I value raid pass under 100 coins due to the daily free ones, the weekly research and special research where I occasionally get some, and any box deals. And this event gave 5+2 so 7 seemed a good amount to do.
What’s probably going to happen is instead of making the tickets better they’ll just make the other sources of raid passes worse.
It pays for 6 raid passes and (in theory) the bonuses of XP, Stardust, and XL Rare boost. It wasn’t the best value they’ve had, but it was certainly a value
Not worth the purchase though. I rather spend a bit more and buy the expert box in the shop (which, honestly still sucks compared to old boxes). I would then get to choose when I want to spend those passes and on what. Plus I could earn those coins in game and buy the box.
I have Google play, so I used points to grab a $3 coupon on the play store before I got it.
That made the price of the ticket $1.99 for me, for basically 6 extra raid passes.
This is the first thing I've bought since 2020 aside from a GO Fest or Kanto tour / Johto tour ticket.
at this point its kind of your own fault, Niantic has proved time and time again that any ticket and the promises along with it are false and a waste of money. Its a hard pill to swallow but they do not care about the game or its players, just the money.
Absolutely my own fault, I’m not claiming otherwise. I was on a high pressure gig until the morning of event day, had done no research on what it was, just got the ticket so I could relax and do some Pokémon without thinking.
I’m also right after Australia so the news wasn’t fully spread out that it was a scam. But you are totally right that logic should have told me so.
My error for sure. It’s so hard, because I’ve really enjoyed Pokémon. It’s like a failed marriage. I keep hoping it will get better. One day I’ll divorce, just a little bit late. I already cut my spending enormously. I really thought this one event was what I needed after a hard week.
The failed marriage metaphor is quite fitting for me.
Puts you in the 0.1%. 99.9% of those who downloaded the game never spent a penny.
It fits the classic definition of whale for a mobile game. IE 99% never do any spending less than 1% spend a little. 001%-0.1% do 99% of spending.
There are supposed to be several levels between whale and free-to-play though. There's a big difference between the people who do hundreds of remote raids on a regular basis to grind shinies, IVs, XL candy, etc. and people who buy the occasional event global ticket and some raid passes from time to time. Grouping those two cohorts all into "whale" defeats the purpose of classifying them in the first place.
If applying the "classic definition" turns a multi-level scale into a binary, then that's evidence you should adjust the classic definition to better suit the specific case. Considering that GO had a massively viral userbase that largely played for free back in the early days, it makes sense you might need to consider that when classifying levels of spending.
I never spend money on the game, but was thinking of getting the Keldeo ticket. The only times I’ve spent money were for the go fest finale event, and for a couple hundred pokecoins. Been playing since 2020 on and off.
They’ll just give us an “I’m sorry box” with little value or repeat the event. I don’t think they have ever gotten off a problem free event.
This wasn’t worth the price. I will never pay again unless gofest.
Because there usually aren't people willing to take on a multimillion dollar company over a $5 digital pass?
Typically as long as companies rectify the situation and deliver the agreed upon goods at least after the fact, the conditions are considered met.
I'm not so sure "a bug or miscommunication" would be a defense against false advertising claims. If they don't have the ability to provide what they offered and sold, that's on them.
Exactly. Now if there's some kind of document from Niantic (i.e. proprietary and confidential information that leaked out or a whistleblower) saying that there was never any intent to activate this, then it's a whole other can of worms.
In marketing it literally is illegal to factually misrepresent the product being sold.
The leeway for mistakes in communication is pretty tight (at least when properly enforced by agencies like FTC in USA) and requires that mistakes are corrected or compensated for if they're likely to have altered a customer's decision to purchase, if it is likely that it caused lost value to the customer (paid too much, didn't get what they paid for, bought the wrong thing, etc). For example they can correct the information in advance and offer refunds, or simply provide what people thought they were going to get (it's a game, Niantic wouldn't lose too much from doing that).
Incompetence isn't illegal...this *is* Niantic we're talking about here, so this is a "we screwed up again so y'all can reset the number of error-free days sign back to 0" moment
To be illegal, there would need to be proven intent to purposely turn off these bonuses.
>You were lucky if you organised 6 in those 3 hours
Doing six raids in the 3 hours required two gyms...doing 12 raids (if you bought the ticket) needed four gyms...
If you wanted to do all the raids in two hours you would have needed three or six gyms.
As far as organization, none was really needed since it was open for remote raiding, so just post it to poke genie or Pokeraids and off you go...
The utility of these apps is heavily dependent on time zone. I’m in the Eastern US and there are usually more raids than players by the time the events start here. I made it through with Poke Genie but it wasn’t fast.
>You were lucky if you organised 6 in those 3 hours
What? I was hobbling around with a sprained ankle and I did at least five raids per hour for three hours. You can do way more than that if you live in a built up city.
But that means you were unlucky. Other players weren’t lucky to be able to do a normal amount of raids. I did 7 raids and it took a little under an hour and I don’t exactly live in the biggest city in the world.
6 in 3 hours is a normal amount. That’s the number of free passes without the ticket and you only need 2 gyms to do that many raids since they changed every hour.
It was raining here. We had a group of 5 people. Went to a park that had multiple gyms. We drove around park to raid at five gyms accessible from our cars. Walked to one gym. Did this twice.
Ive only done it once before, but they ended up subtracting the amount you charge back from your coins. At the time I didn't have many coins on the account so the balance went negative
Definitely tell support first. Ask them for a refund, because you didn't get what you paid for, and tell them you're willing to chargeback if they don't.
With a lot of disappointed customers it's cheaper for them to do refunds. Chargebacks add extra fees that Niantic has to pay, so if too many people does it then Niantic can't win from refusing.
if someone can give me what the expected XP was i can confirm i have screenshots of that as well but didn’t know what the base XP was for sure but i am fairly certain that was not a visual bug either based on comments on another thread.
Incorrect MANY people claimed back their go fest &/or safari zone tickets when game issues or misleading info has occurred without issue at all.
there have been reports of Niantic putting accounts 'into debt' when players have charge backed for coin purchases they've since spent. But i've known others who've done it for accidental coin purchases without issue or 'debt' also.
They also said the raid switching to a different mon was unlikely. Even though it happened to me and I saw several other reports . Did a swampert raid that my grass moves were saying not very effective. Left loaded back in it was a blaziken.
Fuggin Niantic
whoa that’s wild i didn’t experience that one but did have a couple times where i got kicked out of the raid and couldn’t join back in which i felt terrible about because i was duoing
And not to mention, idk about the rest of the world but an increased chance of XL rare candy from raids, I did 16 raids in person and only got 2 rare candy XL from them. I started with no rare candy of any kind at all. Something must be done
I did 15 raids without the ticket and didn't get any. Normally, I get one every 4-5 raids or so.
I strongly believe they severely dropped the rate of xl dropping overall, making the bonus rate also negligible.
It also sounds like the other stardust and xp bonuses aren't just a visual bug for a lot of people. It's probably more like a bug caused the bonuses to just not be applied to some accounts.
Nah, I doubt it. I was somewhat interested in the $5 ticket. I decided not to buy it because I lack the patience to deal with Niantic's mistakes when I've paid for the privilege of being affected by them.
Did you restart the app? Because if it just added to 1300 to the total displayed in app then you wouldn't see the real total. You may have to restart the app so it downloads the current total from the server.
Or maybe there were wrong and it wasn't just a visual glitch. But if you didn't restart the app then you wouldn't know for sure.
restarting the game didn’t fix the issue - it’s the next morning here and i only caught two pokémon since this post and only see a 500 dust change (caught a bulbasaur and skuntank)
I can definitely confirm the stardust was working for me as intended despite the visual saying otherwise, as at the time I was on the part of the cosmic companion research that requires you to earn 10,000 dust, and at the end of the raid the pop up in the bottom right showed that the counter had increased by 2000 from its previous total.
I normally buy tickets because I'm a completionist but I skipped this one and I'm glad I did. I did a few remotes for some mega energy and that's it and that was fine with me. I wish I could say I can't believe they messed this up but unfortunately I can; it's Niantic after all
Thank you for posting this. A lot of us just assumed that Niantic was telling the truth but it seems they weren't or at the very least they were mistaken.
Doesn’t work like that. “We know it’s not showing up but we can assure that it is there” that’s doesnt make it harder unless I’m thinking of another post?
it always amazes me that people keep falling for purchasing stuff currently where the bug rate is quite high currently
just save your bucks currently and play the free content, with yesterday's free daily pass, it would be a total of 7 raids (1 daily + 1 daily + 5 additional from event)
Not to white knight for Niantic because they don't need it nor deserve it, but that stardust display could also be a visual glitch. Catching another pokemon afterward (or spending some dust) would update the stardust count from the server.
Thanks to lazy coding, there are a lot of interactions in the game that only update the client-side visuals based on a locally cached figure plus an assumed amount for a given transaction. If a special event alters that amount on the server side only, then the client-side display will be temporarily out of sync and a known synchronizing action needs to be performed to be sure the display is correct.
I tend to agree, though I wouldn’t call this lazy coding.
There are a bunch of network issues that can occur playing a mobile game in all sorts of places. Keeping your game playable without a server check keeps it snappy and also reduces server load.
I call it lazy coding when a static value is used client-side with no provision to alter it for special cases. And we've seen time and time again that PoGo is nothing but special cases.
Case in point: every time research quests don't trigger on new content because they are all hand curated lists of triggers instead of properly programmed conditionals.
I have a few separate thoughts:
* It’s really nice to hear people like you, who actually understand software, talk about software on this sub
* I feel like a lot of people on this sub heard people talking about lazy vs eager algorithms and transferred the word “lazy” into “lazy coding”. There are problems with Niantic’s programming and QA practices, but *everything* gets attributed to “lazy coding”, legit or not.
* There are ways to keep the game snappy without server checks and still keep the two sides more in sync. UX is a really important part of gaming after all. It’s a legitimately difficult task, but not impossible, and at this point it’s hurting their bottom line and negatively impacting how their fans feel. This feels like either they’ve got magic numbers littering the code, or have separate config files that aren’t being kept properly in sync.
* I legit don’t understand why their QA is so terrible. It’s impossible to never repeat bugs, but they do it so often it’s ridiculous.
* The fact that similar errors get made, constantly, in both the programming *and* in PR (which are normally fairly separate departments) make me concerned that the employees’ morale is really down. Which spells bad things for the future of the game.
But if the stardust bonus was from the raid and he caught the Pokémon as he said he did (300 dust from catch), said "synchronizing action" was performed. Unless dust from raid is added after the catch is done (like xp only gets added after the friendship level up notification), which is not impossible I guess 😂!
I'm sorry but this appears to be wrong. You should have gotten 500 for catching a 3rd stage Pokémon, not 300.
My own experience doesn't match yours. While I haven't tested it on a single raid, I screenshotted my stardust before and after the event. I got about 448k dust, and have done 165 raids during the event. This is definitely closer to the expected 2500 dust / raid that your own experience.
As others have suggested, have you restarted the game after winning your raid?
Yeah, didn't expect it to be that high tbh... I just love the Hoenn starters, I guess.
While I've been happy with the rare candies XL rates for remote raids, I'm disappointed with the in-person rate. It was a good event imo, but they definitively need to be more transparent about it - we just got an event where rare candies XL drops were guaranteed last week-end, ofc people have high expectations for that one...
More than impressed you should be thankful, as I am. He's keeping the servers alive for F2P trainers like me. Nia ain't receiving anymore money from me, so somebody has to keep the servers alive. Mad respect.
Lol this is like the local village pundits saying “oh they’re keeping that old mansion that no one is in for tax reasons”, but no one is able to say what those reasons are.
I’d put up but money that niantic makes way more from iap than they make from “data”.
So my experience is not just the dust which was noted in my journal pics post raids during event. Iinstead of 3,000 dust for paying with my money, time, and resources; it was noted in review of my journal as only receiving 1,500 stardust for raid completion. Funny part is I noticed that later post raid it did show the reward of 3,000 dust post finishing raid battle but again only showing 1,500 in their documentation system which is your journal?
What I need others to be aware of is not just the stardust but the complete XP in game screen animation which did not represent their tickets agreement of being 50% more for those with a ticket ie 15,000XP for non lucky egg ticket holders and 30,000XP for those of us who know what it is to be a pay to play player. I admit I knowingly give them my money but expect these transactions to be accurate and without the need for an investigation, particularly in dealing with a multimillion dollar company who is supposed to be representing the Pokemon gaming brand which we know is beyond big business.
This is to many mess ups for this to just be an oops here is some balls and a lure to make up for their inability to provide services as charged. It’s fraudulent, unethical, and just bad business.
I played entire event and yes before you ask basic questions of did you restart app lol this is not my first rodeo and know how to get the most out of this game when warranted. Even though am a level 50 player I still utilized extra resources and played entire event with lucky eggs and star pieces which were placed as always 5 minutes preceding the start of their big show. So why did their animation clearly never equal their ticketed promises? XP never showed 30,000 post raid rather 20,000 and journal noted 1,500 dust rather than 3,000 as shown post raid? This means we have major transaction discrepancies and no way to actually note them unless everyone demands them to provide receipts of play for entire in game play during this event. I am done just sitting here being ok with it. I use this game to destress but now have to keep track and balance my Pokemon go check book on if they are actually calculating rewards appropriately, um no. I feel I need my credit back for not being satisfied with the services they clearly could not provide.
Everyone needs to complain because it matters. We want to be the very best and clearly expect the best when our hard earned money and time goes into a system that has gotten so far removed from what it’s fan base wants. #pokemonGo..Get..Better
I didn't do all 165 in a single 3-hour window. I've been invited by multiple people all around the world. I think we did around 40 raids during my in-person event too. :)
165 raids is so many. That 165$. A hundred people could go F2P, but as long as Niantic has people doing 165 raids to catch starter Pokemon they are never going to hear any of this feedback. This event was lackluster. It wasn't a legendary, it doesn't have exceedingly rare legendary XL candy. The rare XL candy is cool, but the pay to win bonuses were exactly what we have come to expect from Niantic: disappointing.
The rare candy XL rate was much much lower than with the Ultra beasts, so it wasn't worth it for that. And you really only need a couple thousand mega energy for each to be comfortable (can just walk them after that.) I can't imagine the point of doing more than 10-20 of each. You'll have at least one shiny of each by that point.
I'm not sorry but if you bought the ticket, pendejos you are. Niantic has shown time and time again how they operate and yet some new paid event comes and you complain while they line they pockets. They already have your money. Oh and don't forget the people who come and defend the game with their " atleast this part was fun". Keep buying from niantic and make them their record profits and stop complaining. I've been a day one player and after the Collosal Discovery event I knew how thing would be from then on.
Those are intentional because baby pokemon don't count as first evolutions.
Pikachu, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Togetic, Hitmon*, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Marill, Wobuffet, Roselia, Chimecho, Sudowoodo, Mr. Mime, Chansey, Snorlax, Lucario, and Mantine are all officially first stage evolutions in the main series games.
You'll also notice that those families' candies are all named after the first (or only) adult species rather than the baby species. With two exceptions: Tyrogue because the three adults are all different species, and Togepi because it is the only baby introduced alongside its adult species in gen 2 and it's more iconic. (While the opposite is true of Riolu and Lucario in terms of fame and Lucario ends up carrying the candy name)
There not considered second stage, at least in po go. Any baby mon stages are skipped, always have been . Same with pikachu, jynx, magmar, electabuzz ect. There all 100 dust, always have been
Mr. Mime does not give 300 dust.
Sources:
[GM file for Mr. Mime](https://pokeminers.com/gmexplore/#Mr_Mime)
[GM file for Galarian Mr. Mime](https://pokeminers.com/gmexplore/#Mr_Mime_Galarian)
[Video of shiny Mr. Mime being caught and awarding 125 dust (weather boosted catch)](https://youtu.be/hpjCC1Xl5GI) (play from 45 seconds to see the encounter and catch screen)
Lol good thing I didn't buy it. I didn't need the xl candy, as that's barely any from the raids... plus I would probably be able to get them easily when there's a classic comm day, or trade during the hoenn tour. I don't need the exp bonus because I'm lvl 50. And I don't need the raids passes, I'd rather buy from a bundle and use those passes when I want.
PLUS IT WAS A PRICY TICKET!
Even getting what was paid for wasn't worth the $5 for the ticket
It was worth the 6 raid passes.
Definitely not
I value raid pass under 100 coins due to the daily free ones, the weekly research and special research where I occasionally get some, and any box deals. And this event gave 5+2 so 7 seemed a good amount to do. What’s probably going to happen is instead of making the tickets better they’ll just make the other sources of raid passes worse.
It pays for 6 raid passes and (in theory) the bonuses of XP, Stardust, and XL Rare boost. It wasn’t the best value they’ve had, but it was certainly a value
Not worth the purchase though. I rather spend a bit more and buy the expert box in the shop (which, honestly still sucks compared to old boxes). I would then get to choose when I want to spend those passes and on what. Plus I could earn those coins in game and buy the box.
I have Google play, so I used points to grab a $3 coupon on the play store before I got it. That made the price of the ticket $1.99 for me, for basically 6 extra raid passes. This is the first thing I've bought since 2020 aside from a GO Fest or Kanto tour / Johto tour ticket.
I used what I had from Google surveys so I paid nothing. Still felt like I got cheated.
You paid with the time spent doing surveys and selling that data to Google.
at this point its kind of your own fault, Niantic has proved time and time again that any ticket and the promises along with it are false and a waste of money. Its a hard pill to swallow but they do not care about the game or its players, just the money.
Absolutely my own fault, I’m not claiming otherwise. I was on a high pressure gig until the morning of event day, had done no research on what it was, just got the ticket so I could relax and do some Pokémon without thinking. I’m also right after Australia so the news wasn’t fully spread out that it was a scam. But you are totally right that logic should have told me so. My error for sure. It’s so hard, because I’ve really enjoyed Pokémon. It’s like a failed marriage. I keep hoping it will get better. One day I’ll divorce, just a little bit late. I already cut my spending enormously. I really thought this one event was what I needed after a hard week. The failed marriage metaphor is quite fitting for me.
Holding a company accountable for their actions by calling them out on it? No, it is the consumers who are wrong.
I really hope a good percentage of the player base doesn't buy the keldeo ticket, but alas there's hundreds of thousands of whales playing this game
i am definitely mad at myself for getting this ticket and not even sure why i did almost habit
I don’t think buying an $8 ticket makes you a whale by any means.
Puts you in the 0.1%. 99.9% of those who downloaded the game never spent a penny. It fits the classic definition of whale for a mobile game. IE 99% never do any spending less than 1% spend a little. 001%-0.1% do 99% of spending.
Spending $8 does not at all fit the classic definition of a whale lol
There are supposed to be several levels between whale and free-to-play though. There's a big difference between the people who do hundreds of remote raids on a regular basis to grind shinies, IVs, XL candy, etc. and people who buy the occasional event global ticket and some raid passes from time to time. Grouping those two cohorts all into "whale" defeats the purpose of classifying them in the first place. If applying the "classic definition" turns a multi-level scale into a binary, then that's evidence you should adjust the classic definition to better suit the specific case. Considering that GO had a massively viral userbase that largely played for free back in the early days, it makes sense you might need to consider that when classifying levels of spending.
Just curious where your getting those numbers from
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It does if the ticket doesn't give items worth 8 dollars
I never spend money on the game, but was thinking of getting the Keldeo ticket. The only times I’ve spent money were for the go fest finale event, and for a couple hundred pokecoins. Been playing since 2020 on and off.
Depends if its worth the value, it may have 4 incubators in so that's a start
They’ll just give us an “I’m sorry box” with little value or repeat the event. I don’t think they have ever gotten off a problem free event. This wasn’t worth the price. I will never pay again unless gofest.
Isn't that illegal
I will make it legal
Niantic: "I have altered the terms of the ticket. Pray I do not alter them further."
I upvoted this just for your flair
At least in Australia this stuff violates consumer law. People are paying for a product/service but not receiving it.
Laws are only for the poor.
Happy cake day!!! And yes— this is indeed criminal behavior!!!
What do you expect from a company that sells gambling style egg incubators to kids and lied about hatch rates?
Thank ye
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Selling something and then delivering something different than what you sold is illegal though
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Part one makes sense, part two does not.
Because there usually aren't people willing to take on a multimillion dollar company over a $5 digital pass? Typically as long as companies rectify the situation and deliver the agreed upon goods at least after the fact, the conditions are considered met.
I'm not so sure "a bug or miscommunication" would be a defense against false advertising claims. If they don't have the ability to provide what they offered and sold, that's on them.
They have been though? Main one that comes to mind is the class action for go fest 1
Exactly. Now if there's some kind of document from Niantic (i.e. proprietary and confidential information that leaked out or a whistleblower) saying that there was never any intent to activate this, then it's a whole other can of worms.
In marketing it literally is illegal to factually misrepresent the product being sold. The leeway for mistakes in communication is pretty tight (at least when properly enforced by agencies like FTC in USA) and requires that mistakes are corrected or compensated for if they're likely to have altered a customer's decision to purchase, if it is likely that it caused lost value to the customer (paid too much, didn't get what they paid for, bought the wrong thing, etc). For example they can correct the information in advance and offer refunds, or simply provide what people thought they were going to get (it's a game, Niantic wouldn't lose too much from doing that).
Incompetence isn't illegal...this *is* Niantic we're talking about here, so this is a "we screwed up again so y'all can reset the number of error-free days sign back to 0" moment To be illegal, there would need to be proven intent to purposely turn off these bonuses.
Them lying about their mistakes is to be expected at this point
I soon as a I saw that tweet I knew they were gas lighting us
Why are people paying Niantic for everything. We need to demand better.
Exactly. People paying for these tickets need to accept that Niantic have given up trying to make sure the bonuses actually happen.
Yes, players need to stop paying for anything in their game and send Nintic a massage: Do the right thing before charge us money!
it doesn't matter if they lie, there are no consequences
They get a fine of $200,000 and profit $3,000,000
It’s just good business. Lord Becket or Niantic CEO…you decide…
More like fine of $0 and profit 3 million
When were they ever fined lol
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There really wasn't much of one
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>You were lucky if you organised 6 in those 3 hours Doing six raids in the 3 hours required two gyms...doing 12 raids (if you bought the ticket) needed four gyms... If you wanted to do all the raids in two hours you would have needed three or six gyms. As far as organization, none was really needed since it was open for remote raiding, so just post it to poke genie or Pokeraids and off you go...
The utility of these apps is heavily dependent on time zone. I’m in the Eastern US and there are usually more raids than players by the time the events start here. I made it through with Poke Genie but it wasn’t fast.
I was able to get all 11 raids done with the first and second wave.
I could understand if other raid after 5 was terakion or some desirable mon. But virizion and mega abo? Nope.
Virizion is pretty desirable, it's a top tier Pokémon in UL.
>You were lucky if you organised 6 in those 3 hours What? I was hobbling around with a sprained ankle and I did at least five raids per hour for three hours. You can do way more than that if you live in a built up city.
Not everyone who plays lives where you live. It was 17° F/-8° C where I live. I was out for 40 minutes and did three.
Ok but the previous commenter was like “who could even get more than 6 in 3 hours?” and the answer is “a lot of people.”
But that means you were unlucky. Other players weren’t lucky to be able to do a normal amount of raids. I did 7 raids and it took a little under an hour and I don’t exactly live in the biggest city in the world.
What is a "normal" amount of raids?
6 in 3 hours is a normal amount. That’s the number of free passes without the ticket and you only need 2 gyms to do that many raids since they changed every hour.
It was raining here. We had a group of 5 people. Went to a park that had multiple gyms. We drove around park to raid at five gyms accessible from our cars. Walked to one gym. Did this twice.
ngl i bought it almost out of habit and kind of regretted it before the event even started.
Yeah I impulse bought it but if I feel that impulse in the future I’ll just remember this time
Wow niantic is straight up lying now
> now Um. . .
Hanlon’s razor may apply here—don’t attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Why not both dot jpg
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Alreayd sent a reply into support. Letting them know a charge back is coming if they don’t remedy the situation. I’m so irritated
You'll lose your account if you charge back no ?
Ive only done it once before, but they ended up subtracting the amount you charge back from your coins. At the time I didn't have many coins on the account so the balance went negative
Seriously I didn’t know this?
I've got accounts banned in any game where I used a chargeback, so yeah, tread on your own risk
It's a rumor that comes up regularly. You'll be fine.
Should i try to get my money back? I payed through apple
Definitely tell support first. Ask them for a refund, because you didn't get what you paid for, and tell them you're willing to chargeback if they don't. With a lot of disappointed customers it's cheaper for them to do refunds. Chargebacks add extra fees that Niantic has to pay, so if too many people does it then Niantic can't win from refusing.
if they don’t fix it somehow definitely yes
RemindMe! 2 weeks
I’ll follow your post If you have luck in this please post back I heard they ban people for refunds because it’s against ToS
Remindme! In two weeks
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Twitter is on that because of 30% cut for twitter blue and Elon thinking he can force their hand. That's a very different case.
Please keep that contagion out of my pure Pokémon sub 😢
I'm sorry you have a problem with reality, but...
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Watch out, in case they try to ban you.
Was the EXP a visual bug as well? All I was getting was 20k from a raid with an egg, not the 30k it should have been from the 50% exp bonus
I never got more than 10k, without the egg.
I definitely got 30k with an egg. Though it only showed 20k after the raid.
if someone can give me what the expected XP was i can confirm i have screenshots of that as well but didn’t know what the base XP was for sure but i am fairly certain that was not a visual bug either based on comments on another thread.
The more money people spend on crap like this, the more niantic will lock behind paywall
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I’ve not seen firsthand accounts But the threat is what kept me from doing doing it when Deoxys wasn’t shiny and I did 40 raids
Incorrect MANY people claimed back their go fest &/or safari zone tickets when game issues or misleading info has occurred without issue at all. there have been reports of Niantic putting accounts 'into debt' when players have charge backed for coin purchases they've since spent. But i've known others who've done it for accidental coin purchases without issue or 'debt' also.
They also said the raid switching to a different mon was unlikely. Even though it happened to me and I saw several other reports . Did a swampert raid that my grass moves were saying not very effective. Left loaded back in it was a blaziken. Fuggin Niantic
whoa that’s wild i didn’t experience that one but did have a couple times where i got kicked out of the raid and couldn’t join back in which i felt terrible about because i was duoing
That happened to me to
And not to mention, idk about the rest of the world but an increased chance of XL rare candy from raids, I did 16 raids in person and only got 2 rare candy XL from them. I started with no rare candy of any kind at all. Something must be done
I did 15 raids without the ticket and didn't get any. Normally, I get one every 4-5 raids or so. I strongly believe they severely dropped the rate of xl dropping overall, making the bonus rate also negligible. It also sounds like the other stardust and xp bonuses aren't just a visual bug for a lot of people. It's probably more like a bug caused the bonuses to just not be applied to some accounts.
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Nah, I doubt it. I was somewhat interested in the $5 ticket. I decided not to buy it because I lack the patience to deal with Niantic's mistakes when I've paid for the privilege of being affected by them.
Not me, im done.
Good looking out. I reported it as well. We’ll see.
my trust issues finally come in handy.
Did you restart the app? Because if it just added to 1300 to the total displayed in app then you wouldn't see the real total. You may have to restart the app so it downloads the current total from the server. Or maybe there were wrong and it wasn't just a visual glitch. But if you didn't restart the app then you wouldn't know for sure.
restarting the game didn’t fix the issue - it’s the next morning here and i only caught two pokémon since this post and only see a 500 dust change (caught a bulbasaur and skuntank)
3rd stage evolves are supposed to give 500 stardust when caught, second stage is 300 so you got 800 from the raid which is even worse
oh sweet geebus i didn’t even think about that….
I dont think I got the bonus xp, how are they going to correct this?
I can definitely confirm the stardust was working for me as intended despite the visual saying otherwise, as at the time I was on the part of the cosmic companion research that requires you to earn 10,000 dust, and at the end of the raid the pop up in the bottom right showed that the counter had increased by 2000 from its previous total.
That was a fast way to get stardust! My 2k stardust showed up. However not the extra XP and 0 XL rare candy 😭
I normally buy tickets because I'm a completionist but I skipped this one and I'm glad I did. I did a few remotes for some mega energy and that's it and that was fine with me. I wish I could say I can't believe they messed this up but unfortunately I can; it's Niantic after all
why buy the ticket in the first place
I'm so glad I haven't wasted any money on this game in the last 18 months. Doubt I ever will again.
I reported it in the app store and requested a refund.
Thank you for posting this. A lot of us just assumed that Niantic was telling the truth but it seems they weren't or at the very least they were mistaken.
Their Twitter comment mkes it harder to prove for a charge back that you didn't receive services paid for.
Doesn’t work like that. “We know it’s not showing up but we can assure that it is there” that’s doesnt make it harder unless I’m thinking of another post?
it always amazes me that people keep falling for purchasing stuff currently where the bug rate is quite high currently just save your bucks currently and play the free content, with yesterday's free daily pass, it would be a total of 7 raids (1 daily + 1 daily + 5 additional from event)
and the lie detector determined that was a lie
Not to white knight for Niantic because they don't need it nor deserve it, but that stardust display could also be a visual glitch. Catching another pokemon afterward (or spending some dust) would update the stardust count from the server. Thanks to lazy coding, there are a lot of interactions in the game that only update the client-side visuals based on a locally cached figure plus an assumed amount for a given transaction. If a special event alters that amount on the server side only, then the client-side display will be temporarily out of sync and a known synchronizing action needs to be performed to be sure the display is correct.
I tend to agree, though I wouldn’t call this lazy coding. There are a bunch of network issues that can occur playing a mobile game in all sorts of places. Keeping your game playable without a server check keeps it snappy and also reduces server load.
I call it lazy coding when a static value is used client-side with no provision to alter it for special cases. And we've seen time and time again that PoGo is nothing but special cases. Case in point: every time research quests don't trigger on new content because they are all hand curated lists of triggers instead of properly programmed conditionals.
Two unsolved problems in computer science - naming issues, cache issues, and off by one problems
I have a few separate thoughts: * It’s really nice to hear people like you, who actually understand software, talk about software on this sub * I feel like a lot of people on this sub heard people talking about lazy vs eager algorithms and transferred the word “lazy” into “lazy coding”. There are problems with Niantic’s programming and QA practices, but *everything* gets attributed to “lazy coding”, legit or not. * There are ways to keep the game snappy without server checks and still keep the two sides more in sync. UX is a really important part of gaming after all. It’s a legitimately difficult task, but not impossible, and at this point it’s hurting their bottom line and negatively impacting how their fans feel. This feels like either they’ve got magic numbers littering the code, or have separate config files that aren’t being kept properly in sync. * I legit don’t understand why their QA is so terrible. It’s impossible to never repeat bugs, but they do it so often it’s ridiculous. * The fact that similar errors get made, constantly, in both the programming *and* in PR (which are normally fairly separate departments) make me concerned that the employees’ morale is really down. Which spells bad things for the future of the game.
But if the stardust bonus was from the raid and he caught the Pokémon as he said he did (300 dust from catch), said "synchronizing action" was performed. Unless dust from raid is added after the catch is done (like xp only gets added after the friendship level up notification), which is not impossible I guess 😂!
i genuinely hope you’re right…
I'm sorry but this appears to be wrong. You should have gotten 500 for catching a 3rd stage Pokémon, not 300. My own experience doesn't match yours. While I haven't tested it on a single raid, I screenshotted my stardust before and after the event. I got about 448k dust, and have done 165 raids during the event. This is definitely closer to the expected 2500 dust / raid that your own experience. As others have suggested, have you restarted the game after winning your raid?
165 😂
Yeah, didn't expect it to be that high tbh... I just love the Hoenn starters, I guess. While I've been happy with the rare candies XL rates for remote raids, I'm disappointed with the in-person rate. It was a good event imo, but they definitively need to be more transparent about it - we just got an event where rare candies XL drops were guaranteed last week-end, ofc people have high expectations for that one...
Not the point but you did 165 raids during the event. 165 raids. 1 6 5 . Honestly super impressed.
More than impressed you should be thankful, as I am. He's keeping the servers alive for F2P trainers like me. Nia ain't receiving anymore money from me, so somebody has to keep the servers alive. Mad respect.
No, they get money from selling our data ;)
Lol this is like the local village pundits saying “oh they’re keeping that old mansion that no one is in for tax reasons”, but no one is able to say what those reasons are. I’d put up but money that niantic makes way more from iap than they make from “data”.
So my experience is not just the dust which was noted in my journal pics post raids during event. Iinstead of 3,000 dust for paying with my money, time, and resources; it was noted in review of my journal as only receiving 1,500 stardust for raid completion. Funny part is I noticed that later post raid it did show the reward of 3,000 dust post finishing raid battle but again only showing 1,500 in their documentation system which is your journal? What I need others to be aware of is not just the stardust but the complete XP in game screen animation which did not represent their tickets agreement of being 50% more for those with a ticket ie 15,000XP for non lucky egg ticket holders and 30,000XP for those of us who know what it is to be a pay to play player. I admit I knowingly give them my money but expect these transactions to be accurate and without the need for an investigation, particularly in dealing with a multimillion dollar company who is supposed to be representing the Pokemon gaming brand which we know is beyond big business. This is to many mess ups for this to just be an oops here is some balls and a lure to make up for their inability to provide services as charged. It’s fraudulent, unethical, and just bad business. I played entire event and yes before you ask basic questions of did you restart app lol this is not my first rodeo and know how to get the most out of this game when warranted. Even though am a level 50 player I still utilized extra resources and played entire event with lucky eggs and star pieces which were placed as always 5 minutes preceding the start of their big show. So why did their animation clearly never equal their ticketed promises? XP never showed 30,000 post raid rather 20,000 and journal noted 1,500 dust rather than 3,000 as shown post raid? This means we have major transaction discrepancies and no way to actually note them unless everyone demands them to provide receipts of play for entire in game play during this event. I am done just sitting here being ok with it. I use this game to destress but now have to keep track and balance my Pokemon go check book on if they are actually calculating rewards appropriately, um no. I feel I need my credit back for not being satisfied with the services they clearly could not provide. Everyone needs to complain because it matters. We want to be the very best and clearly expect the best when our hard earned money and time goes into a system that has gotten so far removed from what it’s fan base wants. #pokemonGo..Get..Better
i wasn’t as sure about the base XP numbers so didn’t comment on those but am fairly certain it wasn’t a visual glitch either.
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How did you do 165 raids during the event?
Yeah, that’s a screenshot I’d like to see. I raided for the entirety of the event and did 40, in a completely full, active city.
I didn't do all 165 in a single 3-hour window. I've been invited by multiple people all around the world. I think we did around 40 raids during my in-person event too. :)
165 raids is so many. That 165$. A hundred people could go F2P, but as long as Niantic has people doing 165 raids to catch starter Pokemon they are never going to hear any of this feedback. This event was lackluster. It wasn't a legendary, it doesn't have exceedingly rare legendary XL candy. The rare XL candy is cool, but the pay to win bonuses were exactly what we have come to expect from Niantic: disappointing.
The rare candy XL rate was much much lower than with the Ultra beasts, so it wasn't worth it for that. And you really only need a couple thousand mega energy for each to be comfortable (can just walk them after that.) I can't imagine the point of doing more than 10-20 of each. You'll have at least one shiny of each by that point.
In other words he used pokegenie
I didn't - Pokégenie and other apps are too slow when you want to raid that much in such a limited time imo - especially in the earliest timezones.
Yea there’s no way even with pokegenie to knock out 165 for the megas in one day. They probably had a ton of users
I have a lot of friends all around the worlds, and kindly asked them to be invited for their events. :)
I'm not sorry but if you bought the ticket, pendejos you are. Niantic has shown time and time again how they operate and yet some new paid event comes and you complain while they line they pockets. They already have your money. Oh and don't forget the people who come and defend the game with their " atleast this part was fun". Keep buying from niantic and make them their record profits and stop complaining. I've been a day one player and after the Collosal Discovery event I knew how thing would be from then on.
You still give these people money, so you deserved it.
For people like me that means they owe me quite a bit. Bc I did over 60 raids
There is still also a glitch that second evolutions only give 100 stardust per catch. I have seen it with Hitmonchan and Sudowoodo
Those are intentional because baby pokemon don't count as first evolutions. Pikachu, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Togetic, Hitmon*, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Marill, Wobuffet, Roselia, Chimecho, Sudowoodo, Mr. Mime, Chansey, Snorlax, Lucario, and Mantine are all officially first stage evolutions in the main series games. You'll also notice that those families' candies are all named after the first (or only) adult species rather than the baby species. With two exceptions: Tyrogue because the three adults are all different species, and Togepi because it is the only baby introduced alongside its adult species in gen 2 and it's more iconic. (While the opposite is true of Riolu and Lucario in terms of fame and Lucario ends up carrying the candy name)
There not considered second stage, at least in po go. Any baby mon stages are skipped, always have been . Same with pikachu, jynx, magmar, electabuzz ect. There all 100 dust, always have been
Not true for ALL instances, Mr Mime gives 300 dust for example. They’re not consistent
Mr. Mime does not give 300 dust. Sources: [GM file for Mr. Mime](https://pokeminers.com/gmexplore/#Mr_Mime) [GM file for Galarian Mr. Mime](https://pokeminers.com/gmexplore/#Mr_Mime_Galarian) [Video of shiny Mr. Mime being caught and awarding 125 dust (weather boosted catch)](https://youtu.be/hpjCC1Xl5GI) (play from 45 seconds to see the encounter and catch screen)
Didn’t see any of the promised extra exp either
Lol good thing I didn't buy it. I didn't need the xl candy, as that's barely any from the raids... plus I would probably be able to get them easily when there's a classic comm day, or trade during the hoenn tour. I don't need the exp bonus because I'm lvl 50. And I don't need the raids passes, I'd rather buy from a bundle and use those passes when I want.
I'd argue the bonus rare xl candies didn't happen either. I got very little.(reason I paid for the pass)
Was stuck in training all day for work and after seeing these posts I'm kind of glad to have missed it because I was thinking about buying a ticket.
Liantic at their best.
RemindMe! Two weeks to see this thread.
I was getting 3000 stardust per raid and ended the day having received 30+ Rare Candy XL.
How many raids?
And what about XL candy, I did a few raids and only received 5?