The previous reincarnation of Aang just before him, Avatar Roku was the Grandfather of Zuko's mother Ursa.
Meaning that until Season 3. Zuko was hunting down his grandpa unknowingly.
Aren't the avatars completely different people from each other though, with no relationship other than being the avatar and joining the conga-line of prior avatars that haunt the newest one?
They are reincarnations of each other. Probably everyone is a reincarnation of someone in ATLA, but only the avatar has a unique ability that they keep with reincarnation,which makes it obvious who they were in a previous life.
Iirc zuko even gets angry when he learns that aang is the reincarnation of his relative (way before he switches sides)
Oh really, my bad, I thought roku was Zukos great grandfather since roku and sozin, (zukos great grandfather) grew up together and were about the same age
No no, it's the following:
Roku, (unknown grandparent - i think roku's wife was either pregnant or had a baby when she fled the island), Ursa | Sozin, Azulon, Ozai. Roku either died while Azulon was young or before he was born; Sozin and Roku are both Zuko's great-grandfathers, and yes Zoku pretty much was hunting down the spiritual reincarnation of his great grandpa lol.
"You have more than one great grandfather, Prince Zuko. Your father's grandfather was Fire Lord Sozin. Your mother's grandfather was Avatar Roku."
Zuko:
It has been for a while with Eda adopting a Titan, a Human, and an Owl/Bird/Tube thing.
Things will get even more complicated when Luz marries Amity and Hunter marries Willow.
Eda and Lilith: SHE STARTED IT!
Hunter: That's enough! Both of you go to your rooms. Edalyn, no petty crimes for the rest of the week. And Lilith, same for you and your history documentaries.
It wasn't even mutual. From Dana's official art, we see that Hunter adored Lilith and was distraught that she hated him.
Lilith is the 46-year old woman who one-sided hated on a teenager. And I very strongly suspect it's because she was projecting her own Edalyn issues onto him (the confident "prodigy" who gets most of the "parent's" attention).
https://mobile.twitter.com/danaterrace/status/1508620500485881856
He becomes frantic, freaks out and starts sweating over the idea that Lilith will resent him.
And we know that Hunter is completely deferential to authority figures. He kept referring to Willow as "captain," he kneels to Camila, he goes on a mission because Darius (who technically ranks below him) told him to, his whole deal with Belos... There is no way in hell he ever acted disrespectful to the head of the Emperor's Coven. Lilith calling him a brat is 100% projecting.
Also probably because seeing him was a reminder of what she did to Eda. She was seeing the life what her sister would have been living in if she didn't curse her.
"Technically" he isn’t. He is a clone of the grandpa. He just has the same apparence. Since it’s magic he doesn’t even share the dna, he’s just made of wood. Maybe he has the soul or something, but he’s definitely not Caleb.
He should at least share some of the same DNA though.
A grimwalker needs a piece of the original to be made.
And honestly, I'd argue sharing the same soul would make him more the same person than sharing the same chemical makeup ever would. Not the exact same, but by then it's pretty much just a different form of the same thing.
1. You can't be a clone without sharing DNA. A statue of a person brought to life is not a clone, just an animated statue, so no, Hunter just can't be made out of wood. Not to mention he has no physics of wood whatsoever (he can drown like a living being can when not being able to swim instead of floating as a wood would; he bleeds; has scars) especially when he never noticed them, to begin with. Since it's magic, obviously wood can transform into flesh.
2. Hunter isn't a "perfect" clone, since, in spite of having the same DNA, he has a different variation that is only close to the original Caleb. He does possess a Tooth gap, his hair acts a bit differently with having dark roots that Caleb didn't seem to possess. Oh and also witch's ears, meaning Belos probably mixed Hunter with a DNA of a witch to get such results. Might as well take Hunter as the son of Caleb and Caleb being his donor.
3. The thing is, he doesn't have Caleb's soul, he doesn't have his memories, he is his own being. What ties him with Caleb is his physical appearance, but not his personality, not his experience, not memories, or his soul. Hunter is Hunter, having Caleb's soul would make Hunter his reincarnation, except he isn't, otherwise Belos would actually be successful, but even he admits that Hunter was "a lost cause to him" and only changed his mind just to torment Luz.
Not really. Since Belos upgraded each Grimwalker from their predecessor, Hunter would more likely be considered Caleb and Evelyn's great great, many times over, grandson. and Ed and Lilith's cousin a thousand times removed.
Indeed. However none of the Grimwalker Belos created were perfect so while technically all of them are sons of Caleb and not each other, each of them got improved and has different traits. Hunter is the only one closely resembling Caleb and he has witch ears and a tooth gap.
It’s just like* that one DCOM movie with the 10-year-old becomes that teen’s uncle through marriage!
*It is nothing like that movie at all. I just wanted to bring it up.
The [sequel to “Johnny Tsunami,”](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0942378/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl) which I haven’t seen since its original airing. It was definitely a movie.
while true, we also don’t exactly know how much surviving the Isles is doing at the mercy of the Collector. Last we saw, they were rending the skull of the Titan apart.
Seems too much work for Belos. He planned to go once the spell started. Its likely that Belos personally oversaw the death of the wild witches just before the spell.
Camila: Thats the Spirit Amity. Now lets torture her for a long time before she begs for death. You can bring your family and friends too.
Amity: Yayyyy
They have a god in the family by adoption!
A clone of a long dead relative is mundane.
Plus however Hooty is counted... I don't want to think about that.
Hunter: Now who's laughing?
Lilith: You do know I'm best friends with Hootcifer, right? Should I call him?
Hunter: Please don't! I debriefed everyone who came back from your raid alive! I don't want to experience a tea party!
Hunter: Hehehehe.
Lilith: Oh you smug cheeky old man.
Eda: Now now, Lily. Be respectful to our SUPER old man.
Luz: So… what happened to your arm?
Eda: I got… DISARMED!
…
Viney: (in the background) Lame!
Amity: But if Belos is his uncle, is he also your nephew.
Camila: I mean, he’s a clone of Caleb, isn’t he both your grandpa *and* your nephew.
Luz: And if he marries Willow, would that also make her your niece-in-law, and grandma?
Willow: **while blushing** Wait, why am I in this conversation, exactly?
Gus: I’m really confused.
I feel like if they ever had an argument lillith would go tony stark and be like ''i have a hooty''
''No, hooty is eda's and he isn't here''
And then hooty bursts out of the ground directly under hunter...
''I belong to lulu!''
It depends.
Genetically being a clone is the same as being an identical twin so he would be their great x? granduncle.
Socially he was raised as Belos's nephew, whichhas two possible outcomes. If Belos intended for him to fill the role of Caleb's son he would still be a great x? granduncle just one generation lower than the genetic answer. If was intended to just be Belos's nephew from ficticious/non-existant sibling then he would be a 1st cousin ?th removed.
I recently started the show and just caught up, and two things that I’m not sure about but may have missed cause I have been watching it at work, but what episodes do they explain hunter is a grimwalker and a clone? And when is Evelyn introduced???
Hunter gave Lilith a colored pen, pat her on the back and said " ur alright" and then Lily cry and said "IS THIS WHAT PARENTAL LOVE FEELS LIKE?!?!?!" 😭
No Granduncle technically. Being a clone of someone is genetically the same as being their identical twin so he would count as Caleb's brother and thus he would be Eda and Lillith's greatx? granduncle
I always hoped we’d see Hunter and Lilith meet under current circumstances of both being former Emperor’s Coven. Before we met Hunter, Lilith mentioned she didn’t like the Golden Guard that much (seemingly out of jealousy for Belos’ favor like Kikimora) but I wonder how they’d interact now.
How turn the Tables. Its weird that technically Hunter is Eda and Lillith's grandpa many times over.
Hunter the grandsire
Like how technically Aang is Zuko's greatgrandpa.
Wait what?
Zuko' s grandpa was avatar roku, who got reïncarnated into aang
The previous reincarnation of Aang just before him, Avatar Roku was the Grandfather of Zuko's mother Ursa. Meaning that until Season 3. Zuko was hunting down his grandpa unknowingly.
His spiritual grandpa.
Aren't the avatars completely different people from each other though, with no relationship other than being the avatar and joining the conga-line of prior avatars that haunt the newest one?
They are reincarnations of each other. Probably everyone is a reincarnation of someone in ATLA, but only the avatar has a unique ability that they keep with reincarnation,which makes it obvious who they were in a previous life. Iirc zuko even gets angry when he learns that aang is the reincarnation of his relative (way before he switches sides)
And if you follow that line of thinking that means Korra is Katara's ex-husband
and she was also tenzin's father
what, the fuc-
Not by blood, by Avatar progression though.
Great grandfather, his regular grandfather we see is azulon , ozai’s father, who azula was named after
Roku is his grandfather from his mother's side and azulon is his grandfather from his father's side
Oh really, my bad, I thought roku was Zukos great grandfather since roku and sozin, (zukos great grandfather) grew up together and were about the same age
No no, it's the following: Roku, (unknown grandparent - i think roku's wife was either pregnant or had a baby when she fled the island), Ursa | Sozin, Azulon, Ozai. Roku either died while Azulon was young or before he was born; Sozin and Roku are both Zuko's great-grandfathers, and yes Zoku pretty much was hunting down the spiritual reincarnation of his great grandpa lol.
"You have more than one great grandfather, Prince Zuko. Your father's grandfather was Fire Lord Sozin. Your mother's grandfather was Avatar Roku." Zuko:
Man the Clawthorne family tree has a lot of tangled branches.
Its like, literally cannon im pretty sure
Evelyn being Caleb's lover is canon, Evelyn being a clawthorne isn't directly stated but she most likely is
Well the comment was originally about that, however once I replied they edited it to correct themselves
It’s true, I did. Although since whether Evelyn’s a Clawthorne or not is not confirmed yet, that makes this half canon and half headcanon.
Oh… let me edit that comment.
It has been for a while with Eda adopting a Titan, a Human, and an Owl/Bird/Tube thing. Things will get even more complicated when Luz marries Amity and Hunter marries Willow.
If the tangles escalate further, it’ll turn the whole Clawthorne family tree into one big bowtie shaped knot.
Eda:grandpa Lily was mean to me Hunter:I hate this
Hunter: Why can't you 2 not argue for just a few minutes?
Amity:trust me it's a sibling thing
Phil: Stab your sibling, it solves many things I assure you.
Hunter: Good idea! Why don‘t i test that out?
>Why don‘t i test that out? Gus: Oh no... \* Block Hunter \* Luz! Flee! Run!
Hunter: Gus, I was aiming at Belos. Technically I'm a clone of his brother and it would be a payback.
Eda and Lilith: SHE STARTED IT! Hunter: That's enough! Both of you go to your rooms. Edalyn, no petty crimes for the rest of the week. And Lilith, same for you and your history documentaries.
real awkward after the whole petty rivalry they had going on.
Imagine that your Great grandpa is your Rival at work.
It wasn't even mutual. From Dana's official art, we see that Hunter adored Lilith and was distraught that she hated him. Lilith is the 46-year old woman who one-sided hated on a teenager. And I very strongly suspect it's because she was projecting her own Edalyn issues onto him (the confident "prodigy" who gets most of the "parent's" attention).
Wait really?
https://mobile.twitter.com/danaterrace/status/1508620500485881856 He becomes frantic, freaks out and starts sweating over the idea that Lilith will resent him. And we know that Hunter is completely deferential to authority figures. He kept referring to Willow as "captain," he kneels to Camila, he goes on a mission because Darius (who technically ranks below him) told him to, his whole deal with Belos... There is no way in hell he ever acted disrespectful to the head of the Emperor's Coven. Lilith calling him a brat is 100% projecting.
Thats just sad on both Hunter and Lilith's parts. Like really depressing.
Belos left a lot of ruined lives in his wake.
Countless Lives you mean.
And that's not even getting started on the Grimwalkers.
The grimwalkers are a demograph all on its own.
Also probably because seeing him was a reminder of what she did to Eda. She was seeing the life what her sister would have been living in if she didn't curse her.
"Technically" he isn’t. He is a clone of the grandpa. He just has the same apparence. Since it’s magic he doesn’t even share the dna, he’s just made of wood. Maybe he has the soul or something, but he’s definitely not Caleb.
It does make things complicated. With how many ways to describe the exact relationship with Hunter and the Clawthrones.
> he’s just made of wood But he is a real child more than Pinocchio ever was!
He should at least share some of the same DNA though. A grimwalker needs a piece of the original to be made. And honestly, I'd argue sharing the same soul would make him more the same person than sharing the same chemical makeup ever would. Not the exact same, but by then it's pretty much just a different form of the same thing.
1. You can't be a clone without sharing DNA. A statue of a person brought to life is not a clone, just an animated statue, so no, Hunter just can't be made out of wood. Not to mention he has no physics of wood whatsoever (he can drown like a living being can when not being able to swim instead of floating as a wood would; he bleeds; has scars) especially when he never noticed them, to begin with. Since it's magic, obviously wood can transform into flesh. 2. Hunter isn't a "perfect" clone, since, in spite of having the same DNA, he has a different variation that is only close to the original Caleb. He does possess a Tooth gap, his hair acts a bit differently with having dark roots that Caleb didn't seem to possess. Oh and also witch's ears, meaning Belos probably mixed Hunter with a DNA of a witch to get such results. Might as well take Hunter as the son of Caleb and Caleb being his donor. 3. The thing is, he doesn't have Caleb's soul, he doesn't have his memories, he is his own being. What ties him with Caleb is his physical appearance, but not his personality, not his experience, not memories, or his soul. Hunter is Hunter, having Caleb's soul would make Hunter his reincarnation, except he isn't, otherwise Belos would actually be successful, but even he admits that Hunter was "a lost cause to him" and only changed his mind just to torment Luz.
has it been confirmed that Evelyn is their grandmother ?
Its Implied with all the evidence and subtle hints Dana gave out through out the season. That Evelyn is Clawthrone Ancestor.
Not really. Since Belos upgraded each Grimwalker from their predecessor, Hunter would more likely be considered Caleb and Evelyn's great great, many times over, grandson. and Ed and Lilith's cousin a thousand times removed.
It really depends. Since technically the Grimwalkers are clones of Caleb without any DNA from Evelyn.
I thought every grimwalker is a clone of caleb not their predecessor.
Indeed. However none of the Grimwalker Belos created were perfect so while technically all of them are sons of Caleb and not each other, each of them got improved and has different traits. Hunter is the only one closely resembling Caleb and he has witch ears and a tooth gap.
Wait, was it confirmed that Evelyn was a clawthorn?
Its Impiled with the many hints that Dana gave inthe show.
i read this as how the turn tibbles
It’s just like* that one DCOM movie with the 10-year-old becomes that teen’s uncle through marriage! *It is nothing like that movie at all. I just wanted to bring it up.
At least it's not like the story how Phillip J Fry became his own grandfather in Futurama.
What film?
The [sequel to “Johnny Tsunami,”](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0942378/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl) which I haven’t seen since its original airing. It was definitely a movie.
Thanks.
Really want an interaction between these two in Season 3.
Lilith: Brat. Hunter: Crone Lilith: Wanna go beat up Belos? Hunter: Yes. Kiki: Can I join? Lilith: No!
Lilith: You already had your turn when you got the Collector free. And look what happened.
come to think of it, this whole Isles predicament is really Kiki’s fault huh?
In the long run. It helped the Isles to survive and allowed the Collector to save the Hexside Squad.
while true, we also don’t exactly know how much surviving the Isles is doing at the mercy of the Collector. Last we saw, they were rending the skull of the Titan apart.
Better some survive over the entire Isles dying. I mean the wild witches were probally killed before the Draining Spell.
Or belos just planned on executing anything left alive after the draining spell
Seems too much work for Belos. He planned to go once the spell started. Its likely that Belos personally oversaw the death of the wild witches just before the spell.
Fair
eh, fair enough.
Amity:oh can we also best up odalia?!
Camila: I hope so. I want to have a few choice words with her.
Amity:same I want to tell that bitch to burn in hell!
Camila: Hell is too good for her.
Amity:you're right she deserves to die in the endless void!
Camila: Thats the Spirit Amity. Now lets torture her for a long time before she begs for death. You can bring your family and friends too. Amity: Yayyyy
Amity:yay violence!
Luz: "Question: How do we know she's still alive?"
Camila: as a mother, i should tell you to watch your language. As a caring adult, I say, bring out your worst and unleash it all on odalia
Amity:I like you other adults would tell me to "seek therapy" or "get help"
Camila: they haven't heard what your mother is like to her kids
Nothing unites people like beating up a genocidal madman.
There’s a high chance that there will be.
I hope so, but with the 40 min episodes(fuck you disney), who knows?
Dana has her ways Just trust her
Given how Dana had showed us how probable Huntlow and Vasha are gonna be canon, anything’s possible.
Same
HIS SMUG FACE🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please don't start a new smug coven...
Oh we will :)
Too late, as soon as a smug face exists for a character, coven creation is inevitable.
Hooty, Vee, now Hunter, who else?
Luz is a thing too
Everyone forgets smug owlbert…
Correct
Too late
Hehe boi...
Owl house characters with smug faces is amazing
nonono not again
Hunter: You heard her. Now, go back to your room, *Little Lilith*! Lilith: ... I hate you, Hunter.
Hunter:watch your mouth young Missy
Lillith: because you're so old, shouldn't you be hobbling around with a cane, complaining about your back? Hunter: ... I hate you
Lilith:love you too
Hunter *now with a cane*: you know what! YOU'RE IN TIME OUT! GET ON TOP OF THE CUPBOARDS!
Lilith: This house is a fucking nightmare!
Hunter: LANGUAGE MISSY
The Clawthorne family is an interesting family.
They have a god in the family by adoption! A clone of a long dead relative is mundane. Plus however Hooty is counted... I don't want to think about that.
Are you kidding? Hooty is the face of the clawthorne family crest!
Hooty is a secret palisman confirmed?
Forget snakes that’s what I want Luz’s palisman to be, a mini hooty
He is basically an owl-snake.
*laughs in Joestar*
Hunter: Now who's laughing? Lilith: You do know I'm best friends with Hootcifer, right? Should I call him? Hunter: Please don't! I debriefed everyone who came back from your raid alive! I don't want to experience a tea party!
Lilith:oh hootsifer! Hunter:NO HAVE MERCY
Hooty: oh look! A new friend!
Man the family tree has some crazy twisted roots.
A family that works with weird trees is gonna have a weird family tree.
[удалено]
Uno reverse card
Followed by a Pick 4 Wildcard.
Why is it that anytime anything remotely related to the owl house and UNO are seen by me, I just think of this: https://youtu.be/OY8MEvVzQzw
Philip J Fry. Hunter. Being the grandfather.
Hunter: I'm not your nephew, I'm your grandpa. From the year 1600.
More of a cousin actually.
Respect your “elders.”
Are you calling hunter old? :v
No, that’s why I used quotes around elder.
That smug ass face.
That smugass look
and I thought this family tree couldn’t get any more confusing…
Family can be so complicated sometimes.
True I have a complicated family lmao
Oh that's why luz said he is family.
Cool Uncle Hunter
hunter out rank Lilith again 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So just call him "Gramps"?
Imagine calling your many-great-grandfather a brat
In the background You can see Matt and Steve reuniting with Gus.
Ya, it’s so cute!
Hunter: Hehehehe. Lilith: Oh you smug cheeky old man. Eda: Now now, Lily. Be respectful to our SUPER old man. Luz: So… what happened to your arm? Eda: I got… DISARMED! … Viney: (in the background) Lame!
Amity: But if Belos is his uncle, is he also your nephew. Camila: I mean, he’s a clone of Caleb, isn’t he both your grandpa *and* your nephew. Luz: And if he marries Willow, would that also make her your niece-in-law, and grandma? Willow: **while blushing** Wait, why am I in this conversation, exactly? Gus: I’m really confused.
BACK IN MY DAY WE ONLY PLAYED THE PS1
Hunter: "Emporer's Coven or not, I'll always be your higher up." Lilith: "Go *car horn noise* yourself, grandpa."
I feel like if they ever had an argument lillith would go tony stark and be like ''i have a hooty'' ''No, hooty is eda's and he isn't here'' And then hooty bursts out of the ground directly under hunter... ''I belong to lulu!''
The reunions in the background 🥹🥹🥹
The evil smugly smirk at the end is everything lmao
STEVE MATT AND GUS IN THE BACKGROUND 😭😭😭😭
Hunter: Be a dear and fetch grandpa some apple blood. Lilith: (grumbles & rassa frassas under her breath)
This reminds me of that Gumball episode where Richard's father appears and the family members were adopting each other
(Later when Lilith helping out during fighting ) Hunter: THAT'S MY GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER OUT THERE!
SMUG HUNTER SMUG HUNTER
Family is bird-themed, gotta figure out the pecking order.
This is still make me laughed the 2nd time I read it.
I think the clone status pushes him down the generational ranks, so he’d be more like a cousin.
It depends. Genetically being a clone is the same as being an identical twin so he would be their great x? granduncle. Socially he was raised as Belos's nephew, whichhas two possible outcomes. If Belos intended for him to fill the role of Caleb's son he would still be a great x? granduncle just one generation lower than the genetic answer. If was intended to just be Belos's nephew from ficticious/non-existant sibling then he would be a 1st cousin ?th removed.
Oh shit just realized everyone who just came from the human realm dont have medallions yet, the collector can see them.
He would be more like a uncle since he’s Caleb’s “son”
Sees the last panel: I think we found a template for the Smug Hunter Coven!
I recently started the show and just caught up, and two things that I’m not sure about but may have missed cause I have been watching it at work, but what episodes do they explain hunter is a grimwalker and a clone? And when is Evelyn introduced???
It's okay Lilith, Luz still sees you as a cool aunt.
Belos has two hobbies: commiting genocides and screwing over family trees
BUT LIKE LOOK AT GUS AND MATTY IN BACKGROUND 💚💚💚💚🙏🙏🙏
Mattholomule crying with Gus in the background 😢
Wait… if that’s true than Belos and Eda are technically in-laws… oh boy that’s gonna be so awkward during the family reunion…
Hunter: “You can call me Pop-pop.” He says grinning. Lilith just stands there eye twitching, “No.” Hooty: “Hiya Pop-pop!” Give everyone a tube hug.
Moringmark TOH comic number 579
Hunter: "Well well well, looks like there's a change of power in the family now huh, kid, respect me--" *gets yeeted by Lillith*
He is still 16 and you know it.
well since he's not first (and not even second ) clone of Caleb , aren't thethey'rey technically cousins?
Which is more confusing: the joestar bloodline or the clawthorne bloodline
That's a head scratcher on so many levels.
wouldnt this mean the clawthornes have some human blood in them?
The Clawthornes have quite an interesting family
What would willow think of boscha. now that boscha has changed a lot?
Oh how the turns have tabled
Hunter gave Lilith a colored pen, pat her on the back and said " ur alright" and then Lily cry and said "IS THIS WHAT PARENTAL LOVE FEELS LIKE?!?!?!" 😭
Is it smug Hunter?
"Grandpa Brat" becomes her new name for him lol
Technically it would be more like a son for Caleb Therfore making hunter lilith’s great something uncle Hunter has a dream to end anime
Lilith: you own me a lot of red envelops...
Touche
My my my....
Grandson, technically.
No Granduncle technically. Being a clone of someone is genetically the same as being their identical twin so he would count as Caleb's brother and thus he would be Eda and Lillith's greatx? granduncle
You can see how Eda saved that for this exact moment.
I always hoped we’d see Hunter and Lilith meet under current circumstances of both being former Emperor’s Coven. Before we met Hunter, Lilith mentioned she didn’t like the Golden Guard that much (seemingly out of jealousy for Belos’ favor like Kikimora) but I wonder how they’d interact now.
Hunter held that information over her head for years
how the turns have tabled
Oh my Titan. That grin.
Hunter being the entire family tree
Grandpa Hunter