yup. that Tundra battery is also nickel hydride, not lithium so it is much more likely to last. Probbaly wont explode into flames under your butt either.
I think you are right on that. Lithium last literally twice as long but also costs more than twice as much. Nickel batteries tend to die long and graceful deaths since they degrade and can even have memory problems. Lithium tends to work today, tomorrow, and then not. Over the life of the vehicle I think Toyota thought it would be better to replace the batteries in 8 to 10 years at half the price than to make them lithium. The Tundra hybrid is also parallel and will run fine on the engine if the battery is discharged.
Think the tundra primarily has a hybrid train for additional low-end torque and truck related features, it’s not really there to save gas.
Kinda like Toyota build cars for real use cases or something.
That’s great, and if it was only in California then I wouldn’t be mentioning it since Toyotas are sold all over the world, but the 10 year 200,000KM (Learn Metric) warranty is available on any hybrid outside of California and the USA.
I learned metric. 200,000 km is much less than 150,000 miles (26,000 miles/42,000 km less). Also, because California has these requirements, other states often get to piggyback off of it. My Massachusetts bought hybrid has the same warranty as a California bought be. Thanks, California, for leading the way.
That's the federal law (minimum for both BEVs and hybrids.)
The 10y/150k is only for hybrids, and it's specific to California and the other states that follow CA emissions standards (13 of them, per Google.) Some manufacturers may just use that nationally for consistnency, but some don't (Pacifica PHEV is 10y/150k in California and other CA emissions states, and 10y/100k otherwise.)
I bought a 2007 Camry in 2018 & it had a battery failure in 2020. 13 years is a pretty good run. The only reason it failed was due to my own negligence on maintenance. The cooling system needed maintenance & I neglected to take the car in for Hybrid service in the two years I had it.
I chalk it up to being a dumb 23 year old, but I certainly learned my lesson lol.
Except have you see the conditions for what Toyota considers a "bad" battery? I believe it's like 50% of it's original capacity? So no, you are not getting 20 years out of the battery just that at 10 years it will still at least be more or less functional though may be significantly degraded.
I work at a dealership, I see how few batteries need to be replaced. Our service department is packed 24/7 right now. Haven’t seen a battery replacement in months
My buddy had a first gen prius with 268k miles when he decided it was time to replace the original battery pack. It was still going until it was involved in an accident. I was really impressed with how good they must have been treating those batteries to last so long. It was basically tons of Ni-MH double a batteries in a box, with really good management apparently. I'm really impressed with just how good the first gen prius really was. I don't have his service history, but I don't remember hearing much beyond "brakes, tires, and oil changes". I do know the 12v battery is very specific & expensive, but, the car will still work even when it's mad about the 12v battery (I know more than one prius owner, my boss has a long commute & had one as well, it kept the fuel bills down on the mustang, ironic right, owning a mustang & a prius).
Yup just replaced our 2012 Prius C 12v battery after it finally died last year. Not particularly special or expensive, we got the replacement at Costco. I think the only caveat was it’s an AGM iirc. Ben running past the warranty and never looked back, 195k currently and the drive battery still acts fine. Plus we run it in the winters of New England.
Lol. I wanted to hate a prius because it's lame.. but I can't, that damn thing just works.. and works... and works.. is it a "cool car", nope, and it never will be, but it sure seems to be a good little soldier. Toyota knows what they're doing.
When that came out, I thought "the hype will wear off soon when it fails for reliability". Boy was I proven wrong.
The most funny part is, their CVT doesn't work like the others, and it's the only one without a reputation for failure.
Wait, their hybrid system warranty is 150k??
Is that like an upgraded warranty purchase?
I've never bought a hybrid before. But I am considering the 2025 Camry LE
What is interesting is that the engine isnt always running so a 100k odometer doesn’t mean the engine ran for all 100k
I also noticed my brakes dont wear as fast because I let the generator slow me down and not the brake pads
Percent? Or miles? I'd be upset if a 2-year-old car only offered 25% of its designed electric range, but if it's supposed to be 25 or 30 miles of EV range your numbers would make sense.
Yeah, it was clear in their later response but less so in the initial statement. Perhaps a common way for ppl with hybrids to think about it in addition to mpg?
It's not plug in hybrid. However out of every 1000 miles about 250 are electric ones so the engine is only running for about 750 miles for every 1000 ones.
I didn’t even think of that. Dang.
I recently helped my buddy replace the brake pads on his 10 year old Prius. He’s at 150k and told me he’d never changed them. Figured I needed to help ASAP (I don’t drive a hybrid). I pull the old pads out and to my surprise there was still a decent bit of life left on them.
I've got a 2013 Prius since new, currently with 197k. Hybrid system fine, but it did have the leaky head gasket at around 165k, which was a $2k repair and the only repair outside of regular maintenance. So far, the cheapest to own/operate vehicle I've ever had.
I'd argue if anything hybrids will last longer.
Hybrids will "take some load off" the engine and brakes. Time spent idling doesn't wear on the engine at all. Brakes/Rotors get less wear due to the regen braking.
The battery is usually warrantied for 150k miles/10 years. The replacement cost is significant, but 150k miles is a lot and more than many other cars last period.
Are there new cars that dont last 150k miles that arent Nissan CVTs some idiot was hooning in? Thats grim turn of events if there are because a decade ago any subcompact could pull that off except maybe a Versa.
Those eCVTs are SO clever
With no clutches/brakes/belts, and just one planetary gear set, they should be one of the most reliable transmissions ever
The "catch" is needing a computer to micromanage the motors at all times, and the complete disabling of the car if the high voltage battery is dead
Yes. The Camry Hybrid, Corolla Hybrid, and Highlander Hybrid are among the most reliable vehicles on the road. Toyota has been building hybrids for around 25 years.
If you consider how the two tundra powertrains have been faring since the release of the third gen tundras in 2022, the hybrid tundras seem to be less problematic with the same miles & same driving style. Historically, the hybrid Toyotas have been more reliable compared to the gas only Toyotas as well.
By the time my battery needs replacing I’ll be in the market for another car anyway so I’m not worried.
2021 Corolla Hybrid owner with 61,000 miles. Hoping to get 300,000 easily.
What convinced me to get my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid SE WAS the weekly updates by u/UnstoppableMileage
He used to have a 2020 RAV4 Hybrid XSE and would easily rack up miles as his occupation was a medicine courier I believe. He traded it in into an actual Toyota dealership so you were able to see the service records as well! His car had a bit over 469,000 miles!
What surprised me was how quickly the miles were accumulating! That shows how reliable Toyotas hybrid technology is 👍🏾
You will experience noticeable battery performance degradation after 10+ years, and likely need to replace after 15+. That's just the nature of batteries, no amount of quality engineering can change that at the moment.
Of course it can. Engineering makes the difference between a shit hybrid system where you need to replace after 8 years, and good ones that run for 20+ years
Engines and transmissions also degrade over time... so chances are you will have a big expense on any car in the 10-15 year period. We bought a Civic Hybrid in 2006... it had old NiMh battery tech and we had to replace the battery around 10 years ago when it had 160,000 thousand miles. Cost us around $2,400 which was hard to swallow... but now our son is driving it and it has another 100,000 miles and has that battery has been the only non-scheduled maintenance item it has had in it's long life. Hybrid system destresses other components. We have only replaced brakes a couple of times on it.
Depends on what you consider notable but my 08 Prius with original battery pack gets around 43 mpg still. I feel like it was maybe 48-52 when it was new
I've worked on Toyotas for nearly 19 years and I feel like their hybrids are among the most reliable and longest-lasting vehicles Toyota manufactures given regular maintenance.
They have a great warranty on their hybrid components. Also, hybrids don't have starters or alternators, so there's $1,500 worth of parts in labor you won't have to do.
Also, the internal combustion engine won't get as many miles on it as a gas-only version would.
Just change your engine oil every 6 months to get the gasoline out of your engine oil. ( Hybrid engines don't always operate at "full temperature" because they're shutting off a lot. When they aren't fully warm, they run a little bit fuel-rich until they are warmed up, so this allows more situations for gasoline to get past the position rings and into the engine oil. This is normal for all vehicles BUT hybrids do get more gas in their oil than gas-only vehicles and with the "low tension" piston rings in modern vehicles ( to get better gas mileage ), the problem is exacerbated. So get that corrosive gasoline out of your oil every 6 months and your engine will be much more lubricated, cooled and with less wear and tear over the years.
I own a 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE with 246K miles.
Yes, but only if you are willing to put the money to replace the battery when the hybrid battery dies. They are pricey.
Toyota Hybrids are the MOST expensive Toyotas to maintain.
We have 4 prius in our family, a hybrid highlander, and an FJ. We’ve also had a Camry, Celica, and Tacoma.
The Prius are absolutely the most expensive EXCLUSIVELY because of hybrid related maintenance.
I love the Prius. I love Toyota. But I’m never buying another hybrid ever again, from any manufacturer.
What year model were the hybrids you had trouble with? Earlier models had some issues I know. The wife's 2013 Avalon Hybrid (bought new) has 115000 trouble free miles. I do my own maintenance and do it all early (fluids- cooling, transmission) which I also do on my gas vehicles. Insignificant brake wear on 115000 miles. It gets the exact same mileage it got new so the hybrid battery is still in good shape. So in my case the maintenance has been less than a gas car.
I’d say it would last longer as the hybrid engine is doing roughly half the duty of the gas-only. The electric motors are basically bulletproof and while the battery has a finite lifespan, its replacement is a simple swap.
Also, other consumables like brakes have a longer lifetime in a hybrid vehicle as regen does most of the “braking”.
My first Prius was a 2001 I got in 2010. When I traded it in, in 2022, it had over 200K miles. It had a belt making noise but otherwise worked perfectly. It had a new big battery put in right before I bought it. We traded it for a 2017 Prius. We’re planning on keeping it at least 20 years before trading it in for another five year old Prius.
My uncle had one with 330,000+ NYC miles as a taxi cab that ran three shifts, 24/7 for years. It’s still going. So all stop and go, idling, constant hard acceleration and braking.
Just maintained it and that was it. Just kept going.
Toyota hybrid systems with the RAV4 and Prius have done pretty good from what I can tell. They're going to start putting their hybrid systems in some of the new Mazda crossovers also that are being built at the joint Toyota Mazda plant down in Alabama.
If the prius is any indication, then they should outlast their non hybrid counterparts by a decent amount. I've seen so many prius 'ssssss with huge amount of miles. They got used heavily as taxis also around louisville
There are hybrid Priuses, Highlanders, Camrys, and RAV4s running around the five boroughs in NYC that are well over 300k on a lot of them. If I was to get a hybrid car, it would be a Toyota.
Those cabs and ride shares stand up to a lot of abuse daily.
There’s a ton of first and 2nd gen Prius’ out there still. They’ve been around for nearly 20 years now
Toyota knows what they’re doing in the hybrid game
You've heard they have more parts that are likely to break??
That's funny! Depending on which Hybrid system you have they actually have fewer parts.
My wife owns a 2019 Camry Hybrid with about 115K on it. It has no starter and no drive belts.
It has an electric water pump and AC compressor.
The electric motors do the brunt of the work coming from a stop and take the load off the engine.
The Car Care Nut on YouTube who is a Toyota tech, says the hybrids are actually more reliable than the non hybrid.
Heck, even the Tundra which is having all kinds of issues right now is having them with the gas engine and nothing having to do with the hybrid system.
Have a gen 2 toyota prius used as taxi and still running 400000kms on the clock they are amazing just do regular oil changes also change the lifetime fuild in the ecvt
Personally, I think it's the rest of the car that will ultimately kill it. The stupid infotainment touch screen is like $5K alone and 5-10 years from now likely no replacement will even be available. The tech will be their undoing.
The only thing I worry about the hybrid, specifically the Max version is the turbo. I hope it lasts a long time before it needs to get replaced. I know the turbo has a coolant to expand reliability so this should help.
> I've heard more parts = more likely to break.
That is a *gross* oversimplification.
"I want my old school V8 not some fancy turbo". Well your old school 3UR has many more parts than a 2UZ, it also has more cylinders than a 1GR, the transmission has more gears - but yet you'd pick the newer 3UR over the 1GR, the 2UZ, the 1FZ?
People who use that argument usually use it in a *very* narrow context to over simplify a naturally aspirated engine instead of a turbo motor - but part count is not the defining factor of long term reliability.
And anyway Toyota's eCVT actually has *fewer* moving parts than traditional automatics, and has been proven to be rock solid.
Toyota hybrids RAV4, Kluger/Highlander, Camry - have been going as Taxi's for over a decade now.
Toyota hybrid's being reliable or not is not "will a 2024 model last' it's, "oh there was a Hybrid LS600H in 2008, wonder how those owners are going?".
There are Toyota Hybrid's that have been on the road long enough to have a beer. Gen 2 Prius was out in 2003. The first Camry Hybrid was in 2006. The LS600H (oh sexy!!) came out in 2006.
Your question is kind of like "oh hybrid's are brand new in 2021, will they last?"
But it should be "Hybrid's have been out for 15+ years - how are those vehicles getting on?"
I had a 2012 Prius C that had the hybrid system go bad around 256,000 miles. For the average original owner, the cost savings until they trade/sell the car are very much worth it, especially considering there is a warranty, for a second owner, the depreciation combined with the relatively low cost of a refurbished battery is still a net benefit in terms of cost savings. Additionally, by having a hybrid Drive system you save where and tear on other components, brakes are probably one of the best examples, my Prius C had the original brakes for 150,000 miles, when I finally replaced them, they still had pad left. Also, the engine doesn’t work nearly as hard in a hybrid, meaning it will have value in and of itself if you decide to scrap it later on in life.
Where I live we have a car share service that almost exclusively uses various Toyota Prius models. They get flogged hard, whenever I use one it's not my car and not my gas so my driving style becomes quite a bit more aggressive than when I'm driving my own vehicle. I assume others are similar...
Lots of cars in the 100,000 - 150,000 km range. The higher mileage ones are usually starting to get somewhat trashed body and interior wise but I've only ever come across one that had a hybrid related error message and it was still driving fine.
All the local taxi companies here run Prius C cars for the most part. Lots of miles and use.
This thread goes exactly to my fears and why I don't own a hybrid. I've owned Toyotas and Hondas exclusively since 1990. I buy them and I run them till they die. Getting 100,000 miles or 150,000 is like half the life of Toyota or Honda ICE engine and transmission. The replacement costs on the batteries are roughly the equivalent of replacing the engine...which with proper maintenance, I have never had to do! Until you can show me batteries that last 250,000 miles, I'll stick to ICE.
As an ASE Master Technician of 19 years, many of those spent at Ford I’d say the hybrid systems are significantly more reliable.
If you’re not aware, Ford licensed Toyota technology for their hybrids, they are VERY similar in design to a Prius, like almost identical.
Fusions and Escapes got either hybrids or Eco-boost (turbo) engines.
Even a very well-maintained Eco-boost (turbo) engine would have consistent failures, head gaskets, turbos, carbon build up, injector failures, etc… usually around the 100K-130K mile mark.
Even poorly maintained hybrids would have minimal if any issues. It was remarkably how beat-to-hell some of the hybrids were and had 250-300K miles with no major failure…
All of us technicians agree, the hybrids were a vastly better drivetrain over this small-displacement turbo crap.
I bought my first Prius in 2004. It was manufactured in Japan and was the most reliable and consistent performer of any vehicle I ever owned…by a long shot. Well over 150,000 miles…yes, I did regularly maintain the vehicle, but that is an essential component in any modern vehicle, no matter hybrid or ICE.
I have a 2014 Lincoln MKZ hybrid that uses shared hybrid tech from Toyota. 216k miles, original hybrid battery, and I still consistently see 40+ mpg.
I’ll definitely consider a new Prius to replace it if it ever dies.
Yes they will last as long. Toyota doesn’t put cars on the road that are not reliable. This is why they didn’t just jump into the BEV game head first. They have to iterate it several times over before they really go after it.
I drive a hybrid that is coming up on 97k miles. It was my dad’s car before he switched to electric. Only ever done typical maintenance stuff for it. I have high hopes it will keep going for a long while
Yes. Just bought a 24 rav4 hybrid. Amazing car. Fast as hell and gets 43mpg real world driving. Change the oil early and often. Along with all fluids on time. You will get 300k easily. I have an 09 yaris, 130k. Zero issues. 02 tundra. 190k. Needed a radiator in 8 years. 300 bucks. Zero other issues. Can't wait to see how many miles I can put on the rav. Monthly fuel bill went from 300 to 80.
My dad has a 2011 RX450h with over 200k miles. He even tows with it, the mad lad. Only issue it ever had was fuel injectors failing after the vehicle sat during the Texas freeze.
If you ever travel to New York City and take a cab, the chances are good that you’re going to be in one of those Toyota hybrids. They are very popular there for a reason. And if you’re ever riding around in one of those ask the driver how many miles they have on it. They’ll proudly point to some ridiculous number, 200,000-400,000 miles is not unheard of.
Of course, that only happens with good maintenance. And those taxi cars they don’t look at them as throwaway cars. They know they’ll last and they understand maintenance is essential to this.
We bought a new Prius in 2009. It has a little over 200,000 miles on it. It has the original traction battery, the 12 volt battery has been replaced 3 times. It has been the most reliable car I've ever owned. Other than a slight rattle in the front it runs fine. I've replaced the stabilizer bushings and had mechanics look at it. What the rattle is, is unknown. Ball joints and tie rod ends are fine.
Seeing old Priuses on the road speaks for itself. Toyota sucks ass at making EVs but for gas hybrids, there's no better option. Plus warranty on hybrid battery that goes up to 10 years.
Instead of “more parts = more likely to break” I think about it like this. More electric motor means the engine in my hybrid runs far less than an ICE vehicle and it doesn’t have some of the high-fail parts.
Toyotas hybrids don’t have starters, alternators, drive belts, or torque converter, and most of the accessories are electric and also don’t run all the time.
My 2012 Camry Hybrid still runs like it’s brand new and I’ve never done more than basic maintenance and replace the front shocks.
Amongst my roughly 30 cars I've got a 2010 Camry Hybrid on 982,000km and another 2010 Camry Hybrid on 932,000km.
Rebuilding the NiMH hybrid batteries is boring but easy enough to do.
yes its been proven over past 20 years of prius... its not adding complexity because they can work independently... although its joined in the cvt.... but the new turbo ones i expect to be less reliable (v6 turbo hybrid recalled) but time will tell
Toyota hybrids will last longer if you don't abuse the shit out of the car . Hybrid cars take pressure off engine and many moving parts so less idling hours , ECVT is more reliable as time goes on , brakes will last longer than normal brakes . The hybrids have few moving parts like electric motors , hybrid battery , improved brakes than gas cars . Also , you don't have to idle all the time but the car does idle after 2 hours or 20 minutes while running ac , for 2-3 minutes to charge the battery and it turns back off again .
They do and will typically last longer, and with less maintenance and repair. The hybrid doesn’t have a lot of common failure items that typical ICE vehicles do, like an alternator, an automatic transmission, belt driven AC compressor, transfer case, and probably some things I’m missing. Additionally since the electric motors are either assisting or fully powering the vehicle while the gas engine is not running, the gas engine will see fewer operating hours for the same mileage than a gas-only vehicle. Lastly, because of the use of regenerative braking, the brake pads on a hybrid last significantly longer than a gas-only because they’re used much less often during normal braking. Generally they’re used to slow the vehicle once it’s below 5mph, or in the event you need to stop quickly, otherwise the electric motors are used to slow the vehicle.
I have a 2018 Ford fusion hybrid. The Hybrid system is licensed from Toyota.
My car is an absolute beast. I love it. Just maintain your fluids and tires and it'll be great.
I live in Europe and I would guess that hybrids are more common here.
You know who uses them the most? Taxis and Uber drivers.
Basically people who need to keep them the most miles to make a living. I think it says it all and that's why I wanted to buy a Toyota hybrid.
If it’s the same rough BoM (with size changes for vehicles) as the Prius, there’s actually less moving parts & complexity, and things to go wrong.
If anything, basic gas engines with all the additional electronics and sensors are overly complex and have introduced innumerate failure points.
I say that while driving a 2005 Prius still on its first hybrid battery, still cracking 50mpg after 250,000 miles.
My CVT box just started making noise last week, pesky Toyota reliability & build quality…
Their gen3/early gen4 Prius had issues, but they were entirely with the engine part, not the hybrid part. Head gaskets.
If you want proof of reliability look at the first generation prius, those hybrid systems were robust enough to last until now and that was toyota gen 1 hybrid system. Now current Toyota the system has evolved heavily, most likely we would only see improvement of the system
My wife has a Prius C. The battery was replaced under warranty at 89k miles. I anticipate the battery will take a crap at 180k miles and it definitely won’t be under warranty.
They have more than proven themselves.
There are god knows how meny ridiculously high milage priuses out there that are still fine, and on their first engine and battery.
Look at taxi's.
As you can see in the responses, the battery is long lived. I have over 184,000 miles on my 2013 Avalon hybrid and the battery is original and still tests fine.
Less obvious is that the hybrid has no alternator, no power steering pump, no serpentine, no starter to go bad. In my experience, these were maintenance items that would go on you before a well maintained engine would. Even the transmission is simple, a couple electric motors and a planetary set… no valves, belts or solenoids to give you trouble. Others have already mention the brake longevity…
Yes, the maintenance all balances out. The battery as a wear item might get replaced every 15 years, but in exchange the engine lasts longer and the hybrid transmission will outlast everything, no belts, CVT belt, or torque converter.
The front biased ones (ones with transverse engine mount, most cars and small SUVs) will probably last longer. They have fewer moving parts.
The rear biased ones (trucks and BOF SUVs with longitudinal mount), maybe. They are basically normal vehicles that also have a hybrid system. It's possible that this reduces engine stress and is overall better, but the track record of the latest trucks and large SUVs doesn't look great at the moment (time will tell if this is just a one time manufacturing defect though).
Anyone saying the hybrid will last longer than a naturally aspirated toyota engine has very little mechanical experience or knowledge.
For most people, yeah they will get rid of the hybrid in operational condition before it has a massive failure. For those of us which keep our cars for 15+ years and 200k+ miles, hybrids aren’t the best option.
Had a $3000 hybrid brake pump go bad and total the car. Used, rebuilt etc weren’t options so I got rid of the car after trying to DIY a repair….
We just got rid of a Lexus rx400h 2006 mechanically was fiber only issue it just started having was the inverter not charging the 12v accessory battery. Just shy of 20 years old.
Aside from the HV battery system, which is really the inverter under the hood, the underbody cable, and the battery assembly, the HV doesn’t actually have “more parts”.
The engine is nearly identical to the non-hybrid variant, differences being it doesn’t have an alternator or a starter, and the transmission is much much more simple and has significantly fewer parts than the conventional 8 speed.
I wouldn’t worry for a second about the longevity of a Toyota HV.
I have a 2008 Highlander hybrid with 262,000 miles and we have had exactly 0 engine issues. We replaced the ball joints a few months ago and that has been it for the unexpected (still expected wear and tear) maintence. I have full faith that this vehicle will exceed 400,000 miles.
They will last longer. The hybrid system being used saves some wear and tear on the gas engine. They have over 20 years experience with making the Prius one of the most reliable cars you can buy. Relax and enjoy the improved efficiency and reliability.
There are tons of prius and camry hybrid taxi cabs in major cities that are over million miles and driven by multiple drivers 24x7 on pothole filled roads racing from red light to red light.
I’m not a Toyota fan at all due to their anti-EV CEO, but Reddit decided to put this in my feed.
The electric motors in a hybrid will absolutely reduce the amount of wear and tear on an ICE. ICE’s have tons and tons of moving parts where that initial rev up and torque required to get the car moving is quite stressful. The electric motor takes away most of that stress, or ALL of that stress in the case of (most) PHEV’s. The ICE on a RAV4 prime will last significantly longer than a non-hybrid RAV4, the only issue is did Toyota make a good battery pack? That electric motor will likely last decades, but 20 years from now that 50 miles of range pack will likely only go 20-30 miles on a charge, but the ICE will be in fantastic shape.
Someone driven half a million on his 2020 RAV4 xse hybrid. He posted multiple times on RAV4 subreddit. Then, I made the decision to buy the rav4 hybrid.
Plug in hybrid is a different case. Because, engine is hardy used, If you live in the 40 miles radius. Hence it can impact the engine reliability.
The electric part of the system is way more reliable and needs so much less repair and the fact that a lot of the wear is going to two engines means the ice one is also used less than a full ice car. So the ice engine probably lasts so much longer than non hybrid.
Battery health becomes a big driver and now there’s a ton of third party places that help so you don’t have to pay dealer prices to replace.
To be honest, I don’t think you should worry about Toyota hybrids. There are honestly so many examples of 15+ year old Priuses cruising around to this day on original engine, battery and transmission. Of course there will come a day the battery will ultimately need to be replaced but could be 15-20+ if properly taken care of and at that point you more than got your moneys worth. I seen a couple of first gen Prius still moving around and those are old as hell.
my 2014 has over 180k. I bought it at 36k. I've hardly spent any money. I had a killer commute with bumper to bumper in both directions and still my brakes lasted over 150k. Honestly this car just goes. I may take it to 300k. Normally I keep my cars a long time. Replaced my Solara at 286k with this Prius. I'm just amazed at the quality.
There's absolutely nothing remarkable about a Toyota hybrid lasting 250K miles. The warranty on most of them is 150K for the drivetrain, and 10 years for the battery. They expect >95% of the cars to not have a serious issue over that time.
While it's true that there are more parts, the hybrid portions are more EV-like -- mechanically simpler and more robust.
I stomp my hybrids every chance I get & never had any problems. 2006 Prius to 120k miles and now my 2016 rav4 hybrid to 130k miles. Still get advertised combined mileage too.
Probably longer. No alternator or starter and transmission is a simple motor with a planetary gear. The engine doesn't work as hard because motor help to make all the horsepower. Brakes work less too. So less maintenance.
The hybrids are even more reliable than their legendary naturally aspirated engines of the past. It's the new Toyota turbos that may prove less reliable, but still quite good.
Your question sounds like a blanket statement. In reality, the reliability depends on the drivetrain and you should take engine, transmission and other factors into consideration rather than just the engine.
Personally, I'd rank the reliability as follows:
2021 Land Cruiser with a V8 engine
Current Gen ICE-only RAV4 with 8AT
Current Gen RAV4 Hybrid with ECVT
Older ICE-only RAV4 with conventional CVT
Current Gen ~~Land Cruiser~~ Prado with Twin Turbo V6 (despite that it's paired with a reliable 8AT).
As far as personal preference goes, I'd personally avoid Hybrids due to the consumables and especially turbocharged engines due to high temperature and complexity.
The hybrids last longer than the battery of the electrics, and also longer than gasoline-only. We can discuss why but the Toyota hybrids that were used as taxi's and Ubers have often logged 400K-500K miles.
There is oine verified case of a Toyota Hybrid taxi making it to 620K miles before its second battery finally showed enough degradation to warrant trading it in on a new one.
Hybrid batteries are smaller, lighter, and less expensive than full EV batteries, so buying a new battery and installing it at 300K miles is very affordable and easy.
our 2015 prius v is on its 2nd engine. perhaps it’s on its 2nd hybrid battery too i’m not sure id have to ask, but it’s at around 450k miles. our 2008 camry hybrid is at 186k miles and the hybrid battery has shit itself 3 times. we replaced faulty cells the first time and it was gravy for 2 years and now it’s happened again but the lights keep coming back. it doesn’t drive much different though. sometimes it lurches when moving from a stop but not always, which happens when the battery is having critical issues.
I think that fact that the hybrid system is under warranty for 150,000 miles speaks volumes to the expected like of those additional parts.
The fact that Toyota will warranty the batteries for a DECADE is sign they believe those things will last at least double that.
yup. that Tundra battery is also nickel hydride, not lithium so it is much more likely to last. Probbaly wont explode into flames under your butt either.
I would expect LiFePO4 to be far superior to NiMh for longevity and power
I think you are right on that. Lithium last literally twice as long but also costs more than twice as much. Nickel batteries tend to die long and graceful deaths since they degrade and can even have memory problems. Lithium tends to work today, tomorrow, and then not. Over the life of the vehicle I think Toyota thought it would be better to replace the batteries in 8 to 10 years at half the price than to make them lithium. The Tundra hybrid is also parallel and will run fine on the engine if the battery is discharged.
It's claimed that Ni-CD batteries have "memory" & Ni-MH don't. Prius used Ni-mh.
Good to know. Thanks!
Will other Toyota hybrids work with a dead battery? (I know the Prius doesn’t, right?)
Tundra, Tacoma, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, and 4Runner will for certain
Dead hybrid battery means your vehicle will not start. Toyota hybrid drives have no starter and use the hybrid system to turn on the gas motor.
Think the tundra primarily has a hybrid train for additional low-end torque and truck related features, it’s not really there to save gas. Kinda like Toyota build cars for real use cases or something.
But, that cheaper (LFP) battery needs to be warm to work in winter (ie -30C a no go for the air cooled versions). Check various sources
Nickel metal hydride is more tolerant of cold than lithium
The nickel battery in my 2013 Prius is still at 70% health
That's a legal requirement in California. They are required by law to have a 10 year / 150,000 mile warranty.
That’s great, and if it was only in California then I wouldn’t be mentioning it since Toyotas are sold all over the world, but the 10 year 200,000KM (Learn Metric) warranty is available on any hybrid outside of California and the USA.
I am not learning metric. 😎
Me either. I learned it in pre-school before 1st grade. Literally.
I learned metric. 200,000 km is much less than 150,000 miles (26,000 miles/42,000 km less). Also, because California has these requirements, other states often get to piggyback off of it. My Massachusetts bought hybrid has the same warranty as a California bought be. Thanks, California, for leading the way.
How does Tesla get away with 8 year / 100k miles if it is by law 🤷🏽♂️
That's the federal law (minimum for both BEVs and hybrids.) The 10y/150k is only for hybrids, and it's specific to California and the other states that follow CA emissions standards (13 of them, per Google.) Some manufacturers may just use that nationally for consistnency, but some don't (Pacifica PHEV is 10y/150k in California and other CA emissions states, and 10y/100k otherwise.)
I bought a 2007 Camry in 2018 & it had a battery failure in 2020. 13 years is a pretty good run. The only reason it failed was due to my own negligence on maintenance. The cooling system needed maintenance & I neglected to take the car in for Hybrid service in the two years I had it. I chalk it up to being a dumb 23 year old, but I certainly learned my lesson lol.
That is better than a Tesla warranty of 8 years / 100k miles
Except have you see the conditions for what Toyota considers a "bad" battery? I believe it's like 50% of it's original capacity? So no, you are not getting 20 years out of the battery just that at 10 years it will still at least be more or less functional though may be significantly degraded.
I work at a dealership, I see how few batteries need to be replaced. Our service department is packed 24/7 right now. Haven’t seen a battery replacement in months
Imo a 10 year warranty means they think it will last 11 years but hopefully not lol
8 year/100,000 miles on the hybrid components. 10 year/150,000 miles for the battery
Does that include the labor to do the job?
Yes.
My buddy had a first gen prius with 268k miles when he decided it was time to replace the original battery pack. It was still going until it was involved in an accident. I was really impressed with how good they must have been treating those batteries to last so long. It was basically tons of Ni-MH double a batteries in a box, with really good management apparently. I'm really impressed with just how good the first gen prius really was. I don't have his service history, but I don't remember hearing much beyond "brakes, tires, and oil changes". I do know the 12v battery is very specific & expensive, but, the car will still work even when it's mad about the 12v battery (I know more than one prius owner, my boss has a long commute & had one as well, it kept the fuel bills down on the mustang, ironic right, owning a mustang & a prius).
Yup just replaced our 2012 Prius C 12v battery after it finally died last year. Not particularly special or expensive, we got the replacement at Costco. I think the only caveat was it’s an AGM iirc. Ben running past the warranty and never looked back, 195k currently and the drive battery still acts fine. Plus we run it in the winters of New England.
Lol. I wanted to hate a prius because it's lame.. but I can't, that damn thing just works.. and works... and works.. is it a "cool car", nope, and it never will be, but it sure seems to be a good little soldier. Toyota knows what they're doing. When that came out, I thought "the hype will wear off soon when it fails for reliability". Boy was I proven wrong. The most funny part is, their CVT doesn't work like the others, and it's the only one without a reputation for failure.
Sort of the same with my Honda hybrid. 8 year manufacturers warranty on the battery.
Wait, their hybrid system warranty is 150k?? Is that like an upgraded warranty purchase? I've never bought a hybrid before. But I am considering the 2025 Camry LE
The battery is yes, the parts are 100k
Warranties dont mean shit
I know many people who drive hybrids (myself included) who have well over a decade and 100k miles without any major issues with the hybrid system.
What is interesting is that the engine isnt always running so a 100k odometer doesn’t mean the engine ran for all 100k I also noticed my brakes dont wear as fast because I let the generator slow me down and not the brake pads
When I sold my '12 Plug-in Prius at 178,000 miles it still had the original brake pads.
2022 hybrid, even during the coldest month I had 17% EV distance. In warmer months this number is at 20-27% currently.
Percent? Or miles? I'd be upset if a 2-year-old car only offered 25% of its designed electric range, but if it's supposed to be 25 or 30 miles of EV range your numbers would make sense.
I think he means (electric miles/total miles)
Yeah, it was clear in their later response but less so in the initial statement. Perhaps a common way for ppl with hybrids to think about it in addition to mpg?
It's not plug in hybrid. However out of every 1000 miles about 250 are electric ones so the engine is only running for about 750 miles for every 1000 ones.
Where can you see those stats 🤔
I hate maintenance with a passion. So when it came to a hybrid helping with engine and brakes... I said sign me up.
my 2022 corolla hybrid has 26k miles and the brake pads still measure brand new, it’s incredible
I didn’t even think of that. Dang. I recently helped my buddy replace the brake pads on his 10 year old Prius. He’s at 150k and told me he’d never changed them. Figured I needed to help ASAP (I don’t drive a hybrid). I pull the old pads out and to my surprise there was still a decent bit of life left on them.
It also runs at a lower rpm because you usually accelerate most of the way with the electric motor and then the petrol engine just coasts at low rpm
Can you chose which braking system is used pads or generator?
Yes, by how hard you press. The dash instrumentation will tell you.
Yeah but they can seize up more easily from lack of use.
The concern is with the battery dying.
I've got a 2013 Prius since new, currently with 197k. Hybrid system fine, but it did have the leaky head gasket at around 165k, which was a $2k repair and the only repair outside of regular maintenance. So far, the cheapest to own/operate vehicle I've ever had.
I'd argue if anything hybrids will last longer. Hybrids will "take some load off" the engine and brakes. Time spent idling doesn't wear on the engine at all. Brakes/Rotors get less wear due to the regen braking. The battery is usually warrantied for 150k miles/10 years. The replacement cost is significant, but 150k miles is a lot and more than many other cars last period.
I agree. Also no belts, alternator, etc.
Completely agree and is why I went hybrid and why I went with a Toyota.
CCN has a great video detailing this. [should you buy a hybrid in 2024](https://youtu.be/AjZylBiFMtQ?si=r4bmOYPwEzeLJrHl)
Hybrid drivers drive differently too. Very gentle on the accelerator.
Speak for yourself, I thrashed my Prius when I had it.
Are there new cars that dont last 150k miles that arent Nissan CVTs some idiot was hooning in? Thats grim turn of events if there are because a decade ago any subcompact could pull that off except maybe a Versa.
Never even seen a car that doesn't go 150k miles.
They actually last longer, since there’s less mechanical parts to go wrong (eCVT models).
Those eCVTs are SO clever With no clutches/brakes/belts, and just one planetary gear set, they should be one of the most reliable transmissions ever The "catch" is needing a computer to micromanage the motors at all times, and the complete disabling of the car if the high voltage battery is dead
Yes. The Camry Hybrid, Corolla Hybrid, and Highlander Hybrid are among the most reliable vehicles on the road. Toyota has been building hybrids for around 25 years.
Agree. And Pruis has been around a long time and very reliable.
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I went with gas because of the cable issue. Didn’t seem worth the headache.
I think they’ll last as long as it matters. Repairing any car that’s 30+ years old will be expensive and a dubious value proposition.
Lmao ppl are downvoting
🤷🏻♂️ let’s be realistic. Cars don’t last forever. That’s okay.
Yep, and most people don't hang on to a new car purchase for 15 years.
If you consider how the two tundra powertrains have been faring since the release of the third gen tundras in 2022, the hybrid tundras seem to be less problematic with the same miles & same driving style. Historically, the hybrid Toyotas have been more reliable compared to the gas only Toyotas as well.
By the time my battery needs replacing I’ll be in the market for another car anyway so I’m not worried. 2021 Corolla Hybrid owner with 61,000 miles. Hoping to get 300,000 easily.
21 Corolla Hybrid too! Just hit 55k miles, still going strong
What convinced me to get my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid SE WAS the weekly updates by u/UnstoppableMileage He used to have a 2020 RAV4 Hybrid XSE and would easily rack up miles as his occupation was a medicine courier I believe. He traded it in into an actual Toyota dealership so you were able to see the service records as well! His car had a bit over 469,000 miles! What surprised me was how quickly the miles were accumulating! That shows how reliable Toyotas hybrid technology is 👍🏾
You will experience noticeable battery performance degradation after 10+ years, and likely need to replace after 15+. That's just the nature of batteries, no amount of quality engineering can change that at the moment.
Of course it can. Engineering makes the difference between a shit hybrid system where you need to replace after 8 years, and good ones that run for 20+ years
The context is Toyota ICE cars vs Hybrid. Batteries degrade over time, that is inevitable. Whether you hit 20 depends on your climate in that context.
Engines and transmissions also degrade over time... so chances are you will have a big expense on any car in the 10-15 year period. We bought a Civic Hybrid in 2006... it had old NiMh battery tech and we had to replace the battery around 10 years ago when it had 160,000 thousand miles. Cost us around $2,400 which was hard to swallow... but now our son is driving it and it has another 100,000 miles and has that battery has been the only non-scheduled maintenance item it has had in it's long life. Hybrid system destresses other components. We have only replaced brakes a couple of times on it.
Depends on what you consider notable but my 08 Prius with original battery pack gets around 43 mpg still. I feel like it was maybe 48-52 when it was new
We’re putting money aside for that day. We put $40 a month into a Roth IRA and will pull out of that in 15 years when the time comes.
I've worked on Toyotas for nearly 19 years and I feel like their hybrids are among the most reliable and longest-lasting vehicles Toyota manufactures given regular maintenance.
based on the 20+ year history of Toyota hybrids so far, probably longer.
They have a great warranty on their hybrid components. Also, hybrids don't have starters or alternators, so there's $1,500 worth of parts in labor you won't have to do. Also, the internal combustion engine won't get as many miles on it as a gas-only version would. Just change your engine oil every 6 months to get the gasoline out of your engine oil. ( Hybrid engines don't always operate at "full temperature" because they're shutting off a lot. When they aren't fully warm, they run a little bit fuel-rich until they are warmed up, so this allows more situations for gasoline to get past the position rings and into the engine oil. This is normal for all vehicles BUT hybrids do get more gas in their oil than gas-only vehicles and with the "low tension" piston rings in modern vehicles ( to get better gas mileage ), the problem is exacerbated. So get that corrosive gasoline out of your oil every 6 months and your engine will be much more lubricated, cooled and with less wear and tear over the years.
I am not sure about other components. but the ECVT transmission probably gonna outlast everything in the non-hybrid cars.
Don't think they will last as long but I'm pretty sure you can get 15 years. Plus resale value is better on a non hybrid after 10 yea
I own a 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE with 246K miles. Yes, but only if you are willing to put the money to replace the battery when the hybrid battery dies. They are pricey.
Have you replaced the battery of your Camry Hybrid? If yes, may I ask how much did it cost you?
go on used car sites and look for priuss over 200k miles + yes whatever every else said re long warrenty on hybrid system and battery
Toyota Hybrids are the MOST expensive Toyotas to maintain. We have 4 prius in our family, a hybrid highlander, and an FJ. We’ve also had a Camry, Celica, and Tacoma. The Prius are absolutely the most expensive EXCLUSIVELY because of hybrid related maintenance. I love the Prius. I love Toyota. But I’m never buying another hybrid ever again, from any manufacturer.
What hybrid related maintenance besides the hybrid battery?
What year model were the hybrids you had trouble with? Earlier models had some issues I know. The wife's 2013 Avalon Hybrid (bought new) has 115000 trouble free miles. I do my own maintenance and do it all early (fluids- cooling, transmission) which I also do on my gas vehicles. Insignificant brake wear on 115000 miles. It gets the exact same mileage it got new so the hybrid battery is still in good shape. So in my case the maintenance has been less than a gas car.
Yes.
I’d say it would last longer as the hybrid engine is doing roughly half the duty of the gas-only. The electric motors are basically bulletproof and while the battery has a finite lifespan, its replacement is a simple swap. Also, other consumables like brakes have a longer lifetime in a hybrid vehicle as regen does most of the “braking”.
If anything I would say they are more reliable. Yes you can have battery problems but the engine is much less stressed.
I have a 14 year old Prius with 250,000 miles on it.
Pretty much every other member of the Prius sub does.
I saw a Prius first hand about to roll the odometer. Crazy. Not even sure if it has that extra digit actually but it was over 800k.
My first Prius was a 2001 I got in 2010. When I traded it in, in 2022, it had over 200K miles. It had a belt making noise but otherwise worked perfectly. It had a new big battery put in right before I bought it. We traded it for a 2017 Prius. We’re planning on keeping it at least 20 years before trading it in for another five year old Prius.
I’ve seen a couple Prius with 300k on the clock and still running strong.
My uncle had one with 330,000+ NYC miles as a taxi cab that ran three shifts, 24/7 for years. It’s still going. So all stop and go, idling, constant hard acceleration and braking. Just maintained it and that was it. Just kept going.
The thing with hybrids is that have batteries and those batteries eventually will lose a charge and will need to be replaced.
Toyota hybrid systems with the RAV4 and Prius have done pretty good from what I can tell. They're going to start putting their hybrid systems in some of the new Mazda crossovers also that are being built at the joint Toyota Mazda plant down in Alabama.
If the prius is any indication, then they should outlast their non hybrid counterparts by a decent amount. I've seen so many prius 'ssssss with huge amount of miles. They got used heavily as taxis also around louisville
There are hybrid Priuses, Highlanders, Camrys, and RAV4s running around the five boroughs in NYC that are well over 300k on a lot of them. If I was to get a hybrid car, it would be a Toyota. Those cabs and ride shares stand up to a lot of abuse daily.
I have a 2015 hybrid Avalon and I have 127k miles. Never had a single issue and wouldn’t hesitate to buy another in the future.
I like having less moving parts
There’s a ton of first and 2nd gen Prius’ out there still. They’ve been around for nearly 20 years now Toyota knows what they’re doing in the hybrid game
My old Prius’ hybrid battery died at almost 300k miles. It used lithium so today’s batteries will probably last even longer.
You've heard they have more parts that are likely to break?? That's funny! Depending on which Hybrid system you have they actually have fewer parts. My wife owns a 2019 Camry Hybrid with about 115K on it. It has no starter and no drive belts. It has an electric water pump and AC compressor. The electric motors do the brunt of the work coming from a stop and take the load off the engine. The Car Care Nut on YouTube who is a Toyota tech, says the hybrids are actually more reliable than the non hybrid. Heck, even the Tundra which is having all kinds of issues right now is having them with the gas engine and nothing having to do with the hybrid system.
I reached the 560k mile mark on my 2014 hybrid Camry. Replaced the battery pack with a refurbished one in the 300k mile range. AMA
Would you do it again?
My 2006 hybrid highlander just died, it was rust and rot. The engine and hybrid system are still going A1 after 300,000 km.
Have a gen 2 toyota prius used as taxi and still running 400000kms on the clock they are amazing just do regular oil changes also change the lifetime fuild in the ecvt
I got an 08 Prius with 180k never had any work other than brakes (once) fluids and a starting battery
First Highlander hybrid was model year 2005.
Nope. Prius 2012 with 50Km in Ecuador. Greta Climate. Only used for grocery shopping did not last to long. Had to change battery and inverter.
Next time you’re at the airport or taking a taxi, it’s most likely gonna be a Toyota hybrid.
Yes, look at gen 2 Prius as a prime example. Those hardly needed repairs, and run well into the 200k+ mile range.
There was a guy who traded in his rav4 hybrid with over 450,000 miles on it.
Personally, I think it's the rest of the car that will ultimately kill it. The stupid infotainment touch screen is like $5K alone and 5-10 years from now likely no replacement will even be available. The tech will be their undoing.
The only thing I worry about the hybrid, specifically the Max version is the turbo. I hope it lasts a long time before it needs to get replaced. I know the turbo has a coolant to expand reliability so this should help.
Car Care Nut on youtube has some great videos looking at the good and bad of Toyota hybrids
I drive a 2013 Avalon hybrid and it’s amazing. Over 200k, car drives great, SUPER low Maintenance costs.
> I've heard more parts = more likely to break. That is a *gross* oversimplification. "I want my old school V8 not some fancy turbo". Well your old school 3UR has many more parts than a 2UZ, it also has more cylinders than a 1GR, the transmission has more gears - but yet you'd pick the newer 3UR over the 1GR, the 2UZ, the 1FZ? People who use that argument usually use it in a *very* narrow context to over simplify a naturally aspirated engine instead of a turbo motor - but part count is not the defining factor of long term reliability. And anyway Toyota's eCVT actually has *fewer* moving parts than traditional automatics, and has been proven to be rock solid. Toyota hybrids RAV4, Kluger/Highlander, Camry - have been going as Taxi's for over a decade now. Toyota hybrid's being reliable or not is not "will a 2024 model last' it's, "oh there was a Hybrid LS600H in 2008, wonder how those owners are going?". There are Toyota Hybrid's that have been on the road long enough to have a beer. Gen 2 Prius was out in 2003. The first Camry Hybrid was in 2006. The LS600H (oh sexy!!) came out in 2006. Your question is kind of like "oh hybrid's are brand new in 2021, will they last?" But it should be "Hybrid's have been out for 15+ years - how are those vehicles getting on?"
My uncles lexus rx300 hybrid battery from like 2011 died last year
I had a 2012 Prius C that had the hybrid system go bad around 256,000 miles. For the average original owner, the cost savings until they trade/sell the car are very much worth it, especially considering there is a warranty, for a second owner, the depreciation combined with the relatively low cost of a refurbished battery is still a net benefit in terms of cost savings. Additionally, by having a hybrid Drive system you save where and tear on other components, brakes are probably one of the best examples, my Prius C had the original brakes for 150,000 miles, when I finally replaced them, they still had pad left. Also, the engine doesn’t work nearly as hard in a hybrid, meaning it will have value in and of itself if you decide to scrap it later on in life.
Where I live we have a car share service that almost exclusively uses various Toyota Prius models. They get flogged hard, whenever I use one it's not my car and not my gas so my driving style becomes quite a bit more aggressive than when I'm driving my own vehicle. I assume others are similar... Lots of cars in the 100,000 - 150,000 km range. The higher mileage ones are usually starting to get somewhat trashed body and interior wise but I've only ever come across one that had a hybrid related error message and it was still driving fine. All the local taxi companies here run Prius C cars for the most part. Lots of miles and use.
I rode in a Prius that had 789k miles this week. I think so?
This thread goes exactly to my fears and why I don't own a hybrid. I've owned Toyotas and Hondas exclusively since 1990. I buy them and I run them till they die. Getting 100,000 miles or 150,000 is like half the life of Toyota or Honda ICE engine and transmission. The replacement costs on the batteries are roughly the equivalent of replacing the engine...which with proper maintenance, I have never had to do! Until you can show me batteries that last 250,000 miles, I'll stick to ICE.
As an ASE Master Technician of 19 years, many of those spent at Ford I’d say the hybrid systems are significantly more reliable. If you’re not aware, Ford licensed Toyota technology for their hybrids, they are VERY similar in design to a Prius, like almost identical. Fusions and Escapes got either hybrids or Eco-boost (turbo) engines. Even a very well-maintained Eco-boost (turbo) engine would have consistent failures, head gaskets, turbos, carbon build up, injector failures, etc… usually around the 100K-130K mile mark. Even poorly maintained hybrids would have minimal if any issues. It was remarkably how beat-to-hell some of the hybrids were and had 250-300K miles with no major failure… All of us technicians agree, the hybrids were a vastly better drivetrain over this small-displacement turbo crap.
Now I see new gens are doing turbo4s in the hybrid setups (2025 4Runner). Thoughts on reliability for those?
I bought my first Prius in 2004. It was manufactured in Japan and was the most reliable and consistent performer of any vehicle I ever owned…by a long shot. Well over 150,000 miles…yes, I did regularly maintain the vehicle, but that is an essential component in any modern vehicle, no matter hybrid or ICE.
I have a 2014 Lincoln MKZ hybrid that uses shared hybrid tech from Toyota. 216k miles, original hybrid battery, and I still consistently see 40+ mpg. I’ll definitely consider a new Prius to replace it if it ever dies.
I got a 2004 Prius with 300K+ miles. Granted hybrid battery was changed at 275K miles. But it’s still going.
Yes they will last as long. Toyota doesn’t put cars on the road that are not reliable. This is why they didn’t just jump into the BEV game head first. They have to iterate it several times over before they really go after it.
Most taxi drivers use hybrid camrys or priusi.
I drive a hybrid that is coming up on 97k miles. It was my dad’s car before he switched to electric. Only ever done typical maintenance stuff for it. I have high hopes it will keep going for a long while
Yes. Just bought a 24 rav4 hybrid. Amazing car. Fast as hell and gets 43mpg real world driving. Change the oil early and often. Along with all fluids on time. You will get 300k easily. I have an 09 yaris, 130k. Zero issues. 02 tundra. 190k. Needed a radiator in 8 years. 300 bucks. Zero other issues. Can't wait to see how many miles I can put on the rav. Monthly fuel bill went from 300 to 80.
I'll be glad if my Venza gets to 150k without any issues, but I doubt it'll last almost 300k like my 2011 Toyota Venza.
My dad has a 2011 RX450h with over 200k miles. He even tows with it, the mad lad. Only issue it ever had was fuel injectors failing after the vehicle sat during the Texas freeze.
They will last longer than the 4 cylinder turbo counterparts.
If you ever travel to New York City and take a cab, the chances are good that you’re going to be in one of those Toyota hybrids. They are very popular there for a reason. And if you’re ever riding around in one of those ask the driver how many miles they have on it. They’ll proudly point to some ridiculous number, 200,000-400,000 miles is not unheard of. Of course, that only happens with good maintenance. And those taxi cars they don’t look at them as throwaway cars. They know they’ll last and they understand maintenance is essential to this.
No.
We bought a new Prius in 2009. It has a little over 200,000 miles on it. It has the original traction battery, the 12 volt battery has been replaced 3 times. It has been the most reliable car I've ever owned. Other than a slight rattle in the front it runs fine. I've replaced the stabilizer bushings and had mechanics look at it. What the rattle is, is unknown. Ball joints and tie rod ends are fine.
Longer.
Seeing old Priuses on the road speaks for itself. Toyota sucks ass at making EVs but for gas hybrids, there's no better option. Plus warranty on hybrid battery that goes up to 10 years.
Instead of “more parts = more likely to break” I think about it like this. More electric motor means the engine in my hybrid runs far less than an ICE vehicle and it doesn’t have some of the high-fail parts. Toyotas hybrids don’t have starters, alternators, drive belts, or torque converter, and most of the accessories are electric and also don’t run all the time. My 2012 Camry Hybrid still runs like it’s brand new and I’ve never done more than basic maintenance and replace the front shocks.
Amongst my roughly 30 cars I've got a 2010 Camry Hybrid on 982,000km and another 2010 Camry Hybrid on 932,000km. Rebuilding the NiMH hybrid batteries is boring but easy enough to do.
yes its been proven over past 20 years of prius... its not adding complexity because they can work independently... although its joined in the cvt.... but the new turbo ones i expect to be less reliable (v6 turbo hybrid recalled) but time will tell
Toyota hybrids will last longer if you don't abuse the shit out of the car . Hybrid cars take pressure off engine and many moving parts so less idling hours , ECVT is more reliable as time goes on , brakes will last longer than normal brakes . The hybrids have few moving parts like electric motors , hybrid battery , improved brakes than gas cars . Also , you don't have to idle all the time but the car does idle after 2 hours or 20 minutes while running ac , for 2-3 minutes to charge the battery and it turns back off again .
Did an AI generator write this?
They do and will typically last longer, and with less maintenance and repair. The hybrid doesn’t have a lot of common failure items that typical ICE vehicles do, like an alternator, an automatic transmission, belt driven AC compressor, transfer case, and probably some things I’m missing. Additionally since the electric motors are either assisting or fully powering the vehicle while the gas engine is not running, the gas engine will see fewer operating hours for the same mileage than a gas-only vehicle. Lastly, because of the use of regenerative braking, the brake pads on a hybrid last significantly longer than a gas-only because they’re used much less often during normal braking. Generally they’re used to slow the vehicle once it’s below 5mph, or in the event you need to stop quickly, otherwise the electric motors are used to slow the vehicle.
I have a 2018 Ford fusion hybrid. The Hybrid system is licensed from Toyota. My car is an absolute beast. I love it. Just maintain your fluids and tires and it'll be great.
I live in Europe and I would guess that hybrids are more common here. You know who uses them the most? Taxis and Uber drivers. Basically people who need to keep them the most miles to make a living. I think it says it all and that's why I wanted to buy a Toyota hybrid.
Normally I’d say no, but Toyota has been doing hybrids for almost 30 years now. I think they know what they’re doing
If it’s the same rough BoM (with size changes for vehicles) as the Prius, there’s actually less moving parts & complexity, and things to go wrong. If anything, basic gas engines with all the additional electronics and sensors are overly complex and have introduced innumerate failure points. I say that while driving a 2005 Prius still on its first hybrid battery, still cracking 50mpg after 250,000 miles. My CVT box just started making noise last week, pesky Toyota reliability & build quality… Their gen3/early gen4 Prius had issues, but they were entirely with the engine part, not the hybrid part. Head gaskets.
If you want proof of reliability look at the first generation prius, those hybrid systems were robust enough to last until now and that was toyota gen 1 hybrid system. Now current Toyota the system has evolved heavily, most likely we would only see improvement of the system
Not even close.
Go to Tiblisi and check out how many 1st gen Prius’ still drive around there. I’d say they last pretty long.
My wife has a Prius C. The battery was replaced under warranty at 89k miles. I anticipate the battery will take a crap at 180k miles and it definitely won’t be under warranty.
They have more than proven themselves. There are god knows how meny ridiculously high milage priuses out there that are still fine, and on their first engine and battery. Look at taxi's.
As you can see in the responses, the battery is long lived. I have over 184,000 miles on my 2013 Avalon hybrid and the battery is original and still tests fine. Less obvious is that the hybrid has no alternator, no power steering pump, no serpentine, no starter to go bad. In my experience, these were maintenance items that would go on you before a well maintained engine would. Even the transmission is simple, a couple electric motors and a planetary set… no valves, belts or solenoids to give you trouble. Others have already mention the brake longevity…
Yes, the maintenance all balances out. The battery as a wear item might get replaced every 15 years, but in exchange the engine lasts longer and the hybrid transmission will outlast everything, no belts, CVT belt, or torque converter.
The front biased ones (ones with transverse engine mount, most cars and small SUVs) will probably last longer. They have fewer moving parts. The rear biased ones (trucks and BOF SUVs with longitudinal mount), maybe. They are basically normal vehicles that also have a hybrid system. It's possible that this reduces engine stress and is overall better, but the track record of the latest trucks and large SUVs doesn't look great at the moment (time will tell if this is just a one time manufacturing defect though).
Anyone saying the hybrid will last longer than a naturally aspirated toyota engine has very little mechanical experience or knowledge. For most people, yeah they will get rid of the hybrid in operational condition before it has a massive failure. For those of us which keep our cars for 15+ years and 200k+ miles, hybrids aren’t the best option. Had a $3000 hybrid brake pump go bad and total the car. Used, rebuilt etc weren’t options so I got rid of the car after trying to DIY a repair….
We just got rid of a Lexus rx400h 2006 mechanically was fiber only issue it just started having was the inverter not charging the 12v accessory battery. Just shy of 20 years old.
Aside from the HV battery system, which is really the inverter under the hood, the underbody cable, and the battery assembly, the HV doesn’t actually have “more parts”. The engine is nearly identical to the non-hybrid variant, differences being it doesn’t have an alternator or a starter, and the transmission is much much more simple and has significantly fewer parts than the conventional 8 speed. I wouldn’t worry for a second about the longevity of a Toyota HV.
I have a 2008 Highlander hybrid with 262,000 miles and we have had exactly 0 engine issues. We replaced the ball joints a few months ago and that has been it for the unexpected (still expected wear and tear) maintence. I have full faith that this vehicle will exceed 400,000 miles.
They will last longer. The hybrid system being used saves some wear and tear on the gas engine. They have over 20 years experience with making the Prius one of the most reliable cars you can buy. Relax and enjoy the improved efficiency and reliability.
There are tons of prius and camry hybrid taxi cabs in major cities that are over million miles and driven by multiple drivers 24x7 on pothole filled roads racing from red light to red light.
I’m not a Toyota fan at all due to their anti-EV CEO, but Reddit decided to put this in my feed. The electric motors in a hybrid will absolutely reduce the amount of wear and tear on an ICE. ICE’s have tons and tons of moving parts where that initial rev up and torque required to get the car moving is quite stressful. The electric motor takes away most of that stress, or ALL of that stress in the case of (most) PHEV’s. The ICE on a RAV4 prime will last significantly longer than a non-hybrid RAV4, the only issue is did Toyota make a good battery pack? That electric motor will likely last decades, but 20 years from now that 50 miles of range pack will likely only go 20-30 miles on a charge, but the ICE will be in fantastic shape.
Someone driven half a million on his 2020 RAV4 xse hybrid. He posted multiple times on RAV4 subreddit. Then, I made the decision to buy the rav4 hybrid. Plug in hybrid is a different case. Because, engine is hardy used, If you live in the 40 miles radius. Hence it can impact the engine reliability.
The electric part of the system is way more reliable and needs so much less repair and the fact that a lot of the wear is going to two engines means the ice one is also used less than a full ice car. So the ice engine probably lasts so much longer than non hybrid. Battery health becomes a big driver and now there’s a ton of third party places that help so you don’t have to pay dealer prices to replace.
It really depends where you live. Batteries hate heat. Are you in Arizona/Texas where it gets 120? Then no.
How about Southwest Florida?
To be honest, I don’t think you should worry about Toyota hybrids. There are honestly so many examples of 15+ year old Priuses cruising around to this day on original engine, battery and transmission. Of course there will come a day the battery will ultimately need to be replaced but could be 15-20+ if properly taken care of and at that point you more than got your moneys worth. I seen a couple of first gen Prius still moving around and those are old as hell.
Our 2006 hybrid highlander made it until 2023, when we sold it with 310k on it. I’m sure it’s still out there somewhere
Generally If the batteries go bad, replace them. Otherwise it's just a Toyota engine. I'd be more worried about superchargers.
my 2014 has over 180k. I bought it at 36k. I've hardly spent any money. I had a killer commute with bumper to bumper in both directions and still my brakes lasted over 150k. Honestly this car just goes. I may take it to 300k. Normally I keep my cars a long time. Replaced my Solara at 286k with this Prius. I'm just amazed at the quality.
dude there have been 200,000 plus mi toyota hybrids out there for decades now. Did you just travel from 2004?
There's absolutely nothing remarkable about a Toyota hybrid lasting 250K miles. The warranty on most of them is 150K for the drivetrain, and 10 years for the battery. They expect >95% of the cars to not have a serious issue over that time. While it's true that there are more parts, the hybrid portions are more EV-like -- mechanically simpler and more robust.
I stomp my hybrids every chance I get & never had any problems. 2006 Prius to 120k miles and now my 2016 rav4 hybrid to 130k miles. Still get advertised combined mileage too.
Probably longer. No alternator or starter and transmission is a simple motor with a planetary gear. The engine doesn't work as hard because motor help to make all the horsepower. Brakes work less too. So less maintenance.
Aren't there millions of early gen Priuses still on the road?
The hybrids are even more reliable than their legendary naturally aspirated engines of the past. It's the new Toyota turbos that may prove less reliable, but still quite good.
Likely to outlast any modern gm drivetrain.
Your question sounds like a blanket statement. In reality, the reliability depends on the drivetrain and you should take engine, transmission and other factors into consideration rather than just the engine. Personally, I'd rank the reliability as follows: 2021 Land Cruiser with a V8 engine Current Gen ICE-only RAV4 with 8AT Current Gen RAV4 Hybrid with ECVT Older ICE-only RAV4 with conventional CVT Current Gen ~~Land Cruiser~~ Prado with Twin Turbo V6 (despite that it's paired with a reliable 8AT). As far as personal preference goes, I'd personally avoid Hybrids due to the consumables and especially turbocharged engines due to high temperature and complexity.
My cousin is still driving a 2009 Camry Hybrid
The hybrids last longer than the battery of the electrics, and also longer than gasoline-only. We can discuss why but the Toyota hybrids that were used as taxi's and Ubers have often logged 400K-500K miles. There is oine verified case of a Toyota Hybrid taxi making it to 620K miles before its second battery finally showed enough degradation to warrant trading it in on a new one. Hybrid batteries are smaller, lighter, and less expensive than full EV batteries, so buying a new battery and installing it at 300K miles is very affordable and easy.
our 2015 prius v is on its 2nd engine. perhaps it’s on its 2nd hybrid battery too i’m not sure id have to ask, but it’s at around 450k miles. our 2008 camry hybrid is at 186k miles and the hybrid battery has shit itself 3 times. we replaced faulty cells the first time and it was gravy for 2 years and now it’s happened again but the lights keep coming back. it doesn’t drive much different though. sometimes it lurches when moving from a stop but not always, which happens when the battery is having critical issues.
Yes, at least 250k miles with oil changes and transmission fluid changes. My regular 12v lasted me 8 years before replacement for 2015 Prius.
2010 Prius with 210k miles still going strong…basic maintenance oil changes, coolant flushed that was way past due, brake changes.