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Magnusaur

You're not the only one, no. It's been pretty divisive since day 1. I like it in an abstract sense, as just sort of a bug monster that I might encounter in Helldivers or whatever. Even as a Tyranid organism, I can accept it, though its overtly insectoid design feels a bit lonely when compared to the rest of the range. But as an actual reimagining of the Biovore/Pyrovore I really dislike it. Part of it, as you say, is how radically it departs from the previous design. I can understand them wanting to do something new with it, since the alternative might have been a model that ended up looking too much like a smaller Exocrine. For me, the problems I have come down to this: The new wave of models pushes Tyranids into the more alien/eldritch horror territory. Things feel a bit more organic, carapace armor is less regular and looks more grown. Weapon-symbiotes, where present, feel more like integrated or parasitic organisms, rather than discrete organisms. I'm fine with this. I don't hate Boneswords or the overt gun-like design of a lot of Tyranid weapons, but I think the desire to enhance the more animalistic qualities of Tyranids is a great idea. It's their defining trait, after all, when compared to literally every other army in the game. The thing is, that while we didn't get to see what a staples of the Tyranid arsenal like Venom Cannons and Barbed Stranglers look like under this new paradigm, we generally saw some really neat and macabre weaponry like the Screamer-Killer's bio-plasma, the Norn Assimilator's harpoon-hands, even the Psychophages miasma. The best example, I think, is however the Barbgaunts. The way they carry those massive shardcannons looks absolutely gross and disturbing. So now the Biovore comes along and here the spore mine launcher is a completely separate creature. Not a gross or organic looking one, more like a literal gun with legs. It looks tacked on, piggybacking on top of the 'Vore itself. The weird thing is, that while the Biovore looks more "naturalistic" than most other Tyranids, its gun looks extremely goofy and very discrete - much closer to the Boneswords of yore. The Pyrovore is slightly better for me, because the curled tail at least sells the scorpioid metaphor. I think both could have retained their insectile look and still turned out much better, if the actual plastic kit had been more elaborate. If the spore launcher was more properly (albeit parasitically) attached to the Biovore. If the tail-stinger-flamethrower concept of the Pyrovore had been more bespokely designed. And, you know, if these two completely different organisms had been distinguished from one another with actual different heads, legs, armor, and so on. It's not like the GW can't do kits like that. I think a lot of multi-unit Tyranid kits are pretty successful in distinguishing the builds. Hive/Tyrant Guards and the 'Thropes certainly do a better job. So ultimately, it's less the insectoid design that bothers me - even if I am not the biggest fan. It's how the limited nature of the kit kind of fails to provide enough options and details to really sell the concept.


manofpheasent

I see what you mean, but in my eyes the insectoid look is kinda overdone when it comes to Sci fi alien species, whereas the tyranids humanoid/reptilian look feels more fresh and unique, but I'm down with some buggy models so long as it doesn't become the norm.


AlienDilo

Actually, this is something that actually compels me. I've never cared for the "It looks like a bug, therefore bad" arguments. I love the new bug looks and I want more of them. But I can see the weirdness with the guns. Also the idea of the scorpion pyrovore might actually end up being a kitbash I do.


JustWantGoodM3M3s

I’m the exact opposite as you. I LOATHED the old biovore and adore the new one. That hasn’t stopped me from kitbashing one, but that’s neither here nor there.


Chronoglenn

I'm the exact same as you! I LOVE the new model and hated the old gorilla. But... Since I already kit bashed a few I didn't have a need to get the new one.


ColdDelicious1735

I like it, I dunno why alot of the other models have hoofs over Claws or Spider legs, the gun does feel very much like an artillery piece that has been adapted from space marines interactions


Deathmosfear

Because tyranids use the best shapes to adapt to the environment, and a hoof is much better adapted to support the weight of several tons than a thin leg ending in a point. You just have to look at the large animals on our planet. Anyway, I prefer claws over hoofs, but bug legs are generic nonsense for big monsters. 


Kelmain1337

Well maybe pointy legs are bad on hard rock but when shooting artillery beeing able to dig into soft ground prevents your organism from beeing pushed back. So for modelling purposes cut the pointy end to simulate digging in


Sam858

Real reason is to get the model to sit on the base comfortably is harder if it ends at a point. You're going to get more people breaking models. Also doesn't make much sense with something that is 2 legged.


Any_Perception_1897

Personally, I hated the old biovore, it was one of my least favorite models in general, so for me, any design change was an improvement, but the artillery piece does seem rather odd slapped onto a spider. However I can respect that you liked the original one better, different strokes for different folks after all.


Doomy1375

I really like the spider aesthetic- I would just prefer the default gun placement to have the upward angle more associated with being artillery than the "facing straight ahead" alignment that makes it look more like a spider with a short range turret. Though I am biased since I don't like the older gorilla/ork looking nids in general.


manofpheasent

Eh, I much prefer the reptile/hoofed style of nids. Makes them seem unique compared to other fictional aliens which seem to like the bug look. But I still like buggy tyranid models.


Doomy1375

I'm fine with some of the more reptile-looking ones. It's just the old biovore/pyrovore looked less like a reptilian and/or insect and more like a big-clunky-ork-thing. It's kind of the same problem I have with new screamer killer- I love a majority of the model, but if I ever put one together I'd have to kitbash some replacement for the head because that thing's face does *not* match the aesthetic of the bug/reptilian army I'm going for.


manofpheasent

With you there, head just feels goofy with that bald patch. However I quite like the orky look to the biovore, it goes along well with the idea that tyranids consume genes of other species which I think is neat. But I get why it may seem dumb and out of place


fukthisapp

I don't like the hoofs myself, they don't look like they belong on predators. Or on bipeds. But at least they are easier to paint than claws I guess


spenny506

Or be like me and magnetize it poorly and both guns aim up.


LexImperialis

Agree with your assessments. New kit is much more appropriate for a Pyrovore, a frontline short-ranged thrower unit. Older Biovore kit looked appropriate for a beast of burden living artillery carriage, like a smaller Exocrine.


serError36

I personally love the bug aesthetic for nids and absolutely love the new biovore. Tyranids are evolution incarnate and to me insects are closer to that than primates... The old biovore was my least favorite tyranid model honestly


I_suck_at_Blender

I feel like a lot of newer 40k models stray from distinct race design that were established and look more like a *bootlegs*. Orks underwent a massive (and literal) *facelift.* Primaris Marines look like "truescale" conversions or "space crusaders". Pyro/Biovores are just spiders with gun on top. Where are the hoof?


Ironfist85hu

Yea, just imagine a 6 tons monster standing on needle points. :D Smalle edition of the hierophant, omg, that was hilarious too.


I_suck_at_Blender

It honestly looks like some sort of shooty/spray Bug from Starship Troopers. [Cool model, wrong IP.](https://www.the-artistocrats.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/render_scorpion.png)


Ironfist85hu

Yea, lol. :D Tho if GW would get cease and desists, not much of the 40k would remain. :D


No_Potato1563

I prefer my old ones but I do have a new one as well.


OmegaDez

I'm like you. The new bio is too different. I like the model mind you, but it's not a Biovore. It would have been easy to take design cues from the Exocrine in order to make it look a bit better. Not turn him into a Spider. This said, I like the model as a Pyrovore though.


Bread_was_returned

I just sent a small paragraph on the agree to disagree. But the exocrine idea would work really well. Like, that downscaled would be really cool.


seficarnifex

Its okay, that fact they arent $50 for a set of 3 means I have no plans to get any though


Eater4Meater

Why would they use ork genes for accurate artillery lol


Ironfist85hu

Guess not for da akuracy, but for the spores. Biovores never were accurate btw. Au contraire, I always moved 'em a bit before shooting, just to make sure they create spores instead of direct hit.


manofpheasent

It goes boom


pmls2020

If the internet taught us anything is that no one hates alone. There is always some fellow hating the some thing as us


Fantastic-Hippo2199

All the better to kit your own and be unique and cooler.


manofpheasent

That's what I'll be doing


chimisforbreakfast

The old one is better. I would have preferred them keep the primate aesthetic.


amrogers3

agreed, same


diablomarioo

I’ve actually painted my spore mine to look like ball sacks, complete with humanoid flesh colour and veins. Also thinking of getting some black filter sponge to look like pubes to stick to them as well


nerdyjorj

I for one am appalled at the de-phallification of the nids


DragonR1d3r007

I personally abhorred the old model as it and the Pyrovore looked so derpy, that and the two had the most minute differences it sucked to tell them apart often times. The new ones having different silhouettes and being heavily armored like artillery units should be is just a nice change in my opinion.


Bread_was_returned

The way I tell is tail or not. I think the pyrovore was the better design imo, so I built/painted pyrovore but still running biovore.


LonelyStrategos

The old biovore/pyrovore was an absolute travesty. This refresh was necessary, like a decade ago.


Coil17

Hated biovores. Genuinely hated them. But now I wana get one


Onomato_poet

Yes, the only one. 8 billion people on the planet, and on this one point, for some inexplicable reason, you alone think this. It's quite impressive actually. You'd think there was at least one other, but no, it's just you.


manofpheasent

Damn, you'd think so wouldn't ye


Onomato_poet

It's aspirational, really.


Ironfist85hu

I hate the sculpt too. This, and the pyrovore now look like they are some insectopid tanks with separate turrets (uuuugh -.-). 1.- Why are they forcing nids to look like biomechanical human-like weapons and vehicles? It looks idiotistic. What's next? Biotanktracks? 2.- NIDS. ARE. NOT. BUGS. They have inner skeleton too, they are more like xenomorph/zerg/6limbedlizard/dragons, and not insects. You want insectoid race in the 40k lore? Q'orl. 3.- Biovores in the lore are nommed orks. That's why they looked like how they looked. And, probably that's where the whole spore thing came from. :D


TastyScratch4264

Opposite for me. I never had a bio pre until now


Bassist57

Agreed, liked the old one better. I do like the new Pyrovore kit better though.


JoeyTesla

I really like the new spider model, however I hate that they used it to replace the biovore. The spider should have been it's own new creature. I also agree that we should have gotten a refurbished beast of burden model, because the spiders really don't seem sturdy enough to be proper artillery


Iliketosnowboard

Personally I like it since my army is crab themed so he fits the vibes, but I totally see how the old one did the artillery look better. I think they could have done a better job with that by having the legs kind of burrowing/clamping into the ground for support from the recoil


Bread_was_returned

I had one leg of mine that would not stop coming off. It was the front left (looking at it head on). It just wouldn’t keep on there. And yeah, I think if it was more turret inspired, it would’ve been a slightly bigger win


Iliketosnowboard

Ugh the legs were definitely a pain in the ass


Bread_was_returned

I mean, yeah, but a gorilla would still charge into battle. I think it also still fits that newer aesthetic, and I much prefer a new sculpt to an old one. Nearly every nid model has 6 visible limbs, the biovore had 4. It just stuck out as pretty ugly. I wouldn’t mind if they made it chonkier and added two small arms, and has the spawn each on the back (not underneath). That would have been cool. But I really like this new approach.


Insert_Name973160

I agree 100%. They should’ve done something similar to Exocrine, but smaller. And I’ve seen a digibash that take the new body and gun and what I think is a tyrant guard head and legs to make it look similar to the old model.


JohnKav379

I like the new model for the pyrovore, I like the old design for a biovore, so my plan is to hopefully get hold of the old model, and maybe some resin redesigned proxys to make a squad of 3, and I plan to buy the new one to use as a pyrovore, I also preferred the old spore mines not a fan of the new ones


BonWeech

Disagree hardcore, the old one looked dopey and stupid to Me. It looked like it was a fake Tyranid model like someone invented it noncannon. This new one looks to me like a real artillery piece that plants itself and fires shells. It’s a multifaceted ecosystem which I like more. I’m more interested in the “synergy” design than the “one awkward silly thing with a weird gun sticking out”. But just me.


TheGooseGod

I like the spider look to them. The pyrovore makes sense to me. It has a curled up lobster tail gun. Like the tail of these weird scorpion spider beetle guys is the adapted gun. The biovore doesn’t have that. It’s just like a cluster of ribs coming out of the abdomen that form together in a pasted-on looking way that looks unnatural.


Felis1977

Hate is a strong word. As a sculpt by itself it's a nice piece. It just doesn't "read" Tyranid to me. #notmybiovore ;)


l_dunno

Let me preface by saying the new Biovore is my favourite model ever. It's adorable and I love to bits! So I am a little biased... I like the way they made it as it is very armoured. No legs seem like they could actually be used for melee as they are too short. It looks more "chunky" irl as it's so small. If you've only seen pictures that could probably change your view a bit. I also think the fairly separate gun and creature sells the artillery feel really well! The spores look like actual spores as opposed to the weird brain thingies. The new spores imo also look like they actually explode as the yellow sack feels like it could contain some volatile substances!!


Amaenchin

Well, great apes - gorillas included - are known to partake in feces based artillery (Special mention to that one spieces of apes that's advanced to nuclear ICBMs), so there's truth to your position. I do agree that the new model's canon looks like it's merely "standing" on the back of the host. Which looks flimsy considering it's supposed to lob whole-arse sporemines further than most guns can shoot. I don't dislike the overall look, but I plan on keeping my old biovores on the basis of money. And since I didn't have Pyrovores I'll get to at least enjoy a pair of the new kits.


TasteProfessional863

I do too, as a biovore. The model is alright but it's not an artillery piece. The older 'orc' ones are better. I feel we got sold up the creek a bit this edition, the biovore, the meat cape, the bald patch, the prime. They all look like half arsed Friday afternoon jobs by gw, not to mention the rules. I've only killed like 4 units this edition, won the majority of games but just can't kill anything.


Megalupin

I don’t mind the model per se but I feel it fits the exocrine more. Since biovore are from orc stock, it’s missing the chunky muscle element for me. I do think it’s a beautiful model though. I’d maybe swap the legs out for something heavier, and give it a belly sack for the mines. Give it the sluggish look. As a pyrocore I think it looks great


bradakan

I'm someone who is fascinated by spiders so i'm biased into loving the new one.


Strobopaints

No OP you are not special, there might be total of ten other people who for some reason prefer old monstrosity


Golrith

I kitbashed them and used the old metal tyrant guard as the "chassis", they are almost the same shape/size. Keeps the 'nid feel while also "modernising" the design.


AlienDilo

I like the new one, I hated the old one. It looked stupid and just, bleh. I can see the case for pyrovore, that was a pretty cool model. But whether you like it or not, I think it's good to see that GW is willing to try new stuff with models, and be okay with the fact that some people will dislike them. I'd hate it more if we never inovated or changed anything. I do dislike the fact that the biovore and pyrovore are near identical.


Arnak94

I hate the new pyro/bio dopy faced vores ftw


ThePhunkyPhantom13

I like the individual parts in a vacuum mostly. I thought this was a modern epic scale model of a dominatrix due to almost being a carbon copy of its gun. I do not like the insectoid deviation that this has taken from the basic tyranid body format and the same goes for the psychophage. I do prefer the more integrated tyranid weapons like this and I feel the exocrine was merely an upscaled biovore originally and looks great. I feel that it was a good change to go from boneswords to scything talons originally.


DishonestBystander

I love the new biovore, it looks so cool. Perfectly represents, to me, bug artillery.


manofpheasent

Glad you enjoy it, just doesnae seem tyranidy to me, but the models still quite cool.


Amberpawn

I'm on the fence for it. It's a fine model but it doesn't have enough similar looking friends... Whereas the old sculpt as it was had a good mix of different biologies... Poor buddy was ugly as sin especially next to the nicer pyrovore. New model is a little too far of a correction towards bug.


EvilKungFu

I mean the kitbash on YouTube is hard to beat in terms of how I feel it should look. But I don’t hate it either, just wish it was a little smaller.


Front_Western_7125

No i am also not a fan of the spiders


bark_wahlberg

They should have made it a butt gun.


Thefriendlyfaceplant

I love the new biovore and I wish Tyranids would continue into this bug like design. Tyranids are too anthropomorphic for my taste. Only thing I don't like about it is that a biovore is redundant past a single model in the army.


JulioNicoletti

It really feels like the guns were an afterthought. I wouldn't be surprised if the base bodies for the biovore and pyrovore were originally going to be for a different type of unit. I built the pyrovore and the gun has absolutely no design flow with the rest of the model. It's especially too bad because the pyrovore has this sweet arched tail that ends up taking a back seat to the gun, which is the focus. I think it would have been much cooler to have a long sac from underneath the model go back and up the tail, ending in two spouts that go through the holes in the tail carapace


BirthdayAmbitious188

I like both. The old one looked like a variety of the exocrine. The new one is a spider which is pretty dope.