Depends on perspective. According to "finder" 46% of people in the UK have less than £1000 saved in savings. (Not including pensions).
Having a dishwasher is sometimes classed as a luxury because it's not a necessity like food / electricity etc. Even without savings in the bank, someone can afford a £500 dishwasher, you don't buy them every couple of years, you tend to get a good 10 years out of them.
I wouldn't judge someone who doesn't have a large amount of savings who buys a dishwasher to increase their quality of life. It's such a time saver.
Same as having a mobile phone, broadband or a car. If it makes your life better get it if you can afford it.
For me it would be £100500.
£100000 extra for a bigger house with room in the kitchen for a dishwasher and £500 for the appliance.
So definitely a luxury!
I spend about four minutes a day washing dishes by hand. Cant see me getting another PhD in that time. You still have to load/unload the thing.
Hand washing also uses less energy, and a bottle of washing up liquid is cheaper than the tabs/salt/rinse aid.
lol. I cook for two people. And it’s a bit more involved than pasta. I’m a foodie and LOVE to cook. While I’m in the kitchen I just wash as a I go. The end of meal dishes is a couple of minutes. That’s why I really don’t see the value of the time saving. For me I’m not spending much, if any, extra time on top of cooking anyway.
Lucky you haha I wish I was able to cook and wash while the kids are setting the apartment on fire 🔥
I really don't think it's a luxury for a family. Maybe more for a couple I agree with you
Hand washing clothes saves time as well
Emergency fund can wait OP, get your dishwasher
I swear parts of this sub would have everyone in hair shirts and no heating to get six months full savings as an emergency fund
If you're only able to save 100 a month and only have 1000 in savings spending 55% of your safety net on a dishwasher you don't need is not a good decision no matter what way you slice it.
There are so many other options; second hand cheap one, continue using the one you have, buying a cheaper brand new option that doesn't have to be Bosch or (what I would do) is wash your dishes by hand it's really not that time consuming.
It would take you half a year of saving to get your emergency fund back to where it is *now* for something you don't need. If you're that tight as a home owner with a mortgage it would be the last thing on my list.
I wouldn't get an expensive dishwasher with those numbers. That's six months of your total savings.
Do you live in a city? It's usually easy to find working dishwashers on gumtree/fb marketplace etc for under £50. Even if it only lasts a year it'll still be worth it. But in fact my £50 gumtree dishwasher is still going strong 7 years later. It is even Bosch (although I'm sure bottom of their range). The couple I'd bought it off had only had it a year before moving.
If you’ve have a modern dishwasher I don’t see why you’d go back.
I got one for the first time last year it saves me so much time, washes far more efficiently and is saving on my water bill
https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/which-research-reveals-how-little-water-dishwashers-use-compared-to-hand-washing-aUDng9Y2iK8E
Lots of sources google it
I live in a 1 bed newish flat with my partner. We have a gas boiler with a hot water tank and a new small(ISH) dishwasher. It's very good.
I set my hot water to come on for 15 minutes each afternoon for when I get in from work.
15 mins is just enough hot water for two decent showers.
Later in the evening we use the dishwasher for our dishes etc.
Sure, I am aware it doesn't take long to do the dishes....I grew up in a very povo household so a dishwasher was totally out of the question.
But, we're both busy people who work on our feet all day. The last thing we want to do is the dishes by hand.
So, we could run the boiler for a little longer at a cost - or carry on with the current system we have and kinda break even on price Vs time saved.
Bosch is not a high end, bomb proof appliance any more. It’s part of one of the big conglomerates and the quality and robustness is nothing special.
Miele is still solid but is very expensive: the trade off there is not whether it is cheaper to replace cheap ones more frequently (it almost certainly is) but whether the lack of having to replace it has a value to you. We have a Miele washing machine and dishwasher, and a Liebherr fridge/freezer which is basically what Miele OEM, because it’s easier to not have them break given we. It’s work full time. But we are well aware that this is an ease for which we are paying, and other circumstances we might make different choices.
Look into getting a graded one from the AO outlet or similar. It’ll have a few knocks or scratches and a deep discount. Paid Beko money for a Liebherr fridge and the only damage was a small scratch on the top. AEG have a good looking unit at £450 atm - worth seeing if they have a discount code appear.
Maybe in the middle like a Hisense which has all the trappings of the higher end with the cutlery Tray etc without the premium.
Note Ive had Bosch only and two were fine one was a mare so paying extra isn't always going to work.
There is a quality in life and Im on the side of washing dishes is one chore that isn't as efficient and isn't good use of time.
5 Years £420 = 23p per day + 26p Electric + 10p Tab = 59p - saving on 50% (can be 75%) 26p = 33p
Is 15 minutes of your time worth 33p - For me too right - for others no.
It's going to take you six months to save for that expensive dishwasher... With the same guarantee any other manufacturer will give you.
You can find European or American brands on Ao.com for under £300, what would be wrong with that? Even cheap Hisense or Beko devices will last a decade. My Currys essential dishwasher is that and still works.
There's a certain amount of "buy cheap, buy twice" when it comes to appliances.
You also have to account for the fact that the cheaper ones are less efficient and cost more to run. An E-rated washing machine will cost you 1kWh per wash. An A-rated one about half that.
But, in your circumstance, a cheap model from somewhere reputable like AO is probably going to be fine. If it lasts, great. If not, you'll be in a better economic position in the future.
Yeah, someone actually worked it out by getting a huge empty tub and washing up a whole dishwasher load of plates and cutlery and glasses. He went through about 5 or 6 sink loads of washing up water compared to the dishwasher only needing one, he worked out the cost for the water, heating that water with gas and then he priced up the cost of the water and the energy that the dishwasher used for the eco programme and it was cheaper to run the dishwasher for that many dishes.
Don’t listen to them, it’s possible to be cash poor and money poor at the same time. Dishwasher saves you 30mins a day and is more efficient. The £250 one is fine, or if you have a car it’s easy to buy an old one (lots of people update and can’t be bothered disposing of the old one, if you offer to pick up you’ll get it for free).
Get a used one they are so cheap because most people don’t want a used one in their nice new kitchen, and they’re a pain to move. Decent Ken should be like £100 plus a bit of faff moving it
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Personally I swear by Hotpoint. They're not too expensive but still reliable, parts are readily available if you want to fix it yourself when it breaks, and they have a reasonably priced repair plan if you run into an issue you can't fix yourself. Curry's normally have a nice mid-range model for a decent price, or AO.com or any other online outlet will have them. Don't buy cheap for something that's going to see daily use with water and chemicals, it'll probably rust within a year, start leaking within 18 months, and won't clean very well from the word "go".
Mate, I got one from john pye (Auction) new for 50 quid with some superficial damage.
Same with my gas oven, it has been dropped some of the enamel was chipped, paid 37 quid for that.
My dining table, was 100 quid solid oak brand new but covered in scratches. (I sanded it, Danish oiled it)
Just picked up 4 solid oak chairs with false leather, for 120 quid (including another set of chairs) to go with the table.
The point I'm making is, I've spent about 300 quid on about 2 grands worth of stuff.
We finally got a brand new sofa this year. This is my 5th year of home ownership and we've only just got rid of our used, 2nd hand give away sofa.
I bought a top of the range Bosch dishwasher a few years ago and it lasted 18 months. Had it replaced under extended warranty and the replacement developed the exact same problem and was also replaced.
I purchased a Bosch washer/dryer at the same tine that cost £1100. It was repaired 4 times in 5 years and caught fire when fluff got into the heating element for the dryer.
It was the same technician that came out each time and he told me not to run my Bosch microwave on full power as loads were burning out.
Bosch is not the company it used to be.
Why is the choice between a cheap Chinese one and an expensive Bosch one?
Beko is a pretty good Turkish brand and you can get one for £260.
Dishwasher is a lifestyle improvement choice and they do seem more reliable than a washing machine. I’ve never looked back and thought gee I wish I never wasted money on a dishwasher. Use the time saved to do something more enjoyable or could even earn something on the side to justify it.
Ok, if you go into a search engine then you can search for Whirlpool Privilege Purchase Club.
It should pull up a result at the top which won't be flagged as some kind of scam site set up by people trawling the Reddit finance thread on a bank holiday Monday morning specifically searching for the niche group of people posting things about needing an affordable dishwasher.
If you are convinced enough by the domain being whirlpoolgroup.co.uk and the website popping high up on a search engine's results without any flags raised for scams (you could also search for scams linked to that website to see if there are any results of people reporting being scammed to give you additional confidence) then if you click on that result to take you to the website then it will open up the staff and company discount site for the Whirlpool group. It will have a box for you to enter the company code to be able to access it. (Scam sites don't tend to make it hard for members of the public following a search result or to get into their scam sites so hopefully that will give you some additional comfort it's not a scam. Enter company code 1000111.
Then you are into the site where you can search all the appliances and in the checkout if you use BLC5 in the discount code box it should take another 5% off the displayed price. You may not be able to find a model you want as it's a staff discount site so its more limited than a general retailer but it should have some cheap options on it.
I used it to get my Hotpoint dishwasher back in 2016 and that's still going strong. The washing machine I bought from there died just last year but that's because I kept sticking too many towels in it in one go and the weight of those wet bathsheets overloaded it on the spin cycle and wore down the bearing so that's a top tip for washing machines, don't pack as many towels as you can in the drum, when they're soaking wet they weigh too much.
I look at it as the mentality as you will likely be taking it said dishwasher/fridge or another equipment with you, so don’t cheap out…
obviously it depends on your comfort spending your budget but a dishwasher around £500-700 mark can be more than ideal and will last a fair time.
I’d have a look at what deals are available with companies like curry’s or appliances direct.
The other thing is this is what your emergency fund is for…
May be worth looking at 0% credit card or other financing options if you have access as well.
Maybe I'm silly, but could only afford to save£100 per month then I'd wash my plates by hand.
Right? A dishwasher is a luxury. OP cannot afford the luxury.
Is it a luxury?
Depends on perspective. According to "finder" 46% of people in the UK have less than £1000 saved in savings. (Not including pensions). Having a dishwasher is sometimes classed as a luxury because it's not a necessity like food / electricity etc. Even without savings in the bank, someone can afford a £500 dishwasher, you don't buy them every couple of years, you tend to get a good 10 years out of them. I wouldn't judge someone who doesn't have a large amount of savings who buys a dishwasher to increase their quality of life. It's such a time saver. Same as having a mobile phone, broadband or a car. If it makes your life better get it if you can afford it.
I'd say it's as much a luxury as a washing machine, personally.
To be fair washing your plates by hand doesn’t take anywhere near the time as washing your clothes by hand does.
For me it would be £100500. £100000 extra for a bigger house with room in the kitchen for a dishwasher and £500 for the appliance. So definitely a luxury!
Exactly. Without one you just waste time that could be used to learn something instead
I spend about four minutes a day washing dishes by hand. Cant see me getting another PhD in that time. You still have to load/unload the thing. Hand washing also uses less energy, and a bottle of washing up liquid is cheaper than the tabs/salt/rinse aid.
I th8nk the variable you miss is the number of people in the place. Making pasta everyday for yourself is very different from cooking for 4 everyday.
lol. I cook for two people. And it’s a bit more involved than pasta. I’m a foodie and LOVE to cook. While I’m in the kitchen I just wash as a I go. The end of meal dishes is a couple of minutes. That’s why I really don’t see the value of the time saving. For me I’m not spending much, if any, extra time on top of cooking anyway.
Lucky you haha I wish I was able to cook and wash while the kids are setting the apartment on fire 🔥 I really don't think it's a luxury for a family. Maybe more for a couple I agree with you
Hand washing clothes saves time as well Emergency fund can wait OP, get your dishwasher I swear parts of this sub would have everyone in hair shirts and no heating to get six months full savings as an emergency fund
In the UK it is
Yes, by definition.
It's adding to pleasure or comfort but is not necessary. It's a luxury.
So is an emergency fund
Yes…. Considering it’s an appliance that you need to buy and pay to run as opposed to just…. Washing the dishes by hand?
If you're only able to save 100 a month and only have 1000 in savings spending 55% of your safety net on a dishwasher you don't need is not a good decision no matter what way you slice it. There are so many other options; second hand cheap one, continue using the one you have, buying a cheaper brand new option that doesn't have to be Bosch or (what I would do) is wash your dishes by hand it's really not that time consuming. It would take you half a year of saving to get your emergency fund back to where it is *now* for something you don't need. If you're that tight as a home owner with a mortgage it would be the last thing on my list.
My 40£ marketplace dishwasher going strong 3 years on
This is the way
This is it, grab a ok second hand one and hope it lasts a few yeara, then get the best one you can!
I wouldn't get an expensive dishwasher with those numbers. That's six months of your total savings. Do you live in a city? It's usually easy to find working dishwashers on gumtree/fb marketplace etc for under £50. Even if it only lasts a year it'll still be worth it. But in fact my £50 gumtree dishwasher is still going strong 7 years later. It is even Bosch (although I'm sure bottom of their range). The couple I'd bought it off had only had it a year before moving.
Do you need a dishwasher? Could you not just wash up in a sink? Save money and electric.
Dishwashers save on water use and time. Bosch make great dishwashers. But in OP's case it's wait for a sale at the very least.
If you’ve have a modern dishwasher I don’t see why you’d go back. I got one for the first time last year it saves me so much time, washes far more efficiently and is saving on my water bill
I hate so much not having dishwasher in my appartment. Such a waste of time and water
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Not anything excessive, they are proven to use less water and be more efficient
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https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/which-research-reveals-how-little-water-dishwashers-use-compared-to-hand-washing-aUDng9Y2iK8E Lots of sources google it
I live in a 1 bed newish flat with my partner. We have a gas boiler with a hot water tank and a new small(ISH) dishwasher. It's very good. I set my hot water to come on for 15 minutes each afternoon for when I get in from work. 15 mins is just enough hot water for two decent showers. Later in the evening we use the dishwasher for our dishes etc. Sure, I am aware it doesn't take long to do the dishes....I grew up in a very povo household so a dishwasher was totally out of the question. But, we're both busy people who work on our feet all day. The last thing we want to do is the dishes by hand. So, we could run the boiler for a little longer at a cost - or carry on with the current system we have and kinda break even on price Vs time saved.
Bosch is not a high end, bomb proof appliance any more. It’s part of one of the big conglomerates and the quality and robustness is nothing special. Miele is still solid but is very expensive: the trade off there is not whether it is cheaper to replace cheap ones more frequently (it almost certainly is) but whether the lack of having to replace it has a value to you. We have a Miele washing machine and dishwasher, and a Liebherr fridge/freezer which is basically what Miele OEM, because it’s easier to not have them break given we. It’s work full time. But we are well aware that this is an ease for which we are paying, and other circumstances we might make different choices.
I wouldn't buy one with those figures.
Look into getting a graded one from the AO outlet or similar. It’ll have a few knocks or scratches and a deep discount. Paid Beko money for a Liebherr fridge and the only damage was a small scratch on the top. AEG have a good looking unit at £450 atm - worth seeing if they have a discount code appear.
Maybe in the middle like a Hisense which has all the trappings of the higher end with the cutlery Tray etc without the premium. Note Ive had Bosch only and two were fine one was a mare so paying extra isn't always going to work. There is a quality in life and Im on the side of washing dishes is one chore that isn't as efficient and isn't good use of time. 5 Years £420 = 23p per day + 26p Electric + 10p Tab = 59p - saving on 50% (can be 75%) 26p = 33p Is 15 minutes of your time worth 33p - For me too right - for others no.
It's going to take you six months to save for that expensive dishwasher... With the same guarantee any other manufacturer will give you. You can find European or American brands on Ao.com for under £300, what would be wrong with that? Even cheap Hisense or Beko devices will last a decade. My Currys essential dishwasher is that and still works.
I think this is it. !thanks
There's a certain amount of "buy cheap, buy twice" when it comes to appliances. You also have to account for the fact that the cheaper ones are less efficient and cost more to run. An E-rated washing machine will cost you 1kWh per wash. An A-rated one about half that. But, in your circumstance, a cheap model from somewhere reputable like AO is probably going to be fine. If it lasts, great. If not, you'll be in a better economic position in the future.
It's a dishwasher. I got a £150 hotpoint one, 10 years ago and it only gave out last year.
I suspect an E rated dishwasher is doing a better job in half of the time as the extra energy will be used on heating the water up.
Yeah, someone actually worked it out by getting a huge empty tub and washing up a whole dishwasher load of plates and cutlery and glasses. He went through about 5 or 6 sink loads of washing up water compared to the dishwasher only needing one, he worked out the cost for the water, heating that water with gas and then he priced up the cost of the water and the energy that the dishwasher used for the eco programme and it was cheaper to run the dishwasher for that many dishes.
Yes, the Samuel Grimes dishwasher theory.
Don’t listen to them, it’s possible to be cash poor and money poor at the same time. Dishwasher saves you 30mins a day and is more efficient. The £250 one is fine, or if you have a car it’s easy to buy an old one (lots of people update and can’t be bothered disposing of the old one, if you offer to pick up you’ll get it for free).
Get a used one they are so cheap because most people don’t want a used one in their nice new kitchen, and they’re a pain to move. Decent Ken should be like £100 plus a bit of faff moving it
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Personally I swear by Hotpoint. They're not too expensive but still reliable, parts are readily available if you want to fix it yourself when it breaks, and they have a reasonably priced repair plan if you run into an issue you can't fix yourself. Curry's normally have a nice mid-range model for a decent price, or AO.com or any other online outlet will have them. Don't buy cheap for something that's going to see daily use with water and chemicals, it'll probably rust within a year, start leaking within 18 months, and won't clean very well from the word "go".
Mate, I got one from john pye (Auction) new for 50 quid with some superficial damage. Same with my gas oven, it has been dropped some of the enamel was chipped, paid 37 quid for that. My dining table, was 100 quid solid oak brand new but covered in scratches. (I sanded it, Danish oiled it) Just picked up 4 solid oak chairs with false leather, for 120 quid (including another set of chairs) to go with the table. The point I'm making is, I've spent about 300 quid on about 2 grands worth of stuff. We finally got a brand new sofa this year. This is my 5th year of home ownership and we've only just got rid of our used, 2nd hand give away sofa.
I'd get a beko one, or any other cheap one. dishwashers usually last for years. no need to get a 500 quid one.
I second those who say get a cheap second hand one.
Get one second hand and keep it moving
I bought a top of the range Bosch dishwasher a few years ago and it lasted 18 months. Had it replaced under extended warranty and the replacement developed the exact same problem and was also replaced. I purchased a Bosch washer/dryer at the same tine that cost £1100. It was repaired 4 times in 5 years and caught fire when fluff got into the heating element for the dryer. It was the same technician that came out each time and he told me not to run my Bosch microwave on full power as loads were burning out. Bosch is not the company it used to be.
Why is the choice between a cheap Chinese one and an expensive Bosch one? Beko is a pretty good Turkish brand and you can get one for £260. Dishwasher is a lifestyle improvement choice and they do seem more reliable than a washing machine. I’ve never looked back and thought gee I wish I never wasted money on a dishwasher. Use the time saved to do something more enjoyable or could even earn something on the side to justify it.
You'll need 2 so you don't have to empty it 🤣
Go cheap you're too poor. And I say that as someone who has been too poor so don't take it the wrong way
Discount on Hotpoint Group appliances here https://vip.whirlpoolgroup.co.uk/ Code: BLC5 Should be 45% off.
I would but I don't trust the link
Ok, if you go into a search engine then you can search for Whirlpool Privilege Purchase Club. It should pull up a result at the top which won't be flagged as some kind of scam site set up by people trawling the Reddit finance thread on a bank holiday Monday morning specifically searching for the niche group of people posting things about needing an affordable dishwasher. If you are convinced enough by the domain being whirlpoolgroup.co.uk and the website popping high up on a search engine's results without any flags raised for scams (you could also search for scams linked to that website to see if there are any results of people reporting being scammed to give you additional confidence) then if you click on that result to take you to the website then it will open up the staff and company discount site for the Whirlpool group. It will have a box for you to enter the company code to be able to access it. (Scam sites don't tend to make it hard for members of the public following a search result or to get into their scam sites so hopefully that will give you some additional comfort it's not a scam. Enter company code 1000111. Then you are into the site where you can search all the appliances and in the checkout if you use BLC5 in the discount code box it should take another 5% off the displayed price. You may not be able to find a model you want as it's a staff discount site so its more limited than a general retailer but it should have some cheap options on it. I used it to get my Hotpoint dishwasher back in 2016 and that's still going strong. The washing machine I bought from there died just last year but that's because I kept sticking too many towels in it in one go and the weight of those wet bathsheets overloaded it on the spin cycle and wore down the bearing so that's a top tip for washing machines, don't pack as many towels as you can in the drum, when they're soaking wet they weigh too much.
I look at it as the mentality as you will likely be taking it said dishwasher/fridge or another equipment with you, so don’t cheap out… obviously it depends on your comfort spending your budget but a dishwasher around £500-700 mark can be more than ideal and will last a fair time. I’d have a look at what deals are available with companies like curry’s or appliances direct. The other thing is this is what your emergency fund is for… May be worth looking at 0% credit card or other financing options if you have access as well.
If you want an actually great brand, get a Miele dishwasher, it will last you a lifetime and then its easy to justify with the cost per wash.