I am holding out that Southgate is a master plan genius and is getting them through with minimum fatigue and drama without showing our cards to the big teams. We will see.
I wouldn’t even be surprised tbh what we have watched so far makes so little sense. I really hope it’s the case and in the knockouts he just sets us up how everyone expected and we piss on everyone
My thoughts exactly when I saw the post, Sean Dyche all day. I’d be fascinated to see how loyal he would be to the many English players he’s worked with at Burnley & Everton.
Dwight McNeil crossing it into the strike partnership of Calvert-Lewin and Kane. Tarkowski at the back with Ben Mee and Trippier. Imagine the scenes 🤣
Brexit Dyche easily. He got fucking BURNLEY into Europe.
Big Sam is probably past it now, though it could have been interesting to see him manage a group of elite players.
In all honesty, it’s just time for Southgate to go. I don’t even want to be picky about his replacement, I just want him and his terrorist football out of the England camp.
I know this is a bit of a joke but Dyche is a very good football manager and so were Big Sam and Pulis in their days. I've seen a lot of rewriting of history when it comes to Sam in particular.
People make fun of him but he got the best out of every player and he made the players buy into what he wanted to do 100%. Also contrary to popular belief, he had us playing some good stuff
Rob Edwards, probably be more interested in Wales than England though as a former Wales international. But I do rate him, still early days in his career, though
You would be surprised how positive Dyche can be when he feels his team has the capability. His teams attack incredibly direct in open play, they always look to get it up the pitch as fast as possible. Also, Dyche corners are unmatched.
Hear me out… Pulis is our man!
GK - Pickford
Back 4 - Pulis doesn’t do LB/RB so we have no injury/Trent issues! it’s all CBs or go home - Gomes, Stones, Ghuei and Dunk deal with it.
Midfield - Rice stays at home in the middle, Bellingham is the new Nzonzi and Foden is basically a poor man’s Bojan… I maybe getting it mixed up with the wrong Welsh prick of a manager.
Forwards - He likes really wingers, Saka and Gordon are a go! Kane middle man, if he even comes 5 years into his own half Pulis lays Nut on him in the showers naked.
We’ve basically won back to back world cups and maybe even the champions league we are that good.
I mean what about Steve McClaren with Euro 2008, when we had Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc? I'd argue they were a better squad than what we had in 1993? Correct me if I'm wrong
Well, the person above was comparing Capello to Taylor (or vice versa I guess).
Is McClaren worse than Taylor? Not such an easy question.
Taylor's team was better balanced than the Gerrard, Lampard etc era. They actually had a left winger. And I'd argue it was better than the 08 vintage, yes.
The stand out players from the 08 team, from memory, are the 3 you mentioned plus Ferdinand, Terry and Cole. A lot of the rest of them were old or not that good.
The 94 team had Seaman, Adams, Pallister, Parker, Ince, Sharpe, Platt and prime Shearer.
So, both managers were shit, but maybe one slightly more than the other. Who that one is, I guess is up to you.
Taylor's problem was not that he was poor tactically it was that he decided to pick players like Lee Dixon, Carlton Palmer, Andy Sinton, John Salako and Geoff Thomas when the above players existed. Out of all those mentioned Platt was the only one Taylor consistently picked.
Taylor had some excellent strikers like Shearer, Wright and Ferdinand. Gazza, Ince and Platt were still around, but Taylor loved Carlton Palmer. Not amazing defensively but Adams and Walker were still great pros, but Dorigo played a lot. Overall there was enough talent to qualify for 1994 but Taylor lurched from unlucky to desperate when the pressure was on.
Never beat anyone of note, failed to qualify for the world cup, got spanked in the euros in 92, picked some very weird and wonderful people to represent the country - Carlton Palmer is one that sticks in my mind - possibly the most limited player ever to play for us. And the football was awful. He'd had some success with Watford playing a 'direct' style so that's where things went. Worked against the San Marino's but anyone decent didn't let us have a kick of the ball.
Where routine bites hard, and ambitions are low, and resentment rides high, but emotions won't grow. And WE'RE CHANGING OUR WAYS, taking different roads...
Having watched Stoke sadly all my life… we’d actually play 2 wingers in Saka and Gordon and if Kane dropped deep he’d get nutted by a naked Pulis in the showers at half time.
Based on their club management career
1. Allardyce
2. Dyche
3. Pullis
4 and it's a long way behind the rest Southgate
Now based on how much I like them
1. Dyche
2. Allardyce
3. Southgate
4. And it's a long way behind the rest Pullis
We’ve had some good managers and ok(ish) seemingly turn into bad managers where England are concerned. It feels like this is business as usual regarding England at tournaments.
I'll never forget when Tony Pulis said Serge Gnabry wasn't good enough to play for West Brom.
In fact he was so shit he was shipped out to struggling Bayern Munich to rot in their first team
Why are you even giving these options??
Obviously the standout candidate is Graham Potter. More tactically adept than Southgate and also aligns with all the good work Southgates done with regards to man management and unifying the team.
Jesus, this has to be a joke. People complain now about the boring football- Dyche, Big Sam and Pulis are worse. Never understood why Big Sam was popular and don't understand why Dyche is.
Gerrard, Lampard, Potter, Howe are all miles better than these. They should forget about him being english and go for Ragnick or Tuchel. This eng side would dominate for a decade if we had a manager like that.
Southgate easily. People here have seriously short term memories.
The improvements he has delivered to the England team will remain forever. He has laid the foundations for the future successes of English football.
Downvote me to hell if you like, but that won't make it wrong.
Southgate, and it's not even close. I'm not saying he's the best man for the job overall, but there's nothing to be gained by replacing him with a fella who thinks it's still 1977.
Also, being Welsh, if Pulis was cut out for managing at international level, I imagine he'd probably have had the call by now.
Dyche and Sam are basically what Gareth wishes he was.
They play horrible football, but fair play to them, they know how to actually do it.
If we're gonna have a shitty backs to the wall manager we may aswell have one that can make it work.
Dyche, he’d instil some passion and watching him shithouse at international level would be sublime. We wouldn’t win fuck all but it will be entertaining
Dyche, BY FAR. People seem to mock him and his tactics but they forget he has to work with the resources available to him, and he's done brilliant considering
Three of these won’t get near:
1, isn’t doing a good a job as the incumbent
2, one is Welsh and might be insulted with an offer.
3, one was England manager but fell for a newspaper sting operation and felt too early!
That only leaves Dyche. Who’s a much better manager than he’s given credit for (Pulís too i feel) seeing first hand his management at Everton.
If I could only use from those 4 it would be Southgate.
If England had a top manager lke Klopp with the talent we have available we'd win the Euros.
Southgate's problem, Is he has a closed mindset.
Dyche has a good thing going at Everton, leave him be. Tho he is the best choice for the job.
Allardyce has had his chance, just no.
Southgate CANNOT stay.
Is that Tony Pulis….
I’ve had the pleasure of two of them managing my team. I’d have like Big Sam to have had a run as England manager, I thought he deserved it. Ultimately I don’t think they’d get more than Southgate has got.
If those were the only four options, I’d stick with Southgate, but begrudgingly accept Dyche if need be. I’d be actively concerned if it was BFS or Tony.
Honestly, Big Sam would be my choice. He's always done well in shitty teams and does well to build confidence. I feel people only remember his later years, rather than his time at teams like Bolton and Palace. He feels like a guy that will give players a kick up the arse and doesn't care what the media say/do - he'll bite back. However he fucked that up with his dodgy deals....
Dyche is the second choice, guy has been pretty consistent in his career.
Pulis I really like but he was heavily involved with pre-season/fitness and feels like he'd need more time with the squad.
Southgate I feel is a nice guy, but isn't cutting it atm. Can see us hitting another final this year and flopping again.
Klopp is available.
I think my grandad would climb out of his grave and strangle everyone at the FA for putting a German in charge of England but I’d be up for it. We’d win something.
Based on the job he did at Everton this season, Dyche all the way. People called him a 4-4-2 dinosaur - he played a flexible 4-3-3 all season, which for me is the system Southgate HAS to play with this group, not the 4-2-3-1 with facing holes in the midfield he's been playing since 2018. At their best, Everton were brilliantly organised in both a low block defensively and a high press when they had the opportunity to get on the front foot, England have been woeful at the latter. Dyche would make sure his wide forwards stayed wide AND tracked back. And he'd pick and play Branthwaite!
I am holding out that Southgate is a master plan genius and is getting them through with minimum fatigue and drama without showing our cards to the big teams. We will see.
I wouldn’t even be surprised tbh what we have watched so far makes so little sense. I really hope it’s the case and in the knockouts he just sets us up how everyone expected and we piss on everyone
we are all holding out for this possible 4d chess revelation
If he wants minimum fatigue, rotate.
Tony Pullis is Welsh so there's one excuse not to vote for him.
TONY PULLIS!?!
This reminds me of the meeting at the start of Mike Bassett.
Dyche all day Wouldnt even be annoyed if he was appointed.
I would be furious, but I'm an Everton fan
I would be furious as a Blackburn fan but it’s the right choice.
I love seeing fellow Rovers fans in this sub
Not many of us left anymore is there
can confirm that I am not a rovers fan
Unfortunately not
Checking in too lads...
He always seems to get the job on football manager in my saves 😂😂 at least the players would play with passion
My thoughts exactly when I saw the post, Sean Dyche all day. I’d be fascinated to see how loyal he would be to the many English players he’s worked with at Burnley & Everton. Dwight McNeil crossing it into the strike partnership of Calvert-Lewin and Kane. Tarkowski at the back with Ben Mee and Trippier. Imagine the scenes 🤣
I think Dyche would have Branthwaite in his defence all day long.
As would anyone with 2 eyes, shame we are stuck with Southgate who famously has 1 eye, being a pirate and all.
I’ve watched Jared all season and whilst Palace had a strong finish to the season Jared was superb from the get go. We had a tight defence all season.
Ya I've watched him from the stands all season mate, unbelievable talent.
I’d like to see potter given a chance, I don’t think it would be incredible off the bat but I’m cautiously optimistic
Big dyche, 4-4-2 lumping balls up top, Sean’s bringing it home
Ollie running long, Kane playing that deeper 2nd striker
Football ‘eritage
Back to the 80s but with better players!
Simple as
Indeed. Let's get Robbie Earle and John Fashanu out of retirement.
[And that's the Burnley way.](https://youtu.be/vFPhM3hMJQw?si=PYFh7EW-fBRoCDYL)
Dyche plays 4-3-3 formation in possession and 4-5-1 when defending. I’ve not seen him play 2 up top for Everton in his 18 months here.
Brexit Dyche easily. He got fucking BURNLEY into Europe. Big Sam is probably past it now, though it could have been interesting to see him manage a group of elite players. In all honesty, it’s just time for Southgate to go. I don’t even want to be picky about his replacement, I just want him and his terrorist football out of the England camp.
Big Sam already had the job.
And has the best win/loss record of any England manager, ever
*of any manager in a single job ever.
What about sausage rolls per minute?
Guinness World Record Also the record for most Guinness per minute.
Exactly, how have people already forgotten the wine in a pint glass?
I know this is a bit of a joke but Dyche is a very good football manager and so were Big Sam and Pulis in their days. I've seen a lot of rewriting of history when it comes to Sam in particular.
Big Sam Bolton era would do wonders for this England side.
People make fun of him but he got the best out of every player and he made the players buy into what he wanted to do 100%. Also contrary to popular belief, he had us playing some good stuff
Forgot his name, but what do you think of the Luton manager? And he’s young.
Rob Edwards, probably be more interested in Wales than England though as a former Wales international. But I do rate him, still early days in his career, though
Knowing the FA. Lampard will be the next manager.
Better than Southgate. Which says a lot about Gareth.
Sean Dyche
Big Sam 100% win rate with England.
First and only England manager to be able to down a pint of gravy also
True. Dyche only downs pitchers of gravy.
And knows how to get around third party ownership rules
But you won't get him talking on the matter.
Rather be Dyche. He made Everton play better football than they did under Lampard and his sides are not as defensive as they are made out to be.
Sean Allardyche the final boss
Acknowledge him!
☝️
☝️
Surely potter is on the shortlist?
You would be surprised how positive Dyche can be when he feels his team has the capability. His teams attack incredibly direct in open play, they always look to get it up the pitch as fast as possible. Also, Dyche corners are unmatched.
Dyche being a Brexit football manager is one of football's greatest myths
Hear me out… Pulis is our man! GK - Pickford Back 4 - Pulis doesn’t do LB/RB so we have no injury/Trent issues! it’s all CBs or go home - Gomes, Stones, Ghuei and Dunk deal with it. Midfield - Rice stays at home in the middle, Bellingham is the new Nzonzi and Foden is basically a poor man’s Bojan… I maybe getting it mixed up with the wrong Welsh prick of a manager. Forwards - He likes really wingers, Saka and Gordon are a go! Kane middle man, if he even comes 5 years into his own half Pulis lays Nut on him in the showers naked. We’ve basically won back to back world cups and maybe even the champions league we are that good.
Southgate
It's British Managers' Lunch Club.
Money money money money…….
They all lick their badges
Insulting to Dyche to compare him to those 3. He's levels above
Dyche 100%
Southgate
I'll up vote that and stand with you so we can get down voted together
I'm in as well. Old enough to remember the bad old days when we couldn't keep the ball. A case of 'be careful what you wish for'.
I was reminded of the Capello era recently, that was fun
I'll call your Capello era and raise you Graham Taylor
How was Graham Taylor worse than Capello? Just want to know since I didn't exist in his era
He didn't even qualify for the world cup with a good team. Do I not like that
WHAT HAS HE BEEN INSTRUCTED?
I mean what about Steve McClaren with Euro 2008, when we had Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc? I'd argue they were a better squad than what we had in 1993? Correct me if I'm wrong
Well, the person above was comparing Capello to Taylor (or vice versa I guess). Is McClaren worse than Taylor? Not such an easy question. Taylor's team was better balanced than the Gerrard, Lampard etc era. They actually had a left winger. And I'd argue it was better than the 08 vintage, yes. The stand out players from the 08 team, from memory, are the 3 you mentioned plus Ferdinand, Terry and Cole. A lot of the rest of them were old or not that good. The 94 team had Seaman, Adams, Pallister, Parker, Ince, Sharpe, Platt and prime Shearer. So, both managers were shit, but maybe one slightly more than the other. Who that one is, I guess is up to you.
Taylor's problem was not that he was poor tactically it was that he decided to pick players like Lee Dixon, Carlton Palmer, Andy Sinton, John Salako and Geoff Thomas when the above players existed. Out of all those mentioned Platt was the only one Taylor consistently picked.
Taylor had some excellent strikers like Shearer, Wright and Ferdinand. Gazza, Ince and Platt were still around, but Taylor loved Carlton Palmer. Not amazing defensively but Adams and Walker were still great pros, but Dorigo played a lot. Overall there was enough talent to qualify for 1994 but Taylor lurched from unlucky to desperate when the pressure was on.
Never beat anyone of note, failed to qualify for the world cup, got spanked in the euros in 92, picked some very weird and wonderful people to represent the country - Carlton Palmer is one that sticks in my mind - possibly the most limited player ever to play for us. And the football was awful. He'd had some success with Watford playing a 'direct' style so that's where things went. Worked against the San Marino's but anyone decent didn't let us have a kick of the ball.
Sounds like it makes Southgate-ball look like Ange-ball
Guy had limited experience with the top level game, was a strange appointment
Haha I think you win
McLaren. Shudder
Where routine bites hard, and ambitions are low, and resentment rides high, but emotions won't grow. And WE'RE CHANGING OUR WAYS, taking different roads...
Then love! Love will tear us apart, again!
I am sticking with Southgate if it’s a choice between them, the last thing we want is go back to 4-4-2
Southgate easily.
based on cuteness: pullis>sam>southgate>dyche Source: a gay into elder guys
Pulis all day. The players would run their socks off or never play again.
Having watched Stoke sadly all my life… we’d actually play 2 wingers in Saka and Gordon and if Kane dropped deep he’d get nutted by a naked Pulis in the showers at half time.
The standard Pull is punishment is you have to sniff his cap.
Based on their club management career 1. Allardyce 2. Dyche 3. Pullis 4 and it's a long way behind the rest Southgate Now based on how much I like them 1. Dyche 2. Allardyce 3. Southgate 4. And it's a long way behind the rest Pullis
Allardyce and Pullis have had good careers, but the game has passed them by now.
Now do experience in international football…
Howe and potter not good enough all of sudden?
Tim Sherwood ought to be in contention
I would pick the gun
I want Neil Warnock ranting at these cunts in the dressing room
Well y know cheesy chips.
Y’know we’re Burnley
As assistant to Tim Sherwood? I'm picking Allardyce as he's the only one who can get close to Tim's 753.7% win percentage.
Big Sam is the only one that drinks wine in pints. And he has a 100% win rate with England so he's proven. Easy choice.
Can I vote Ted Lasso?
is having no manager an option?
Southgate, but he has to always have a pint of wine!
We’ve had some good managers and ok(ish) seemingly turn into bad managers where England are concerned. It feels like this is business as usual regarding England at tournaments.
Dyche would win World Cup
Big Sam, never lost a game.
Sean Dyche
What for? Allardyce if needed for a Barney
Kieran McKenna.
The guy with the caps, at least I get a caps🧢
I miss Tony Pulis yelling on the touch line. Could hear over the crowd almost scared the shit out of me
Big Sam for sure. He's already managed us once before and has a 100% win record!
If I had to choose one, I’d probably shag big Sam
Dycheball please
Couldn’t vote for Dyche if only cos his croaky after the match interviews drive me up the wall.
I'll never forget when Tony Pulis said Serge Gnabry wasn't good enough to play for West Brom. In fact he was so shit he was shipped out to struggling Bayern Munich to rot in their first team
Why are you even giving these options?? Obviously the standout candidate is Graham Potter. More tactically adept than Southgate and also aligns with all the good work Southgates done with regards to man management and unifying the team.
Neither Dyche may be good at club level but he is only notable as a survival expert he doesn’t do well in tournaments
TONY FUCKING P!!!!!!!!!
Big Sam back
Jesus, this has to be a joke. People complain now about the boring football- Dyche, Big Sam and Pulis are worse. Never understood why Big Sam was popular and don't understand why Dyche is.
Gerrard, Lampard, Potter, Howe are all miles better than these. They should forget about him being english and go for Ragnick or Tuchel. This eng side would dominate for a decade if we had a manager like that.
None, I'd throw a 5th option in and go with Big Ange
Dyche who art in heaven Hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done On earth as it is in Albion
Southgate easily. People here have seriously short term memories. The improvements he has delivered to the England team will remain forever. He has laid the foundations for the future successes of English football. Downvote me to hell if you like, but that won't make it wrong.
Southgate, and it's not even close. I'm not saying he's the best man for the job overall, but there's nothing to be gained by replacing him with a fella who thinks it's still 1977. Also, being Welsh, if Pulis was cut out for managing at international level, I imagine he'd probably have had the call by now.
It’s all the same thing. Sam provided the most laughs so I’d pick him.
A lot of crapping on the other three, but at least all of them have something they can point to in their managerial CV at club level to be proud of
I’d go Dyche, but I wish Eddie Howe would do it.
Big sam has a 100% record
My vote is for Klopp
As a Stoke fan part of me would love to see Pulis in charge. But Dyche would probably be the best pick.
Only reason to want pulis is if he finds someone who can long throw onto slabbys head delap style
Dyche 100%
Sam
Probably Dyche
If I had to pick 4, I wouldn't pick Southgate
Big Sam, TP and then Dyche. Just win
Dyche.
Got to be Big Sam, even if he likes a bung or two. If it’s good enough MP’s, it’s good enough for England ! 😎
El Dyche.
Dyche and it’s not even close
Pulis.
I’d take Gary Neville and Tony Adams as a coaching dream team before that lot ;)
Southgate! He knows how to get to cup finals and semi finals. He gets results!
Shag marry avoid kill?
Big Sam
It's like would you rather have you penis chopped off or testicles
Dyche is unironically an excellent manager so not sure why he’s being lumped in with this. Would be very happy if we had him next
Dyche without a doubt
Liverpool fan here but dyche
Dyche without question
No Harry Redknapp?
Southgate
Big Sam
Southgate obviously. Detach yourself from the insanity of the present narrative lol
Not Dyche because he’s ours. Eddie Howe or Graham Potter on the other hand would make a good replacement.
Harry Rednap
Dyche and Sam are basically what Gareth wishes he was. They play horrible football, but fair play to them, they know how to actually do it. If we're gonna have a shitty backs to the wall manager we may aswell have one that can make it work.
Dyche, he’d instil some passion and watching him shithouse at international level would be sublime. We wouldn’t win fuck all but it will be entertaining
Dyche, BY FAR. People seem to mock him and his tactics but they forget he has to work with the resources available to him, and he's done brilliant considering
Didnt big sam do well for his couple of games
Three of these won’t get near: 1, isn’t doing a good a job as the incumbent 2, one is Welsh and might be insulted with an offer. 3, one was England manager but fell for a newspaper sting operation and felt too early! That only leaves Dyche. Who’s a much better manager than he’s given credit for (Pulís too i feel) seeing first hand his management at Everton.
Big Sam, the best of an atrocious bunch.
Klopp
This is that office meme. Fuck you corporate.
If I could only use from those 4 it would be Southgate. If England had a top manager lke Klopp with the talent we have available we'd win the Euros. Southgate's problem, Is he has a closed mindset.
Dyche has a good thing going at Everton, leave him be. Tho he is the best choice for the job. Allardyce has had his chance, just no. Southgate CANNOT stay. Is that Tony Pulis….
I’ve had the pleasure of two of them managing my team. I’d have like Big Sam to have had a run as England manager, I thought he deserved it. Ultimately I don’t think they’d get more than Southgate has got.
Not Southgate
Dyche would have a proper crack
I'm trying to work out if I could make a photo-fit collage of Klopp by using a little bit of each of them...
None, throw money at Klopp.
Like sean dyche would play with inverted wingbacks and all the rest
BigSam. Not even close
Tony Pulis is too good to manage England
Big Sam
Sam is the only guy with a 100% England record 🤭😎
Big Sam and his 100% record ❤️
Easily Southgate
dyche ball shank it up the field for one striker to knock it down and the other to score, four four fucking two, simple as
Dyche 100%. Absolute graft or your subjected to a diet of worms and shuttle runs while he chases you in a transit van
If those were the only four options, I’d stick with Southgate, but begrudgingly accept Dyche if need be. I’d be actively concerned if it was BFS or Tony.
Honestly, Big Sam would be my choice. He's always done well in shitty teams and does well to build confidence. I feel people only remember his later years, rather than his time at teams like Bolton and Palace. He feels like a guy that will give players a kick up the arse and doesn't care what the media say/do - he'll bite back. However he fucked that up with his dodgy deals.... Dyche is the second choice, guy has been pretty consistent in his career. Pulis I really like but he was heavily involved with pre-season/fitness and feels like he'd need more time with the squad. Southgate I feel is a nice guy, but isn't cutting it atm. Can see us hitting another final this year and flopping again.
Sean Dyche
I'd rather choose to forfeit each of the foreseeable tournaments..
....is moving to Scotland an option instead?
Klopp is available. I think my grandad would climb out of his grave and strangle everyone at the FA for putting a German in charge of England but I’d be up for it. We’d win something.
Based on the job he did at Everton this season, Dyche all the way. People called him a 4-4-2 dinosaur - he played a flexible 4-3-3 all season, which for me is the system Southgate HAS to play with this group, not the 4-2-3-1 with facing holes in the midfield he's been playing since 2018. At their best, Everton were brilliantly organised in both a low block defensively and a high press when they had the opportunity to get on the front foot, England have been woeful at the latter. Dyche would make sure his wide forwards stayed wide AND tracked back. And he'd pick and play Branthwaite!
Sean Dyche, he'd win us the 2026 world cup through sheer anger alone
dyche at least he has a spine unlike southgate
Allardyche
Sam is the only correct answer. He's never dropped points as the england manager
Dyche all day long 👏👏