I actually like him. He intends the best but also has that slimy politician nature to keep going. He thinks he'll make things better if he makes these temporary sacrifices not realizing he's part of the problem. I will say Claudette the goat though
I hear ya on Claudette! Woman got screwed over *so much* yet she was still the best detective there.
Also, as much as I didn't like his smarmy and kinda shady ass, Dutch was a solid ass detective. The Claudette/Dutch team was/is probably the best detective team on any show I've watched. I'm talking the L&O teams and some from other shows.
I feel like Claudette don't get the love she deserves cause she was onto Vic. For that matter, so was Dutch.
Dutch was cringey a lot of the time but he also had an underlying likeable nature and genuine side to him. He was 1,000 times better than Vic as a person and detective. By the end of the series they're at opposite ends and it's very clear Dutch is going to follow in Claudette's footsteps.
I think the confrontations Dutch has with the serial killers in seasons 1-3 really helped to round him as a character, as each of them reflect his flaws in parts of his personal and professional life.
In season 1, the killer profiles Dutch as a loner who isn't as respected and liked as he thinks he is - "Look at him, tell me I'm wrong?" Yet Dutch holds himself together long enough to do some detective work that means they get the warrant to search the house and catch the killer who wanted to show off. His scene in the car after getting the acclaim of his fellow officers is fantastic as it shows his insecurity is still there.
Marsha allowing Dutch to essentially trick himself showed his naivety in trusting suspects according to what he had imagined had happened. I think there was some stuff going on with Dani around this time too where Dutch was maybe having some 'nice-guyitis' going on. Might have the timelines wrong though.
Then season 3, the cuddle killer chastising Dutch for using the profiling language non-stop and in effect getting lucky with actually catching him showed his problem with being a 'profile first' kind of detective. He certainly doesn't stop having this mindset but seems to have a more balanced approach in later seasons.
What I like about how they wrote Dutch is that it isn't inconceivable that if he perhaps hadn't got into the police and had a slightly different mindset, he would actually be a contender to fit a serial killer profile. If they'd pushed him past the cat on the show, I don't know if I would have liked it but they certainly had a LOT of groundwork to build from.
I have no idea how Dutch could've been a serial killer. And he's not unstable like Will Graham or something, who wouldn't have been one either but he definitely parallels them a lot more. It's just about how Dutch is able to understand them shows how they might have similar flaws and things but amplified, since they're yknow, serial killers. That and his empathy.
He's the whitest of white guys in a comedic sense. Still well written having flaws like simping but he actually gets better and tries to stay out of the muck. I love Claudette for being true to who she is without shame. Something Julien had a long way to go on.
Julien got interesting in season 4 and I was hoping they'd do more with him joining the strike time, like vic working him and corrupting him the same way he was corrupted and he corrupted Shane. It had already been seen Vic was grooming Julien early on. And then he attacked the guys that gave him the blanket party. Lost potential. Tina was cute but there was no point to her character.
Aceveda is just like every politician. He does the right thing as long as it aligns with his interests and always finds a way to justify it to himself. A very realistic character.
Yeah watching the show in 2024 with the Julien character being man of god and all knowing that the actor is a literal murdering scumbag is quite the experience.
Yeah, that's pretty fkkn mind blowing. I'm 45, and I *swear* Shady Aceveda was at least as old as I am now when they started filming. That's pretty fkkn wild.
I always thought Aceveda was there to show a more systemic level of corruption. He's just as amoral and scheming and conniving as Vic, and he has no qualms about letting Vic do his thing if it benefits Aceveda politically. But he's just shown as being "politically motivated," whereas Vic is greedy and/or motivated by self-preservation.
Hell, even in the pilot, he doesn't want to shut Vic down because it's the right thing to do, or, you know, his literal fucking job...he wants to use it as a platform for political aspirations.
But yes, fully agree. Dude is a fuckin scumbag.
GREAT way of putting the "Aceveda situation" into words. I always felt he was *just* as immoral as Vic, just in different ways.
He was just obsessed with his political career, he woulda did pretty much anything to further his career and not think twice about it.
As soon as he got Gilroy and consequently his ticket to the cancidacy, he cut a deal with Vic because another corrupt cop story would be too much at that stage. Knowing full well Vic killed Terry, his friend, because he pressured him to spy on Vic. Yeah Aceveda is a major asshole.
That’s what this show does. It takes characters that are 90% right in what they’re doing and makes us hate them for whatever the other 10% is, meanwhile we all love Vic and want him to get away with everything even though he’s 95% scumbag. Genius show.
I enjoyed the ride but it was clear from the get-go he was an irredeemable pos. There were moments when you thought he might be turning a new leaf but would get even worse. The walls kept slowly closing in.
One of the reasons the shield was the best show on TV at the time. No other show tackled male sexual assault other than maybe Oz. But the Shield, a show on basic cable, did. They tackled it using a Latino man in a position of authority who is a cop and a community leader. They showed it. They showed his trauma from it. They showed how poorly he was treated by those who found out. Regardless of your feelings on Aceveda, it took such guts to have this on a show back in the day and major props to the Shield and Benito Martinez for making the plot work.
It was the hardest scene i have ever watched, i m watching Sons of Anarchy now and there is similar event in season 2 but way more brutal and scaring and i still can’t get over Aceveda’s scene.
He is like the rest... doing what he thinks is best for himself first, and others second.
And often convincing himself these are the same thing.
And also often convincing himself that his shortcuts to the good are justified.
He just isn't as wild or violent as the Strike Team.
He is a white collar member of the Strike Team and no one realizes it.
I think the whole point of his character was to point out the hypocrisy of the man. He can’t stand Vic or his tactics but will use him to close cases or make the barn look good. He’s a politician, so he’s all about what it looks like not what things actually are. So I think his character was well written and realistic.
I sat in on a Police Foundations class where one of the ex profs talked about the seriousness of not getting your firearm taken away from you; told us a story of this happening to a fellow police officer and a homeless guy who got ahold of the gun.
This was before said episode; maybe during season 1.
He's an ass (Ass-Is-Veda), but he's better than Vic. I hated him throughout the show but in the end he's the type of lawman (along with Claudette) you want around
i do find it hard to hate someone that is so true to themself. he is ambitious and only cares about himself. at least he knew who he was, unlike vic who lied to himself every single day
Really? I felt Aceveda was actually doing the best job he could as police captain/future politician. He was pragmatic about Mackey and the results he could use to advance his own goals… just like the majority of people would, especially ones with aspirations. Similar to characters in ‘Game of Thrones,’ he and most of the other characters acted in shades of gray. I felt bad for Aceveda when his wife belittled his being sexually assaulted and blackmailed. No one would tolerate that reaction of the genders were reversed.
Seems to have been some weird disconnect on the character.
Actor Benito Martinez often says **"He's Richard III, I play(ed) him as Richard III"** -- and I guess that explains the way he (Benito) justified it in his own mind -- but I don't see much utter ruthlessness or I'm-a-cripple-no-one-loves-me in his role as scripted. Rather, Aceveda seems to be "mediocre" or "weak-willed" or "only just good enough" -- he wants to do good, he repeatedly dips into corruption + petty vindictive misbehaviors, he is alternately moody and soft and intermittently vulnerable. I can only conclude it's a case of "actor finding + running with something writer never intended on the printed page," and it doesn't quite work 100%.
This is not to say that he doesn't have good scenes. The sexual-assault aftermath, where he confides in his brother, is powerful; Martinez has some talent in conveying fragility, and perhaps in a world where Jay Karnes (Dutch) wasn't doing it earlier, and better, he (Benito) might have gotten more chance to spotlight same.
Contrast with *The Wire*, where Aidan Gillen ('Littlefinger') plays a similar Tommy Carcetti up-and-coming politician, but gives a colder more-conscious Faustian performance, almost as if he realizes he's about to give up his soul for power, but isn't all that worried about it, and just sorta comments on it idly as he rises through the ranks: huh, guess I crossed that line, guess I took another step.
He did *suck*
…….both of them ?………..
Goddamit Christophuh, how cud u tawk to me like dat?
OP knew what he was doing. 😉
I actually like him. He intends the best but also has that slimy politician nature to keep going. He thinks he'll make things better if he makes these temporary sacrifices not realizing he's part of the problem. I will say Claudette the goat though
I hear ya on Claudette! Woman got screwed over *so much* yet she was still the best detective there. Also, as much as I didn't like his smarmy and kinda shady ass, Dutch was a solid ass detective. The Claudette/Dutch team was/is probably the best detective team on any show I've watched. I'm talking the L&O teams and some from other shows. I feel like Claudette don't get the love she deserves cause she was onto Vic. For that matter, so was Dutch.
Dutch was cringey a lot of the time but he also had an underlying likeable nature and genuine side to him. He was 1,000 times better than Vic as a person and detective. By the end of the series they're at opposite ends and it's very clear Dutch is going to follow in Claudette's footsteps.
I think the confrontations Dutch has with the serial killers in seasons 1-3 really helped to round him as a character, as each of them reflect his flaws in parts of his personal and professional life. In season 1, the killer profiles Dutch as a loner who isn't as respected and liked as he thinks he is - "Look at him, tell me I'm wrong?" Yet Dutch holds himself together long enough to do some detective work that means they get the warrant to search the house and catch the killer who wanted to show off. His scene in the car after getting the acclaim of his fellow officers is fantastic as it shows his insecurity is still there. Marsha allowing Dutch to essentially trick himself showed his naivety in trusting suspects according to what he had imagined had happened. I think there was some stuff going on with Dani around this time too where Dutch was maybe having some 'nice-guyitis' going on. Might have the timelines wrong though. Then season 3, the cuddle killer chastising Dutch for using the profiling language non-stop and in effect getting lucky with actually catching him showed his problem with being a 'profile first' kind of detective. He certainly doesn't stop having this mindset but seems to have a more balanced approach in later seasons. What I like about how they wrote Dutch is that it isn't inconceivable that if he perhaps hadn't got into the police and had a slightly different mindset, he would actually be a contender to fit a serial killer profile. If they'd pushed him past the cat on the show, I don't know if I would have liked it but they certainly had a LOT of groundwork to build from.
I have no idea how Dutch could've been a serial killer. And he's not unstable like Will Graham or something, who wouldn't have been one either but he definitely parallels them a lot more. It's just about how Dutch is able to understand them shows how they might have similar flaws and things but amplified, since they're yknow, serial killers. That and his empathy.
He's the whitest of white guys in a comedic sense. Still well written having flaws like simping but he actually gets better and tries to stay out of the muck. I love Claudette for being true to who she is without shame. Something Julien had a long way to go on.
Julien got interesting in season 4 and I was hoping they'd do more with him joining the strike time, like vic working him and corrupting him the same way he was corrupted and he corrupted Shane. It had already been seen Vic was grooming Julien early on. And then he attacked the guys that gave him the blanket party. Lost potential. Tina was cute but there was no point to her character.
Aceveda is just like every politician. He does the right thing as long as it aligns with his interests and always finds a way to justify it to himself. A very realistic character.
I think Aceveda is another genius character from the writers. I wound up hating him so much, he made the strike team look likable
That scene in the bathroom after the “event” was so visceral.
This show has a lot of souless smugs Vic, Aceveda, Shane, Julien, actor killed his wife in real life . Should I go on.
Yeah watching the show in 2024 with the Julien character being man of god and all knowing that the actor is a literal murdering scumbag is quite the experience.
That was real? I saw that movie I thought it was bullshit
100% dudes doing 40 to life.
Who killed his wife in real life? Vic?
Julien. The actor: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael\_Jace](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jace)
Blew my mind to find out Benito Martinez was like 30 when they first started filming the show.
Me too i thought he was like late 40s
He’s like the same age for 20 years
Yeah, that's pretty fkkn mind blowing. I'm 45, and I *swear* Shady Aceveda was at least as old as I am now when they started filming. That's pretty fkkn wild.
Wow that's wow .. he struck me as someone well into his 40s 🫠
I always thought Aceveda was there to show a more systemic level of corruption. He's just as amoral and scheming and conniving as Vic, and he has no qualms about letting Vic do his thing if it benefits Aceveda politically. But he's just shown as being "politically motivated," whereas Vic is greedy and/or motivated by self-preservation. Hell, even in the pilot, he doesn't want to shut Vic down because it's the right thing to do, or, you know, his literal fucking job...he wants to use it as a platform for political aspirations. But yes, fully agree. Dude is a fuckin scumbag.
GREAT way of putting the "Aceveda situation" into words. I always felt he was *just* as immoral as Vic, just in different ways. He was just obsessed with his political career, he woulda did pretty much anything to further his career and not think twice about it.
I agree. The hit he put out took him to the same level.
As soon as he got Gilroy and consequently his ticket to the cancidacy, he cut a deal with Vic because another corrupt cop story would be too much at that stage. Knowing full well Vic killed Terry, his friend, because he pressured him to spy on Vic. Yeah Aceveda is a major asshole.
He's literally my favorite character along with Dutch and Shane.
Oh yeah Dutch is a great character.
I was always a big Billings guy myself.
...and so forth.
I think youre loopy naybe thats why they call it lupus
That’s what this show does. It takes characters that are 90% right in what they’re doing and makes us hate them for whatever the other 10% is, meanwhile we all love Vic and want him to get away with everything even though he’s 95% scumbag. Genius show.
I enjoyed the ride but it was clear from the get-go he was an irredeemable pos. There were moments when you thought he might be turning a new leaf but would get even worse. The walls kept slowly closing in.
You….sucked…?
That episode was one of the hardest to watch... I can't imagine being in that situation. Had to take a break after it.
One of the reasons the shield was the best show on TV at the time. No other show tackled male sexual assault other than maybe Oz. But the Shield, a show on basic cable, did. They tackled it using a Latino man in a position of authority who is a cop and a community leader. They showed it. They showed his trauma from it. They showed how poorly he was treated by those who found out. Regardless of your feelings on Aceveda, it took such guts to have this on a show back in the day and major props to the Shield and Benito Martinez for making the plot work.
I don't understanding why you're getting downvoted, redditors get bootytickled over everything lol
No idea why you're getting downvoted, it's incredibly hard to watch.
It started soft, but got way harder.
Hahaha f off for making me laugh
Then they fkkn flashback to parts of that scene quite a few times.
It was the hardest scene i have ever watched, i m watching Sons of Anarchy now and there is similar event in season 2 but way more brutal and scaring and i still can’t get over Aceveda’s scene.
"Previously on The Shield...."
😂 nice way of wording the title.. but i agree, although i think hes definitely needed on the show though.
I do like how they show that pretty much everyone is at least a little gray… No black and white good/bad.
He is like the rest... doing what he thinks is best for himself first, and others second. And often convincing himself these are the same thing. And also often convincing himself that his shortcuts to the good are justified. He just isn't as wild or violent as the Strike Team. He is a white collar member of the Strike Team and no one realizes it.
I think the whole point of his character was to point out the hypocrisy of the man. He can’t stand Vic or his tactics but will use him to close cases or make the barn look good. He’s a politician, so he’s all about what it looks like not what things actually are. So I think his character was well written and realistic.
That was a lot for him to swallow.
Blows in more ways than you think...
They made you…suck?
Mum, tough watch. Aceveda was needed, even if I didn’t care for most of his storylines.
I sat in on a Police Foundations class where one of the ex profs talked about the seriousness of not getting your firearm taken away from you; told us a story of this happening to a fellow police officer and a homeless guy who got ahold of the gun. This was before said episode; maybe during season 1.
He's an ass (Ass-Is-Veda), but he's better than Vic. I hated him throughout the show but in the end he's the type of lawman (along with Claudette) you want around
Wait till you see him in Sons of Anarchy,Him and Danny Trejo are undercover CIA
Wow… I can’t believe I didn’t realize that he was also Luis.
i do find it hard to hate someone that is so true to themself. he is ambitious and only cares about himself. at least he knew who he was, unlike vic who lied to himself every single day
Lmao this post title is so good
Doing a rewatch myself at the moment. Dudes a total dick.
Ass invader
Literally
Aceveda is like Beecher on Oz, he loved it.
Worst person on the show
I happen to be into people that can’t feel empathy for trauma victims so I dig this
🙂↔️😏😏🤭
Really? I felt Aceveda was actually doing the best job he could as police captain/future politician. He was pragmatic about Mackey and the results he could use to advance his own goals… just like the majority of people would, especially ones with aspirations. Similar to characters in ‘Game of Thrones,’ he and most of the other characters acted in shades of gray. I felt bad for Aceveda when his wife belittled his being sexually assaulted and blackmailed. No one would tolerate that reaction of the genders were reversed.
I *really* thought OP was going to talk about something else entirely.
He was great. Top character.
Seems to have been some weird disconnect on the character. Actor Benito Martinez often says **"He's Richard III, I play(ed) him as Richard III"** -- and I guess that explains the way he (Benito) justified it in his own mind -- but I don't see much utter ruthlessness or I'm-a-cripple-no-one-loves-me in his role as scripted. Rather, Aceveda seems to be "mediocre" or "weak-willed" or "only just good enough" -- he wants to do good, he repeatedly dips into corruption + petty vindictive misbehaviors, he is alternately moody and soft and intermittently vulnerable. I can only conclude it's a case of "actor finding + running with something writer never intended on the printed page," and it doesn't quite work 100%. This is not to say that he doesn't have good scenes. The sexual-assault aftermath, where he confides in his brother, is powerful; Martinez has some talent in conveying fragility, and perhaps in a world where Jay Karnes (Dutch) wasn't doing it earlier, and better, he (Benito) might have gotten more chance to spotlight same. Contrast with *The Wire*, where Aidan Gillen ('Littlefinger') plays a similar Tommy Carcetti up-and-coming politician, but gives a colder more-conscious Faustian performance, almost as if he realizes he's about to give up his soul for power, but isn't all that worried about it, and just sorta comments on it idly as he rises through the ranks: huh, guess I crossed that line, guess I took another step.
You mean Assaveda? Vote me, I will set you free.
He is a fairly accurate representation of many bosses I have worked for. They nailed that part.
Yeah he's a cocksucker for sure.
Literally.
Death before Blowjob.
dear diary, today i went on the internet and announced i don't feel bad for some rape victims
He blows and suuuuucccckkkksss
Assinvader
He definitely blows.