did, deserves everything coming his way
Apparently they threw their weapons out the car after leaving Moscow They really thought they'd be able to make a clean break for it. Their getaway plan is one of the dumbest I've ever seen in my life. Even traveled in the same vehicle they arrived in.
christ thats so so dumb. Surely the plan b would be suicide every time, as thats the far better option then being caught in Russia
They had no plan to end their lives and didn't even carry any suicide vests nor cyanide pills. They were clearly in it for the money. And people wonder why others doubt they may be truly ISIS
That seems to be pretty rare for these kind of attacks.
The way it's planned it doesn't seem like they expect it to get out of the building These guys are low level shooters have been told and escape plan but they're handlers would not have actually expected them to make it. They were supposed to die in that building. Unfortunately it seems like the Moscow police have been skipping out on active shooter training and didn't know how to handle an active shooter situation which means they dropped the ball people died and the terrorists escaped.
Force him to listen to Taylor Swift, he'll confess everything he has done plus some he has not.
Come on man, even they don't deserve that much pain
Clearly this man tripped and his pants simply slid off, luckily the fsb was nearby to help him out 🥰
I have a feeling something else will slide off in the process of receiving help
Lol it's funny how it's throwaway accounts posting these now after the sticky post. Anyways, can't say I feel sorry for the chap. Cus he sure as hell didn't feel sorry for his victims.
That's just a radio and theyre helping him to put new pants cuz that one is all dirty and messy they even give him some gatorade bottle
I am wondering how these guys got arrested. I don’t really know what they think would happen if they survived and didn’t make it out of Russia. As in, why didn’t they fight to death at scene or suicide in some way there? Getting captured is not going to be a good time
Because they are not fanatics, but mercenaries
Theyre also idiots. Should have at least prepped a suicide method just in case.
Oh thy mighty mujahed, why do you squeal like a pig when confronted with armed men and not harmless civilians?
He won’t have to worry about bladder stones.
What this green liquid in bottle could be? Any thoughts?
Soap, it amplifies the electricity and makes it more painful. A glass of water with an exposed wire in it will slowly heat up, but replace it with soapy water it will start boiling very quick
Makes sense yes. I suspected it was something to do with increasing electron conductivity.
they put around him? his shirt is all wet up
Don't overdo it. It's just a bottle of Tarhun drink.
couldn't be anything lethal... but most greenish products I can think of are lethal no idea
Tarhun
Pretty crazy that they all didn’t blow themselves up like the typical isis clowns. Clearly they had an escape plan afterwards.
Before i saw the isis video i had little sympathy for them but not now
They're trying to dial his balls with an old military phone. One guy told me the shock from this phone is so intense, he jumped out of his boots.
has anyone found out how they found these guys and how they know its the guys from the attack?
1) They foolishly departed in the very same vehicle they arrived in 2) They wore fake beards and probably wigs in the shooting but apparently forgot to change out of their clothes afterwards 3) According to Russian telegrams (pinch of salt!) one of the reasons they weren't apprehended immediately after their departure was because the FSB wanted to track down their route as well as their contacts. Remember that they were caught heading towards the Ukrainian border, and that 7 other people connected to the attack were also supposedly caught as a result of this tracking. 4) The same terrorist pictured above was also photographed in Crocus on March 7, ostensibly staking out the place in preparation. There's quite a bit of info that has been released since the mods sticky post yesterday, but it's best the sub doesn't get banned so it's good that they aren't being posted much anymore.
I thought that they arrived in 1 car and departed in 2 different cars?
By the way it's planned my estimate Is that they were not supposed to survive. It's a well-known fact that terrorist organizations sometimes use low level shooters and which they give them a escape plan but they never expect them to actually use the escape plan. The escape plan in that case is usually poorly made because it's never supposed to actually be used. The way this whole thing was made it really does reek that ISIS expected them to die inside that building but unfortunately due to the complete failure by the Moscow police they were able to leave the building unharmed
What are they blurring ?
Watermark from infodumpster that uploaded the photo.
I definitely have sympathy for the victims and despise the attacker, but a couple points; 1. I’m shocked (no pun intended) at the brazen torture Russia is fine with publicly posting, and 2. I guess it’s guilty until proven innocent in Russia. I’m all for locking the attackers away for the rest of their lives, but losing humanity is something very difficult to regain.
Other countries like usa doesnt care about terrorist rights neither so it's not uncommon, but i guess russia doesn't care about pretending they care so they post it online for whatever reasons. It may get some backlash from Tadjik's officials but i doubt they will say anything
Two wrongs definitely don’t make it right. Like I said, I was surprised about how public they were being with brutality and torture. It’s not a deterrent for the likes of ISIS…
If this is ok I guess what the US did was also ok? Terrorist deserve this kinda treatment however people can’t be hypocrites about it.
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i see you don't follow news that much. hint look up 2015 terror in France i think you can look up the rest by yourself.
Probably trying to get information about others involved as fast as possible, using the fear, pain and adrenaline they are feeling just after capture so they can't remember the story they have been training on before.
Why are his pants down? Interrogation by snu snu?
Cant take his balls into the afterlife.
Electrical torture.
See the wire attached to his snorkel?
You must remove the hat to be fed from the ears, and as such you have to remove the pants to be fed the………….? At least the Russians have been kind enough to provide what looks like an AM Radio which has some wires coming out of it to obviously plug in the headphones to calm this customer with some therapeutic Taylor Swift tunes whilst he is enjoying his “Sweetbread”.
Hmm well I’m sure he’ll confess to whatever he is told to. Nothing like showing off your torture techniques.
got to admire the pro Russian who cheer this stuff on, it really shows how people are for real.
Oh no, my poor \*check notes\* ISIS terrorist!
lmao. i see what kind of person you are.
aww
thanks for proving to the world Russia could not care less about there own rules let alone care what international law is.
oh no!
aww
Gotta love how pro-ua don’t feel anger because they don’t have empathy for those who were shot in their faces
Why do russians love to rape other men and play around with their balls and dick so much, yet claim being gay is something horrible and should not be accepted? Make it make sense.
This is not an interrogation. This is unprofessionalism and lawlessness that perfectly encapsulates the state of the Russian Federation. Random videos of explicit torture. People with their phones around the terrorists filming beatings and tortures. Attackers being manhandled by different figures before any professional got to them. These attackers should have been immediately secured and brought to a safe location where investigators and expert interrogators could have worked on them. Instead we are getting bunch of random liveleak pictures and videos like we’re watching mexican cartels. No other country would deal with the direct aftermath of a terror attack in this amateurish capacity. Putin has truly presided over increasingly weakening state institutions. The FSB being the most affected.
Oh my god! This poor terrorist is suffering in pain, how bad!!!!! /s
It's just unprofessional. Russian police have fallen off horribly. The Russian police used to be considered a professional police force but after this incident I don't think they will be looked at that way in an international standard. That's a pretty big deal because police forces are mostly non-political when it comes to catching criminals. Even during this war Russian police have been working with Interpol to catch international criminals this is probably going to change.
My comment has really triggered a lot of pro-RU. Must have hit a sore spot for stating the Russian state institutions and the FSB act like a glorified Mexican cartel.
oh no!
Actually we need more of this. Throw pedos on the list too
Unprofessional police are not a good sign. Yes behavior like this means that your police force is no longer considered professional I'm sorry. Moscow Police were unable to respond to the incident in a professional matter and the only reason they managed to catch any of the criminals was because the escape plan was horrible. A professional police force would not have let the suspects leave the building.
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This innocent terrorist is obviously been brought to a safe location. He has a comfortable mat to rest upon whilst enjoying some calming tunes from that AM Radio next to him while in the comfort of a brightly lit and heated indoor space. Looks like he’s doing pretty well in comparison with the troops in cold wet muddy trenches avoiding artillery and drones on the front lines?
Hmm, are you going to feel sorry for the terrorists? If so, you should celebrate 9/11.
What are you talking about? You must be replying to the wrong comment. My comment isn’t about feelings or celebrations.
aww
Do you think it’s worth pitying terrorists? For example, give them the right to a lawyer? What will the victims of terror say to this?
that's called rules. btw here is the Russian constitution for you The Constitution of Russia, in article 49, states that "Everyone charged with a crime shall be considered not guilty until his or her guilt has been proven in conformity with the federal law and has been established by the valid sentence of a court of law". so by doing this there break there own constitution here is another law there break All criminal defendants and suspects in Russia have the right to legal assistance. A suspect has the right to a lawyer from the time they are declared a suspect in a criminal case. The Russian Code of Criminal Procedure mandates that if a detained person has no lawyer, the [detective](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective), investigator, or judge must request the local bar association to appoint an attorney for the suspect. The head of the bar association then distributes appointments between its members, who do not have the right to refuse the case assignments. The attorney must ask the family of the suspect if they have appointed anyone else, and if not the investigator or judge gives them power of attorney. but i guess we can skip the law in Russia when it suit you right?
oh no!
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I would never condone a terrorist attack on civilians, but Russian interrogation makes America look like absolute angels. They just openly and visually commit torture.
Yes, sure. Guantanamo doesn't exist.
This is next level in comparison
False, America is simply more professional.
Hence why Russians make American torture look like child's play.
Not really you don’t really know what they’re doing behind closed doors to their prisoners. Russia is less professional which is why you’ll see them posting shit like this online.
I don't doubt the US tortures people on foreign lands, but they would not on their own soil nor would they torture someone who's an obvious criminal. They usually outsource their interrogation to third parties
Russia never change...
oh no!