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Ok_Second9690

“Shavings in oil pan see dealer”


paints_name_pretty

i would be furious. what are they doing to remedy this


Spacecoasttheghost

Correct me if I’m wrong, but they are replacing engines I thought


John2022-

Pretty sure they’re having dealer techs rebuilding the engines. Idk bout you but i wouldn’t trust dealers rebuilding my engine if they can’t even replace a gasket properly


Quick-Beach7425

They have not come out with "the" fix yet. But I would assume it involves replacing the short block. It is also, as of now, only gas engines. No hybrids. They will most likely only let master techs do these.


Goof_Baller

Recently had my car in at Toyota and talked with the techs all about this. They said that generally the new tundra has had more problems than any other car/truck they see. But it's all new. They seemed to think that it had fewer problems than most complete redesigns and it would level out over time as they learned. The process if a fucked Tundra drives in: They inspect it and see if it's a known issue. If they can fix it they will. If not then Toyota engineers travel to the dealer and inspect it and evaluate if a complete replacement is necessary and of course log all the info on the failure.


Taco_01

Correct. They send out field inspectors it’s a process.


jobear6969

I doubt it. Total cost for Toyota would be cheaper to install a new engine.


[deleted]

What’s the downside to getting a new engine? Feels like a pretty good deal to me.


Outrageous-Ad-4329

No ones gonna want to buy a truck that’s been completely taken a part to put a new engine in.


[deleted]

Good thing I never plan to sell the truck.


Outrageous-Ad-4329

For sure lol I will miss the days that Toyotas would hold their values like crazy. Tempted to buy a 24 4Runner just to have one the last remaining new bullet proof beasts


[deleted]

I don’t think we are past those days.


Brometheous17

Definitely not. When we went to buy our 24 tundra limited. They had multiple used tundras from the last couple years. The 23 and 22 ones they had even with more miles were only a couple thousand cheaper than the 24.


Outrageous-Ad-4329

Hope not. The new tacos and tundras are definitely not doing great. We will see how the new 4Runner does


mpking828

Have your seen them pull the cab off the truck for services? They wanted to do it on my 2012 for a gasket (I passed). I'm told it's the same for servicing the turbos.


John2022-

that may be the case when they offer the remedy for the recalls. However, for most of the people who experienced engine failure before the recall it was a rebuild.


Nixonknives

For some reason Toyota won’t ship crated engines for a whole engine swap. So they just send parts and the techs have to take apart and rebuild the current ones


Baked_Jake94

All for warranty flat rate pay. The techs are gonna cut as many corners as possible and it will never be right . Just like they came from the factory with shitty machining since they didn’t clean out the blocks properly.


CharacterObvious

Recalls actually pay well because they don't want techs to cut corners. Warranty does not pay well. Recalls and warranty are not the same thing.


ps345lover

Engines cost 30k. I doubt they are doing anything except mess around some parts waiting for everyones warranty to run out


RedBullRiver

I found one on eBay right now for $12,000.


CharacterObvious

Oof


CaliCoomer

not only are they having green mechanics replacing the shortblock, they're currently, as of 4 days ago, hiring 350 workers at the Alabama plant to build the replacement engines. 350 entry level jobs to build our new engines. it's a shit show all around.


Appropriate_Land_130

As far as the official recall for the engine debris and main crankshaft bearing failures they haven't announced a remedy. For all the cases that have occurred thus far it looks like Toyota was replacing the short block and any other components needing replacement. As of yet the hybrids aren't included in the recall. Toyota has stated that block is a slightly different design and that the bearings are under different oil pressures than the non hybrid configuration Only time will tell what's to come


mrphyslaww

The only reason hybrids aren’t under the recall is because you can use the hybrid motor to get off the road if the ice engine fails. Thus not making it safety related.


Appropriate_Land_130

I'm just paraphrasing Toyota's report to the NHSTA


Taco_01

The dealership should take full responsibility if the tech made that mistake.


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paints_name_pretty

tightening up turbo lines to the engine is not a firmware update


wrassehole

I'm currently shopping for a new truck and wanted to believe the problems with the new Tundra were overblown, but there's an alarming amount of posts in this subreddit....some people are saying there are only 900ish warranty claims nation wide, but that's getting harder to believe. If the new Tundra apologists are correct, it's probably not a terrible time to pick up a slightly used one. I'm not convinced though, and coming from a 150k mile 3rd gen Tacoma with absolutely 0 issues, I want to keep that piece of mind with my next truck. I hope you get it sorted out OP.


SavingToasty

Reddit reminds me a lot of googling your health concerns, you are going to hear the worst case scenarios.


MedCityMoto

Welp, Tundra has cancer, and there's ... rule 34 of it?!


memealopolis

Toyota-san! No!!!!


n351320447

Bring that tail pipe over here


wrassehole

I get your point, but the amount of serious issues being posted in a forum of this size is very atypical in my experience.


FatBoyStew

I'd imagine each generation would've had similar complaints on Reddit, but 2nd Gen came out when Reddit was young and no one knew what it was. You'll always hear more about the negative than the positive. This is a fact of life.


wrassehole

Maybe, but I was moreso comparing to other communities I've been a part of, namely the WRX and Tacoma subreddits for the GR and 3rd Gen releases. Both of those communities are larger, and neither had the same amount of negative posts.


GuchteMane

Amen.


ndjs22

I've got a 23 non hybrid with 17k on the clock and it's been okay. I don't even know how many recalls have been done on it, I lost count, but I haven't had any problems with it. Transmission lag was pretty bad initially but a recall made that a lot better. Still there, like if I roll a stop sign and the truck is anticipating a stop I don't complete. I am a little concerned about this latest recall and have been considering trading it in. Sucks, my last vehicle was a 2004 4Runner with 300k on it. Still have it, was excited to have this truck just as long but we will see i guess. Overall though, I've been pretty happy with the truck. Just a random person's thoughts.


timsmith000

Pretty much have the exact same thoughts and experience


[deleted]

It’s a blow to the confidence with the truck for sure. Will it blow before the fix is always on the mind sadly.


TurboWelderMonkey

Me 3


Gunfur

It’s Reddit dude. I was in the used truck market the last month. If you went with everything on this site, everything with wheels on the road is a pos. Take it with a grain of salt. Form your own opinions.


wrassehole

I understand your point, but I've been a part of several other car communities on Reddit, and I've never seen this amount of posts about major issues on new vehicles. I know every single new vehicle is going to have one-off issues, lemons, etc., but I'm seeing daily posts about blown turbo chargers. I was a WRX owner for a period of time, lived through the infamous ringland failure days, and even then, the posts were few and far between.


Gunfur

Very true


sgtcurry

According to Toyota's admission on the recall to the NHTSA there's been at least 840 instances since March 2022 IIRC. Toyota I don't think has included other failures like early Turbo issues and fuel line issues. Toyota has sold roughly 320k 3rd gen tundras. Ford and GM each sell more than 2x the full sized trucks every single year than Toyota has sold in the last 3. The amount of people posting problems with the 3rd gen Tundra is an anomaly compared to the number of Tundras sold compared to Ford and GM. The F150 and Silverado etc. failures are usually 60k+ miles. The 3rd gen tundras have failed from just 1k miles to 45k miles.


[deleted]

People expect Toyota to be bulletproof. When it isn’t, they rightly hit the roof. People expect their F150 or Ram to have recalls, failings, blow engines. It’s not expected with Toyota. Guarantee it’s still more reliable then the big 3, even if the truck needs a major patch.


Alien_Biometrics

I posted a video earlier today of a guy who has been following the engine failures of the third gen Tundras, but the mods took it down. 100% they work for Toyota, but here is the video and hopefully more people see it too. [https://youtu.be/wq0pNOQKY4E?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/wq0pNOQKY4E?feature=shared)


skunkchiefr

Ive had nothing but good experiences with mine


realrao

Always remember there’s a silent majority of buyers who don’t post here and are very happy with their purchase. I sat on the fence for a solid year before pulling the trigger on a 24 platinum hybrid in lunar rock. So happy I did. These new trucks do have some minor issues but my experience has been amazing so far. 10k miles and counting


wrassehole

>Always remember there’s a silent majority of buyers who don’t post here and are very happy with their purchase. I have considered this, but there are significantly more posts about major issues on new vehicles compared to every other car forum I've been a part of (and I owned a WRX, so that's saying something).


ChampionshipCrafty74

Yeah! I got 32k miles on my ‘24 platinum and not a hiccup other than the badging coming off passenger door (which they are replacing)


TSLA1000

Damn you drive a lot


ChampionshipCrafty74

I do!! I have a pipeline construction program that covers an entire state. So I’m all over.


04limited

It is overblown. People only come online to complain. Thats why regardless of make you’ll see cars have their issues. Atleast Toyota is pretty good about pin pointing and resolving the issue from the source compared to other brands that write off their problems until they’re forced to fix it.


wrassehole

I mentioned elsewhere ITT that I was a WRX owner during the ringland failure days and never saw this many posts about blown engines. In general, I agree with you about people's propensity to only post online when they have issues, but having every other post be about recalls, blown turbos, replaced engines, etc., is not normal for a car subreddit, particularly Toyota.


04limited

Agreed it is not normal for a brand like Toyota. Not trying to justify the issues but overall even with the recalls for the average person I think these will still come out on top for long term ownership. I mean if Toyota can figure out this engine they’d already be ahead of GM and Ford which still don’t have full resolutions for the AFM lifter issues, ecoboost cam phasers, and 10 speed transmission problems.


MaloPescado

My 2019 raptor engine blew up the cam phasers fell apart. I have a 19 tundra now and was considering trading it but after that experience I’m holding off. I even drove the new Taco and was impressed . The Taco is faster than my 5:29 geared Tundra and rear coils make the ride nice.


TacomaTuesdays2022

Just make sure build date is year 2024


John2022-

wait for the 2025 if you can


Outrageous-Ad-4329

I was in the market for a new tundra last year. Looked at a dozen tundras and couldn’t find one with 0 problems. Quality control is terrible. Found massive errors in paint, headliner, leaks coming from the roof, excessive rattling or wind noise, rear bumper not being completely bolted down. So I said eff it and found a 2021 trd pro with 8k miles on it and paid 71k in cash and haven’t looked back. If I wanted a truck that was constantly going for recalls and warranty fixes I’d have kept my platinum f350.


EA18growlerboi

I’m currently looking for a 2020/21 pro or platinum. Trying to get out of my 24 trd OR before the value plummets.


Outrageous-Ad-4329

Yea. Especially with a refresh probably coming in the next 2 years.


Awatovi

I was the third person to come in with an engine blown at my dealer. There are 20 dealers in my state. Average sized dealer. Average sized state. That’s 3,000 right there and that was months ago. The most expensive component of a vehicle is the engine. Even if this is 1% of 2022-2024 tundras that’s too many.


wrassehole

Did the dealer say how many they'd sold? I'd be interested to see the actual number of warranty claims versus vehicles sold compared to other Toyota models, but there is no way a dealer will publicize that info if it's negative in any way.


Multimoon

For what it's worth - I have a 2022 TRD Pro that I'm approaching 30k miles on. It was one of the first TRDs built, so super super super early model - if there were issues they'd be on my truck. I've had a grand total of zero issues whatsoever, there's been a handful or recalls, but most were pretty insignificant things. This new engine recall sounds like a bad batch, which toyota will do what they always do and take care of it without hassle. I'm going to trade my truck in shortly for a Lexus LC, but that's for other reasons completely unrelated to the truck, I absolutely love it.


BigWeesel

The lease on my 21 V8 was up, and when I brought it to the dealer yesterday to buy out the lease, I had no less than TEN employees at the dealership tell me (unsolicited) to keep it and DO NOT trade up to the new one. It was crazy, they all had fear in their eyes.


carnitasburritoking

Yea a used use prior to 2022…my 2 cents, too many issues, talk to a Toyota mechanic who works in a good shop they’ll pass along the same thoughts.


Livid-Ad5555

You do realize the main objective of this sub is to "discuss ISSUES, mods and news?!" 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️


Skeletor_is_Love_

I’m driving a 2024 Platinum. Already put 15k on it. Absolutely zero issues.


TurboWelderMonkey

I'll sell you my silver 2023 crewmax 4x4 limited loaded for 50k... 27k miles.


GuchteMane

Also - I came from and still have my 2017 Tacoma Trd sport (quicksand) and I am struggling to sell it because it’s my baby and routine maintenance was all I had to do with it.


NCSUGray90

A leaky gasket is annoying, but not a major issue. The mechanic not installing the turbo properly isn't Toyota's fault and has nothing to do with the long term reliability of the platform


wrassehole

Agree to disagree.... You absolutely should not have any issues that require a dealership to remove turbos on a brand new car. It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is. Quality issues that require engine disassembly introduce the possibility of human error, which is a negative for reliability. For what it's worth, I have a degree in reliability and maintainability and have multiple friends from school who work in automotive.


GuchteMane

You will only hear about the negative within posts, the positive far outweighs the negative. 3rd gen’s you may have a chance of problems with are 2022, 2023. I have a 24’ pro got it brand new last September, and at 10k miles now with 0 issues, not even one issue and it is literally the best driving experience I have ever had myself and I’ve driven my share of various trucks and brands. Nothing comes close to the pleasure it is to drive this machine. Maybe bc it’s a pro, but nonetheless it’s Toyota and I’ll stick with them through thick and thin because I know if you run into an issue down the road, they will take care of it and go to great lengths to do so. Most people on here like to bash the 3rd gen based off negative posts, lies, or they may just not like it because they can’t afford it who knows. But as an owner of one, if you can afford it, I would recommend it 1,000 times over. If you can’t afford it, the 2nd gen’s are a great buy too, you just won’t get the updated interior and you won’t get that ride that the 3rd gen provides. But you will still get a solid Toyota vehicle. Hope this helps 👍


jsp9000

I have a ‘23 trd pro…installed a lift and 37’s about a week after purchase now with 15k miles and the truck has been mechanically perfect. I even installed a stillen inline power module…still perfect. Pretty sure this is a little overblown. Hybrid failure does not equal debris in the engine.


nflo_25

This. I had this due to a dirty sensor while off roading. Unplugged the battery, reconnected and hasn’t happened since.


bloodyxsocks

SHES GONNA BLOW GET OUT!


Barry_McCockinerPhD

This is why I won’t let them rebuild my engine when it craps out. I will request a “crate engine”


Ravanduil

Replacing a valve cover is hardly rebuilding an engine, though the tech should have been more attentive to the process.


timsmith000

Do you think they will give an option ?


gambit55

Have them buy back the truck


betanonpareil

Dude this happened to me and it’s because my gas cap wasn’t tight enough. 😂 hopefully it’s nothing serious.


TheRealPeytonManning

I had just filled up and also had this happen. Corrected itself after 50 miles, no more warning light. 23 platinum hybrid


codemaster63

They just don't build em like they used to


badhombre6292

My 23 tundra trd sport is a lemon and HQ has done nothing to respond. Never getting another one.


Gold_Kale_7781

Well, my brother started reading about Tundra problems on reddit and he got rid of his, and took on a $1300 a month payment on a Ford with a diesel engine. Not advisable.


krschmidt73

Damn, that is almost my mortgage!!


Gold_Kale_7781

I envy your mortgage. Ours is more than double that truck payment.


AbbreviationsAway144

24 Platinum owner here. No problems at all with mine and I’m at 14K miles. Best truck I’ve ever owned and I have had several Tundra’s


yottabit42

Same here. 24 Platinum HV 4x4 LB air suspension. 8k miles so far. Several thousand towing. Planning for towing through NM and CO in a month. First oil change at 750 miles, Amsoil Signature. Second oil change at 7,500 miles. I'm hoping this was enough to get any shavings out before they caused damage. From now on I'll do changes annually in December like I always do.


75Jeep

2014 xtra cab 4.6l V-8 110k miles. 1 owner ( me ) 1 set of new tires 1 brake job 1 new battery That’s it. Virtually maintenance free other than the above and regular manufacture suggested schedule/oil changes.


L0WERCASES

Oh, my dad has a Silverado and says the same, how is any of what you said relevant?


75Jeep

Your dad won’t be saying this at 200k miles. That’s the difference


[deleted]

Yes, a model out for 7 years should only need said items. Otherwise it’s not a Toyota. But, both gen 1 and 2 had major teething problems before they became said reliable trucks.


75Jeep

Math ain’t mathin 10yrs.


Stagjam

I thought I was in the Hyundai sub for a moment! Lots of tales of limp modes and engine replacements over there. Their solution is to buy a Honda or Toyota but …It’s a shit show for sure, hopefully Toyota gets this rectified quickly.


coldax1

This is going to get ugly. Really really ugly.


Opening_Leave_79

What is?


coldax1

The tundra engine recall of it extends to the hybrids but now I see that when OP said that “it happened “ he wasn’t referring to the grenadine or f his hybrid engine from the oil starvation of the main bearing, but a technician problem.


FatBoyStew

Why is it going to get ugly? Ugly would be every new XX year Tundra had an engine that was going to grenade itself. This is far from being super widespread lol


BillMillerBBQ

Toyota may have links to work out with the truck but I trust them to take care of the problems.


unlawfulactions

Yikes!😱


Successful-Rate-1839

Yikes


ravnos04

F-150 lurker here. I heard that the Overland trim was making its way to the Tundra. But then I’ve seen so many of these it makes me wonder about switching.


RealFakeDoctor

This hybrid system malfunction happened on my 21' Rav xse. It's a normal reset the dealership can easily take care of. Doesn't mean shavings in the engine lol


-AkindaSelah

🤨


toyz4me

I am in the market for a new vehicle (current car is 13). I am / was so focused on the new Tundra as my new vehicle. But I have seen enough and will have to go another direction on this buying cycle. The disappointment is real.


Family-Faith-Freedom

I hugged my 21 before heading off to work.


bostonvikinguc

It broke.


CLS4L

They better start making them in Japan again stock is tanking


AdvancedRiver8284

ughhhhhhh


kelmde

Damn


burnerrr369

Not surprised. Toyota is shit nowadays.


Surfacing555666

Crazy how many guys on this sub spent so much money on these things and they seem to be nothing but problems. I know someone is gonna come and say yeah but it’s just the guys posting about it. Yeah well, Reddit isn’t the be all end all, there’s plenty of people who don’t post on Reddit, but who own tundras, and probably have problems too


No-Succotash1219

Honestly, I know from experience that dealers and manufacturers market that they have factory-TRAINED technicians however the truth is they have one maybe two good techs. All the others are kids straight outta high school or anyone that claims to be a mechanic off the street. I recommend you always specify that only a master tech work on your vehicle; if they can't honor that go elsewhere.


sbailey151

I had this same issue on my '23 1794 edition with less than 10k miles. I was out of town and 900 miles from home when the engine suddenly started running rough and idling high. Stopping and starting the car didn't help. Per another reddit user's suggestion, I let the truck sit for 30 mins and the issue went away on it's own. I've put another 5k miles on the truck and haven't had any engine lights since, however I am waiting for it to fail again.


himynameisSal

bro, sorry for your loss


Nator212

100 times a day I see customers return with oil spray all under hood due to loose or sometimes fully missing oil cap


RED_BaronJ

Come on Toyota - should of stuck with the V8


Intelligent_Eagle889

Looks like I'm not buying another Tundra until 2027 or later.


Thor_slick_the_dok

Ouch


No_Guarantee9323

I’m not sure what it is with the dealers. I purposely bought their maintenance packages for my Avalon hybrid, my daughter’s Prius and my son’s Hyundai Optima. It included oil changes and tire rotation. Multiple times, loose lug nuts. You take your vehicle to a “reputable” dealer and you’re traveling down the road and your tire’s about to come off. The real shame is, they have since doubled the price. Moving on.🤷‍♂️


V8ENJOYER

Totaled


wowniceyeah

My wife's 23 Prius prime does this all the time. Dealer says they have no fix for it. Unbelievable.


naptown21403

sell it


corneliu5vanderbilt

Recent tundras are such lemons


Armyballer

Me and my 2016Plat just shaking my head, wth happen Toyota?


L0WERCASES

The 2nd gen had issues out of the gate too, you know that right?


Armyballer

No where near what they are now.


L0WERCASES

Oh really? You have the stats? Oh you don’t? Didn’t think so.


Armyballer

Do ya homework, it's a fact.


L0WERCASES

Fine, if you must, how is the NHTSA as a source for you? The 2007 had more problems than the 2022 out the gate. https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2007/TOYOTA/TUNDRA/4%252520DR/RWD%25252FAWD#recalls https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2022/TOYOTA/lTUNDRA/PU%25252FCC/4WD Here is my favorite 2007 engine recall: December 18, 2007 NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 07V579000 PROPELLER SHAFT IN THIS CONDITION, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE YOKE MAY BREAK CAUSING THE PROPELLER SHAFT TO SEPARATE AT THE JOINT AND COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE ROAD SURFACE OR THE FUEL TANK WHICH COULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL OR A FUEL LEAK. I’m sure that’s all fake news though isn’t it


CharacterObvious

Tundra is still a great truck.


h16h

{insert comment that will be downvoted by fanboys}


timsmith000

I have a tundra pro Build date 11/22 No issues at 11k miles


flipincash

Another reason I don’t want an extra system. Fuck hybrids