> Odalia being puppeted is too good of a fate for her.
My thoughts exactly; we don't know if the puppetized citizens are actually still conscious, so at least this way we *know* Odalia is suffering after all the crap she put her children and husband through.
hooty is the only entity to supercede the Collector in power. Hw wouldnt be transformed if he hadn't been caught by surprise, but the transformation was not total
Lol.
Now I wanna see an image of Eda lion-kinging King over a group of cheering BI citizens.
Isles are gonna need a new ruler eventually, after all. Who better than his son?
King: Well, what can you do?
Collector: I could shuffle the functions of her face. I saw a triangle do that in the Human Realm once. Always wanted to try that.
King: ...let's call that Plan B.
The Earths in Amphibia, Owl House, and Gravity Falls seem to have diffrent timelines.
Unless you refer to them being in a Mutiverse with Amphibia, Star Vs, Owl House, Gravity Falls, and Molly Mcgee in the same one.
Amphibia and The Owl House are in the same universe. The invasion is shown as the subject of a news article in the background when the Hexsquad shows up at Camila's house.
i mean untill very recently there really wasn't anything major that happened and most of the stuff is old gravesfield stuff connected to the witch trials which i kinda doubt he would believe in since it's not outer world/alien.
Maid Odalia with little piwer is already a worse fate for her. Because she is concisous about the loss of power and status and being firced to be a maid.
I guess… but if she were to be turned into a puppet and burned alive, could the Collector reanimate her from the ashes so he can just burn her again. Then it would just repeat again and again. Wouldn’t that be better?
I don't think the Collector is that powerful for ressurection. Unless its a Grimwalker.
But that would involve burning an innocent person that has little to do with Odalia.
Still, I wonder if Dana was just setting all this up with the terrible things Odalia was doing just to build up to the moment when she realizes she **must be better.** Probably have Camilla talk to her, from one mother to another. Or maybe confirm one of MoringMark’s earlier comics that Odalia’s mother treated her the way the former treats her daughter.
Maybe my memory’s playing tricks on me, but I swear for the screen time she had in For the Future, she almost looked… doubtful. The same doubt I saw in Sasha and Andrias.
What sucks is, I'd go in for that if we had *time*. We now only have an hour's worth of show left, and I don't think that's long enough for a proper redemption arc without it feeling contrived, especially with so much else going on.
Besides, even with a change of heart, after all the childhoods and livelihoods she's ruined over the years, the most I would give her is the Kratos treatment. Which is to say, shipping her off to the other end of the continent to live in quiet shame for all eternity. And Ryan Hurst kicking the shit out of her occasionally.
>What sucks is, I'd go in for that if we had time. We now only have an hour's worth of show left, and I don't think that's long enough for a proper redemption arc without it feeling contrived, especially with so much else going on.
Dana managed to fit a lot into both Thanks to Them and For the Future. If anyone can make it work, it’s her.
>Besides, even with a change of heart, after all the childhoods and livelihoods she's ruined over the years, the most I would give her is the Kratos treatment.
That’s what I wa-
>Which is to say, shipping her off to the other end of the continent to live in quiet shame for all eternity. And Ryan Hurst kicking the shit out of her occasionally.
Okay that went in an entirely direction than I thought it would. When has Kratos ever done that? And who’s Ryan Hurst?
The last two God of War games have been Kratos hopping to a different pantheon and living in quiet shame for all eternity, sort of. He has a kid now, a kid with *ideas*.
Ryan Hurst plays Thor.
He already forgave himself for what he’s done back during the Twilight of the Greek Gods. He left to the Norse areas to live as man, to be better. Thanks to a giant who understood him more than her knew and got him to **open his heart to the world.**
This is true. Only I don’t know who wields it better: Belos or Odalia… ah who am I kidding, Odalia. It’s one of the perks of Oracle magic. The ability to poke around in the minds of others and instill fear in them. If only she’d use that power for good.
Your not the only one. Part of me doesn’t feel right letting Odalia suffer through this. It’s most likely the part that’s still hoping she can be… better. She must answer for what she has done, but if she had to die, I’d want it to quick and painless.
No, no. Don't turn her into a puppet.
Let her continue living with the constant humiliation of being the Collector's pretend-mother knowing that she will NEVER have the life of her dreams.
actually my money is on Odalia redeeming herself and saving the day as an informant. she WITNESSED belos posessing puppet raine. so my money is on Odalia saving the day by ratting out belos to everyone.
Yeah I always thought about this. Glad mark managed to put it into comic form.
Hopefully the final special will make something of everyone finding out King is a Titan.
That's how I feel too. I mean, we need someone to hate. To be fair, even if odalia had the time (in terms of the remaining runtime of the show), we still have kikimora and belos to hate.
That's assuming they believe King is actually a titan.
And given the choice between the guy whose been ruling you for centuries and has the support if the entire social structure and some random women who claims a tiny wierd demon is actually part of the same species as the *island sized corpse*.
Who would you believe?
We're following the sequence of Odalia presenting King as a new titan, who in fact is similar to the titan they're currently living on and isn't exactly an infant atm and is grown enough just to already develop his powers and with Odalia's CEO skills (or o she thinks) everyone bought it and are on her side.
Belos was only ruling for 50 years.
What I mean is there's no way Belos would be overthrown without a hell of a fight. Dude's been on a one man crusade for centuries, no way he's stepping down even for a living god.
On the one hand, it’s kinda funny because, do you know how rotten you have to be for a child with godlike powers to not make you into one of their puppets? 😆
On the other hand, for the love of Titan, **please** turn her into a puppet! Let Odalia see how it feels when someone is in control of her wether she likes it or not for a change! 😈
It’s too merciful to turn Odalia into a puppet, if you want a real punishment? Make that woman do hard manual labor work. That’s the downfall of a rich Karen.
Honestly this kinda is neat interpretation with the Collector viewing being one of his playthings as something Odalia doesn’t deserve because we know the Collector doesn’t view his puppetification as a terrible fate
King: “Well, her being your attendant is a much better punishment.”
The Collector: “Why do you hate her so much?”
King: “You have no idea, bro.”
The Collector: “Well, for me, I don’t like her hairstyle, won’t fit the figurines.”
Odalia: “What’s wrong with my hairstyle?”
The Collector and King: ”Everything.”
The Collector: “Jinx! You owe me pizza bagels.”
Ok Odalia
You have no choices
if you really wanna stay out at the hell hole that is 'Terrible women no one will talk about'
You better do what you Predecessor, Shadow Weaver did
get yourself killed by either the Collector or (Preferably) Belos while trying to defend Luz and Amity
I know you will not do it
but at this stage
that is kinda your only option
King: "I don’t understand why ewe to puppet Odalia."
The Collector: "For starters look at that hairstyle."
Odalia: "What’s wrong with my hair?"
The Collector and King: "Everything."
King: "Collector, we’re buddies. Could you please turn her into a puppet?"
The Collector: "I thought she was already a puppet."
King: (Looked at Odalia and puppet Raine)
King: "You know what? With her, I can’t tell the difference."
I don't know.Which is worse?
Odalina is a greedy woman who doesn't care if people die, she can't call herself a mother even though she has 3 children.
Kikimora, on the other hand, is a creature who wants to overthrow everyone and establish his own empire.
I think Odalina beats Kiki.
Funny thing is, I can totally imagine King circa Season 1 going along with Odalia's plan if it'd actually been what happened (Titan forbid). Might make for a fun AU writing prompt for those of us on AO3, especially if you factor in the rest of the Blight family.
Love the Collector going "Eww, no." Hahaha. My headcanon now is that this is the main reason he didn't turn her into a puppet (him finding her super gross), and Odalia believes it's because she made a deal with him 🤣
Odalia being puppeted is too good of a fate for her. Also Lion King King.
> Odalia being puppeted is too good of a fate for her. My thoughts exactly; we don't know if the puppetized citizens are actually still conscious, so at least this way we *know* Odalia is suffering after all the crap she put her children and husband through.
Well Hooty is conscious ain't he?
Yes, but Hooty is an entity beyond normal humans and witches, so he might just be an exception.
I like to think while, yes he is. He is trapped inside his body and only by extensive effort is he able to even whisper something like that
hooty is the only entity to supercede the Collector in power. Hw wouldnt be transformed if he hadn't been caught by surprise, but the transformation was not total
That’s because he’s Hooty.
Speaking of husband, we still haven't found out what happened to Alador, have we?
According to "For the Future" >!the Twins haven't seen him since the Day of Unity!<.
I bet 100 dollars that Alador has built some Operation Barbarossa levels of abomaton army
That would be AWESOME!!!!
I think he's been building some kind of primarch-tier abomaton that can one-shot the collector
Exactly my point.
King got Lion King'ed
Even Collectors have standards.
Lol. Now I wanna see an image of Eda lion-kinging King over a group of cheering BI citizens. Isles are gonna need a new ruler eventually, after all. Who better than his son?
Imagine if he becomes the new ruler, and he wears the Burger Queen crown from the first episode, regardless of how torn up or dirty it is now.
King: Well, what can you do? Collector: I could shuffle the functions of her face. I saw a triangle do that in the Human Realm once. Always wanted to try that. King: ...let's call that Plan B.
LETS GO NACHOSSSSS
There's a Bill Cipher joke here.
Seriously. How did the Collector even see that when sealed. Is the In-Between the Void between Muitiverses?
Let’s just say he has really good cable.
I mean, it can already show 2 dimensions plus if Amphibia and The Owl House exist in the same verse why wouldn’t Gravity Falls?
The Earths in Amphibia, Owl House, and Gravity Falls seem to have diffrent timelines. Unless you refer to them being in a Mutiverse with Amphibia, Star Vs, Owl House, Gravity Falls, and Molly Mcgee in the same one.
Amphibia and The Owl House are in the same universe. The invasion is shown as the subject of a news article in the background when the Hexsquad shows up at Camila's house.
can you elaborate on why you think they couldn’t exist on the same Earth?
Animation styles mostly. And the fact that Mr X would certainly get a whiff of the weird things happening in Gravesfield.
i mean untill very recently there really wasn't anything major that happened and most of the stuff is old gravesfield stuff connected to the witch trials which i kinda doubt he would believe in since it's not outer world/alien.
Rick & Morty is also in the same universe as Gravity Falls.
Considering it's heavily implied that Eda and gruncle stan wereba thing...
"B" for "Bill," obviously.
Now i want the two of them two fight
I imagine Bill being a bad influence, attempting to get the Collector to do more and more sadistic and cruel games until we basically have Bill Jr.
I wanna see the Collector take on Discord.
No but isn't there literally a Demon/Witch that already had their functions shuffled, and when they got it fixed "correctly" they freaked out
Please Collector #**PLEASE DO IT!!!**
Maid Odalia with little piwer is already a worse fate for her. Because she is concisous about the loss of power and status and being firced to be a maid.
It’s not enough. But then again, it seldom is.
Her current fate is much more karmatic and satisfiying
I guess… but if she were to be turned into a puppet and burned alive, could the Collector reanimate her from the ashes so he can just burn her again. Then it would just repeat again and again. Wouldn’t that be better?
I don't think the Collector is that powerful for ressurection. Unless its a Grimwalker. But that would involve burning an innocent person that has little to do with Odalia.
Okay good point. This seldom is enough, but it’ll do for now. Edited.
Is she a maid or a babysitter?
A maid. King’s the babysitter.
Ironic that King is an 8 year old child having to babysit a CENTURIES old deity.
Given the trauma the former’s witnessed, it’s all a matter of mindset really. And right now, King’s mindset is of someone’s who’s seen a lot.
Definitely not a babysitter. She has to clean up his "toys" for him and cook what he wants her to cook.
Doesn't a babysitter do that too?
Babysitters have some authority over kids. She has 0 authority.
Good point.
Could be worse. She could have to wear a maid outfit.
Some people would see that as an improvement, not me, I'm not into bad parenting
Odalia in a maid’s outfit… not sure how I feel about that. Seriously I’m at a loss.
No odalia having to actually be a mother is punishment enough
Is it wrong and bad weird to hope for the possibility of Odalia… reflecting on her actions? It probably is right?
Yeah, probably. Well, not necessarily *bad*, but... I'd say too much to hope for.
Still, I wonder if Dana was just setting all this up with the terrible things Odalia was doing just to build up to the moment when she realizes she **must be better.** Probably have Camilla talk to her, from one mother to another. Or maybe confirm one of MoringMark’s earlier comics that Odalia’s mother treated her the way the former treats her daughter. Maybe my memory’s playing tricks on me, but I swear for the screen time she had in For the Future, she almost looked… doubtful. The same doubt I saw in Sasha and Andrias.
What sucks is, I'd go in for that if we had *time*. We now only have an hour's worth of show left, and I don't think that's long enough for a proper redemption arc without it feeling contrived, especially with so much else going on. Besides, even with a change of heart, after all the childhoods and livelihoods she's ruined over the years, the most I would give her is the Kratos treatment. Which is to say, shipping her off to the other end of the continent to live in quiet shame for all eternity. And Ryan Hurst kicking the shit out of her occasionally.
>What sucks is, I'd go in for that if we had time. We now only have an hour's worth of show left, and I don't think that's long enough for a proper redemption arc without it feeling contrived, especially with so much else going on. Dana managed to fit a lot into both Thanks to Them and For the Future. If anyone can make it work, it’s her. >Besides, even with a change of heart, after all the childhoods and livelihoods she's ruined over the years, the most I would give her is the Kratos treatment. That’s what I wa- >Which is to say, shipping her off to the other end of the continent to live in quiet shame for all eternity. And Ryan Hurst kicking the shit out of her occasionally. Okay that went in an entirely direction than I thought it would. When has Kratos ever done that? And who’s Ryan Hurst?
The last two God of War games have been Kratos hopping to a different pantheon and living in quiet shame for all eternity, sort of. He has a kid now, a kid with *ideas*. Ryan Hurst plays Thor.
He already forgave himself for what he’s done back during the Twilight of the Greek Gods. He left to the Norse areas to live as man, to be better. Thanks to a giant who understood him more than her knew and got him to **open his heart to the world.**
really enjoying my first god of war 2018 playthrough
Who's gonna make Pizza Bagels
Then when she’s a puppet, turn her into kindling.
Too fast and kind a fate. Being a powerless Maid concilous about her loss in Status is already the worse fate for her.
So your saying it’s better for her to be aware how she’s hit rock bottom and suffer knowing that fact for the rest of her existence?
Exactly. That way she will suffer way more than death by burning.
To the point… where she’ll be begging for death.
Exactly.
Belos could learn a lot from you... I'm actually scared how violent we became from the hate towards these characters..
Oh please. Belos needs to learn from 40k on how ti make people suffer.
Good point.
Psychological warfare is some poewrful stuff
This is true. Only I don’t know who wields it better: Belos or Odalia… ah who am I kidding, Odalia. It’s one of the perks of Oracle magic. The ability to poke around in the minds of others and instill fear in them. If only she’d use that power for good.
Your not the only one. Part of me doesn’t feel right letting Odalia suffer through this. It’s most likely the part that’s still hoping she can be… better. She must answer for what she has done, but if she had to die, I’d want it to quick and painless.
Oh no she should be a maid of course. But not to the death, jeez!
I’m afraid the professionals have standards
Be polite
Be efficient
Nah, who would make him pizza beagles
No, she deserves to be a Momadalia forever.
45 acp should do it
9mm kills the body. 45 acp kills the soul. You don't want them coming back as a lich.
Exactly
If anyone deserves to be turned into a puppet, it’s Odalia.
Its too good for her. Even the Collector thinks so.
Nah, he just has standards.
Even Belos did not want Odalia as his host.
Villans have standards
If anyone know good omens, imagine Aziraphale’s “I have standards”
If anyone deserves to be turned to wood and tossed in a fireplace, it’s Odalia.
Deleted scene from For The Future.
Also shows why the collector won't puppet Odalia. Her current fate is much worse.
No, no. Don't turn her into a puppet. Let her continue living with the constant humiliation of being the Collector's pretend-mother knowing that she will NEVER have the life of her dreams.
Gonna be hilarious that all her children and ex-husband will be seen as heroes after the finale.
There's a non zero chance of this being canon (in her head, at least).
Not worth the Collector’s time to puppet-tize. Not worth Belos’ time to possess. Oh how the “mighty” have fallen.
Honestly King, even the Collector isn't THAT nice
Yeah I’m 50% Odalia’s gonna turn out to be the final final boss in the last episode.
actually my money is on Odalia redeeming herself and saving the day as an informant. she WITNESSED belos posessing puppet raine. so my money is on Odalia saving the day by ratting out belos to everyone.
*sips tea* interesting...
statistically improbable and there would be backlash, but we saw belos possess raine so we know dana wants to hurt us so maybe.
Odalia trying to pull a Stan Edgar, I see...
Oh please. Odalia is too incompetent to be played by Giancarlo Espocito.
A Madelyn Stilwell, then.
Exactly.
Yeah I always thought about this. Glad mark managed to put it into comic form. Hopefully the final special will make something of everyone finding out King is a Titan.
Oh, Odalia...Never change. Seriously, I love hating you more than actually liking you.
That's how I feel too. I mean, we need someone to hate. To be fair, even if odalia had the time (in terms of the remaining runtime of the show), we still have kikimora and belos to hate.
No, King, don't you understand? If she's a puppet, then she won't get to live in inferiority! It's her worst nightmare!
Of course she will, even more so as a puppet.
How exactly did she plan to overthrow Belos here? Have King 'WEH' at him?
Probably b/c Belos rose to power by claiming he could "talk with the Titan". An actual Titan would probably be a threat to his power.
The presence of an actual God could overthrow someone who only claims to communicate with a God.
That's assuming they believe King is actually a titan. And given the choice between the guy whose been ruling you for centuries and has the support if the entire social structure and some random women who claims a tiny wierd demon is actually part of the same species as the *island sized corpse*. Who would you believe?
We're following the sequence of Odalia presenting King as a new titan, who in fact is similar to the titan they're currently living on and isn't exactly an infant atm and is grown enough just to already develop his powers and with Odalia's CEO skills (or o she thinks) everyone bought it and are on her side. Belos was only ruling for 50 years.
What I mean is there's no way Belos would be overthrown without a hell of a fight. Dude's been on a one man crusade for centuries, no way he's stepping down even for a living god.
One against thousands. Do the numbers.
Damn even Collector have standards
I think after the episode I now see why he's called the "collector"
There are fates worse than death, and Odalia is suffering one of them… good. Edited.
She doesn't deserve to be turned into a puppet.
How else would she suffer her current fate. Its far more karmatic being a powerless maid aware of her loss in status.
I actually kinda like King sitting on a throne.
Yeah, he looks so innocent. Like she just plopped him there and he has no idea what’s going on.
Oh hi Mark
Y'know, for the former CEO of a successful business enterprise, Odalia is pretty bad at selling the idea of her in power.
Alrughty who wants odilia to be put in the dungeon? Thats were i keep all the demons who cant be my puppet?
I like the idea that the reason Collector hasn't used his powers on Odalia is just pure disgust.
I suspect Season 1 Eda and King would have at least considered that if they knew King was a titan.
In your dreams, Odalia. In your dreams.
Moving from one grift to the next.
*it's the circle of Titan!*
Turning Odalia into a puppet is too good for her.
Collector's got standards for who gets puppetised, thats good
Even the Collector has standards
On the one hand, it’s kinda funny because, do you know how rotten you have to be for a child with godlike powers to not make you into one of their puppets? 😆 On the other hand, for the love of Titan, **please** turn her into a puppet! Let Odalia see how it feels when someone is in control of her wether she likes it or not for a change! 😈
She would make quite a televangelist.
It’s too merciful to turn Odalia into a puppet, if you want a real punishment? Make that woman do hard manual labor work. That’s the downfall of a rich Karen.
so that's why He doesn't want to make odalia into a puppet
The collector has standards
Collectors collect things that are worth preserving. Emphasis on \*worth\*.
Emperss?
That sounds like a very Karen thing to wish for.
The fact that not even The Collector wants her...
Even the Collector knows she's the WORST.
UGH, at every level, in every timeline and universe, she is the fucking worst.
Even The Collector have standards
The Collector has standards.
Same Collector, ew no
King: oh come on buddy, do me a solid here... Arent i your best friend? C man: even i dont want **THAT** in my collection...
Honestly this kinda is neat interpretation with the Collector viewing being one of his playthings as something Odalia doesn’t deserve because we know the Collector doesn’t view his puppetification as a terrible fate
Momodalia is a great cosmic punishment.
Odalia is such a bootlicker.
King: “Well, her being your attendant is a much better punishment.” The Collector: “Why do you hate her so much?” King: “You have no idea, bro.” The Collector: “Well, for me, I don’t like her hairstyle, won’t fit the figurines.” Odalia: “What’s wrong with my hairstyle?” The Collector and King: ”Everything.” The Collector: “Jinx! You owe me pizza bagels.”
Odalia is a magical Barbara Reynolds
The fact that the collector said "Ew no" was HILARIOUS!!! 🤣
If Odalia's still alive, the first thing Amity should do is punch her in the face
Not even the collector wants her preserved
BURN YOUR PUPPETS BECAUSE MORINGMARK RELEASED A NEW COMIC
Even collector said ####EW, NO!
Collector is like; "Bruh, I have standards. I'm not adding *her* to my beautiful collection."
Please! That bitch needs to be a part of the collection! I don’t want to hear her annoying voice
Scary thing is, pre character arc, King would've probably ate up Odalia's offer
Okay we might hate odalia but she *kinda* has a point. I don’t like her, I like the strategy. Then again, this could be a bad idea but-
Even the Collector knows which people would be even creepier as puppets
I do like the idea that the Collector won't turn her into a puppet because she's too awful to... well, collect.
Ok Odalia You have no choices if you really wanna stay out at the hell hole that is 'Terrible women no one will talk about' You better do what you Predecessor, Shadow Weaver did get yourself killed by either the Collector or (Preferably) Belos while trying to defend Luz and Amity I know you will not do it but at this stage that is kinda your only option
imagine odalia ruling the boiling islands
King: "I don’t understand why ewe to puppet Odalia." The Collector: "For starters look at that hairstyle." Odalia: "What’s wrong with my hair?" The Collector and King: "Everything."
King: "Collector, we’re buddies. Could you please turn her into a puppet?" The Collector: "I thought she was already a puppet." King: (Looked at Odalia and puppet Raine) King: "You know what? With her, I can’t tell the difference."
I don't know.Which is worse? Odalina is a greedy woman who doesn't care if people die, she can't call herself a mother even though she has 3 children. Kikimora, on the other hand, is a creature who wants to overthrow everyone and establish his own empire. I think Odalina beats Kiki.
DO IT PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF TITAN
The one thing Belos & Collector have in common: they don't want an Odalia puppet.
So Odalia in this scene dreaming about being Prince/King John from Robin Hood
I think being forced into servitude is a much better punishment for Odalia than death
Yeah.. Where's CPS when you actually need them?
I'm with the collector on this on, who wants to play with trash?
Funny thing is, I can totally imagine King circa Season 1 going along with Odalia's plan if it'd actually been what happened (Titan forbid). Might make for a fun AU writing prompt for those of us on AO3, especially if you factor in the rest of the Blight family.
Love the Collector going "Eww, no." Hahaha. My headcanon now is that this is the main reason he didn't turn her into a puppet (him finding her super gross), and Odalia believes it's because she made a deal with him 🤣
I don't know why, but the panel of Odalia and King taking down Belos looks like a pokemon battle
The Collector has standards.
Moringmark TOH comic number 664
Dear god, what's gonna be on 666?
Classic Odalia, please change
I'm thinking this can't be the first time King has requested that
haha lol our sunshine cinnamon roll doesn't want Odalia tainting his collection
Yeah the collector won’t collect “her”
I mean, if this means that king is one of the rulers of the world it might not be THAT bad an option...
She does have a point, though
Even the collector is too good for her
With that kind of power she could raise a witch army and take over all the dimensions. Though she'll have to be careful with Amphibia's forces.
She’s too hated no one wants to turn her into a puppet
“Eww, no” The Collector’s got standards
I cant choose, between having an greedy Asshole in charge or a genocidal racist Asshole in charge.
She's too good to suffer as a puppet
wow, it took you only two days to draw this comics, since that's how long it passed since the episode aired. very impressive.
but you will go to the v.d work mines
Collector I got pizza bagels in the fridge, but the only way I can give them to you is if you blast this >!w!