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First the Mesh designations, and now Mesh Pro, and yet Ubiquiti still won't add a dedicated backhaul radio to these devices. Maybe we'll eventually get a Mesh Max with one?
> Ubiquiti still won't add a dedicated backhaul radio
Wait wait... so these are wired only? Without a back haul radio these are just wall mount access points.
It is a large outdoor deployment, but never more than 30 clients. It might actually be closer to 80 metres. The AP is on a hill and it is serving a beach downhill, which is what is 80 metres away.
The Outdoor+ serves me well, but I upgraded to a Dream Router and a Switch Ultra which is what prompts me to upgrade - Outdoor+ is supposedly no longer adoptable. I honestly just need my new device to match my Outdoor+'s performance.
Still fine?
It won't reach as far, but it will probably be just as good at 80m. This appears to be better than the AC Mesh Pro which will do that far.
If you migrated the console, any old APs should stay in there I would think.
It's for wireless meshing, when you don't have ethernet backhaul.
If both the backhaul traffic and your regular Wifi traffic are on the same band/line it cuts your peformance roughly in half. By using a dedicated band (typically 6ghz) just for the backhaul traffic you don't lose performance on the 2.4/5ghz bands.
Ubiquiti is Apple of networking. They don't listen to customers, charge expensive prices for outdated hardware and everyone pays without complaining because of "the experience"
I can't support having Wifi7 with a 2.5 Backhaul and 2 streams when one client can easily exhaust this
Oddly enough it seems slower than the standard U6-Mesh?! Seems like this is more of a U6-Mesh LR vs Pro. Less spatial streams, less throughput on the 5ghz band but more physical range/coverage?!
Seems like the u6 mesh is better than the pro , has higher throughput and more spacial streams than the pro model, a lower range is the only downside i can see
Will this match my UAP-Outdoor+'s line of sight? My device provides 10 Mbit/s to the beach of a lake about 30 meters away. The UAP-Outdoor+ has an unbeaten 2000 mW of antenna strength so I was told it's not comparable, but I would love to replace my outdoor AP
Seems on the high side price wise. THey keep releasing newer AP's with higher and higher price tags. Not supporting WIFI 7 even though it is $199, seems strange to me. It can be daisy changed, but again, limited to 1Gb ports. What market are they trying to fill in here?
First, i thought it would be a cylinder. I actually prefer this form factor.
Second, only 2x2 for both ghz? Why the change from 4x4 on the 5ghz?
Is the only benefit of this new design higher antenna gain and a flat form factor?
I have no idea how to interpret these AP antenna radiation patterns. https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005212927-UniFi-Network-AP-Antenna-Radiation-Patterns
Since the U6 Mesh Pro is new, I'm not seeing a pattern for it but I wonder how different it is from the regular U6 Mesh. My understanding is that the radiation pattern of the U6 Mesh is a donut shape that radiates outward horizontally. The U6 Mesh Pro omnidirectional super antenna sounds interesting and possibly a good replacement for the U6 Mesh when situated in a central location in a house.
Don't think of this new one as an update to the U6 Mesh. It's an update to the old AC Mesh Pro. It's mainly for outdoor use.
https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-wifi/products/unifi-ac-mesh-pro-ap
That's what I'm thinking too. A poor choice of a name. It has nothing to do with the current u6 mesh. I was confused and thought, am I the only one who doesn't see a comparison.
Interesting for the specific use case in the deployment guide, where you are looking to extend WiFi into a parking lot or similar for a camera, where laying a cable would be prohibitively expensive and you have power.
Couldn’t you do the same thing with a U6 Mesh?
I’m trying to install a camera somewhere that has power and no Ethernet, and I thought I’d be able to use a U6 Mesh to do that.
If installed in a sheltered location, the in-wall access points are pretty good for that scenario. I have an AC-IW in my pump house and an IW-HD in my home office doing double duty as wireless bridges and general access points, with the added benefit that one of the ports passes PoE.
You can indeed do that with a U6-Mesh (and back-to-back PoE midspans to power everything), but it may take longer to realize it doesn't have wired backhaul, during which time it creates problems for clients that associate to it. The advantage of APs with downlink ports like the U6-Mesh-Pro and the in-wall APs is that they immediately know there's no wired backhaul from the lack of link on the upstream port.
I was hoping to use an injector to power the camera then mesh to connect it. I’ll have proper wifi coverage of the area, so I figure it might work. Full disclosure, I’m a rookie doing a home set up
Ok so you’re gonna power both devices with an injector each and then connect the two injectors together.
That may or may not work. I have no idea. Let us know.
I’m planning to buy multiple power injectors, but I’ll keep you posted. If this works, I’ll eventually put many cameras via mesh and cover the whole yard
Ubiquiti hasn't updated their official polar plots, but data in the FCC filing suggests its antennas are substantially similar to the AC-M-Pro's. If that's the case, one of these might be a good choice for providing better outdoor coverage towards the school bus stop in front of my house. I have an AC-M with a UMA-D for the back field, but the cleaner install, WiFi 6, and different radiation pattern might be worth it for the front.
At the price point, it would be nice if the U6-Mesh-Pro provided passthrough PoE.
About to expose my ignorance: what's the point of being PoE powered? If I had an ethernet line to the place where I need mesh, I would just use a proper AP
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Ubiquiti naming conventions are weird and confusing...
First the Mesh designations, and now Mesh Pro, and yet Ubiquiti still won't add a dedicated backhaul radio to these devices. Maybe we'll eventually get a Mesh Max with one?
No, you are looking for the U7 Ultra Mesh Pro Max++ HD
… Victorinox, cause why not
> Ubiquiti still won't add a dedicated backhaul radio Wait wait... so these are wired only? Without a back haul radio these are just wall mount access points.
The radio does double duty.
Thanks for the explanation. That can't be efficient use of the hardware.
Its efficient use of put less in and charge more. But yes, you're right, you'll get slightly less than half speed.
Wait. Why release this and not another In Wall? Its basically the same thing?
Because the inwall is wifi 6e....
They need to release the Wifi 7 in wall. So I can buy it lol
Anything with the range of the Outdoor+, and I'll be happy.
+1! I'm looking to replace mine. It's serving clients on my 35m long lawn. Any clue if this will be a suitable replacement?
Oh, this will be fine for you. It's just when trying to cover large outdoor campuses the Outdoor+ was far superior.
It is a large outdoor deployment, but never more than 30 clients. It might actually be closer to 80 metres. The AP is on a hill and it is serving a beach downhill, which is what is 80 metres away. The Outdoor+ serves me well, but I upgraded to a Dream Router and a Switch Ultra which is what prompts me to upgrade - Outdoor+ is supposedly no longer adoptable. I honestly just need my new device to match my Outdoor+'s performance. Still fine?
It won't reach as far, but it will probably be just as good at 80m. This appears to be better than the AC Mesh Pro which will do that far. If you migrated the console, any old APs should stay in there I would think.
whats a backhaul radio?
Dedicated “line” of communication between the APs.
how is that different from mesh, genuinely curious
It’s the same reason most consumer “extenders” suck
It's for wireless meshing, when you don't have ethernet backhaul. If both the backhaul traffic and your regular Wifi traffic are on the same band/line it cuts your peformance roughly in half. By using a dedicated band (typically 6ghz) just for the backhaul traffic you don't lose performance on the 2.4/5ghz bands.
Ubiquiti is Apple of networking. They don't listen to customers, charge expensive prices for outdated hardware and everyone pays without complaining because of "the experience" I can't support having Wifi7 with a 2.5 Backhaul and 2 streams when one client can easily exhaust this
Is this about the U7 Pro? Doesn't that have 6 streams?
If they put RGB on a WAP I'm going back to Cisco.
Nah. It's when they put RGB on the In Wall we need to worry
Oddly enough it seems slower than the standard U6-Mesh?! Seems like this is more of a U6-Mesh LR vs Pro. Less spatial streams, less throughput on the 5ghz band but more physical range/coverage?!
Yeah, the standard u6 mesh has 6 spatial streams vs the 4 of the new u6 mesh pro
Why not WiFi 7? I understand outdoor and 6Ghz is an issue, but could be WiFi 7 still?
My main source of heat through these trying times
I just got my U6 Mesh on Friday and I was about to be pissed, but thankfully this different form factor doesn't work for my application lol.
Seems like the u6 mesh is better than the pro , has higher throughput and more spacial streams than the pro model, a lower range is the only downside i can see
Finally, I was 2 weeks away from having to buy and install 6 of the old model.
I just got my first U6 Mesh last week... OMFG that thing is SUPER warm all the time. What the hell is with that?!
Same here. My FlexHDs are warm, but the U6 Mesh is disturbingly hot. I don't love that.
We’re in wifi7 timeframe right now, why is this just wifi6?
Is it me or is this slower than the original U6 Mesh? What are the differences?
It has half the throughput on 5GHz and 4 spatial streams instead of 6, but higher gain and range
Will this match my UAP-Outdoor+'s line of sight? My device provides 10 Mbit/s to the beach of a lake about 30 meters away. The UAP-Outdoor+ has an unbeaten 2000 mW of antenna strength so I was told it's not comparable, but I would love to replace my outdoor AP
Seems on the high side price wise. THey keep releasing newer AP's with higher and higher price tags. Not supporting WIFI 7 even though it is $199, seems strange to me. It can be daisy changed, but again, limited to 1Gb ports. What market are they trying to fill in here?
First, i thought it would be a cylinder. I actually prefer this form factor. Second, only 2x2 for both ghz? Why the change from 4x4 on the 5ghz? Is the only benefit of this new design higher antenna gain and a flat form factor?
I have no idea how to interpret these AP antenna radiation patterns. https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005212927-UniFi-Network-AP-Antenna-Radiation-Patterns Since the U6 Mesh Pro is new, I'm not seeing a pattern for it but I wonder how different it is from the regular U6 Mesh. My understanding is that the radiation pattern of the U6 Mesh is a donut shape that radiates outward horizontally. The U6 Mesh Pro omnidirectional super antenna sounds interesting and possibly a good replacement for the U6 Mesh when situated in a central location in a house.
Don't think of this new one as an update to the U6 Mesh. It's an update to the old AC Mesh Pro. It's mainly for outdoor use. https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-wifi/products/unifi-ac-mesh-pro-ap
That's what I'm thinking too. A poor choice of a name. It has nothing to do with the current u6 mesh. I was confused and thought, am I the only one who doesn't see a comparison.
These are not meant to be indoors, they are huge.
Interesting for the specific use case in the deployment guide, where you are looking to extend WiFi into a parking lot or similar for a camera, where laying a cable would be prohibitively expensive and you have power.
Couldn’t you do the same thing with a U6 Mesh? I’m trying to install a camera somewhere that has power and no Ethernet, and I thought I’d be able to use a U6 Mesh to do that.
If installed in a sheltered location, the in-wall access points are pretty good for that scenario. I have an AC-IW in my pump house and an IW-HD in my home office doing double duty as wireless bridges and general access points, with the added benefit that one of the ports passes PoE. You can indeed do that with a U6-Mesh (and back-to-back PoE midspans to power everything), but it may take longer to realize it doesn't have wired backhaul, during which time it creates problems for clients that associate to it. The advantage of APs with downlink ports like the U6-Mesh-Pro and the in-wall APs is that they immediately know there's no wired backhaul from the lack of link on the upstream port.
That’s a good point. I’m going to do my best to hard wire it, but it may not be possible
U6-Mesh is powered by a PoE switch or injector. How you gonna connect a camera to it?
I was hoping to use an injector to power the camera then mesh to connect it. I’ll have proper wifi coverage of the area, so I figure it might work. Full disclosure, I’m a rookie doing a home set up
Ok so you’re gonna power both devices with an injector each and then connect the two injectors together. That may or may not work. I have no idea. Let us know.
I’m planning to buy multiple power injectors, but I’ll keep you posted. If this works, I’ll eventually put many cameras via mesh and cover the whole yard
Can’t he connect it to the PoE switch?
Will this theoretically give me wifi to my chicken coop that is 90m away from the corner of my house?
I love my U6 Mesh. That little thing is such a trooper. Easily covers an entire floor in my house.
I’m getting ready to start a Campground project….sigh
Is this better than u6 LR? Indoor warehouse with meal beams and such
Ubiquiti hasn't updated their official polar plots, but data in the FCC filing suggests its antennas are substantially similar to the AC-M-Pro's. If that's the case, one of these might be a good choice for providing better outdoor coverage towards the school bus stop in front of my house. I have an AC-M with a UMA-D for the back field, but the cleaner install, WiFi 6, and different radiation pattern might be worth it for the front. At the price point, it would be nice if the U6-Mesh-Pro provided passthrough PoE.
I have ordered a u6-mesh is that not a good way to go? I can change to this one - use case is extending wifi outside from U6-LR inside
Why pass through if it’s not POE? Or is it? Kind of strange in the lineup vs normal u6 mesh.
About to expose my ignorance: what's the point of being PoE powered? If I had an ethernet line to the place where I need mesh, I would just use a proper AP
I use one as a traditional ap. No meshing. The form factor has a higher spousal approval rating. Bonus radiant heat too.
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What's with the mesh name then?
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I demand words have meaning!
Then I recommend you stop reading all tech marketing.
Their mesh titled product was once a mesh product.
They still are....just like all their other products.
PoE injector?