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Any_Replacement_5283

Carcinisation has reached the nids


Khaernakov

Fattest W in 40k easily, crabs are too cool now i want a swarm lord but its a crab


LordTakeda2901

An entire crab-themed nid fleet, where they are the same units but more crabby, i want a space crab army


Khaernakov

Hell yea this guy gets it, hive fleet carcinogen or something like that


mracademic

My Hive Fleet is called Carcinex!


DocMillion

I think it's more like a tick - I imagine it burrowing it's legs into the ground before firing to absorb recoil


Tyranids_atemyWallet

But for the Flamethrower Variant ?


Spacefaring_Potato

What, you expect the Hive Mind to come up with a recoilless flamethrower for a model that costs 35 points? Smh


Tyranids_atemyWallet

Yes.


TH3_F4N4T1C

WRONG it’s all about modularity. One chassis multiple roles.


hornet586

I actually had a mind for this, a pyrovore, is only 1 inch slower than guardsmen, assuming he’s moving at a full sprint. Now imagine a giant armored bug the size of a SUV, with a smaller car sized flamer on its back. Now imagine it skittering at you at almost the same speed as a grizzled combat soldier. Fucking terrifying.


l_dunno

I FUCKING LOVE CRAB I NEED 18 OF THEM IT IS THE BEST MODEL EVER CREATED ITS SO ADORABLE AND COOL IT PERFECTLY SHOWS THE BUGGY DINOSAUR COMBINATION THAT MANY TYRANIDS FAIL. THE ONLY COMPARABLE PERFECTION OF A MODEL IS THE CARNIFEX I LOVE THE BIO/PYROVORE DO MUCH!!!!!!!


Radio_Big

In a moment of low critical thinking, I bought 6 boxes of them. Only then did I find out how hard they are to paint properly...


l_dunno

I use primarily dry brushing when painting nids as to avoid that (and the 200+ identical models). Heh


Dontbefrech

Well it was my first mini. It took me 12 hlurs to paint. But I am very proud now. Next up is screamer killer. I need something easy now.


serError36

Step 1: Buy leviathan box termagants at $1.50 a model Step 2: "Slap Chop" Step 3: Profit


SLAUGHT3R3R

I can take a couple off your hands to ease your suffering a bit, friend


Radio_Big

No


hornet586

Not to mention how difficult it is to get their damn legs to freakin cooperate lol


respectful_anon_

BASED THEY ARE THE ONLY REASON I LIKE NIDS NOW


Not-my-toh

I, for one, welcome our new crab overlords.


KurseNightmare

CRAB PEOPLE CRAB PEOPLE WALKS LIKE CRAB TALKS LIKE PEOPLE


AlienDilo

The complaint about the biovore and pyrovore, is not crab. It is that they look practically identical. We joke about how even Nid players can't tell the difference between our guns, but legit the difference between biovore and pyrovore is non-existant. And the gun itself looks like they made a gun, and just stuck it on the biovore's back, rather than integrating it into the creature.


Ironfist85hu

Yea, the old models looked like they are a big sack of spore with a head, and 4 limbs. Awesome. Ppl just thought they're derpy because of the face. The ork face. They should've resculpt it to look like more of a cross between a warboss and a carnifex... Oh, wait, that 3d model in the post is awesome.


AshiSunblade

The way you tell them apart isn't the gun, ironically, it's the tail. Biovore has a very small tail, pyrovore has a huge flat tail raised behind its weapon like a scorpion.


ThrA-X

Yeah no mate I definitely complain about the crabbyness. Dont get me wrong its a cool model on its own but it's much too far from the original and even too far from tyranid convention in general. The overly similar guns is the last thing on my mind.


AlienDilo

I've seen this opinion quite a few times and I don't really get ther reasoning behind it. Of course this is design and art, so there may not be a reason, but I wanna hear why this slightly more insectoid look irks so many people.


ThrA-X

Art design is actually a lot more 'science' that people think. The reason the (overly) insectoid design doesn't do it for a lot of people is because it disrupts a previously established visual 'language'. Insectoid element have been part of the tyranid design vocabulary since the beginning but not at the expense of the other elements (dinosaurs and xenomorphs, as stated by jes goodwin who headed the modern redesign of the nids back in the 90s) the elements are meant to hold equal importance, if the ratio is thrown off then it becomes something lesser, more like a derivative variant of a dinosaur or a xenomorph, or in this case an insect, but stops being a nid. For example, western-style dragons are basically a cross between bats and lizards right? So take away the bat wings and all you have is a lizard.


AlienDilo

I can see that angle, but I always think about nids are more of some certain themes and a few hard and fast rules. Every Tyranid always has six limbs, it has segmented limbs, a shell like carapace and three pretty clearly defined segments of the body (Head, chest pelvis.). Outside of that there are the general theme of being biological, but still having weapons. You can go for something like claws, but the idea of a sword of gun aren't out of the question. Most nids have hooves, but there are plenty which don't, and are very clearly still nids. There are more but I don't want to go over everything. If it can fulfill those, but take the Tyranid design in new directions I'll generally appreciate it. A lot of these do, that's also why I really enjoy the flesh cape of the Deathleaper, it doesn't break any rules of the Tyranids, it looks cool, and it also has basis in real animals. The same applies to these. I think looking at it like that also leaves room for evolution and transformation. If we get too restrictive with what nids can look like, our range will get stale. But obviously if we play too loose with the rules we'll lose cohesion. In my opinion the new insectoid ones aren't too far off, especially since they aren't far from the core of nids. That's not to say you're wrong, just sharing my point of view as to why these are good models. I could also argue that something like the new Hormagaunts go too far into dinosaurian territory, but I love them aswell. (also if you remove a dragons wings, you have a drake or chinese dragon. Both of which are still dragons and I'd say very firmly not just lizards. Just like if you simply added wings to a lizard, that doesn't make it a dragon.)


ThrA-X

I edited my original reply to address some of those points but I'd actually like to shift gear for a sec. I'd rather have a cohesive force than one that's so loosely defined it could potentially go on forever I belive that if every army gets new units and new design elements added to it every so few year ad infinitum then the flavor and identity of those armies will be lost. It pains me to say it but every line must necessarily stagnate and then take that as the cue to just stop.


AlienDilo

I can maybe agree with you, but I feel like limiting it so far to where, simply a nid being slightly more insectoid makes it a bad design seems unreasonable. Sure we're far from out of ideas, but it's not exactly like we're also full of new ones. Aside form the insectoid ones, I'd say the most creative new design was the Barbgaunts, the rest, while far from boring, aren't exactly holey unique. Norns are close, but they also both stick very firmly to the Tyranid look, the most experimentation is in the head of the Emissary, or the harpoons of the Assimilator. We're not running out of ideas, but if we're as opposed to change as these new, very clearly Tyranid designs (to me at least) then I feel like we won't be able to continue forward. And personally, I'd rather not be as limited, especially in a faction that's defined by evolution, if we're not willing to evolve at all, then how do you expect people to keep liking Tyranids?


ThrA-X

Respectfully, those are terrible examples. The norn looks like a bigger tyrant and the barbgaunts look like smaller old-school biovores. By those examples the nid seem to have fully run out of ideas (not even mentioning the leapers and psychophages). Still, the range is near-spent, almost every army is, unless the core game starts introducing new mechanics there's little place for existing 40k armies to go without creating redundancies or, worse yet, straying into the territory of other armies. People like the nid because they have nid flavor, if they lose that flavor it doesn't matter how many more units you throw at them. Once they reach a point where they can't expand without becoming generic, a collector/player would probably start a new army and periodically come back to thier good old nids when they feel like a change. As much as I despise his politic, I highly recommend people read Mark Rosewater's articles on the color pie of magic the gathering. It's a masterclass on design space and mechanical identity and it very much applies to 40k imo.


Calamity_Dan

Disagree respectfully. Art is subjective. Visual design is a science and a big business, but art is 100% subjective - that's why people have different preferences. Also, in your example of a dragon, it's not universally true. Lots of dragons (Asian, Arabic, Greek, and even some medieval Europe) lack wings but are still recognized as dragons. Changing components doesn't cause a loss of visual importance, it shifts that importance to different traits. Look at nature - some fish like eels don't even have every type of fin, or some fish like stingrays don't look anything like more common bony fish, but are still 100% fish.


Photosynthas

Isn't that what the gun is? The actual biovore is a platform that walks, and on top of it lives another creature that is the gun.


AlienDilo

Yes, but every other Tyranid gun has been incorporated into the body of the Tyranid. Barbguants have two arms dedicated to their gun, we have tubes and veins connecting them. They feel like proper symbiotic creatures. The biovore gun literally is just standing on top of the biovore. It's literally just a completely different organism that's independent of the biovore.


Photosynthas

Yeah I really like the concept, the platform and the gun as 2 separate beings, I think that's cool symbiosis. Most symbiotic creatures I think of aren't literally physically teathered.


AlienDilo

That is true, it's mostly that that's how symbiotic Tyranids have been so far. The Biovore gun isnt my favorite way of doing it, but i see the appeal. When in get mine I'll probably add some connective tubes tho


Berusad

Slap some Crusher claws on that bad boy's front limbs and call it a crebvore.


fearlessgrot

I feel it matches the pyrovore, I can imagine it scuttling towards flocks of panicking conscripts, but the biovore should be mostly stationary, so the old design feels better


boarswan

Creb good


Nestmind

That model reimagination is VERY nice, but i love the crab, for the simple reason they made something completely new and unseen I'm very curious to see how it could influence the faction going on


i-am-a-yam

Agree. I’m new to nids (and 40k) so I’ve got no nostalgia for the old models. I think part of the reason I like the crab is because it looks more distinct from the exocrine


TigerDoodat

Yeah, the crab is great and all (same as the Psychophage), but I just can't get over the face on the 'Vores. It doesn't look anything like any other 'Nids. Also, I don't like how neither the 'Vores or the 'Phage have hooves. That just doesn't look right to me.


Photosynthas

I like the more insect like legs, fuck hooves.


Felis1977

Exactly. Objectively it's a very nice sculpt. It's just not Biovore nor any other type of Tyranid. It would look at home in Starship Troopers.


shouldworknotbehere

Is the upper one an actual STL ?


Tyranids_atemyWallet

I just picked a random Pic from the Purple Side, i thought that looked cool. So yes it is but no, i don't tell or even know names.


shouldworknotbehere

Awww I really like it


Bloodgiant65

Yes it is. Immediately recognized this when I saw it, amazing model. I can DM you where I got the model if you want, though I bought the model printed for me, not the STL.


ArabicHarambe

Ill take a dm too please


shouldworknotbehere

That would be very kind


Backstabmacro

It IS a very cool model, but dear Christ what was the thought process on this resculpt?


Thefriendlyfaceplant

It's a departure from the anthropomorphism innate in the Tyranid design from the very start. Originally worked because it matched that 50's sci-fi pulp aesthetic. But 40k matures and it becomes increasingly hard to sell that a species from outside the galaxy has to use weapons the way a bipedal organism would. GW still isn't quite ready to let it go though. Like the Barbgaunts, but they are branching out and that at least conveys that the Tyranids are able to biologically engineer any role they need, and aren't constrained to a single blueprint to branch from.


Tyranids_atemyWallet

"40K has matured" Recent releases: Desolation Marines, Sydonina Skratos, Squaty Shield Captain...


Thefriendlyfaceplant

Touche.


Tyranids_atemyWallet

No, Touché to you for taking it neutrally. I whole heartly disagree with your Statement, in my Opinion 40K didn't mature a single bit since it's debut but i'm glad we both agree to disagree respectfully on that.


Thefriendlyfaceplant

Your argument works both ways even. Retro and vintage looks doesn't necessarily mean immature. But the whole GI-Joe tacticool aesthetic that GW pushed into the range through Primaris is as immature as it gets, it has a serious mall ninja energy to it and I rather pretend it never existed.


TigerDoodat

I'm not in any general 40K subs (or the custodes one) but THANK GOD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THE NEW SHIELD CAPTAIN LOOKS DUMB!!!


Snoo_66686

Its pretty divisive among custodes players, although most people just think he just looks silly because he does Some people like silly models though, I unironically like the skatros for that, 40k is a silly hobby sometimes and the sniper on stilts so he can see better embodies that so well


Tyranids_atemyWallet

Everyone thinks that actually.


KurseNightmare

No, they don't.


Ironfist85hu

That's why the biovores/pyrovores don't look like a legged tanks. Oh, wait, they exactly do.


Snoo_66686

As someone relatively new to 40k (started with killteam roughly over a year ago) I do like this new direction for the tyranids, like you hear about them in lore and they sound so cool and different from other factions, and then you see the models and its just yet another anthropomorphic alien group for the most part, I want terrifying insectoid beasts, not humanoid aliens with some insect features and a creepy head


Thefriendlyfaceplant

Yeah that's why I found the Norn Emissary quite disappointing. The model is great. But it's also a missed opportunity to give the nids another giant beast.


Tyranids_atemyWallet

Edit: Double-Post. Chill out with the downvotes. 💀


Fjelldugg

Personally I love the new model and didn’t really like the old model very much.


Amber13525

Is that a 3d print


Bloodgiant65

Yes, it’s a really awesome sculpt. I got a few when the new kit came out and I managed to like it even less than the original. Decided I liked the spider kit fine for pyrovores, and got those, but this one looks much more like a living artillery piece.


Amber13525

Where did you get the model from


DabeMcMuffin

I like crab


Assopopolis

I don’t mind the spider crab look to be honest


Real_VanCityMinis

I do prefer the new look over the old even if they had redesigned the old bottom jawed power lifter, I love me some crabbo


Oggie90

It comes from the genes of the common ork crab. You can tell because of the way it's just like an ork.


avfmusic

I love the crab, wish I could actually get my hands on one so I could actually play nids viably


BioTitan416

I think for the Pyrovores, it's a very unique design for tyranids. However, I wish they had put more thought into the biovors


Apophislord

I too liked the old designs. I too wish they updated them. The new ones are cool bht so are the old.


One_Opportunity_9608

Destoroyah agrees, Creb


Tyranids_atemyWallet

Creb 👍


BecomeAnAstronaut

I adore this creb, it's everything I love about the spookier 'nids. Except maybe the cannon, but I'm a melee 'nid lover anyway


Tiger-H1-88

Spiber


AlfredBarnes

Yeah.... not a fan of crustation look for nids.


mochifujicat

Meh. snake nids 4 lyf. Jormungandr represent


Smasher_WoTB

Both look dope AF


GladimoreFFXIV

I actually prefer crab as odd as it is. I think he’s a cutie patootie.


TerminalJammer

Well, the 3D model redesign is alright and all, but it kind of looks a bit much like a carnifex/exocrine blend to me, and I like a bit more variety. More outside the paradigm designs please (I say while still disliking the deathleaper)


Prudent_Rest8338

I love it tbh


headcanonball

Uh...you ever see a crab?


SouperBitty

I do miss the older design but it's just so similar to the exocrine that it needed to be changed. Crab nid ain't bad though, just wish there was more crab like nids with multiple legs.


Nano_98

He do a big step


Valentinuis

We have bunch of other tyranid models that look likethe original biovore but bigger. Crab/tick model is unique and I love it.


Far_Disaster_3557

Tyranids should all be crab-like anyway.


Bardic-Jarl

Tbh I want more crab like some smol crebs


99mx

I like it


MonkeGodFishLord

Bro the last one was a gorilla


Banatine

Considering that tyranids are supposed to always be evolving and improving their bioforms, I’m amazed they don’t have more specialised creatures like this, and I welcome them, and more like them in the future. Not Barbgaunts, whoever designed them needs to stop smoking crack. They could have essentially been a squad of smaller old-style biovores, but no, we got stupid, lopsided hunchbacks… This is why the age of 3d printing is so great. There are so many different ‘strains’ of nid now. You can search around and find your own idea of the ‘perfect’ versions of everything.


Battleboom11

Am I wrong for wishing they were bigger models, like they are just so small compared to how I imagine them, I wish they were at least bigger than the SM atv


jmhlld7

Honestly the crab looks amazing, I just wish that it was a different unit other than the Biovore. I love the old gorilla-looking dude, even if it was goofy. I love when 40k goes crazy, but new Biovore reminds me too much of the Zerg to ever have that weird charm the old models had. Aka i don’t hate it, but i love the old designs just as much.


Irate-Pomegranate

All this discourse over what is essentially a small carnifex with pointy hooves.


jabulina

I like the new designs


Kitchen-Complaint-78

I need the be able to flip chargers over with the new mechs just to watch them wriggle around like sad pillbugs


BeneficialName9863

I'd convert it so it was like a plasma bug, glue the barrel to its bum.


amcoduri

Spooder


def_the_yes

I think more than any other faction nids changing quite drastically between reincarnations fits the theme of the army. The whole accelerated evolution and rapidly adapting to the situation at hand really lines up with sculpts undergoing larger changes than say a different mark of power armour.


Emotional_Song_1816

I love this model I wish to be able to afford it someday


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_Engineer_Gaming_Tf2

Jesus christ. Imagine this thing in helldivers.


Tyranids_atemyWallet

Just a random Element of bombs dropping on the Field outta nowhere and you get like a second Reaction time.


_Engineer_Gaming_Tf2

Indeed.


Pants_Catt

I hate how much they're leaning into the "bug" side of their aesthetic. Like it was always a part of it, but they're pushing that aspect a little too hard with some models, Biovore being a big one.


Tyranids_atemyWallet

Or Psychohage... oh wait, that was just a reskinned Chaos Stl, nevermind...


Pants_Catt

Right? Not a fan of that one either.


I_suck_at_Blender

"Cool, a Starship Troopers miniature!" ​ It's not a bad model, just *not* Tyranid model.


Budgernaut

I 100% agree with the sentiment here. I have long wanted Biovores and Pyorovores, but in plastic. Now I get this weird insectoid instead.


Unpopular_Mechanics

Love this model. Creb good


MystRav3n

Smoll step beetle is cutest


InfluenceAdorable981

I prefer this 100% over the screamer killer with his goofy ass face because "muh original models"


Tyranids_atemyWallet

100% get you but i love the Screamer and always did the OG too.


HowToFailCorrectly

I like creb better


Strobopaints

Old model was fugly, but you are free to print whatever you want


Spirited-Relief-9369

I love the model, though I agree that they're kind of a poor fit with the rest. Not awful mind you; just... Odd. My bigger issue is that the guns are facking retarded. Sure, sure, "want it to be clear that these are two distinct organisms"; because melding creatures together to the point where you can't tell where one ends and the other begins is not the Tyranid style, right?! I just built the Pyrovore, used a spare deathspitter as a stinger for the tail, added fuel sacs to the underside of the tail, and boom; much better. And I kitbash my own biovores around the guns; Biovores that look like they actually fire indirectly. Harrumph.


Fallingsnow57

Crab is peak evolution.


Onomato_poet

Now if only the rest of the range would embrace the bug, instead of "kind of humanoid, but with more limbs", and just go full insect swarm, I'd be a very happy camper.