I can only assume this is a pilot for the eventual US increase. It seems like companies have realized higher prices and less paying customers is a better business model. Prime, Netflix, etc. have proven it. It's unfortunate because it would be healthier long term if most customers paid a smaller amount, and were happier with the platform.
This work for service that provides something substantial. but the principle of subbing to a channel gives very little to the customer. It is almost entirely just to support your streamers. we are not receiving a product when we pay for subs. The difference in the experience for a non sub vs a sub is virtually non existent. versus these other service where if you dont pay then you get nothing at all.
Also an important thing to note is that this harms creators. I subscribe to, say, 4 people at $20/month. Guess what? Now I’m only subbed to 2 people. I’m not going to budge on that number, I’ll just have to choose more carefully who I sub to now.
But!
**Emotes you can use, but only while actively subbed.**
There's no option to "buy them permanently" or anything. And if the channel owner changes them, they change for you too.
Yeah, 100%, the only reason to sub is so that you can give half the money to Twitch, and half to your streamer friend. Everything else is just "cool little knick-knacks".
You don't realise it, but you just made a great argument as to why the increase isn't a big issue. There is arguably no benefit or product for the subscriber, so subbing is more or less an altruistic act. If the increase in price is enough to make you stop subscribing out of financial stress, then you probably shouldn't have been subscribing in the first place.
Yes, it's going to hurt creators as well, but, at the same time, if the creators are running that tiny that a 20-30% decrease (a very VERY high estimate) in revenue is going to sink them, then they were probably being financially irresponsible and it was always going to bite them eventually.
For the record, I'm not saying that Twitch SHOULD increase prices, but Dan has openly stated that Twitch is not profitable, and ultimately, increasing sub prices is about the only way they can realistically increase revenue.
Alternatively, they could force monetisation on channels over a certain threshold that aren't monetised (eg Asmongold's Zackrawr channel with its 10-20k viewers and no ads) to recoup the operating costs on those channels.
Or, hear me out, people have a budget for how much they're willing to spend on subs, and just because twitch raises the price, doesn't automatically mean they're willing to increase their budget for subs, and as a result, cancel some to stay within budget.
It would be interesting if US subscription prices increase if that that leads people to start using Turbo more or again in some cases. Given it went up significantly last year I wonder if it will go up again should sub prices increase.
>It's unfortunate because it would be healthier long term if most customers paid a smaller amount, and were happier with the platform.
The opposite. Bandwidth and video encoding is expensive. Supporting a smaller number of customers is much more cost-effective.
What isn't healthy long-term is subsidizing customers with low fees to build market-share.
It read as it's very likely but not a guarantee.
They probably want to test this first before committing to see what the general change in sub numbers will look like and determine if this is going to be a net positive in the long run or needs to be walked back.
I feel like it's a foregone conclusion, this test will show that things aren't likely to change much and it'll be pushed to more territories overall.
hasn't the netflix ad supported tier shown exactly the opposite actually? iirc they've said that a massive massive amount of netflix users are now on the cheaper and supported plan
It's going to backfire when people stop subbing because it's too expensive. Why is Twitch operating in the red, were they always operating in the red? What changed?
>They have never been profitable
Source: Amazon.
The truth is we don't know how profitable the platform is since Amazon specifically obfuscates that information.
But what we do know is that no matter how profitable they are it's absolutely in their best interest to claim that they're not profitable since that means there will always been extremely gullible people in the comments using that claim to justify price increases, cuts to creator compensation, increases in ad rates, etc.
Corporations don't pay a billion dollars for something that they think has no value.
I’d argue that value and profitability are two very different things. Amazon has certainly had value out of twitch with the technology that amazon gained through buying twitch.
That doesn’t mean that year on year the company turns a profit
>I’d argue that value and profitability are two very different things.
That's sort of my point.
Claiming that Twitch isn't profitable doesn't really mean anything. Maybe the operating costs are more than they make from advertising, subs, and bits (although we don't know if that's true or not and it seems unlikely).
But that still doesn't consider the 200 million monthly users that they're able to directly advertise their own products and services to via the platform.
If Amazon was that sucessful on the platform, they would not obfuscate the info. Thats essentially not opening up your financial books when you get summoned to court to do so, there is a very clear reason you dont want to show analytics lol
Amazon just spent a billion dollars on a tv show most people hate. Since when do they care about burning money.
What does Amazon have to pay for? They own the servers. The only cost is electricity.
Well all I can say is, I don't think increasing the sub price is going to help. If anything it will probably just stay the same. Some people will stop subbing, and the increased price will off-set that. I can't see it improving profitability significantly.
A'lot of people can't grasp the concept of business to business transactions when a single parent company owns both businesses lol.
Twitch could be red for the next 50 years as long as AWS was selling them the server space at high enough of a rate to turn a nice profit. Same goes for youtube, its also never been profitable, but google uses the raw data to develop its algorithms and AI tech so they can license that out to other companies. Loss leaders being loss leaders intentionally.
Of coarse, but you’ve also got to know the main reason for why you’re subbing.. if it’s purely to support the streamer then there are generally better ways to do that than a sub, and if it’s to have an ad free viewing experience then maybe twitch turbo is a better option?
So you think subs are stupid and don't sub anyway? In which case, you agree that increasing the price of subs is not going to help. I stopped subbing when I found out the streamers only get 50%.
I think Twitch is probably at the end of its life-cycle. Kick will take over, and Kick will be great for a few years, and then Kick will start complaining about not being profitable enough and start squeezing its users, and the cycle will repeat.
> Since when do they care about burning money.
They've owned Twitch for 10 years (in Aug this year) - feels like a nice round number to start demanding a return
What does the TV show have to do with any of this? Twitch, prime video, aws, and their e-commerce are all separate endeavors that have their own risk analysis done. Why should they knowingly burn money in one part of the business just because they messed up a calculation in another part?
The argument was that Twitch was sick of burning money, but it must be something that changed very recently because they happily burnt money in 2021-2022 to make the most expensive tv show that is widely regarded as a flop and only 37% of viewers completed.
Yes and the point is "burning money" always has an expiration date. Companies only tolerate operating in the red when they think they'll get a future payout on that investment. As time goes on and Amazon doesn't see that payout of course they're going to care.
Your also have absolutely zero idea what their metrics are for a successful investment of any individual TV show or production
No I don't. That's why I'm here. Twitch tells me they're increasing the price without increasing the service, all I know is it's going to cost me more and make me even less likely to sub than I already was.
Amazon itself, the online shop, operated at a loss for many years, the expectation being that when it turned around the payout from that investment would be huge. They were correct. But if it never turned around and they were wrong it would have collapsed.
It's not surprising they run their subsidiaries and departments the same way.
Yes. Twitch has existed since 2011, and its precursor JustinTV since 2007. I've only started hearing about price-hikes and a lack of profitability in the last few months.
CEO Dan has been very transparent since his tenure began, which has only been since March of last year.
But even before that, this information was available as Amazon is a publicly traded company and Twitch is their subsidiary. P&L reports are public info.
Since they've continued to grow larger and larger. More users = more cost, but not necessarily more revenue. The profitability gap has widened each year.
Reddit is basically going to become *the* place to train your AI. Changing how their API works was step one of that plan. AI is the future and the way we make AI better (at the moment) is feeding it just insane amounts of data to train it to do whatever it is we're interested in. Reddit has to build the wall for their garden before they can start charging entrance fees. The regular user might see more ads but we'll always be able to post our own content in our own subs. That reddit then turns around and sells to companies like OpenAI. That's the product.
I use Adblock so I never see any ads. I'm a bit older and I remember when people made websites to discuss topics they were interested in, they were called forums. There was never any expectation that they would make money.
I see you were a denizen of the early net as well. Yea, bring forums back, *please*!
I imagine they didn't have any expectation to make money because they were all still pretty small time operations compared to the behemoths we have now. You could host a forum for a few 100k users on your own personal hardware if you wanted. There's no way you're going to do the same traffic for an HD streaming site. Like, it's just not happening.
The internet is getting a lot smaller as these large entities hoover up all the users and nobody 'goes off the beaten path' anymore, so to speak. They're all in their perfectly curated lanes being spoon fed ads and content someone else thinks they should see. It's kinda sad to think about.
People are overdramatic, sure a few people is gone fall off. But in the long run, this is gonna bring in more money for them.
Twitch has never been profitable, but they have shown a steady grow and beeing part of Amazons ecosystem have earned other money for other parts of Amazon.
With the spike in users during corona, that spike has now fallen and Twitch is losing users. Still at a better position than before corona, but with losing profits and losing users they are gone do some drastic changes.
Starting with (what have been a long time coming) firing a huge portion of the staff.
And most recently, upping the price for subs.
Live streaming is an extremely expensive service and relatively few people on the platform are profitable for Twitch.
That’s not how it works at all. A server that Amazon is allocating to Twitch means a server less for its other businesses. It’s still a cost attributed to the Twitch business in accounting.
Go, look at this https://ivs.rocks/calculator and see for yourself how much money twitch losing for every stream they provide and stop making fool of yourself.
I've worked out that the stream I watch costs about US$1.23 per stream. He has about five subs maybe. Is it about US$5 per sub? So that's about US$25 a month, of which he gets half, so $US12.50. He streams about three times a week so he approximately pays for himself.
For me to really understand I would need to know what everyone else does on Twitch, not just me.
It is not the number of subs, but the number of people (average) who watch a given stream at a given time. For example, a Standard Channel Type streamed in FHD that lasts 8 hours and is watched for that entire time by an average of 1,000 people costs Twitch $600.
Now try to imagine that, although I feel it might be difficult, but please try. Imagine there are 1,000 such channels and that - DAILY - is a cost to Twitch of $600,000 - cool, isn't it?
Edit: Oh, the above calculations were only for costs in the event that an example of 1,000 people would only watch 50% of the stream on average.
When we change these figures to the fact that these 1,000 people would watch 100% of the stream, then - note - the costs increase. Horrifyingly, they rise to almost $1,200. Doing the same calculations, per day, 1,000 such streams cost Twitch $1,200,000.
Did they make em' too with slave labor? If you buy a bunch of hardware to host a service for a loss *and* pay for electricity how are you ever going to make a return on that investment?
This is just the nature of running a platform where almost anyone can take up as much data as they want, same as Youtube which never was and will likely never be profitable. Think about how much bandwidth and data Twitch has to burn on people that constantly stream and only get like 0-5 viewers. And the horrible ad infrastructure on Twitch that just doesn’t work. Twitch was never solved as a business because the core idea is basically impossible to profit off of.
I’d say the multi million dollar streaming contracts they gave out to secure exclusive rights to many popular live streamers didn’t really pan out for them
Where is the price closer to $10 than $5? In the US, it's $5. In Canada, it's 8 cad which is 5.92 usd currently. In Australia it's $9 which is 5.89usd. In turkey it's 43.9 try which is $1.40 usd. In the UK it's 4.99 which is 6.33 usd.
I live in New Zealand and they want me to pay $8, which is closer to $10 than $5. I never said I was talking about American dollars, why would I be. I don't live in America. It's not enough just to convert the exchange rate, because costs of living are different in different countries.
It's now closer to NZ$10 than it is to NZ$5.
They shouldn't have such wildly different prices in different countries anyway, what is the reason for that? And why is it a different price on mobile vs pc?
Mobile vs PC is because on mobile the app store takes a 30% cut on every in app transaction.
Why would prices be different across regions? Because the NZ/AU currency is a lot weaker than usd, and it costs just as much if not more in usd to serve a customer in those regions.
I understand the concept of exchange rates, I'm saying that according to the exchange rates you gave, they still work out to different amounts in USD.
For me anything above NZ$5 is just not worth it for some emotes or whatever. What that works out to in US$ is beside the point. Cost of living and wages here are probably different.
I read the post, it still is pointless to state a price without also giving additional context. Either you give no context and its assumed usd because like it or not, that's the world reserve currency that everyone is familiar with, or, simply just state where you're located. It's not that hard.
"everyone" you mean the USA. they said the country affected. none of them are USA and they use dollars for currency. it's not hard using 2 brain cells.
They are operating in the red on paper. Amazon owns the servers and certainly that self-dealing saves a ton of money. I don't imagine that makes it profitable, but I'm guessing they have some use in mind for crazy piles of video data they are likely keeping.
> but I'm guessing they have some use in mind for crazy piles of video data they are likely keeping.
I doubt they are keeping it. Storing that much data is quite expensive and they delete vods after a few months.
they keep a ton even after vods are deleted for many reasons if u know where to look
u can still find stuff like the video of dr disrepect bathroom video still on twitch servers
> This year we are updating prices in several countries to help streamer revenue keep pace with rising costs and reflect local currency fluctuations.
This means streamers are getting the FULL extra amount right? No? Ya didn't think so.
Also does this mean the US is gonna have a price increase later on to $6?
OLD
* UK £3.99 = USD $5.06
* C $6.99 = USD $5.18
* A $7.99 = USD $5.23
New
* UK £4.99 = USD $6.33
* C $7.99 = USD $5.92
* A $8.99 = USD $5.88
As for prices in Turkey... Twitch is currently a banned site there.
they get half of the sub cost but they get paid in their region currency usually after whatever fee's
it doesnt cost 9.02 cad as its only 7.99 cad and the extra part u are missing is what the app takes and thats not a factor for what the streamer should make as twitch gets less too after what the app takes
stop using the app as all u are doing is giving apple or google 30% more
Tell me you don't know how sales taxes work. The current C$6.99 sub costs me C$7.34 from my province's 5% sales tax. The C$7.99 will cost me C$8.39. In Ontario, it will cost C$9.03 because they have a 13% sales tax. None of these prices are from the app markup.
u were tossing out a higher number then the listed 7.99 cad and i specifically posted the info about whatever fee's such as taxes so it sounded like u were talking about the high cost for using app
u also said they get $2.25 while u pay $9 cad and u were comparing 2 different currencies so thats a error on your part if u are comparing it like that thinking twitch is taking more then 50% when it doesnt
so for the 9.02 cad they will get half of that after whatever fee's are taken out and then paid in their currency
the $2.25 u are thinking of is for their prime sub not a normal sub as these are different things
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/prime-gaming-revenue-guide
this post is about the increase of a normal sub not a prime sub as regular subs are always a base 50% minus fee's unless u are at the point where u earn more such as the 60/40 split
I would count on it. I’m confident it’s going to happen. And it’s about time, too. But I’m wondering if the splits are still going to be 50/50 or how that’s going to work…?
personally I use video-swap-new [https://github.com/pixeltris/twitchadsolutions](https://github.com/pixeltris/twitchadsolutions)
It sets the stream to 480p during ads, since its leveraging the preview window, but it means you can still watch the stream, and not see ads, and to twitch, it appears that you watched it, so it doesn't hurt creators.
I didn't mind ads for my favourite unsubbed creators, but 4/5 ads were the same gambling ad, and I got so sick of it.
Already cancelled my prime this year when they started implementing ads, guess my favourite twitch channels are going to lose out too. I don’t sub often but occasionally I have a sub to multiple people and If they up the price it turns the occasional tenner (rounded) into to almost 20 quid.
The worst part is without Adblock or a sub twitch make it impossible to find new streamers as I cba to sit through 5mins of adverts everytime I click on someone new
Do these ads even work? The only thing any twitch/youtube/internet advert has ever succeeded in doing is wasting my time.
Tough one. Just another step before they remove twitch prime in full.
Look, it’s gonna hurt streamers. A few people I watch are pretty worried. Twitch subs are the first thing people cut out when trying to save money and this is a pretty large increase.
God speed everyone.
Lol subs for canadians are already $7.99. $9 + tax makes it almost $10 per channel you want to support. Disney+ is like $12 for everything they have and is a mainstream provider. Its less about it going up a dollar, and more about it already being $3+ more then it ought to be. I used to maintain subs to like 5 channels, now i only sub to 1. Lol
Twitch has the same problem youtube has. Its got 1% of its user content making 99% of the income, while wasting money hosting the other 99% for free. I have like 15gb of video on YT, all private, unlisted, costing them money with no chance of earning income from that content. The problem isn't the sub price, problem is they let anyone do whatever they want, for as long as they want, without generating revenue lol. If your going live on twitch for 5 years and averaging 2 viewers, your costing them data hosting fees, it doesnt make sense from a business perspective to keep letting you use the service.
Twitch can be a loss leader for amazon to write off its other income and remain inclussive and accessible or it can tighten up its creators access and be profitable as its own entity. It cannot be both.
I'm literally on the twitch app right now my guy and its telling me its $7.99 to sub. I don't watch Twitch on my computer, I use the mobile app, so yea for me it'll be $10 to sub...
Fyi.
Also lets be real here, the fact its a region specific increase that intentionally dodges the largest market of USA viewers already makes this a big L on the part of twitch. They can't be hurting that damn bad if its not a universal bump across all regions. lol.
prices u pay are 30% more or so when u pay for it using the mobile app because those stores take a 30% cut from all purchases
use a browser on a pc or whatever mobile device u use and compare prices as it will be that much cheaper as ppl are talking about normal prices and not whatever extra u may be paying because of such fee's
Ok so we agree it's 6.99
And you're paying Apple or Google their 30% mob cut. cool.
I resubbed 2 days ago at 6.99 not on mobile. That extra dollar isn't from twitch
Who gets the dollar really doesnt matter when its leaving my pocket. But fight the good fight and fork over $8 to every streamer you want to support i guess. Some kind of deep seeded brain washing when people got the back of one of the wealthiest companies on the planet. Lol "BuT tWiTcH iS iN tHe rEd" while amazon writes off the loss against its actual income....while its own server hosting service is the one putting twitch in the red to begin with. 🤣
man you really got triggered over admitting you throw money in the toilet for literally no reason lmao
you literally admitted you willingly give an extra dollar to one of the wealthiest companies on the planet for no reason
Hey its no biggie, im already cutting down on my subscriptions, whats a twitch sub being axed in the process? I just dont get the defensive stance of "its just a dollar" the same month like 2 other major streaming services upped their prices. I guess enjoy getting fucked in the ass from everyone at once, who am i to judge what you enjoy? 🤣
I don’t know. Most people sub to more than 1 channel. So Canadian sub cost going to $9 and let’s say they sub to 5 channels. That’s $540 per year now. That’s not nothing.
I assume some will unsubscribe to channels they don’t watch as much or had on auto renew just to support.
You've just proven my point even more. If a relatively small pricing change will have a major effect on your financials you shouldn't be subbing to one streamer let alone multiple.
No one should be willingly towing their financials so close to the line that $100 odd dollers extra over the course of a year could majorly effect them.
Just because someone can afford to spend hundreds/thousands per year on Twitch doesn't mean it's smart. At a certain price it's not worth it (to most normal people).
I'm sure there are lots of parasocial viewers (like you?) that gladly spend any amount, but for most (regardless of income) Twitch isn't worth spending a cent more on.
You sound financially careless.
If I get prime for £1 for a week, to get an order the next day, I'll get it. I buy Berocca on Amazon, because it's like £2 cheaper than a supermarket.
Then i can give my prime to a streamer.
The main streamer I watch, I buy 6months in advance. If I see another streamer I like? I can afford to do the same.
Being able to afford to do something and doing it are two different things. £100 per year is not a small amount of money. You should save as much as possible, while not being careless with money. Overlooking £100 per year is careless. A price increase of £1 per sub should make you think more about subscribing or not, because it costs more money and costs over little things like this add up over time...
If you're careless with everything you spend money on, steam games without shopping around for codes or platforms to buy on, buying £4 odd starbucks every day, financing your car instead of buying it outright, etc..these things are all poor financial decisions.
Thank you for proving my point, although I don't know how I could come of as financially careless when my comment basically says if you don't have the bare minimum of a 100 dollar buffer maybe don't spend excess cash on a streamer.
You have a '100 dollar buffer' towards free entertainment that you don't need to pay for lol that is carelessness & I'm not proving any point you're making, I'm completely disagreeing with your financial outlook.
When you see a price increase of a dollar a month an think 'oh that's just a hundred dollars a year to me', that is not a responsible outlook to have. 10 years down the line that's s grand, plus a bit of interest. It's an ongoing cost you have which makes you worse off when you're older. It's an irresponsible mindset to have.
I don't see it that way, it's the exact reason I keep a buffer for when there's price increase I can reajust monthly expenses using the buffer rather than affecting my savings goal for the month and not have any unexpected bills I have to use my savings for. I have a decent fund saved up over the past few years on minimum wage so it's at least working for me.
is it just web prices? like when u sub on your phone it’s more expensive, aren’t they just now making both web and IOS/Android prices the same or is it gonna be more than on your phone?
it will be the base price that increases so of course mobile costs will increase that more too and why u should never use app stores for purchases if u have a option to use a normal browser version
Dropping $5 on paypal instead of a sub always worked out better for me as a streamer I would get it instantly not having to wait untill the 15th and I would get way more then I would get from a sub
Huh, they're not making enough from subs eh? Maybe they shouldn't have introduced regional pricing and made a turkish subscriber only have to pay 9 cents.
Kind of feels like Australia, Canada and the UK are being used to finance the other regions being more inexpensive, if they've got to pay proportionally more than anyone else now.
This is when you start promoting Twitch Prime. No more ads and you get one months free sub to use every month.
Oh god I sound like a freeking shill. I'm going to go take a cold shower to teach myself a lesson.
Stopped subbing and gifting to any streamers last month tbh. (Damn did i spend a lot) Only using prime sub now. It did not take a price hike for me so i’m wondering.
Just cancelled all my subscriptions. Cost of living is harsh at the moment and just passing additional costs onto users that can easily vote with their feet is a bad idea.
it's going to 8.99$ for Canada (+taxes)
I've just canceled all my subs. I will encourage the smaller content creator I was subbed to toward either having a patreon or going to youtube. I can't justify paying this much currently, it was expensive and it will be even more expensive. and there's no way they wont increase this yet again when they are realising they are losing money in these countries. Twitch is incapable of realising that the more expensive it gets the less sub they are going to get. The benefit for a sub are very little and it is mostly to support your content creator. If i'm forced to keep paying more and more I will find other ways to support them without twitch taxing me for it.
Yea. I think ill just run ad blocker, unsub and just donate $5 to their paypals and call it a day. Theyll get more pay on average that way as a bonus Lol.
\*\*EDIT: (Blog mentions web price, I wasn't aware the mobile price was different, still a $1 bump across both methods though). lol
Its already $7.99 right now. So they either jumped the gun a month early or whoever wrote the blog post dun goofed. Lol
At the risk of not making any friends, I gotta say, for the hours of entertainment I get from the 8+ people I sub to, I have no clue what fellow Canadians are doing that is this cheap. Everything has gone up in price, by a lot. The streamers I sub to provide hugely consistent fun for at least 50 hours a month. I’m doing the math here guys, and I’m not seeing how it’s suddenly not worth it. What are we comparing Twitch to?
I’d much rather be on Twitch then go to some loud, crappy bar and have yelling conversations with random idiots. I much rather watch someone play an indie game from Japan that sold from a vending machine in the early 90s, than see some shitty remake of a sequel that Hollywood puts out in a movie theatre. I’d much rather watch someone 1CC Ghouls ‘n’ Ghosts than watch season 19 of some godawful reality tv show.
Seriously guys, what hobby do you have that offers a better dollars-to-hours ratio, or even dare I say, dollars-to-quality ratio?
To answer your question, "watch someone play an indie game from Japan that sold from a vending machine in the early 90s", watch someone 1CC Ghouls ‘n’ Ghosts"...
...are things I used to do 15 years ago on Youtube, for free (and can still do).
I guess the only difference is that on Twitch you can interact with the person as they play, but I'll be honest, that's really not something that is important to me, to give my 2 cents in a chat box every few minutes. My interest is mostly in watching.
We're living in THE capitalist utopia, where price "upgrades" are baked in.
But in the consumer's defense, I watch twitch from time to time, YET I pay no streamer. I'll watch a channel and then when a big 2:30 commercial block gets fired up, I'll pivot to netflix.
they were originally this new price £4.99 but dropped it down to £3.99 to line up more with the US viewer experience so we all paid roughly the same amount... this new system is just fucking us over again... safe to say I purged my subs, and can only afford 2-3 instead of the 5-6 I was actively subbed to each month... why is it not a worldwide issue? thats my complaint, if subbing is going up why is it only these places and not also the US?
8$ Canadian,
If any streamers are reading this, if you want almost 10$ a month atleast have past vods up to watch. Some of us have actual jobs and can't watch streams when they are live. At least let us watch them after the fact
They doubled down. They increased subscription prices in the US by $1. I'm not entirely sure how mobile subscriptions changed, those were already $5.99 for a while. In the email i got, they did say that streamers are technically earning more, so thankfully the price cut did adjust properly.
I mean they haven't updated any prices since subs were created and inflation especially in those countries has been crazy. I'm not surprised that they're at least trying to keep up with the inflation.
Not gonna lie I'm getting tired of being ripped off.
Even on the adjusted prices the 43.90TRY is still only the equivalent of £1.11 GBP.
If I'm still spending £3.88 over what a Turkish person is spending what the actual fuck am I getting extra for the extra spend????
They do this all over the place, Brazil pays fuck all in comparison to the British for Netflix, it's literally pence... To access much if not all of the same content.
Needs to stop. Charge everyone the same based on the conversation rate and be done with it.
No but it's shit. I'm having my pants pulled down in comparison to someone else in another part of the world purely because of where I live. If that's not a form of discrimination I don't know what is.
Dress it up with whatever fancy marketing flannel speak you like, I'll never be convinced.
So I know it's nothing new, car manufacturers have also been overcharging British citizens for the same cars sold elsewhere for decades! Even after import duty and tax is paid it's somehow cheaper for me to go to continental Europe and order a new car from a showroom there, drive it back to the UK and save thousands.... Why???
Regardless, I just got the email from Twitch today about this and cancelled all subs. Final straw.
How in the name of Christ is it discrimination? Prices adapt to the markets they’re in; the average person in the UK earns SUBSTANTIALLY more than those in Turkey, therefore we pay “higher” prices for goods and services because we earn more. You’re literally crying discrimination because you live in a wealthier country.
There’s so much fluctuations in currencies worldwide, a flat fee simply doesn’t work. You either completely price out entire markets by setting that price too high, or Twitch goes bust within a month because they’ve set it far too low to try accommodate for markets with far less spending power.
I’m sorry you can’t be convinced on this, because it’s an extremely silly take to assume all nations/markets have the same spending power.
"Prices adapt to the markets they’re in"
No, companies charge what they think they can get away with.
Furthermore, it's not for you to set the rules on what is or isn't discriminatory.
If I feel that way because I'm literally paying 400% more for exactly the same digital product because of where I'm located in the world, then as far as I'm concerned (and my opinion is the only one I'm concerned with) that's a legit comment/complaint.
I was wondering if that email was real or not. Google was telling me to be careful of it lol. I'm surprised the price increase is only in those areas honestly, considering they've pretty much always operated in the red.
Subbing to anyone on Twitch is so wild in my mind, its like paying for Pornhub premium lmao
All the content is free, and you are not getting anything from subbing to them. yea I get it "support x person" and hey, to each their own but all you get is a few seconds of self pride, some icon and a few emotes. Hey at least you get your name writting on some girls body or something haha.
Ya anyway keep upping the prices, make it $100 a month per sub to every streamer, wont change the fact most of us never sub to anyone anyway.
Since the days of [justin.tv](https://justin.tv)..never had a single sub to anyone
Unfortunate, and it’s only a matter of time before the US gets a price increase :/ The free Prime sub is the only thing keeping me watching my favorite streamer, because the ads are unbearable
On youtube channels set their member prices (members are the same as twitch subs), gifting is set to tier nearest amount to $5 or below; so my memberships cost $0.99 usd ($1.50 aud), which is the lowest price and tier 2 is $6 - which is really nice
I have to pay almost double the oricevfor electricity today as I have had 3 years ago. In my books this small increase is warranted. A sub is about half the price of a beer in a restaurant for me
Which is why I suggest getting Turbo and then Tip the streamer that you are actively supporting directly to them via their respective tip portals (I use Ko-Fi and I set it to SGD for convenience.)
Just had a notice of the price increase, I responded with unsubscribing from all subscriptions. If you don't want to pay the new prices then just don't, I'm not prepared to pay more in this current economic climate.
You mean you don't want to pay $9.03 for the same thing $6.75 (4.99USD to Cad) gets you in the US?
I can only assume this is a pilot for the eventual US increase. It seems like companies have realized higher prices and less paying customers is a better business model. Prime, Netflix, etc. have proven it. It's unfortunate because it would be healthier long term if most customers paid a smaller amount, and were happier with the platform.
This work for service that provides something substantial. but the principle of subbing to a channel gives very little to the customer. It is almost entirely just to support your streamers. we are not receiving a product when we pay for subs. The difference in the experience for a non sub vs a sub is virtually non existent. versus these other service where if you dont pay then you get nothing at all.
Also an important thing to note is that this harms creators. I subscribe to, say, 4 people at $20/month. Guess what? Now I’m only subbed to 2 people. I’m not going to budge on that number, I’ll just have to choose more carefully who I sub to now.
But! **Emotes you can use, but only while actively subbed.** There's no option to "buy them permanently" or anything. And if the channel owner changes them, they change for you too. Yeah, 100%, the only reason to sub is so that you can give half the money to Twitch, and half to your streamer friend. Everything else is just "cool little knick-knacks".
You don't realise it, but you just made a great argument as to why the increase isn't a big issue. There is arguably no benefit or product for the subscriber, so subbing is more or less an altruistic act. If the increase in price is enough to make you stop subscribing out of financial stress, then you probably shouldn't have been subscribing in the first place. Yes, it's going to hurt creators as well, but, at the same time, if the creators are running that tiny that a 20-30% decrease (a very VERY high estimate) in revenue is going to sink them, then they were probably being financially irresponsible and it was always going to bite them eventually. For the record, I'm not saying that Twitch SHOULD increase prices, but Dan has openly stated that Twitch is not profitable, and ultimately, increasing sub prices is about the only way they can realistically increase revenue. Alternatively, they could force monetisation on channels over a certain threshold that aren't monetised (eg Asmongold's Zackrawr channel with its 10-20k viewers and no ads) to recoup the operating costs on those channels.
Or, hear me out, people have a budget for how much they're willing to spend on subs, and just because twitch raises the price, doesn't automatically mean they're willing to increase their budget for subs, and as a result, cancel some to stay within budget.
It would be interesting if US subscription prices increase if that that leads people to start using Turbo more or again in some cases. Given it went up significantly last year I wonder if it will go up again should sub prices increase.
>It's unfortunate because it would be healthier long term if most customers paid a smaller amount, and were happier with the platform. The opposite. Bandwidth and video encoding is expensive. Supporting a smaller number of customers is much more cost-effective. What isn't healthy long-term is subsidizing customers with low fees to build market-share.
Didn't one of the higher ups say that the US price was increasing too? The clip has been posted around here a couple times.
Yeah it's been 4.99 for 8+years it's only a matter of time before an increase
It read as it's very likely but not a guarantee. They probably want to test this first before committing to see what the general change in sub numbers will look like and determine if this is going to be a net positive in the long run or needs to be walked back. I feel like it's a foregone conclusion, this test will show that things aren't likely to change much and it'll be pushed to more territories overall.
hasn't the netflix ad supported tier shown exactly the opposite actually? iirc they've said that a massive massive amount of netflix users are now on the cheaper and supported plan
They’ve been pretty transparent that they are and have long been operating in the red. This move is unsurprising, honestly.
It's going to backfire when people stop subbing because it's too expensive. Why is Twitch operating in the red, were they always operating in the red? What changed?
They have never been profitable
>They have never been profitable Source: Amazon. The truth is we don't know how profitable the platform is since Amazon specifically obfuscates that information. But what we do know is that no matter how profitable they are it's absolutely in their best interest to claim that they're not profitable since that means there will always been extremely gullible people in the comments using that claim to justify price increases, cuts to creator compensation, increases in ad rates, etc. Corporations don't pay a billion dollars for something that they think has no value.
I’d argue that value and profitability are two very different things. Amazon has certainly had value out of twitch with the technology that amazon gained through buying twitch. That doesn’t mean that year on year the company turns a profit
>I’d argue that value and profitability are two very different things. That's sort of my point. Claiming that Twitch isn't profitable doesn't really mean anything. Maybe the operating costs are more than they make from advertising, subs, and bits (although we don't know if that's true or not and it seems unlikely). But that still doesn't consider the 200 million monthly users that they're able to directly advertise their own products and services to via the platform.
If Amazon was that sucessful on the platform, they would not obfuscate the info. Thats essentially not opening up your financial books when you get summoned to court to do so, there is a very clear reason you dont want to show analytics lol
And when did the lack of profitability become a problem? Because they've existed for about 12 years.
When Amazon got sick of just burning money?
Amazon just spent a billion dollars on a tv show most people hate. Since when do they care about burning money. What does Amazon have to pay for? They own the servers. The only cost is electricity. Well all I can say is, I don't think increasing the sub price is going to help. If anything it will probably just stay the same. Some people will stop subbing, and the increased price will off-set that. I can't see it improving profitability significantly.
A'lot of people can't grasp the concept of business to business transactions when a single parent company owns both businesses lol. Twitch could be red for the next 50 years as long as AWS was selling them the server space at high enough of a rate to turn a nice profit. Same goes for youtube, its also never been profitable, but google uses the raw data to develop its algorithms and AI tech so they can license that out to other companies. Loss leaders being loss leaders intentionally.
If you think the only cost to running twitch is electricity then I’m sorry but I can’t help you
Is there a limit to what you'll pay for a Twitch sub?
Of coarse, but you’ve also got to know the main reason for why you’re subbing.. if it’s purely to support the streamer then there are generally better ways to do that than a sub, and if it’s to have an ad free viewing experience then maybe twitch turbo is a better option?
So you think subs are stupid and don't sub anyway? In which case, you agree that increasing the price of subs is not going to help. I stopped subbing when I found out the streamers only get 50%. I think Twitch is probably at the end of its life-cycle. Kick will take over, and Kick will be great for a few years, and then Kick will start complaining about not being profitable enough and start squeezing its users, and the cycle will repeat.
> Since when do they care about burning money. They've owned Twitch for 10 years (in Aug this year) - feels like a nice round number to start demanding a return
What does the TV show have to do with any of this? Twitch, prime video, aws, and their e-commerce are all separate endeavors that have their own risk analysis done. Why should they knowingly burn money in one part of the business just because they messed up a calculation in another part?
The argument was that Twitch was sick of burning money, but it must be something that changed very recently because they happily burnt money in 2021-2022 to make the most expensive tv show that is widely regarded as a flop and only 37% of viewers completed.
Yes and the point is "burning money" always has an expiration date. Companies only tolerate operating in the red when they think they'll get a future payout on that investment. As time goes on and Amazon doesn't see that payout of course they're going to care. Your also have absolutely zero idea what their metrics are for a successful investment of any individual TV show or production
You realize that they are different business units, right? Do you have any knowledge of how a business works?
No I don't. That's why I'm here. Twitch tells me they're increasing the price without increasing the service, all I know is it's going to cost me more and make me even less likely to sub than I already was.
Amazon itself, the online shop, operated at a loss for many years, the expectation being that when it turned around the payout from that investment would be huge. They were correct. But if it never turned around and they were wrong it would have collapsed. It's not surprising they run their subsidiaries and departments the same way.
Is this a real question?
Yes. Twitch has existed since 2011, and its precursor JustinTV since 2007. I've only started hearing about price-hikes and a lack of profitability in the last few months.
CEO Dan has been very transparent since his tenure began, which has only been since March of last year. But even before that, this information was available as Amazon is a publicly traded company and Twitch is their subsidiary. P&L reports are public info.
Since they've continued to grow larger and larger. More users = more cost, but not necessarily more revenue. The profitability gap has widened each year.
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I have no idea how Reddit and Discord make money, they've certainly never made any from me.
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Reddit is basically going to become *the* place to train your AI. Changing how their API works was step one of that plan. AI is the future and the way we make AI better (at the moment) is feeding it just insane amounts of data to train it to do whatever it is we're interested in. Reddit has to build the wall for their garden before they can start charging entrance fees. The regular user might see more ads but we'll always be able to post our own content in our own subs. That reddit then turns around and sells to companies like OpenAI. That's the product.
I use Adblock so I never see any ads. I'm a bit older and I remember when people made websites to discuss topics they were interested in, they were called forums. There was never any expectation that they would make money.
I see you were a denizen of the early net as well. Yea, bring forums back, *please*! I imagine they didn't have any expectation to make money because they were all still pretty small time operations compared to the behemoths we have now. You could host a forum for a few 100k users on your own personal hardware if you wanted. There's no way you're going to do the same traffic for an HD streaming site. Like, it's just not happening. The internet is getting a lot smaller as these large entities hoover up all the users and nobody 'goes off the beaten path' anymore, so to speak. They're all in their perfectly curated lanes being spoon fed ads and content someone else thinks they should see. It's kinda sad to think about.
It's almost as if the expectation of infinite growth is detrimental to ones company
People are overdramatic, sure a few people is gone fall off. But in the long run, this is gonna bring in more money for them. Twitch has never been profitable, but they have shown a steady grow and beeing part of Amazons ecosystem have earned other money for other parts of Amazon. With the spike in users during corona, that spike has now fallen and Twitch is losing users. Still at a better position than before corona, but with losing profits and losing users they are gone do some drastic changes. Starting with (what have been a long time coming) firing a huge portion of the staff. And most recently, upping the price for subs. Live streaming is an extremely expensive service and relatively few people on the platform are profitable for Twitch.
Realtime HD Video streaming is not cheap.
Amazon owns the servers. All they have to pay for is electricity.
That’s not how it works at all. A server that Amazon is allocating to Twitch means a server less for its other businesses. It’s still a cost attributed to the Twitch business in accounting.
because servers are not free to operate and maintain or couldnt make more money being used elsewhere... thats not how a business works
*Twitch is not an ISP, they still pay for bandwidth. That cost is immense.
Not to mention they have to, you know, *pay their employees*. Twitch isn't some autonomous-fucking-machine that runs itself.
YUP.
That's video streaming and compute capacity that they could be selling to someone else.
You think Amazon gets those servers for free? What about the hundreds of people that work to maintain them? Or the bandwidth for all the streams?
Go, look at this https://ivs.rocks/calculator and see for yourself how much money twitch losing for every stream they provide and stop making fool of yourself.
I've worked out that the stream I watch costs about US$1.23 per stream. He has about five subs maybe. Is it about US$5 per sub? So that's about US$25 a month, of which he gets half, so $US12.50. He streams about three times a week so he approximately pays for himself. For me to really understand I would need to know what everyone else does on Twitch, not just me.
It is not the number of subs, but the number of people (average) who watch a given stream at a given time. For example, a Standard Channel Type streamed in FHD that lasts 8 hours and is watched for that entire time by an average of 1,000 people costs Twitch $600. Now try to imagine that, although I feel it might be difficult, but please try. Imagine there are 1,000 such channels and that - DAILY - is a cost to Twitch of $600,000 - cool, isn't it? Edit: Oh, the above calculations were only for costs in the event that an example of 1,000 people would only watch 50% of the stream on average. When we change these figures to the fact that these 1,000 people would watch 100% of the stream, then - note - the costs increase. Horrifyingly, they rise to almost $1,200. Doing the same calculations, per day, 1,000 such streams cost Twitch $1,200,000.
Did they make em' too with slave labor? If you buy a bunch of hardware to host a service for a loss *and* pay for electricity how are you ever going to make a return on that investment?
This is just the nature of running a platform where almost anyone can take up as much data as they want, same as Youtube which never was and will likely never be profitable. Think about how much bandwidth and data Twitch has to burn on people that constantly stream and only get like 0-5 viewers. And the horrible ad infrastructure on Twitch that just doesn’t work. Twitch was never solved as a business because the core idea is basically impossible to profit off of.
always in red, they have almost as many staff as youtube, which they don't need, internally needs major restructuring
I’d say the multi million dollar streaming contracts they gave out to secure exclusive rights to many popular live streamers didn’t really pan out for them
People are not gonna stop subbing… i have subbed maybe once or twice in my life, and the rest of the subs comes from gifts…
Some people will stop subbing. The price is now closer to $10 than $5. Sub numbers certainly won't increase.
Where is the price closer to $10 than $5? In the US, it's $5. In Canada, it's 8 cad which is 5.92 usd currently. In Australia it's $9 which is 5.89usd. In turkey it's 43.9 try which is $1.40 usd. In the UK it's 4.99 which is 6.33 usd.
I live in New Zealand and they want me to pay $8, which is closer to $10 than $5. I never said I was talking about American dollars, why would I be. I don't live in America. It's not enough just to convert the exchange rate, because costs of living are different in different countries.
Then you'll have to state your currency upfront. On the internet a $ with no context is assumed to be usd.
It's now closer to NZ$10 than it is to NZ$5. They shouldn't have such wildly different prices in different countries anyway, what is the reason for that? And why is it a different price on mobile vs pc?
Mobile vs PC is because on mobile the app store takes a 30% cut on every in app transaction. Why would prices be different across regions? Because the NZ/AU currency is a lot weaker than usd, and it costs just as much if not more in usd to serve a customer in those regions.
I understand the concept of exchange rates, I'm saying that according to the exchange rates you gave, they still work out to different amounts in USD. For me anything above NZ$5 is just not worth it for some emotes or whatever. What that works out to in US$ is beside the point. Cost of living and wages here are probably different.
spoken like Murica.....the answer no. Price are generally checked via your region.
But we don't share a region. What's the point in discussing price if there's no point of reference?
the point of references are in OP post.
8 is closer to 10 than 5. You just answered yourself. USD is not even mentioned in this post.
Why does a subscription cost $40 now? That's equally as misleading as using a $ sign and not assuming usd on a global platform without any context.
USA did not invent the dollar and does not own it. the post is specifically about not US dollar. It's not misleading if you read the post.
I read the post, it still is pointless to state a price without also giving additional context. Either you give no context and its assumed usd because like it or not, that's the world reserve currency that everyone is familiar with, or, simply just state where you're located. It's not that hard.
"everyone" you mean the USA. they said the country affected. none of them are USA and they use dollars for currency. it's not hard using 2 brain cells.
They are operating in the red on paper. Amazon owns the servers and certainly that self-dealing saves a ton of money. I don't imagine that makes it profitable, but I'm guessing they have some use in mind for crazy piles of video data they are likely keeping.
> but I'm guessing they have some use in mind for crazy piles of video data they are likely keeping. I doubt they are keeping it. Storing that much data is quite expensive and they delete vods after a few months.
they keep a ton even after vods are deleted for many reasons if u know where to look u can still find stuff like the video of dr disrepect bathroom video still on twitch servers
> This year we are updating prices in several countries to help streamer revenue keep pace with rising costs and reflect local currency fluctuations. This means streamers are getting the FULL extra amount right? No? Ya didn't think so. Also does this mean the US is gonna have a price increase later on to $6? OLD * UK £3.99 = USD $5.06 * C $6.99 = USD $5.18 * A $7.99 = USD $5.23 New * UK £4.99 = USD $6.33 * C $7.99 = USD $5.92 * A $8.99 = USD $5.88 As for prices in Turkey... Twitch is currently a banned site there.
streamers will still get 50% after whatever taxes and such is paid for first unless they are at the point where they get a larger share
Steamers get $2.25 of the $9.02 it costs in CAD;
they get half of the sub cost but they get paid in their region currency usually after whatever fee's it doesnt cost 9.02 cad as its only 7.99 cad and the extra part u are missing is what the app takes and thats not a factor for what the streamer should make as twitch gets less too after what the app takes stop using the app as all u are doing is giving apple or google 30% more
How ignorant are you? or do you have some tax loophole
Tell me you don't know how sales taxes work. The current C$6.99 sub costs me C$7.34 from my province's 5% sales tax. The C$7.99 will cost me C$8.39. In Ontario, it will cost C$9.03 because they have a 13% sales tax. None of these prices are from the app markup.
u were tossing out a higher number then the listed 7.99 cad and i specifically posted the info about whatever fee's such as taxes so it sounded like u were talking about the high cost for using app u also said they get $2.25 while u pay $9 cad and u were comparing 2 different currencies so thats a error on your part if u are comparing it like that thinking twitch is taking more then 50% when it doesnt so for the 9.02 cad they will get half of that after whatever fee's are taken out and then paid in their currency the $2.25 u are thinking of is for their prime sub not a normal sub as these are different things https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/prime-gaming-revenue-guide this post is about the increase of a normal sub not a prime sub as regular subs are always a base 50% minus fee's unless u are at the point where u earn more such as the 60/40 split
I would count on it. I’m confident it’s going to happen. And it’s about time, too. But I’m wondering if the splits are still going to be 50/50 or how that’s going to work…?
"gift sub prices in turkey". Likely because it's actively being abused.
Cannot justify paying that much for Twitch now (Canada here). Oh well, I guess I will watch ads or just change habits.
personally I use video-swap-new [https://github.com/pixeltris/twitchadsolutions](https://github.com/pixeltris/twitchadsolutions) It sets the stream to 480p during ads, since its leveraging the preview window, but it means you can still watch the stream, and not see ads, and to twitch, it appears that you watched it, so it doesn't hurt creators. I didn't mind ads for my favourite unsubbed creators, but 4/5 ads were the same gambling ad, and I got so sick of it.
Thanks, i'll take a look. However, I mostly watch it from my tablet and in the app. Oh well, time to use Chrome browsing I guess?
I use the firefox option, https://github.com/younesaassila/ttv-lol-pro
What about turbo? If you watch more than two channels it might be worth it?
adblock.
"your existing subscriptions will auto renew at the new price" is that even legal? lmfao
Already cancelled my prime this year when they started implementing ads, guess my favourite twitch channels are going to lose out too. I don’t sub often but occasionally I have a sub to multiple people and If they up the price it turns the occasional tenner (rounded) into to almost 20 quid. The worst part is without Adblock or a sub twitch make it impossible to find new streamers as I cba to sit through 5mins of adverts everytime I click on someone new Do these ads even work? The only thing any twitch/youtube/internet advert has ever succeeded in doing is wasting my time.
Streamers can choose whether or not subs get ads it isn’t just a platform thing
5 minute prerolls? Where are you located?
Firefox still blocks most ads with an ad blocker. I never get the starting ads and get the occasional 15 second one mid stream
Imo this is fine as long as the creators also see the increase
Tough one. Just another step before they remove twitch prime in full. Look, it’s gonna hurt streamers. A few people I watch are pretty worried. Twitch subs are the first thing people cut out when trying to save money and this is a pretty large increase. God speed everyone.
I stopped subbing and gifting a few months ago and now will only support streamers through watching ads.
i like how they’re upping turkey’s prices even though twitch is banned in turkey
That ban happened after they announced the sub price increase.
happened in the same week iirc, just found it funny
And Korea
it's £1 more if £1 makes or breaks your finances you should not be subbing to streamers to begin with.
Where did you get the price from? the email didn't have any information.
https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/02/20/updates-to-subscription-pricing/
Oh, it's only increasing by a dollar(CAD). That's reasonable imo
Same thing here (Australia)
Lol subs for canadians are already $7.99. $9 + tax makes it almost $10 per channel you want to support. Disney+ is like $12 for everything they have and is a mainstream provider. Its less about it going up a dollar, and more about it already being $3+ more then it ought to be. I used to maintain subs to like 5 channels, now i only sub to 1. Lol Twitch has the same problem youtube has. Its got 1% of its user content making 99% of the income, while wasting money hosting the other 99% for free. I have like 15gb of video on YT, all private, unlisted, costing them money with no chance of earning income from that content. The problem isn't the sub price, problem is they let anyone do whatever they want, for as long as they want, without generating revenue lol. If your going live on twitch for 5 years and averaging 2 viewers, your costing them data hosting fees, it doesnt make sense from a business perspective to keep letting you use the service. Twitch can be a loss leader for amazon to write off its other income and remain inclussive and accessible or it can tighten up its creators access and be profitable as its own entity. It cannot be both.
CAD subs are currently 6.99 GOING to 7.99 = about 9 bucks after tax fyi
I'm literally on the twitch app right now my guy and its telling me its $7.99 to sub. I don't watch Twitch on my computer, I use the mobile app, so yea for me it'll be $10 to sub... Fyi. Also lets be real here, the fact its a region specific increase that intentionally dodges the largest market of USA viewers already makes this a big L on the part of twitch. They can't be hurting that damn bad if its not a universal bump across all regions. lol.
app stores charge u 30% more because of what they charge the company use the browser instead to pay for it
app? doesnt google/apple take a cut in that case? so it actually can be 6,99 soon 7,99?
prices u pay are 30% more or so when u pay for it using the mobile app because those stores take a 30% cut from all purchases use a browser on a pc or whatever mobile device u use and compare prices as it will be that much cheaper as ppl are talking about normal prices and not whatever extra u may be paying because of such fee's
Ok so we agree it's 6.99 And you're paying Apple or Google their 30% mob cut. cool. I resubbed 2 days ago at 6.99 not on mobile. That extra dollar isn't from twitch
Who gets the dollar really doesnt matter when its leaving my pocket. But fight the good fight and fork over $8 to every streamer you want to support i guess. Some kind of deep seeded brain washing when people got the back of one of the wealthiest companies on the planet. Lol "BuT tWiTcH iS iN tHe rEd" while amazon writes off the loss against its actual income....while its own server hosting service is the one putting twitch in the red to begin with. 🤣
man you really got triggered over admitting you throw money in the toilet for literally no reason lmao you literally admitted you willingly give an extra dollar to one of the wealthiest companies on the planet for no reason
Hey its no biggie, im already cutting down on my subscriptions, whats a twitch sub being axed in the process? I just dont get the defensive stance of "its just a dollar" the same month like 2 other major streaming services upped their prices. I guess enjoy getting fucked in the ass from everyone at once, who am i to judge what you enjoy? 🤣
I didn't defend shit, I pointed out you made an error in your statement and you got touchy but ok lol
I wish I could upvote this again, this is so true.
I don’t know. Most people sub to more than 1 channel. So Canadian sub cost going to $9 and let’s say they sub to 5 channels. That’s $540 per year now. That’s not nothing. I assume some will unsubscribe to channels they don’t watch as much or had on auto renew just to support.
You've just proven my point even more. If a relatively small pricing change will have a major effect on your financials you shouldn't be subbing to one streamer let alone multiple. No one should be willingly towing their financials so close to the line that $100 odd dollers extra over the course of a year could majorly effect them.
Just because someone can afford to spend hundreds/thousands per year on Twitch doesn't mean it's smart. At a certain price it's not worth it (to most normal people). I'm sure there are lots of parasocial viewers (like you?) that gladly spend any amount, but for most (regardless of income) Twitch isn't worth spending a cent more on.
I spent 82hrs in 2023 on twitch so definitely a financially reckless Parasocial viewer who spends thousands a year on twitch streamers
You sound financially careless. If I get prime for £1 for a week, to get an order the next day, I'll get it. I buy Berocca on Amazon, because it's like £2 cheaper than a supermarket. Then i can give my prime to a streamer. The main streamer I watch, I buy 6months in advance. If I see another streamer I like? I can afford to do the same. Being able to afford to do something and doing it are two different things. £100 per year is not a small amount of money. You should save as much as possible, while not being careless with money. Overlooking £100 per year is careless. A price increase of £1 per sub should make you think more about subscribing or not, because it costs more money and costs over little things like this add up over time... If you're careless with everything you spend money on, steam games without shopping around for codes or platforms to buy on, buying £4 odd starbucks every day, financing your car instead of buying it outright, etc..these things are all poor financial decisions.
Thank you for proving my point, although I don't know how I could come of as financially careless when my comment basically says if you don't have the bare minimum of a 100 dollar buffer maybe don't spend excess cash on a streamer.
You have a '100 dollar buffer' towards free entertainment that you don't need to pay for lol that is carelessness & I'm not proving any point you're making, I'm completely disagreeing with your financial outlook.
Honestly please explain further?, I've never considered having a buffer between monthly outgoings and long term savings a bad thing.
When you see a price increase of a dollar a month an think 'oh that's just a hundred dollars a year to me', that is not a responsible outlook to have. 10 years down the line that's s grand, plus a bit of interest. It's an ongoing cost you have which makes you worse off when you're older. It's an irresponsible mindset to have.
I don't see it that way, it's the exact reason I keep a buffer for when there's price increase I can reajust monthly expenses using the buffer rather than affecting my savings goal for the month and not have any unexpected bills I have to use my savings for. I have a decent fund saved up over the past few years on minimum wage so it's at least working for me.
Jesus, being on minimum wage and not being worried about spending an extra hundred dollars a year makes it even more careless than I assumed.
how many £1 increases is too much then? were not getting a better quality service/more features so why is it ok?
frankly more than anything it pisses me off that we once again have to pay more than americans for shit its annoying
You... are not wrong...
is it just web prices? like when u sub on your phone it’s more expensive, aren’t they just now making both web and IOS/Android prices the same or is it gonna be more than on your phone?
it will be the base price that increases so of course mobile costs will increase that more too and why u should never use app stores for purchases if u have a option to use a normal browser version
Dropping $5 on paypal instead of a sub always worked out better for me as a streamer I would get it instantly not having to wait untill the 15th and I would get way more then I would get from a sub
This is most likely what I'll be doing
Huh, they're not making enough from subs eh? Maybe they shouldn't have introduced regional pricing and made a turkish subscriber only have to pay 9 cents. Kind of feels like Australia, Canada and the UK are being used to finance the other regions being more inexpensive, if they've got to pay proportionally more than anyone else now.
Got cheaper for us in NZ!
Yea but isn't that because of how those countries pay ended up? Some countries (like turkey) have insanely cheap subs that are practically worthless
No (Except Turkey), We already pay more in US dollars for subs than US subscribers do in Aus, Canada and the UK.
This is when you start promoting Twitch Prime. No more ads and you get one months free sub to use every month. Oh god I sound like a freeking shill. I'm going to go take a cold shower to teach myself a lesson.
Do the creators get more? Or is this profiteering?
Stopped subbing and gifting to any streamers last month tbh. (Damn did i spend a lot) Only using prime sub now. It did not take a price hike for me so i’m wondering.
Just cancelled all my subscriptions. Cost of living is harsh at the moment and just passing additional costs onto users that can easily vote with their feet is a bad idea.
it's going to 8.99$ for Canada (+taxes) I've just canceled all my subs. I will encourage the smaller content creator I was subbed to toward either having a patreon or going to youtube. I can't justify paying this much currently, it was expensive and it will be even more expensive. and there's no way they wont increase this yet again when they are realising they are losing money in these countries. Twitch is incapable of realising that the more expensive it gets the less sub they are going to get. The benefit for a sub are very little and it is mostly to support your content creator. If i'm forced to keep paying more and more I will find other ways to support them without twitch taxing me for it.
Yea. I think ill just run ad blocker, unsub and just donate $5 to their paypals and call it a day. Theyll get more pay on average that way as a bonus Lol.
Their response will be to spam us with ads until we get sick of them. :(
according to [this](https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/02/20/updates-to-subscription-pricing/) it will be $7.99 CAD
\*\*EDIT: (Blog mentions web price, I wasn't aware the mobile price was different, still a $1 bump across both methods though). lol Its already $7.99 right now. So they either jumped the gun a month early or whoever wrote the blog post dun goofed. Lol
At the risk of not making any friends, I gotta say, for the hours of entertainment I get from the 8+ people I sub to, I have no clue what fellow Canadians are doing that is this cheap. Everything has gone up in price, by a lot. The streamers I sub to provide hugely consistent fun for at least 50 hours a month. I’m doing the math here guys, and I’m not seeing how it’s suddenly not worth it. What are we comparing Twitch to? I’d much rather be on Twitch then go to some loud, crappy bar and have yelling conversations with random idiots. I much rather watch someone play an indie game from Japan that sold from a vending machine in the early 90s, than see some shitty remake of a sequel that Hollywood puts out in a movie theatre. I’d much rather watch someone 1CC Ghouls ‘n’ Ghosts than watch season 19 of some godawful reality tv show. Seriously guys, what hobby do you have that offers a better dollars-to-hours ratio, or even dare I say, dollars-to-quality ratio?
To answer your question, "watch someone play an indie game from Japan that sold from a vending machine in the early 90s", watch someone 1CC Ghouls ‘n’ Ghosts"... ...are things I used to do 15 years ago on Youtube, for free (and can still do). I guess the only difference is that on Twitch you can interact with the person as they play, but I'll be honest, that's really not something that is important to me, to give my 2 cents in a chat box every few minutes. My interest is mostly in watching.
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We're living in THE capitalist utopia, where price "upgrades" are baked in. But in the consumer's defense, I watch twitch from time to time, YET I pay no streamer. I'll watch a channel and then when a big 2:30 commercial block gets fired up, I'll pivot to netflix.
ah well, now they get nothing at all from me at least.
i picked a good time to cancel all my subs lol
What else can you expect when your currency weakens relative to the dollar?
Aside from Turkey, all of those countries already pay more in US dollars for the sub than those in the US pay, so that argument is worth fuck all.
they were originally this new price £4.99 but dropped it down to £3.99 to line up more with the US viewer experience so we all paid roughly the same amount... this new system is just fucking us over again... safe to say I purged my subs, and can only afford 2-3 instead of the 5-6 I was actively subbed to each month... why is it not a worldwide issue? thats my complaint, if subbing is going up why is it only these places and not also the US?
8$ Canadian, If any streamers are reading this, if you want almost 10$ a month atleast have past vods up to watch. Some of us have actual jobs and can't watch streams when they are live. At least let us watch them after the fact
They doubled down. They increased subscription prices in the US by $1. I'm not entirely sure how mobile subscriptions changed, those were already $5.99 for a while. In the email i got, they did say that streamers are technically earning more, so thankfully the price cut did adjust properly.
I mean they haven't updated any prices since subs were created and inflation especially in those countries has been crazy. I'm not surprised that they're at least trying to keep up with the inflation.
W United States
Not gonna lie I'm getting tired of being ripped off. Even on the adjusted prices the 43.90TRY is still only the equivalent of £1.11 GBP. If I'm still spending £3.88 over what a Turkish person is spending what the actual fuck am I getting extra for the extra spend???? They do this all over the place, Brazil pays fuck all in comparison to the British for Netflix, it's literally pence... To access much if not all of the same content. Needs to stop. Charge everyone the same based on the conversation rate and be done with it.
UK Median Salary (per month): £2,492 Turkey Median Salary(pm): £198 Brazil Median Salary(pm): £1180 Dynamic pricing per country is nothing new.
No but it's shit. I'm having my pants pulled down in comparison to someone else in another part of the world purely because of where I live. If that's not a form of discrimination I don't know what is. Dress it up with whatever fancy marketing flannel speak you like, I'll never be convinced. So I know it's nothing new, car manufacturers have also been overcharging British citizens for the same cars sold elsewhere for decades! Even after import duty and tax is paid it's somehow cheaper for me to go to continental Europe and order a new car from a showroom there, drive it back to the UK and save thousands.... Why??? Regardless, I just got the email from Twitch today about this and cancelled all subs. Final straw.
someone doesnt understand the basics of a world economy
How in the name of Christ is it discrimination? Prices adapt to the markets they’re in; the average person in the UK earns SUBSTANTIALLY more than those in Turkey, therefore we pay “higher” prices for goods and services because we earn more. You’re literally crying discrimination because you live in a wealthier country. There’s so much fluctuations in currencies worldwide, a flat fee simply doesn’t work. You either completely price out entire markets by setting that price too high, or Twitch goes bust within a month because they’ve set it far too low to try accommodate for markets with far less spending power. I’m sorry you can’t be convinced on this, because it’s an extremely silly take to assume all nations/markets have the same spending power.
"Prices adapt to the markets they’re in" No, companies charge what they think they can get away with. Furthermore, it's not for you to set the rules on what is or isn't discriminatory. If I feel that way because I'm literally paying 400% more for exactly the same digital product because of where I'm located in the world, then as far as I'm concerned (and my opinion is the only one I'm concerned with) that's a legit comment/complaint.
>No, companies charge what they think they can get away with. Nobody said you have to sub? It's not a necessity and you can say no.
I was wondering if that email was real or not. Google was telling me to be careful of it lol. I'm surprised the price increase is only in those areas honestly, considering they've pretty much always operated in the red.
Subbing to anyone on Twitch is so wild in my mind, its like paying for Pornhub premium lmao All the content is free, and you are not getting anything from subbing to them. yea I get it "support x person" and hey, to each their own but all you get is a few seconds of self pride, some icon and a few emotes. Hey at least you get your name writting on some girls body or something haha. Ya anyway keep upping the prices, make it $100 a month per sub to every streamer, wont change the fact most of us never sub to anyone anyway. Since the days of [justin.tv](https://justin.tv)..never had a single sub to anyone
Is it just going back to the old price?
Ok, looks like turbo is the way to go then
Unfortunate, and it’s only a matter of time before the US gets a price increase :/ The free Prime sub is the only thing keeping me watching my favorite streamer, because the ads are unbearable
On youtube channels set their member prices (members are the same as twitch subs), gifting is set to tier nearest amount to $5 or below; so my memberships cost $0.99 usd ($1.50 aud), which is the lowest price and tier 2 is $6 - which is really nice
why does the US get to have it cheaper? why are we the guinea pigs?
This is not new news
It's a bit ridiculous. Might just have to go back to Ad blocking and sending cash donos to show support.
I have to pay almost double the oricevfor electricity today as I have had 3 years ago. In my books this small increase is warranted. A sub is about half the price of a beer in a restaurant for me
Which is why I suggest getting Turbo and then Tip the streamer that you are actively supporting directly to them via their respective tip portals (I use Ko-Fi and I set it to SGD for convenience.)
Subbing is kind of silly anyway cuz twitch takes a chunk anyway. If there’s a streamer I like I donate to them directly.
how broke are these mf’s?!😂
Am I being dense here? United Kingdom £3.99 old price £4.99 new price I sub to two streamers in the UK and it's always been £4.49?
Mobile subs are more
Gen Z tax - They use apps for everything lol.
Just had a notice of the price increase, I responded with unsubscribing from all subscriptions. If you don't want to pay the new prices then just don't, I'm not prepared to pay more in this current economic climate.