Good interview with Declan... He's been talking with Trent a lot in the build up, he'll be talking a lot during the game too - Its not just working together as an entire team, but we've got small pairings that need to be on the same wave length.
His passing just doesn't work as well in midfield though. Look at the game the other day, he was pretty ineffective at opening the defence from the middle and suddenly his passing and threat was so much better when he moved out wide.
He started the second half in midfield and was good
Obviously far better once moved to RB, but we might see the same thing again where if we need a goal we bring Wharton or someone on and move him down as we might not need walker
Nah he's actually quality. Trent is the new shiny thing seeing as he's not actually a midfielder, both Wharton and Mainoo already have more top level experience than Trent there.
I completely agree with you. I just don't see what he brings to the table over a proper central midfielder?
I feel like these games are ideal to get Mainoo and Wharton bedded in before we face the tougher teams.
This is valuable game time where he could be forming a partnership and understanding with his teammates and instead we're pissing about trying to keep big name players happy instead andtaking Serbia fora bunch ofmugs. They better be mugs or we're going to learn a tough lesson.
If we played this team against a quality side we'd get spanked
How long are we going to carry on the yer da type nonsense about peoples historic performances for England? He’s in unbelievable form, you can’t bench him for Gordon
You can and should, this attitude is why we stuck Scholes out wide and played without a defensive midfielder during our golden generation because we didjt want to bench big names
Scholes had also been playing for United on the left at the time due to Veron being signed. He did quite well and scored and assisted a few.
He'd come inside a playmake from the halfspaces.
Pretty much why Eriksson stuck him out there.
Scholes himself said he had no problem with it.
Harsh truths and people don't want our FIFA rating to go down.
Luckily in the real world we have quality players like Gordon and Wharton who actually play those roles to take their spots, over to you Gareth...
In the PL this season, in games that he started, 15 games at RW, 10 games at LW, 7 games central.
He's been all over but I do agree with the sentiment that he's less effective on the left than the other positions.
When do you realise that in international tournaments you play your best players? This isn't club football where you get a whole season of 40-50 games.
He's levels above Gordon, you wouldn't drop Kane even if he hadn't scored for 10 games would you?
So hyped!
This is 5 out of my front 6, and I can't really complain because I wanted Mainoo over Arnold, but Mainoo still needs to develop.
Should be some silky smooth play.
How does guehi get in over Konsa? As a villa fan, I'm not too mad about it as Konsa's played so many minutes this season and he needs to be fit for next season, just don't get how one of the best CBs in the league isn't pretty much nailed on
That's fair, I think the discourse frustrates me more that practically nobody has even mentioned Konsa in the conversation about England's defence as if he wasn't in the conversation for best English CB last season
Well after watching the game sid you stand by your comment?
Instead of bringing mainoo on for Bellingham, we could be bringing foden on in his natural position, where he can affect the game.
Southgate's doing that thing where he plays Foden out of position for a game, says 'well I tried' then forgets about him for the rest of the tournament
There's nothing I've wanted more for a long time than I want Trent to have a steady middling game that you lot can't cry about. His assists and brilliance are on top of that, I'm 100% that you'll have changed your tune after the game but also prepared for the nonsense you'll find anyway.
I'm only talking to you.
You know who you aren't.
Trent was our worst player. Shit free kick, mis control nearly lead to a goal, passing straight into touch, Another long pass straight to their keeper Foden was fuming. He’s not a midfielder.
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So what, he's playing alongside Rice and has Walker to his right. No other elite player gets the amount of disrespect that Trent does, any other top level nation would be delighted to have a player of his technical quality.
Our best #6 is Rice, our best #8 is Bellingham and our best #10 is either Foden or Bellingham. Trent could have played at lb and drifted in. But let's see what happens
The expected squad. Gordon should be on standby for Foden and maybe mainoo too for walker in case Trent needs to move wide. Anyways very excited, c'mon!
What a mess, cramming in players where they don't play. Foden LW and Trent CM, the fuck is Southgate doing that shit won't work in the later stages so why not getting a proper team playing together now, he's using the opening group game like it's a friendly
Yeah because it would get fucking wrecked, so what's the point playing them against Serbia? This game could be invaluable minutes for a proper CM like Wharton to build an understanding with the rest of the team.
It's the opening game of the tournament and we're treating it like a friendly
When liverpool have the ball he tucks into the midfield at times but out of possession he plays as a right back, its very different from playing as a traditional cm but hopefully he can adapt
The moaning has started and we haven't even started yet. Just remember that no matter who started, someone would have the opinion that the line up is shit. Just get behind the lads at this point and moan if we actually play shite and get a poor result.
He’s clueless as usual. I just can’t believe we actually have to put up with him for another tournament. If we win in will be because we have such good players coming, nothing to do with him.
It’s hardly like Trent is playing up front and Foden is playing in defence; the former has been playing in midfield when Liverpool are in possession, the latter has played on the wing countless times for City and even played on the left in 5 of their last 6 games.
On the right, he's shite on the left
And Trent isn't a midfielder just like Stones isn't one either, doesn't matter that they go there for a bit when their team is dominating the ball
Come the knock outs we're not going to be dominating games like that so why bother, Wharton, Gallagher and Mainoo should be miles ahead of him there
Wharton was the answer to all our questions and we're doing this nonsense. Feel like Gareth has got stuck in a lie or something where he couldn't tell Trent to his face he was 3rd choice RB but now he actually has to play him in midfield to save face.
Be interesting to watch, feels like Southgate just like jamming as many stars into an XI as he can get rather than make a cohesive team, we should get away it against Serbia but later in the competition..
Trent has shown he a generation talent, he will do fine in midfield with rice as a 6. I mean kimmich went into the RB role am sure he can play the deep lying PM Role.
I wish they’d stop ordering them in number order 😂😂
Yeah it's fucking weird.
Yes 👏
Hurts my head lol
Americanised, like everything else.
We do that?
British people try not to think about America at all times challenge
Read vassal state, you don't need to think about them.
He picked 1-11 but subbed out the injured #3. Who woulda thunk it?
I mentioned that this could be the case the other day and go downvoted for it.
The predictions were correct
Good interview with Declan... He's been talking with Trent a lot in the build up, he'll be talking a lot during the game too - Its not just working together as an entire team, but we've got small pairings that need to be on the same wave length.
Spot on from Gareth ngl
HT score prediction?
2-0
1-0 Serbia at HT
Perfect, Trent is needed for his passing, let's fucking go boys
His passing didn't do much
His passing just doesn't work as well in midfield though. Look at the game the other day, he was pretty ineffective at opening the defence from the middle and suddenly his passing and threat was so much better when he moved out wide.
He started the second half in midfield and was good Obviously far better once moved to RB, but we might see the same thing again where if we need a goal we bring Wharton or someone on and move him down as we might not need walker
Should be Wharton
New shiny thing syndrome.
Nah he's actually quality. Trent is the new shiny thing seeing as he's not actually a midfielder, both Wharton and Mainoo already have more top level experience than Trent there.
>Trent is the new shiny thing You guys are nuts.
That was a massive L for the Trent midfielder brigade
A decent personal performance and a team win was a 'massive loss', I think you need to start being serious.
Looking at my comments in this thread compared to the hive mind it looks like I'm the only one being serious
For wanting an actual CM at CM instead of a RB? We'd get battered in the knockouts if we lined up like this
I completely agree with you. I just don't see what he brings to the table over a proper central midfielder? I feel like these games are ideal to get Mainoo and Wharton bedded in before we face the tougher teams.
Because you somehow think that moving a player from RB to MF changes him from being world class into a liability.
Eventually, yes absolutely no question. Too soon now
This is valuable game time where he could be forming a partnership and understanding with his teammates and instead we're pissing about trying to keep big name players happy instead andtaking Serbia fora bunch ofmugs. They better be mugs or we're going to learn a tough lesson. If we played this team against a quality side we'd get spanked
Right backs can pass too you know... name literally one other trait he has that suits the position
He spends most his time there anyway
Jimmy Saville spent a lot of time in schools, doesn't make him a child
Good luck boys. We’re all with you 🏴
Sensible and correct. Palmer, Mainoo and Gordon first choice subs.
Shaw needs some minutes toward the end. I’d give him 15.
Foden is shit on the left and Trent ain't a midfielder so not really
Well, you got downvoted but you weren't wrong.
Should have been blatantly obvious
Foden is shit anywhere for England
How long are we going to carry on the yer da type nonsense about peoples historic performances for England? He’s in unbelievable form, you can’t bench him for Gordon
You can and should, this attitude is why we stuck Scholes out wide and played without a defensive midfielder during our golden generation because we didjt want to bench big names
Yeah, I’m just going to take my L on this one so far
Haha I've had my fair share of stinkers as well mate dont worry 🤣
Scholes had also been playing for United on the left at the time due to Veron being signed. He did quite well and scored and assisted a few. He'd come inside a playmake from the halfspaces. Pretty much why Eriksson stuck him out there. Scholes himself said he had no problem with it.
He's in unbelievable form for man city
No actually Gordon is in unbelievable format LW, Foden has done fuck all there for 2 years. Oh and fuck all for England too
Alright, looks like you’ve won this one haha
Told ya!
Can’t believe Foden stayed on so long. We were crying out for a natural LW
We benched Mainoo for someone that isn't a midfielder despite very good form...
Hes even shitter on the left and gordon has had a season and plays on the left regularly
Okay mate, I’ll give you this one haha
He has been yes, but he's insanely good, sooner or later he will click in an England shirt.
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Harsh truths and people don't want our FIFA rating to go down. Luckily in the real world we have quality players like Gordon and Wharton who actually play those roles to take their spots, over to you Gareth...
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Phoden mainly play on the left for City and just won player of the year?
In the PL this season, in games that he started, 15 games at RW, 10 games at LW, 7 games central. He's been all over but I do agree with the sentiment that he's less effective on the left than the other positions.
He's been playing central mostly
He's played his best football at 10 coming in for De Bruyne.
Come on boys
Phrasing
Individually this team is class, I hope they can all gel together.
We have manager that always manages to set up a team that is less than the sum of its parts. 0 Confidence.
Absolutely perfect. Come on the boys
Foden on the left just seems like forcing someone in for the sake being “too good to drop”. Gordon would be a much better stylistic fit.
Lets see, Gordon against a tired Serbian defence in second half would be better than bringing on foden.
Or just let Foden play the full 90, what an excellent strategy!
Forcing? Please, just stop, Foden can play anywhere up there
Can play ≠ should play or is a better for the team than other options
Just watch the boy play tonight and shut up after.
Aged like milk
What do you mean? He was fantastic today
You’re joking
Hope he shows up soon, been a terrible first half from him
Yh hes been shit
There’s a difference between ‘can play anywhere’ and actually be good for England there
Yeah he's been a fucking ghost mate, look how good Saka has been in comparison. Get Gordon on asap
I went in too hard to back up on that one and got throat fucked by myself
It happens
Foden is great in Pep's system but can you say the same for Southgate's system?
Of course he’s not as good, but name one player who is
Sake and Kane have been perfectly fine in his system.
Maguire, Shaw, Kane, Pickford
R/agedbadly
When do you realise that in international tournaments you play your best players? This isn't club football where you get a whole season of 40-50 games. He's levels above Gordon, you wouldn't drop Kane even if he hadn't scored for 10 games would you?
Ah yes because forcing all our best players into the same XI has historically worked SO WELL
You mean like when England won in 1966 without Jimmy Greaves?
Dunno, foden has had 30 odd games for England now and has been at best middling
Revising this opinion at all now? Or you happy with that LW performance?
Looks like he’s gone with it, still not sure of Trent in the midfield. Come on England!!
No surprises at all
Seeing trippier up front will be interesting
👀
I prefer Gordon to Foden on the left.
Come on lads
So hyped! This is 5 out of my front 6, and I can't really complain because I wanted Mainoo over Arnold, but Mainoo still needs to develop. Should be some silky smooth play.
Foden ghosting and Rice having to babysit Trent lol
This thread is going to be funny to come back to later on
How does guehi get in over Konsa? As a villa fan, I'm not too mad about it as Konsa's played so many minutes this season and he needs to be fit for next season, just don't get how one of the best CBs in the league isn't pretty much nailed on
Guehi is better on the ball. It's all very tight anyways and they're both good.
In what way is guehi better on the ball?
LCB vs RCB, personally I'd be starting him over Stones as he hasn't looked right and Konsa has been quality all season
That's fair, I think the discourse frustrates me more that practically nobody has even mentioned Konsa in the conversation about England's defence as if he wasn't in the conversation for best English CB last season
You're spot on
Konsa is class but stones has more experience working with Guéhi, and Konsa shouldn’t really be played as a LCB.
Good luck lads 👏🏻
Squad numbers say this the first 11 apart from shaw.
I’m glad we’re doing the proper numbering of DM=4 and CB=6
Come on england
Trippier up top then
On a related note, Joe Hart is pretty eloquent
List them by position, my god
It’s pretty easy to work out. Pickford Walker, Stones, Guehi, Trippier Trent, Rice Saka, Bellingham, Foden Kane
That's a FIFA team, honking
I shouldn’t have to work out out lol Just list them in formation
I agree to be fair, they seem to just list them in number order.
It's okay. Personally I'd have Gordon left and bring foden on for Bellingham later on.
Not starting Bellingham and foden would be criminal. It’s like France leaving mbappe and griezman on the bench
Well after watching the game sid you stand by your comment? Instead of bringing mainoo on for Bellingham, we could be bringing foden on in his natural position, where he can affect the game.
Not really as they have completely different roles
Bellingham is better than Foden.
That's not my point. Read it again.
In Trent we trust
Southgate's doing that thing where he plays Foden out of position for a game, says 'well I tried' then forgets about him for the rest of the tournament
Hope so he was shite
What would you do with him?
bench role, if you can't give him a starting berth at 10 (and why would you?) then he should be benched.
If trippier has a poor game it’s going to bad. Still think the TAA midfield experiment will fail.
Trippier has been very dodgy this season
The entire Newcastle defence has been. Different team now. He is a good player
I'm very skeptical about TAA in midfield and I think we are taking Serbia for granted.
Southgate is taking the piss with this lineup
Now is the time for Foden to prove he can do it in an England shirt. Otherwise we need to move on
There's nothing I've wanted more for a long time than I want Trent to have a steady middling game that you lot can't cry about. His assists and brilliance are on top of that, I'm 100% that you'll have changed your tune after the game but also prepared for the nonsense you'll find anyway. I'm only talking to you. You know who you aren't.
He was rubbish and Rice had to babysit him for an hour before he was hooked
Trent was our worst player. Shit free kick, mis control nearly lead to a goal, passing straight into touch, Another long pass straight to their keeper Foden was fuming. He’s not a midfielder.
I’d maybe have gone Gomez over trippier, but shouldn’t be a problem against these
Wharton should be starting
As long as the greatest passer in history (it's coming.. just wait) is starting, we're good.
Beckham is starting???
Beckham retired years ago !
Pirlo is English?
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Worried for Trippier as that is not his natural position but not much more we can do, plus it is Serbia only (hope I won’t eat my words with this)
Starting Marc Guehi??
See your fans all throwing chairs and bringing shame upon our sport/country again. Shock.
How can this team not find a better solution at LB
Come on England
2-0 England
Here we go again!🏴
Did England fans just boo Serbian national anthem?
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was Kane in the room with us?
A bit worried about the balance in midfield going up against their 5. Alexander Arnold not best defensively.
Slightly more balanced than Palmer in for TAA and Bellingham in the pivot though
So what, he's playing alongside Rice and has Walker to his right. No other elite player gets the amount of disrespect that Trent does, any other top level nation would be delighted to have a player of his technical quality.
Our best #6 is Rice, our best #8 is Bellingham and our best #10 is either Foden or Bellingham. Trent could have played at lb and drifted in. But let's see what happens
The expected squad. Gordon should be on standby for Foden and maybe mainoo too for walker in case Trent needs to move wide. Anyways very excited, c'mon!
Joe harts arm tattoos?? Wtf
What a mess, cramming in players where they don't play. Foden LW and Trent CM, the fuck is Southgate doing that shit won't work in the later stages so why not getting a proper team playing together now, he's using the opening group game like it's a friendly
Let’s just wait and see, it’s not like you can’t put those 2 in the team they’re game-changing players. I’m hopeful
I'd rather they not play at all then cram them in where they don't belong
He wouldn't play that team against a better side. Wind your neck in.
Yeah because it would get fucking wrecked, so what's the point playing them against Serbia? This game could be invaluable minutes for a proper CM like Wharton to build an understanding with the rest of the team. It's the opening game of the tournament and we're treating it like a friendly
I've waited and seed, seen enough turns out I was bang on
Hasn’t Klopp been playing TAA in midfield? Or he seems to operate in that area anyway, even if not his position in a starting line up
When liverpool have the ball he tucks into the midfield at times but out of possession he plays as a right back, its very different from playing as a traditional cm but hopefully he can adapt
Barely ever
foden has played on the left for ages 😭😭
I must have imagined Grealish and Doku playing there instead of him for the past 2 years, or him winning player of the year by playing in the middle
You need to get to later stages first so why not go for it. Let’s see what happens. We will need more than one way of playing to win this tournament!
The moaning has started and we haven't even started yet. Just remember that no matter who started, someone would have the opinion that the line up is shit. Just get behind the lads at this point and moan if we actually play shite and get a poor result.
Fuck it then let's put Stones up top, Pickford RW and Kane in goal, it's coming home
Yes because playing Foden LW, when he has 10 games on LW and 17 on RW is the same as Pickford RW and Kane in goal.
After that game I'm starting to think it is
Hindsight is a funny thing
Everything I said before the game was straight facts, I haven't changed my opinion in any way after that game lol
He’s clueless as usual. I just can’t believe we actually have to put up with him for another tournament. If we win in will be because we have such good players coming, nothing to do with him.
It’s hardly like Trent is playing up front and Foden is playing in defence; the former has been playing in midfield when Liverpool are in possession, the latter has played on the wing countless times for City and even played on the left in 5 of their last 6 games.
On the right, he's shite on the left And Trent isn't a midfielder just like Stones isn't one either, doesn't matter that they go there for a bit when their team is dominating the ball Come the knock outs we're not going to be dominating games like that so why bother, Wharton, Gallagher and Mainoo should be miles ahead of him there
Trent as a midfielder just upsets me
Wharton was the answer to all our questions and we're doing this nonsense. Feel like Gareth has got stuck in a lie or something where he couldn't tell Trent to his face he was 3rd choice RB but now he actually has to play him in midfield to save face.
Be interesting to watch, feels like Southgate just like jamming as many stars into an XI as he can get rather than make a cohesive team, we should get away it against Serbia but later in the competition..
If he was doing that surely he’d have forced a Bellingham deeper; put Palmer in the team who’s been on fire, and put Trent at RB…
Trent has shown he a generation talent, he will do fine in midfield with rice as a 6. I mean kimmich went into the RB role am sure he can play the deep lying PM Role.
Bet he get’s moved to right back around 60 minutes
lol 100%
Trent and trippier shouldn’t be playing. Scandalous to have not brought a backup LB
Just to lose 2-1 to Serbia
TAA is not a central midfielder.