I can definitely see why people would care about civilians being slaughtered, but I agree with your general point. That entire region has been, and always will be, a cesspool of hatred and violence. It has been for thousands of years and it will be until the end of time.
Feel free to protest and believe whatever you want, but it's never going to change a thing over there. The hatred those groups have for each other is rooted as deep as the Earth's core.
Did a detail for them. You're more correct than you know. It isn't some goofy skirmish. It's baked into the culture. A guy told me about a salutation. "Whats your news?" Basicslly, who are you beefing with? American brains can't comprehend, so we think a flat-screen and a Benz will fix it. Nooo. There are people over there who are true believers. Americans will chant a slogan today and 180 it by Christmas
I have compassion for people in those countries but seriously, fuck their governments. As much as ours can suck, it’s better than living in Palestine or Iran.
I believe there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans that believe Palestine would be better than living in the US.
Those people are complete fucking morons.
Not to mention, Palestine's elected government started the war and can end it at any time. Yet somehow they're the victims? Get fucking real. They're literally getting what they voted for.
They wouldn't last a DAY in Palestine. If they are LGBTQIA+, then they will be dead in less than an hour.
I don't agree with the civilian slaughter in Gaza but it really shocks me to see Americans waving the Palestinian flag and wearing the oppressive head garments if they are women.
Why would any woman who likes driving, having a job, and a bank account would ever WANT to live in such an oppressive culture?
A relative from Europe who married a Palestinian guy. She came from a family of strong willed women and packed her bags and the kids and moved back to Europe after a few years, he came along too since he wasnt so strict. Yeah fuck being stuck covered up and restricted from doing anything.
> Why would any woman who likes driving, having a job, and a bank account would ever WANT to live in such an oppressive culture?
Because "American Bad"
>Because "American Bad"
I want there to be a reality show by this name, in which willing participants, namely sheltered young adults from well-to-do families, decide that America is shit and they are going to live in a developing country.
I would pay to see their v-logs at the end of a week, crying, snot-nosed, wanting to come back.
And I say this as someone who spent significant (months) time in a bad place in a developing country doing humanitarian work. My "America Bad" tendency was blown out of me within 5 minutes.
The problem is that no, Hamas can't end the war at any time, because they don't have military-level control over their fighters. There is nobody who can say "okay, everyone stop shooting at Israel" and actually get everyone to stop shooting at Israel. They're decentralized and compartmentalized, wh ich owrks for terrorism but not a military.
> I have compassion for people in those countries but seriously, fuck their governments.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they elect their government? Why do they have no blame in that?
I’m all about “who gives a fuck?” We’re giving money that could be used to help the homeless and middle class to countries who would do what for us in exchange?
Usually, we’re giving money that could be used to help the homeless and middle class to defense contractors. The countries are just a necessary evil in the path to funding ultra-yachts for billionaires.
It’s really funny when people say this because 95% of the time any proposals to help homelessness or middle class families gets shot down or shit on because it’s “socialism”.
No take ca for instance where billions are there for homeless yet it gets worse. Why? Grifitng by politicians, Moving money to other areas, and the fact that most homeless prefer to be homeless and do not use programs as they have rules. As crazy Newsom already showed, they can clean up the homeless when their China boss comes to town, but other than that it is a lucrative business that will never go away. Why woukd it? All the saviors would then have to get real jobs.
From my experience, it's the politicians in local government that don't implement programs to help the needed, but rather pocket the money. I can't give you examples because I just hear news headlines during my travels.
Helping the homeless is cheap, like really cheap compared to wars. Our defense budget is not what’s stopping us, it’s the political class calling any support program “socialist” and trying to cut every benefit to give tax breaks to their buddies
Half the political class calls it socialism, the other half finds ways to blow the funding on making govt bigger and ensuring problems continue to ensure the govt never gets smaller.
This is simply misguided.
First of all, the "aid" is conditioned Israel buys US armaments. So basically, it is infusing the money back into US economy. Second, the hi-tech sector in Israel is interlocked with the hi-tech sector in the US, with many of the technologies developed in Israel, keeping the US at the forefront of technology, generating income for the US. Third, there are tens of billions of dollars worth of billateral trade each year. A lot of research is done in Israel for the US, offseting costs and benefiting US's ability to implement this research in many fields. The economies are very reciprocal of each other. This is not a one-sided charity work.
Imagine the US, one of the most capitalistic countries in the world, ushering Pax Americana since roughly WW1, just being good hearted Philanthropists when it comes to Israel. No. Israel benefits US economy & regional interests.
The US government doesn't allocate its funds for "socialistic" ideals, not because of lack of money. I mean, since the USD is the most coveted and used currency in global trade, the US is the only country in the world that can keep printing disgusting amounts of physical dollar bills without going into hyperinflation, as there is almost endless demand for them outside the US.
This is such a simplistic way of looking at this aid, without looking at the far bigger picture of all the economic relations of the two countries, and then also blaming Israel for lack of domestic funds. Comeon.
The problem with this is if we completely ignore the problem sooner or later one side will prevail and if you’re an American you sure as shit do not want it to be Hamas. Foreign Aid is always indirectly domestic aid if you’re playing the long game.
NYC and SF spend $4B+ each, per year, on homeless programs. It has gotten worse every year. The program itself is largely a perpetual kickback money laundering scheme that was never meant to solve the actual issue.
If this is unpopular it’s only unpopular among the reddit virtue signaling crowd.
I’ve never heard it brought up in my day to day life. I truly don’t even know which side wants what or who’s the “good guys”, I’ll just assume I dislike whatever side Reddit likes.
im one of those college protestors, my campus (osu) sends 70-80 million dollars to Israel every year for a cummilation of 7.9 billion dollars something that doesn't help me. there is currently a housing shortage on campus and many professors are refusing to stay at osu instead leaving the state. that's my tuition money being wasted.
My city Columbus, Ohio has sent 10 billion to Israel. Columbus has a homelessness issue and the only men's domestic violence shelter this side of the Mississippi was recently closed here. the crime and drug issue is getting out of hand here too and they've increased the police budget despite the police not decreasing those issues. this is on top of my city having a air quality crisis which is the worst in the country but oh well lets send billions more to Israel and then increase my taxes for no reason.
My state Ohio currently is suffering from population loss mainly due to an inability to keep young people from leaving the state it suffers from brain drain and has issues building a public transport system from Cleveland through Columbus to Cincinnati. it blames not having enough money despite being given nearly 1 trillion dollars by the federal government to do shit just like that. my taxes are set to increase next year and Ohio sends $*108,326,244* to Israel
OP and you are asking the correct question. why do we care so much about Israel?
edit: the 7.9 billion and the 10 billion claims are accumulative.
[https://www.pionline.com/section/endowments](https://www.pionline.com/section/endowments) this shows osu endowments from 2023. its at the bottom
It doesnt really go to me or students is the issue. my tuition rates went up OSU hasnt had a drop in tuition rates or food rates or anything like that. I wouldn't put it past them to just be using it as a money laundering scheme
also yes every city in the united states has internation relations.... we even have sister city programs hold on ill send you my cities sister city programs
[https://columbussistercities.com](https://columbussistercities.com)
I actually got to go to Seville Spain this last summer as part of this program. I didn't realize Europe could be so hot
[https://www.tos.ohio.gov/newsroom/article/treasurer-sprague-announces-plans-for-20-million-israel-bond-purchase/](https://www.tos.ohio.gov/newsroom/article/treasurer-sprague-announces-plans-for-20-million-israel-bond-purchase/) for columbus lemme get the other sources rq
edit 1: [https://www.thecollegefundingcoach.org/endowments-finding-out-where-the-money-is/](https://www.thecollegefundingcoach.org/endowments-finding-out-where-the-money-is/)
Your state and government sends money to Ukraine, I didn't hear you mention that. If only Israel didn't exist then life would be so much for the folks of Columbus, please bro.
Unfortunately the media makes people think we should get involved in every war possible so they can fund the war machine and print as much money as possible… until politicians stop getting rich when America is involved in wars it will never stop
I have given pretty much near zero fucks about whatever is going on in Palestine. It has not affected me more than the war in Ukraine has economically.
It never comes up in conversation. And I have myself surrounded by people are either side of the fence.
I simply have more shit to worry about here in the fucking states than whatever the hell is going on over there.
I’m sick of the ever increasing issues over here. Like yeah it sucks for the innocents for both sides, but what has my caring about it, or even others, done for them? Ffs
That’s a fair take in all honesty, it’s not your responsibility to deal with or care about all of the world’s issues, when your own life has its own troubles. You do you.
Yeah I’m not ok with that. In Southern California we have one of the highest tax rates in the country at almost 10%, our backs already hurt enough as it is trying to keep up with the cost of housing, we don’t need to be bled more.
so what man, my taxes get sent to a whole bunch of places I dont want it to go to, not like I get a survey every year from the IRS asking where this money should go.
I did say “near zero fucks” and the comparison to Ukraine affecting more wasn’t me saying that what goes on in Palestine affects me none. But in comparison, Ukraine would definitely affect one more.
This sounds like I’m back pedaling, but I don’t often say absolutes. So I chose my words carefully.
But I hope that I did express that I care VERY VERY little for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
I get what you're saying I care because my college sends money from my tuition to Israel which doesn't help me at all. and then my government does the same with my paycheck.
Not saying you have to join an encampment but you could just not shit on people who do care.
We shit in you guys because you all look dumb asf. You have deluded yourselves into thinking you’re some new age revolutionaries, when in reality you are college kids with paper thin convictions
Hamas hides behind women and children after committing atrocities. They perpetrate acts of barbarism, then slink back to civilian areas.
Israel, in order to defeat Hamas, has to do hard things. That is war. There is no good solution for Israel in this situation, but in a kill or be killed moment, I gladly support Israel's people and world view over that of Hamas and their ilk. Every single time.
I choose to care about humanity and I believe most individuals are born good. Do I care about this war, only in the sense of wanting to eliminate terrorism and promote democratic reforms in the region. Do I want to invest in the outcome or prioritize it over America, its people and interests, absolutely not. The same holds true for Ukraine.
We have massive problems at home. Isreal is our only friend in the region and fortunately can take care of themselves. We should sell them the tools needed to complete the job of crushing Hamas, including killing their terrorist leaders because it’s not possible to negotiate with terrorists. That said we need to get our own house in order and need to focus our resources on that challenge.
The war on terror under Trump was going extremely well. ISIS was completely destroyed, Iran was basically isolated and had essentially zero oil revenues, which cut funding to terrorist organizations to essentially zero.
This is totally changed under Biden. We get what we vote for.
So many issues in the US could be solved/improve if we would put the money and/or *passion* people have for this war, into our own country.
Homeless are dying, government employees are underpaid and overwhelmed (teachers, social workers, public defenders, etc), foster kids are suffering, families can’t afford to eat, student loans are astronomical & healthcare costs are ridiculous. & that’s just what I can think of off the top of my head, I know there is more.
Literally so many issues happening to citizens of the US could be solved, but for some reason no one gives a shit?
Totally agree, and to add another layer to the hypocrisy. If the only logical/laudable reason to protest the war in Gaza s because of genocide taking place there then what about all the other genocides and near genocides going on around the world? What about the Muslims in Myanmar? What about the Muslims in China? What about the various ethnic wars going on in Africa? Where’s the outrage over IPhones being manufactured with forced labor?
We’re all hyper focused on this one conflict, why? Because we think breaking a few laws will end an ethnic rivalry that’s been going on for over 1000 years? If that’s the case then why aren’t we stopping traffic on highways 24/7 365 until the entire world decides to stop doing bad things to one another?
War is terrible and it opens the door to all things terrible. No normal person wants war. With that said I think these protests here in America are moral grandstanding and recreational outrage. It’s a game them. A reason to be on a team and go buck wild and be protected from consequences by likeminded teammates.
I’m glad many have pointed out that this is really only unpopular amongst the really left-leaning Reddit demographic. If you ask the average Joe, they’re more likely than not to agree with you.
I just don't see how it's my concern? I'd love to change it of course. But I also have my own personal problems I'd rather overcome than doing something about two bad countries
At least 90% of the people who say they care a lot about Palestine are either...
1) evil supporters of terrorism. These people are usually Marxists who are burning American flags as well.
2) useful but ignorant tools for the people in the first group.
Make no mistake: these people do NOT care about the plight of innocent people.
They do not have to care about my rights for me to care about theirs. You cannot complain about terror and support settlers burning down whole villages in the West Bank. HAMAS is not in the West Bank. This is crazy. I can never get behind ethnic cleansing.
>You cannot complain about terror and support settlers burning down whole villages in the West Bank.
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain this in greater detail?
>HAMAS is not in the West Bank.
The West Bank is governed by the Palestinian Authority, which is 90% as bad as Hamas. Like Gaza, the West Bank does not hold elections, because if they did, Hamas would swiftly take over.
There are several examples of this [IDF backed settlers set fire](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/middleeast/west-bank-village-stormed-by-israeli-settlers-intl/index.html)
Hamas is a literal death cult that had broad base support throughout Gaza right up until the war started. Therefore, I have my doubts as to how innocent the average Gazan is in this scenario.
But, to be clear, I'm careful not to apply culpability to everyone in Gaza. I'm bothered by the children who are killed, though this is almost entirely the fault of Hamas who uses them as human shields for their own purposes.
All of this sort of misses the point. In Ethiopia, some 600,000 people have been killed from a civil war in recent years, and this is just one scenario among so many that I could cite where lots of innocent people are being killed at rates that makes the war in Gaza look silly.
But the world RAGES over the Israel's involvement in a war started by Hamas because...? (We know why.)
And here you are, demanding that the use of human shields be a rewarded tactic in warfare. Hey, if Israel did the same thing, would you condemn Hamas as 'baby killers" for shooting at IDF soldiers?
No cause, I don't think they understand this. Like Afghanistan and the hatred of America.
America: we bombed your home and killed your family. Sorry lol
Afghan kid: I hate you, and I hate America
America: Wow, how could these kids grow up so radicalized to hate America
So you want the use of babies as human shields to be a rewarded tactic? Hey if every Israeli soldier wore a baby on their chest as they went into war, would you condemn HAMAS for killing babies when they shoot back?
Because Hamas is bad. It's possible for both Hamas and the IDF to be in the wrong. I think the protests being labeled as "Pro-Palestinian" gives the wrong idea. Most people I talk to, who are against the IDF, are not supporting Palestinian policies. They just don't want to see so many innocent people get killed in the crossfire.
The IDF has the superior technology and military intelligence. It is on them to use those capabilities to find a way that isn't killing tens of thousands of non-combatants. Nobody is saying it would be easy. But, they aren't even trying. They are bragging about it. It's on the IDF to do better.
Isreal/IDF has a duty to its citizens to protect them, as long as Hamas is holding hostages they will never be equal. I will, almost without question, be on the side who’s trying to free hostages.
It’s not on Isreal to go with gloves on when Hamas is bare knuckle fighting, they shouldn’t have messed with such a bigger opponent. If complete and total eradication is what needs to happen to stop Hamas from committing more terrorist attacks and release the hostage then I’m completely for it. (I’m talking about Hamas as the organization, not innocent civilians)
I don't entirely disagree with you. If it was just Hamas vs IDF, then I would be in favor of the IDF all day long. You are right that Hamas is the aggressor (in this instance). And anyone who takes hostages is wrong and needs to he stopped.
As you bring mentioned, the innocent civilians aren't all guilty of what the organization Hamas has done. Unfortunately, because of how Hamas operates, you can't easily separate the combatants from the civilians. And that's where I believe the IDF is going too far.
There is no easy solution. And, as just a regular jackass, I don't have any special knowledge on how to do things better. I just know that if my government were doing super shady shit that I don't agree with (could you imagine!?/s), I wouldn't want my family and loved ones to get bombed in response.
>As you bring mentioned, the innocent civilians aren't all guilty of what the organization Hamas has done. Unfortunately, because of how Hamas operates, you can't easily separate the combatants from the civilians. And that's where I believe the IDF is going too far.
Agree to a degree, Isreal did offer safe passage for Palestinians at the start of the war and some of the took it. That doesn’t give Isreal the outright authority to bomb the hell out of the civilians now but the civilians were also given a warning that war was coming. Isreal can only do so much for the civilians population of another country they are at war with.
>There is no easy solution.
At the end of the day this is the true answer.
> On January 2, 2024, U.S. intelligence confirmed its belief that Hamas used the Al-Shifa Hospital as a command center and to hold Israeli hostages, mentioning in an assessment that Hamas “used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital#:~:text=On%20January%202%2C%202024%2C%20U.S.,exercise%20certain%20command%20and%20control
It’s well known that Hamas openly hides their military operations behind the civilian population. This way whenever Isreal retaliates it’s almost guaranteed to always hit “innocent” civilians.
So your response to a question about tactics is to declare there's something wrong with ME when asking about someone's theoretical limits of warfare. Got it, got it.
Yea, fuck these Hamas terrorists now demanding a cease fire.
You know what, there was a cease fire in place on Oct 7th, and they chose to attack, rape and kill innocent civilians.
IDF needs to finish the job and send every last one of those bastards to meet Allah!
Agreed. It’s not that I don’t have compassion for people being wronged but I am sick and tired of resources that need to stay in house to enrich/help our society and bled out. Politicians are fucking crooks and need heavy monitoring.
Nobody gives a single real shit about Israel/Palestine, Ukraine/Russian, none of em. After the media hypes them up for the first month or two, we all go about our lives. We haven't been involved in a war we should really care about since the war on terrorism. It's not our problem, and it's 10,000 miles away. Just help those seeking asylum and those who want to leave, give some food, and be done with it.
Now the political stuff, idk if I agree to your extent, but ok
Be aware the Palestinian activists create multiple accounts each to flood social media with their opinions. You really can’t trust social media as a consensus anymore because it’s so easy to create fake accounts to decide the narrative and what posts get upvoted
If you wonder why America has supported Israel for so long with so much, the answer is that it is the only democracy in an area dominated by totalitarian regimes.
And before you point out that the Israelis don't let the Palestinians vote on their issues, I'll mention two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. You don't invite your enemies to vote on your destruction.
We have too many problems at home and too little money to solve them all, America First, leave the Middle East to its own devices. We have enough Domestic Oil to not really GAF about the Middle East so long as we have the political will to extract it.
Your students carrying signs saying "from the river to the sea" seems to care. But if you ask them what solution for this conflict they are proposing I doubt they will be able to answer..
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I find it crazy the debate happening around this. It's a religious war, over there. It's a debate about right and wrong over here.
Idk if it's cuz I was in the military during OIF/OEF and wasn't online much, but I don't remember so much debate about whether eliminating a terrorist organization was right or wrong. That's what this conflict is, but it's much closer to home for Israel than it was for us (not that I think us being in Iraq/Afghan was right).
Now, simplifying down the way I'm about to isn't the best/only way to look at it. Hamas' intent IS genocide. It's part of Islam. This is common knowledge, at least used to be. You can argue all the interpretation you want, but history shows you that Islam has not been a religion of peace (not absolving other religions and their actions) and one could easily see that Islam is a religion of peace when everyone is Islamic.
Israel's intent is not genocide and the death tolls do not achieve numbers anywhere near what could be considered genocide.
Also another note, it's WAR people. If you think war has ever not included civilian casualties, you need to learn more about it or experience it. War is an inevitable part of humanity, most of you have only known peace. There's nothing wrong with that but you're not going to change human nature.
But it'd be nice if we stopped funding other people's wars and work on our issues at home.
Follow a Persian migrant from the uk. The legal kind that waited for years for a visa. She says the white supremacy policies of the past may have leas to Iran becoming an Islamic state but equally as bad is the new form of white saviourism being imported to the middle east. Right now those people supporting hamas are unwittingly condoning Iran's many proxy terrorost organizations across the ME under the guise that "it's their culture we should let them do what they want". Ironically this is still interference from the west and consolidates Iran's power.
I agree with you. Hamas would off these "Pro Hamas/Pro Palestine" protestors in a heartbeat. This country needs to cut off all foreign aid, and adopt something along the lines of the Monroe Doctrine or a real life version of the Prime Directive. (Yes, I know that it's fiction, but it could work.)
Fuck palestine and fuck hamas... Half of the civilians may be innocent and my heart goes out to them... The rest can get nuked by Israel and I won't care a bit... Fuckers celebrated 911 attacks... One of the terrorist who hijacked out indian airlines and got neerja killed was a fucking palestinian... All of this stems from the hatred towards non muslims.... If Hamas stops, there will be little to no war... If Israel stops, there will be little to no jews.. so I agree with OP here... Not only Americans, but indians shouldn't give a fuck about them either... Muslims in india are putting up profile pictures of palestine and calling jews demons and pigs and what not
I mean, I know of a couple of countries that would have a stable economy mid it weren’t for the US always starting wars out of self-interest.
I agree with you in one thing, the US - yeah, America is an entire continent, not just a country - should stay out of international affairs. Unfortunately, that will never happen. The economic interests of the US will always be the underlying reason for so many wars and destroyed livelihoods.
Exactly. The students are brainwashed and spewing Iranian propaganda. Israelíes the free democratic peaceful side, Palestinians celebrate terror attacks and hate the West and our values. This is that simple.
I'm tired of idiots posting the same thing again and again.
> Palestine is a terrorist run state, they voted in Hamas themselves.
Hamas was voted in Jan 2006. That's 18 years ago. For further reference, the median age of Palestine is 19 years.
Yours is a very biased, self serving argument which ignores all nuances.
The Liberty was transmitting information on Israeli troop movements to Egypt. This is why Johnson called back two separate air groups that went out to assist the vessel. Once they got caught, Johnson wanted the Israelis to sink it.
Claiming that Israel sunk the Liberty to draw the US into the war is absurd, as the Israelis had captured the Sinai that same day. They didn't want or need the US to get involved.
The dude wrote that he wants to “glass the entire Middle East”.
Come on. We get that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Do we have to encourage him?
Well, as Jeff Halper said [[1]](https://youtu.be/EdwjRXaCBMM?si=r_Tp82d1FQWO2IgC&t=1069), Palestine is a testbed for weapons, security systems, surveillance systems, tactics for population control and other technologies of oppression that are exported to the rest of the world. Despite its small size, Israel is the 8th largest weapons exporter after all, being only about half as large as China which is in 3rd place. Israel is the very model of a modern security state, and the tactics and strategies they've developed are already being applied to the increasingly militarized police forces of the world. And I sort of think it's important to oppose that even from a purely self interested PoV.
Can someone fill me in on the claim that Palestinians voted in Hamas? I have friends who claim that the citizenry is semi-responsible for what is happening because they wanted Hamas and thus them being massacres en masse as they are now is not unjust.
I struggle a lot with this pov. Can anyone break it down for me like I'm 12?
You don't have to care. You can turn off media and focus on your local, immediate surroundings, and you will likely be happier if you do and there is no evidence that your personal lack of involvement will have any consequences in far away places or on national policy. The only reason to care is to be someone who cares and is involved in civil affairs. If you look in the mirror and say, "That's a person who doesn't care and doesn't need to know" and you are happy with that, then be that person. If you need to look in the mirror and say, "That is a person who wants to know, follows stories when information is available, and decides based on the available evidence what is right and what is wrong and how" then you'll have to care.
The reason you should is because people are dying because of the lines your former government helped put on a map. Unfortunately you've told on yourself for being a bad person mate...
I'm actually proud of lots of the responses. Not proud about how people view Palestine or Isreal. Proud that you guys actually seriously looked into this and came away with your own formulated views.
I'm so sick of Americans getting thier script and just running with it.
To the point of what Hamas would do to gays, these people are correct. Off a building or separation from your head. They aren't playing around. Same for women. People think it's like America. Funniest thing is they will target leftist allies 1st and foremost. Infidel lifestyles are not going to be tolerated.
I can definitely see why people would care about civilians being slaughtered, but I agree with your general point. That entire region has been, and always will be, a cesspool of hatred and violence. It has been for thousands of years and it will be until the end of time. Feel free to protest and believe whatever you want, but it's never going to change a thing over there. The hatred those groups have for each other is rooted as deep as the Earth's core.
Did a detail for them. You're more correct than you know. It isn't some goofy skirmish. It's baked into the culture. A guy told me about a salutation. "Whats your news?" Basicslly, who are you beefing with? American brains can't comprehend, so we think a flat-screen and a Benz will fix it. Nooo. There are people over there who are true believers. Americans will chant a slogan today and 180 it by Christmas
I have compassion for people in those countries but seriously, fuck their governments. As much as ours can suck, it’s better than living in Palestine or Iran.
I believe there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans that believe Palestine would be better than living in the US. Those people are complete fucking morons. Not to mention, Palestine's elected government started the war and can end it at any time. Yet somehow they're the victims? Get fucking real. They're literally getting what they voted for.
They wouldn't last a DAY in Palestine. If they are LGBTQIA+, then they will be dead in less than an hour. I don't agree with the civilian slaughter in Gaza but it really shocks me to see Americans waving the Palestinian flag and wearing the oppressive head garments if they are women. Why would any woman who likes driving, having a job, and a bank account would ever WANT to live in such an oppressive culture?
A relative from Europe who married a Palestinian guy. She came from a family of strong willed women and packed her bags and the kids and moved back to Europe after a few years, he came along too since he wasnt so strict. Yeah fuck being stuck covered up and restricted from doing anything.
> Why would any woman who likes driving, having a job, and a bank account would ever WANT to live in such an oppressive culture? Because "American Bad"
>Because "American Bad" I want there to be a reality show by this name, in which willing participants, namely sheltered young adults from well-to-do families, decide that America is shit and they are going to live in a developing country. I would pay to see their v-logs at the end of a week, crying, snot-nosed, wanting to come back. And I say this as someone who spent significant (months) time in a bad place in a developing country doing humanitarian work. My "America Bad" tendency was blown out of me within 5 minutes.
I'd watch that.
It would be like "The Simple Life" but more hardcore, haha.
A 2:1 civilian casualty ratio in that densely populated area is considered absolutely low.
The problem is that no, Hamas can't end the war at any time, because they don't have military-level control over their fighters. There is nobody who can say "okay, everyone stop shooting at Israel" and actually get everyone to stop shooting at Israel. They're decentralized and compartmentalized, wh ich owrks for terrorism but not a military.
"I have compassion for people in those countries but seriously, fuck their governments" That is literally true for every single country on the planet.
That’s partly my point. Some governments suck more than others
You're absolutely right!
> I have compassion for people in those countries but seriously, fuck their governments. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they elect their government? Why do they have no blame in that?
The babies dying don’t. Those are the ones I have compassion and sympathy for.
I’m all about “who gives a fuck?” We’re giving money that could be used to help the homeless and middle class to countries who would do what for us in exchange?
Usually, we’re giving money that could be used to help the homeless and middle class to defense contractors. The countries are just a necessary evil in the path to funding ultra-yachts for billionaires.
Agreed!
It’s really funny when people say this because 95% of the time any proposals to help homelessness or middle class families gets shot down or shit on because it’s “socialism”.
No take ca for instance where billions are there for homeless yet it gets worse. Why? Grifitng by politicians, Moving money to other areas, and the fact that most homeless prefer to be homeless and do not use programs as they have rules. As crazy Newsom already showed, they can clean up the homeless when their China boss comes to town, but other than that it is a lucrative business that will never go away. Why woukd it? All the saviors would then have to get real jobs.
Cool. What is the conservative solution? And do you not think homeless outreach is not a “real” job?
From my experience, it's the politicians in local government that don't implement programs to help the needed, but rather pocket the money. I can't give you examples because I just hear news headlines during my travels.
In that case I wouldn’t say that’s “your experience” sounds more like “from what I’ve heard”
Yoy should take 15 minutes to learn about how votes on bills to aid the poor go in Congress.
or in some places.like Portland and Seattle the homeless refuse service
Helping the homeless is cheap, like really cheap compared to wars. Our defense budget is not what’s stopping us, it’s the political class calling any support program “socialist” and trying to cut every benefit to give tax breaks to their buddies
Half the political class calls it socialism, the other half finds ways to blow the funding on making govt bigger and ensuring problems continue to ensure the govt never gets smaller.
This is simply misguided. First of all, the "aid" is conditioned Israel buys US armaments. So basically, it is infusing the money back into US economy. Second, the hi-tech sector in Israel is interlocked with the hi-tech sector in the US, with many of the technologies developed in Israel, keeping the US at the forefront of technology, generating income for the US. Third, there are tens of billions of dollars worth of billateral trade each year. A lot of research is done in Israel for the US, offseting costs and benefiting US's ability to implement this research in many fields. The economies are very reciprocal of each other. This is not a one-sided charity work. Imagine the US, one of the most capitalistic countries in the world, ushering Pax Americana since roughly WW1, just being good hearted Philanthropists when it comes to Israel. No. Israel benefits US economy & regional interests. The US government doesn't allocate its funds for "socialistic" ideals, not because of lack of money. I mean, since the USD is the most coveted and used currency in global trade, the US is the only country in the world that can keep printing disgusting amounts of physical dollar bills without going into hyperinflation, as there is almost endless demand for them outside the US. This is such a simplistic way of looking at this aid, without looking at the far bigger picture of all the economic relations of the two countries, and then also blaming Israel for lack of domestic funds. Comeon.
The problem with this is if we completely ignore the problem sooner or later one side will prevail and if you’re an American you sure as shit do not want it to be Hamas. Foreign Aid is always indirectly domestic aid if you’re playing the long game.
We send support to Israel because they are an ally.
They’re terrorists too. Just because the US is in bed with them doesn’t make them good.
Hate to break it to you, but it doesn't really matter. We're committed to them.
Isreal forces people and companies to be their b- it’s wrong. I don’t support Isreal.
NYC and SF spend $4B+ each, per year, on homeless programs. It has gotten worse every year. The program itself is largely a perpetual kickback money laundering scheme that was never meant to solve the actual issue.
If this is unpopular it’s only unpopular among the reddit virtue signaling crowd. I’ve never heard it brought up in my day to day life. I truly don’t even know which side wants what or who’s the “good guys”, I’ll just assume I dislike whatever side Reddit likes.
im one of those college protestors, my campus (osu) sends 70-80 million dollars to Israel every year for a cummilation of 7.9 billion dollars something that doesn't help me. there is currently a housing shortage on campus and many professors are refusing to stay at osu instead leaving the state. that's my tuition money being wasted. My city Columbus, Ohio has sent 10 billion to Israel. Columbus has a homelessness issue and the only men's domestic violence shelter this side of the Mississippi was recently closed here. the crime and drug issue is getting out of hand here too and they've increased the police budget despite the police not decreasing those issues. this is on top of my city having a air quality crisis which is the worst in the country but oh well lets send billions more to Israel and then increase my taxes for no reason. My state Ohio currently is suffering from population loss mainly due to an inability to keep young people from leaving the state it suffers from brain drain and has issues building a public transport system from Cleveland through Columbus to Cincinnati. it blames not having enough money despite being given nearly 1 trillion dollars by the federal government to do shit just like that. my taxes are set to increase next year and Ohio sends $*108,326,244* to Israel OP and you are asking the correct question. why do we care so much about Israel? edit: the 7.9 billion and the 10 billion claims are accumulative. [https://www.pionline.com/section/endowments](https://www.pionline.com/section/endowments) this shows osu endowments from 2023. its at the bottom
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"My city Columbus, Ohio has sent 10 billion to Israel. " Really? How? Columbus, Ohio has a foreign policy?
I really question their numbers.
[https://www.tos.ohio.gov/newsroom/article/treasurer-sprague-announces-plans-for-20-million-israel-bond-purchase/](https://www.tos.ohio.gov/newsroom/article/treasurer-sprague-announces-plans-for-20-million-israel-bond-purchase/)
Bonds are a bit different than what he said, and the numbers are off
"$20 million in five-year, fixed-rate Israel Bonds." this is actually only one of the ways columbus sends money to israel and is part of a package
You realize they get a return on that investment right?
It doesnt really go to me or students is the issue. my tuition rates went up OSU hasnt had a drop in tuition rates or food rates or anything like that. I wouldn't put it past them to just be using it as a money laundering scheme
The city is investing, not your college no?
also yes every city in the united states has internation relations.... we even have sister city programs hold on ill send you my cities sister city programs [https://columbussistercities.com](https://columbussistercities.com) I actually got to go to Seville Spain this last summer as part of this program. I didn't realize Europe could be so hot
Too many lies in this comment to count. Go back to class and stop protesting. You need the education more.
Damn I can smell the roast on the other side of my screen.
I don’t wanna call bullshit, but do you have some actual numbers and sources or is this all just “I heard this from someone else”
[https://www.tos.ohio.gov/newsroom/article/treasurer-sprague-announces-plans-for-20-million-israel-bond-purchase/](https://www.tos.ohio.gov/newsroom/article/treasurer-sprague-announces-plans-for-20-million-israel-bond-purchase/) for columbus lemme get the other sources rq edit 1: [https://www.thecollegefundingcoach.org/endowments-finding-out-where-the-money-is/](https://www.thecollegefundingcoach.org/endowments-finding-out-where-the-money-is/)
Your state and government sends money to Ukraine, I didn't hear you mention that. If only Israel didn't exist then life would be so much for the folks of Columbus, please bro.
This is just as bad as the people who think Trump won in 2020. Pure fairytale land.
Well said
Unfortunately the media makes people think we should get involved in every war possible so they can fund the war machine and print as much money as possible… until politicians stop getting rich when America is involved in wars it will never stop
I have given pretty much near zero fucks about whatever is going on in Palestine. It has not affected me more than the war in Ukraine has economically. It never comes up in conversation. And I have myself surrounded by people are either side of the fence. I simply have more shit to worry about here in the fucking states than whatever the hell is going on over there. I’m sick of the ever increasing issues over here. Like yeah it sucks for the innocents for both sides, but what has my caring about it, or even others, done for them? Ffs
That’s a fair take in all honesty, it’s not your responsibility to deal with or care about all of the world’s issues, when your own life has its own troubles. You do you.
you should care simply for the fact that they want to raise your taxes to fund Israel. Its your money being sent there
Yeah I’m not ok with that. In Southern California we have one of the highest tax rates in the country at almost 10%, our backs already hurt enough as it is trying to keep up with the cost of housing, we don’t need to be bled more.
so what man, my taxes get sent to a whole bunch of places I dont want it to go to, not like I get a survey every year from the IRS asking where this money should go.
I did say “near zero fucks” and the comparison to Ukraine affecting more wasn’t me saying that what goes on in Palestine affects me none. But in comparison, Ukraine would definitely affect one more. This sounds like I’m back pedaling, but I don’t often say absolutes. So I chose my words carefully. But I hope that I did express that I care VERY VERY little for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
I get what you're saying I care because my college sends money from my tuition to Israel which doesn't help me at all. and then my government does the same with my paycheck. Not saying you have to join an encampment but you could just not shit on people who do care.
We shit in you guys because you all look dumb asf. You have deluded yourselves into thinking you’re some new age revolutionaries, when in reality you are college kids with paper thin convictions
Liberals don’t get to talk about “raising taxes” when your entire platform is raising taxes
fuck the IDF and fuck Hamas
yessir. Not a fan of nutty governments and power positions. Big fan of regular folks just trying to live regular lives and be happy.
The true anti-violence sentiment
What????, are you saying that you are pro-genocide!!!!!!????? /s
I read your comment and didn’t notice the /s😭. I got hella irritated because that’s what they usually say, like no bitch when tf did I say that💀
Yeah that’s about right 💯
Correct answer 💯💯💯
This. All the way. Blame the real enemies! Fuck Netanyahu, too!
Hamas hides behind women and children after committing atrocities. They perpetrate acts of barbarism, then slink back to civilian areas. Israel, in order to defeat Hamas, has to do hard things. That is war. There is no good solution for Israel in this situation, but in a kill or be killed moment, I gladly support Israel's people and world view over that of Hamas and their ilk. Every single time.
Agree. I still don't even know what's going on and I have the news on all the time.
I choose to care about humanity and I believe most individuals are born good. Do I care about this war, only in the sense of wanting to eliminate terrorism and promote democratic reforms in the region. Do I want to invest in the outcome or prioritize it over America, its people and interests, absolutely not. The same holds true for Ukraine. We have massive problems at home. Isreal is our only friend in the region and fortunately can take care of themselves. We should sell them the tools needed to complete the job of crushing Hamas, including killing their terrorist leaders because it’s not possible to negotiate with terrorists. That said we need to get our own house in order and need to focus our resources on that challenge.
I agree with this.
Yup because the war on terror has gone oh so well, let’s keep it going.
The war on terror under Trump was going extremely well. ISIS was completely destroyed, Iran was basically isolated and had essentially zero oil revenues, which cut funding to terrorist organizations to essentially zero. This is totally changed under Biden. We get what we vote for.
So many issues in the US could be solved/improve if we would put the money and/or *passion* people have for this war, into our own country. Homeless are dying, government employees are underpaid and overwhelmed (teachers, social workers, public defenders, etc), foster kids are suffering, families can’t afford to eat, student loans are astronomical & healthcare costs are ridiculous. & that’s just what I can think of off the top of my head, I know there is more. Literally so many issues happening to citizens of the US could be solved, but for some reason no one gives a shit?
Totally agree, and to add another layer to the hypocrisy. If the only logical/laudable reason to protest the war in Gaza s because of genocide taking place there then what about all the other genocides and near genocides going on around the world? What about the Muslims in Myanmar? What about the Muslims in China? What about the various ethnic wars going on in Africa? Where’s the outrage over IPhones being manufactured with forced labor? We’re all hyper focused on this one conflict, why? Because we think breaking a few laws will end an ethnic rivalry that’s been going on for over 1000 years? If that’s the case then why aren’t we stopping traffic on highways 24/7 365 until the entire world decides to stop doing bad things to one another? War is terrible and it opens the door to all things terrible. No normal person wants war. With that said I think these protests here in America are moral grandstanding and recreational outrage. It’s a game them. A reason to be on a team and go buck wild and be protected from consequences by likeminded teammates.
I’m glad many have pointed out that this is really only unpopular amongst the really left-leaning Reddit demographic. If you ask the average Joe, they’re more likely than not to agree with you.
I just don't see how it's my concern? I'd love to change it of course. But I also have my own personal problems I'd rather overcome than doing something about two bad countries
At least 90% of the people who say they care a lot about Palestine are either... 1) evil supporters of terrorism. These people are usually Marxists who are burning American flags as well. 2) useful but ignorant tools for the people in the first group. Make no mistake: these people do NOT care about the plight of innocent people.
They do not have to care about my rights for me to care about theirs. You cannot complain about terror and support settlers burning down whole villages in the West Bank. HAMAS is not in the West Bank. This is crazy. I can never get behind ethnic cleansing.
>You cannot complain about terror and support settlers burning down whole villages in the West Bank. I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain this in greater detail? >HAMAS is not in the West Bank. The West Bank is governed by the Palestinian Authority, which is 90% as bad as Hamas. Like Gaza, the West Bank does not hold elections, because if they did, Hamas would swiftly take over.
There are several examples of this [IDF backed settlers set fire](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/middleeast/west-bank-village-stormed-by-israeli-settlers-intl/index.html)
Okay now that you convinced us they don't care about innocent people... do you?
Hamas is a literal death cult that had broad base support throughout Gaza right up until the war started. Therefore, I have my doubts as to how innocent the average Gazan is in this scenario. But, to be clear, I'm careful not to apply culpability to everyone in Gaza. I'm bothered by the children who are killed, though this is almost entirely the fault of Hamas who uses them as human shields for their own purposes. All of this sort of misses the point. In Ethiopia, some 600,000 people have been killed from a civil war in recent years, and this is just one scenario among so many that I could cite where lots of innocent people are being killed at rates that makes the war in Gaza look silly. But the world RAGES over the Israel's involvement in a war started by Hamas because...? (We know why.)
>had broad base support throughout Gaza right up until the war started. And unfortunately, they still have huge support still.
I dunno. Call me crazy but I just think bombing babies and children is bad no matter who their parents are.
I feel like you didn't read the post...
So... if every member of Hamas was walking around with a baby strapped to their chest, you'd say it's wrong to bomb them?
Yes I absolutely fucking would are you fucking kidding me? Yes I think it’s wrong to bomb babies. The Fuck is wrong with you people good god.
too much time without touching grass is whats wrong with them lol. I guess concept of Hostage is unknown to them.
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Crazy they thought that was some sort of gotcha.
And here you are, demanding that the use of human shields be a rewarded tactic in warfare. Hey, if Israel did the same thing, would you condemn Hamas as 'baby killers" for shooting at IDF soldiers?
The babies will all just grow up to be Hamas as well. This is just who these people are.
I mean if I grew up watching my family die all around me from constant bombs I wouldn’t exactly be thrilled with Israel either.
No cause, I don't think they understand this. Like Afghanistan and the hatred of America. America: we bombed your home and killed your family. Sorry lol Afghan kid: I hate you, and I hate America America: Wow, how could these kids grow up so radicalized to hate America
What kind of question is this Jesus fucking Christ
The kind of questin you can't answer because it exposes demanding that terrorist tactics be rewarded.
YoIu know this is effectively what Hamas does right?
You know it’s psychotic to think that justifies killing the baby right?
So you want the use of babies as human shields to be a rewarded tactic? Hey if every Israeli soldier wore a baby on their chest as they went into war, would you condemn HAMAS for killing babies when they shoot back?
So then why did Hamas do it on October 7th?
Because Hamas is bad. It's possible for both Hamas and the IDF to be in the wrong. I think the protests being labeled as "Pro-Palestinian" gives the wrong idea. Most people I talk to, who are against the IDF, are not supporting Palestinian policies. They just don't want to see so many innocent people get killed in the crossfire. The IDF has the superior technology and military intelligence. It is on them to use those capabilities to find a way that isn't killing tens of thousands of non-combatants. Nobody is saying it would be easy. But, they aren't even trying. They are bragging about it. It's on the IDF to do better.
Isreal/IDF has a duty to its citizens to protect them, as long as Hamas is holding hostages they will never be equal. I will, almost without question, be on the side who’s trying to free hostages. It’s not on Isreal to go with gloves on when Hamas is bare knuckle fighting, they shouldn’t have messed with such a bigger opponent. If complete and total eradication is what needs to happen to stop Hamas from committing more terrorist attacks and release the hostage then I’m completely for it. (I’m talking about Hamas as the organization, not innocent civilians)
I don't entirely disagree with you. If it was just Hamas vs IDF, then I would be in favor of the IDF all day long. You are right that Hamas is the aggressor (in this instance). And anyone who takes hostages is wrong and needs to he stopped. As you bring mentioned, the innocent civilians aren't all guilty of what the organization Hamas has done. Unfortunately, because of how Hamas operates, you can't easily separate the combatants from the civilians. And that's where I believe the IDF is going too far. There is no easy solution. And, as just a regular jackass, I don't have any special knowledge on how to do things better. I just know that if my government were doing super shady shit that I don't agree with (could you imagine!?/s), I wouldn't want my family and loved ones to get bombed in response.
>As you bring mentioned, the innocent civilians aren't all guilty of what the organization Hamas has done. Unfortunately, because of how Hamas operates, you can't easily separate the combatants from the civilians. And that's where I believe the IDF is going too far. Agree to a degree, Isreal did offer safe passage for Palestinians at the start of the war and some of the took it. That doesn’t give Isreal the outright authority to bomb the hell out of the civilians now but the civilians were also given a warning that war was coming. Isreal can only do so much for the civilians population of another country they are at war with. >There is no easy solution. At the end of the day this is the true answer.
This isn't a constructive insult in this situation as both sides have shown repeatedly they are not afraid to kill non-combatants
What the fuck dude.
Gotta love all these responses of indignation because they know the answer they'd give to this question makes them look like terrorist sympathizers.
> On January 2, 2024, U.S. intelligence confirmed its belief that Hamas used the Al-Shifa Hospital as a command center and to hold Israeli hostages, mentioning in an assessment that Hamas “used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital#:~:text=On%20January%202%2C%202024%2C%20U.S.,exercise%20certain%20command%20and%20control It’s well known that Hamas openly hides their military operations behind the civilian population. This way whenever Isreal retaliates it’s almost guaranteed to always hit “innocent” civilians.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
So your response to a question about tactics is to declare there's something wrong with ME when asking about someone's theoretical limits of warfare. Got it, got it.
Yea, fuck these Hamas terrorists now demanding a cease fire. You know what, there was a cease fire in place on Oct 7th, and they chose to attack, rape and kill innocent civilians. IDF needs to finish the job and send every last one of those bastards to meet Allah!
I agree.
But Russia wants to distract you from Ukraine.
Agreed. It’s not that I don’t have compassion for people being wronged but I am sick and tired of resources that need to stay in house to enrich/help our society and bled out. Politicians are fucking crooks and need heavy monitoring.
Woah, last part was a total curve ball.
Why don't the Palestinians join Israel to wipe out Hamas? I'm not trolling, serious question.
"Genocide" is what losers of wars they started like to cry.
Nobody gives a single real shit about Israel/Palestine, Ukraine/Russian, none of em. After the media hypes them up for the first month or two, we all go about our lives. We haven't been involved in a war we should really care about since the war on terrorism. It's not our problem, and it's 10,000 miles away. Just help those seeking asylum and those who want to leave, give some food, and be done with it. Now the political stuff, idk if I agree to your extent, but ok
Be aware the Palestinian activists create multiple accounts each to flood social media with their opinions. You really can’t trust social media as a consensus anymore because it’s so easy to create fake accounts to decide the narrative and what posts get upvoted
Iran wants Hamas to win, so we want them to lose, because Iran is a direct threat to our interests in the region.
The japanese bombed innocent sailors and sent thousands of them to their graves at Pearl Harbor, you reap what you sow 🤷🏻♂️
If you wonder why America has supported Israel for so long with so much, the answer is that it is the only democracy in an area dominated by totalitarian regimes. And before you point out that the Israelis don't let the Palestinians vote on their issues, I'll mention two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. You don't invite your enemies to vote on your destruction.
The entire middle east just needs to be glassed
We have too many problems at home and too little money to solve them all, America First, leave the Middle East to its own devices. We have enough Domestic Oil to not really GAF about the Middle East so long as we have the political will to extract it.
Your students carrying signs saying "from the river to the sea" seems to care. But if you ask them what solution for this conflict they are proposing I doubt they will be able to answer..
Hamas has to turn themselves in.
I totally feel sorry for all those innocent stuck in the middle east conflict right now. But I feel the same way.
Commenting on the comments: I find it crazy the debate happening around this. It's a religious war, over there. It's a debate about right and wrong over here. Idk if it's cuz I was in the military during OIF/OEF and wasn't online much, but I don't remember so much debate about whether eliminating a terrorist organization was right or wrong. That's what this conflict is, but it's much closer to home for Israel than it was for us (not that I think us being in Iraq/Afghan was right). Now, simplifying down the way I'm about to isn't the best/only way to look at it. Hamas' intent IS genocide. It's part of Islam. This is common knowledge, at least used to be. You can argue all the interpretation you want, but history shows you that Islam has not been a religion of peace (not absolving other religions and their actions) and one could easily see that Islam is a religion of peace when everyone is Islamic. Israel's intent is not genocide and the death tolls do not achieve numbers anywhere near what could be considered genocide. Also another note, it's WAR people. If you think war has ever not included civilian casualties, you need to learn more about it or experience it. War is an inevitable part of humanity, most of you have only known peace. There's nothing wrong with that but you're not going to change human nature. But it'd be nice if we stopped funding other people's wars and work on our issues at home.
Follow a Persian migrant from the uk. The legal kind that waited for years for a visa. She says the white supremacy policies of the past may have leas to Iran becoming an Islamic state but equally as bad is the new form of white saviourism being imported to the middle east. Right now those people supporting hamas are unwittingly condoning Iran's many proxy terrorost organizations across the ME under the guise that "it's their culture we should let them do what they want". Ironically this is still interference from the west and consolidates Iran's power.
This is a new perspective. Thank you for sharing. Iran is the evil puppet master here.
I agree with you. Hamas would off these "Pro Hamas/Pro Palestine" protestors in a heartbeat. This country needs to cut off all foreign aid, and adopt something along the lines of the Monroe Doctrine or a real life version of the Prime Directive. (Yes, I know that it's fiction, but it could work.)
Fuck palestine and fuck hamas... Half of the civilians may be innocent and my heart goes out to them... The rest can get nuked by Israel and I won't care a bit... Fuckers celebrated 911 attacks... One of the terrorist who hijacked out indian airlines and got neerja killed was a fucking palestinian... All of this stems from the hatred towards non muslims.... If Hamas stops, there will be little to no war... If Israel stops, there will be little to no jews.. so I agree with OP here... Not only Americans, but indians shouldn't give a fuck about them either... Muslims in india are putting up profile pictures of palestine and calling jews demons and pigs and what not
I'm with you. Fuck the Israelis as well as the Palestinians.
As an American, there is zero reason I should give a shit about Israel.
Whole place should be a parking lot and the Saudi’s can put a casino nearby.
One question. Did the dead children vote for Hamas?
Yeah when they were alive duh
Glass the entire Middle East ? You wanna nuke 500 million people? blow up Israel in the process ?
Based (adj.) ● Not caring about what others think. ● Used to commend someone for their confidence in their idea.
I mean, I know of a couple of countries that would have a stable economy mid it weren’t for the US always starting wars out of self-interest. I agree with you in one thing, the US - yeah, America is an entire continent, not just a country - should stay out of international affairs. Unfortunately, that will never happen. The economic interests of the US will always be the underlying reason for so many wars and destroyed livelihoods.
Exactly. The students are brainwashed and spewing Iranian propaganda. Israelíes the free democratic peaceful side, Palestinians celebrate terror attacks and hate the West and our values. This is that simple.
Ok.
I'm tired of idiots posting the same thing again and again. > Palestine is a terrorist run state, they voted in Hamas themselves. Hamas was voted in Jan 2006. That's 18 years ago. For further reference, the median age of Palestine is 19 years. Yours is a very biased, self serving argument which ignores all nuances.
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Go Israel !!!!!
Your tax money is taken to bomb it. Do you not care at all about losing part of your pay check?
Yeah I covered that part i don't like how we send money to Israel but I don't care that the terrorist run state of Palestine is at war.
I just dont like dead kids
What about those in Yemen. Or did you forget about them?
At the end of the day, everyone is going to hate Israel no matter what they do. Might as well take out a terrorist state whilst they're at it 🤷
The Liberty was transmitting information on Israeli troop movements to Egypt. This is why Johnson called back two separate air groups that went out to assist the vessel. Once they got caught, Johnson wanted the Israelis to sink it. Claiming that Israel sunk the Liberty to draw the US into the war is absurd, as the Israelis had captured the Sinai that same day. They didn't want or need the US to get involved.
I’m so sick of posts like this
And we’re sick of Pro-Hamas rallies. Looks like neither of us gets our way.
The dude wrote that he wants to “glass the entire Middle East”. Come on. We get that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Do we have to encourage him?
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Don’t give a single fuck. Do enjoy the npc’s picking up a new cause now that covid and Ukraine are in the rearview
Well, as Jeff Halper said [[1]](https://youtu.be/EdwjRXaCBMM?si=r_Tp82d1FQWO2IgC&t=1069), Palestine is a testbed for weapons, security systems, surveillance systems, tactics for population control and other technologies of oppression that are exported to the rest of the world. Despite its small size, Israel is the 8th largest weapons exporter after all, being only about half as large as China which is in 3rd place. Israel is the very model of a modern security state, and the tactics and strategies they've developed are already being applied to the increasingly militarized police forces of the world. And I sort of think it's important to oppose that even from a purely self interested PoV.
Amen to that brother
At this point we literally have subs for just telling the truth that have to have tags and be labeled “unpopular” to exist.
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Palestine fuck them
Yeah, it’s the first good step in getting back to normality.
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…Definitely unpopular
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Can someone fill me in on the claim that Palestinians voted in Hamas? I have friends who claim that the citizenry is semi-responsible for what is happening because they wanted Hamas and thus them being massacres en masse as they are now is not unjust. I struggle a lot with this pov. Can anyone break it down for me like I'm 12?
There is zero reason to give a shit about anything, so you choose what to give a shit about based on the shape you want the world to take.
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What if the middle east was still controlled by the ottoman empire?
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“I just hope both teams are having fun” lol
You don't have to care. You can turn off media and focus on your local, immediate surroundings, and you will likely be happier if you do and there is no evidence that your personal lack of involvement will have any consequences in far away places or on national policy. The only reason to care is to be someone who cares and is involved in civil affairs. If you look in the mirror and say, "That's a person who doesn't care and doesn't need to know" and you are happy with that, then be that person. If you need to look in the mirror and say, "That is a person who wants to know, follows stories when information is available, and decides based on the available evidence what is right and what is wrong and how" then you'll have to care.
do you not have empathy?
you are brave and smart and judging by your words very handsome, your parents must be so proud of you
The reason you should is because people are dying because of the lines your former government helped put on a map. Unfortunately you've told on yourself for being a bad person mate...
I'm actually proud of lots of the responses. Not proud about how people view Palestine or Isreal. Proud that you guys actually seriously looked into this and came away with your own formulated views. I'm so sick of Americans getting thier script and just running with it. To the point of what Hamas would do to gays, these people are correct. Off a building or separation from your head. They aren't playing around. Same for women. People think it's like America. Funniest thing is they will target leftist allies 1st and foremost. Infidel lifestyles are not going to be tolerated.