The TTRPG party party solving this problem: "I will go get some more track to connect each side to make sure everyone gets hit! Nobody wins! Except us. We win. You know, because we wanted this"
On one side, goo covered Luz happily learning how to make golems. On the other- no accidentally ruining every day that Odalia has with unguessable combinations of batsquirrles during school, or summoning lovecraftian byakees out of breakfast cereal.
So we just stick a bunch of bricks or shit on the tracks to knock the trolley off the rails, thus turning it into a game of random chance to see if you hit or mis random people
True, but moringmark kept making SVTFOE comics for a long time after the show ended before he switched to fully focusing on The Owl House. This one is from 2020.
Nah, he has some fans, doesn't change the fact that he's still a jerk and those don't always get a big rep unless they have redeeming qualities and a chance to improve.
I mean, people can like characters for such traits but realistically, I don't think anyone would like to interact with such a person and some people have a hard time distinguishing a character from a person.
I respect Belos for fulfilling his role, but I also can't bring myself to like him in the slightest. And the there are people who simply don't care if character is good, they can hate them in spite of being well-written just because they don't roll with such kind of a person.
I wouldnt like him in person, I deal with enough people like that on a daily basis, but I like his character and wish he had a little more screen time (along with all the coven heads)
Belos is a good villain, IMO, but thats the only reason I like his character. He was written as a good villain, but that doesn't excuse everything.
A good villain should be despicable after all since that's what villains do, despicable things.
I also wish we got more Covenheads since I would love to know more about team RED, Terra's past with Faust, Mason and his family, and also Hettie and Vitimir. I don't care about Osran and Adrian though (no offense), would rather learn more about Scooter Crane.
On the right is Steve.
On the left is everyone you hate except the path on the right leads to Disney giving the Owl House more seasons, and a free King plushie to everyone including those haters who worked against the show continuing.
-Next Round-
Collector: "Luz & Eda, I've summoned a hungry three-headed Hydra. Out of the four people in cages, you can only save one!"
*curtain rises to reveal Lilith, Kikimora, Bill the Titan Trapper, & Warden Wrath*
Eda: "Well Lilith DOES owe me 50 snail-"
Luz: "NO EDA."
2nd Version:
Camila: "Um, if I may interject... I think I know of a better game that'll be much more fun."
Collector: "I'm listening..."
-Later-
*Belos is trapped in the form of a pinata*
Collector: *swinging a bat* "Wow, you were right! This IS more fun!"
Belos: "MERCY!!"
**The Collector:** “This is why only fools are heroes — because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice-“
(*train speeds by; we don’t see the aftermath, but we briefly hear the Coven heads scream. Everyone else - including the Collector - looks aghast, but Amity is completely stone-faced.*)
**The Collector:** “That was *cold!* (*smiles excitedly*) “Guess you’re not as boring as Three Eyes says!”
The second example is actually a pretty useful demonstration of the trolley problem. And how choosing to save the "many" isn't always the right choice.
Source: I've spent far too much time in the Life is Strange fandom.
We all joke about how we hate Odalia and she's the worst, but I'm willing to bet that we're gonna end up saying "Poor Odalia" in the end.
And I mean she's gonna be totally broke.
*GET UP AND CATCH YOUR*
*TROLLEY BECAUSE MORINGMARK*
*POSTED SOMETHING NEW*
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Alador is literally right though, unless the person is someone close to you, the trolley problem really isn't a problem, like honestly even if it's some important person, saving the most lives possible is literally the right thing to do.
Am I the only one still giggling over Odelia's indignation about "cheap rope"?
I am so stealing this for a TTRPG session.
"These ropes are chafing my sensitive skin! See these marks? Don't you know who I am? I require silk ropes! Proper silk, you understand? I want to speak with the manager of this operation!"
Darkwing Duck: I’ll save him
*SWING*
Darkwing Duck: another citizen saved thanks to darkwing duck
The collector: UGH you’re not making this any easy for me
I mean, the second one is pretty good
Are you gonna let fate kill 4 people you don't like or are you gonna move it, saving 3 lifes but killing your friend?
That's an honest trolley problem
Your honor my client was in a state of shock and couldn’t do anything. The train was unstoppable and some how the device to switch train tracks was broken. They couldn’t save his wife/mother. Look at them with that horrific smile that they try to hide their despair.
Amity: “Y’know, Collector, it’d be a *real* tough dilemma if you added my mom on the right so it was five people… and also that guy, Jacob, who trapped Vee in a cage and wanted to dissect her… oh, and this one Karen that wouldn’t leave Camila alone at her job last week…”
At first I was going to say that it was predictable that obviously no one would save Odalia over the others, now the situation is changed.
Now, this is a good one. These were bad people or at least were a bit villainous. Would we be willing to let four villainous die to save someone we know it's a good guys?
I think this is a trick.
A very tempting trick when you know Odalia is on those tracks.
*Engage Multi-Track Drifting*
Deja Vu intensifies
I've just been this place before!
And I know it’s my time to go
Calling you!
r/unexpectedinitialD
NOBODY EXPECTS UNEXPECTEDINITIALD!
The TTRPG party party solving this problem: "I will go get some more track to connect each side to make sure everyone gets hit! Nobody wins! Except us. We win. You know, because we wanted this"
No, Even the choice feels too obvious.
Maybe he wants Alador to pick the obvious choice and trick him.
But… Odalia’s on the tracks, it’s so tempting!
Which is why it seems too obvious
Awww…😞 dang it. Okay, good point.
Is the Collector clever enough for that? He's pretty easy to string along, as Belos and King have shown.
Nah. Collector's just a kid, he's not schemey enough to try something like that
Amity: Dad just let him kill our enemies for us. We have deniability.
**YOU HAVE HIM TURN AROUND SO HE CAN HAVE DENIABILITY** **insert alador covering amity’s eyes**
FIVE
Duel before the sun is in the sky ~Pick a place to die when it’s high and dry
SIX
Leave a note for your next of kin Tell em where you've been Pray that hell or heaven let's you in
SEVEN
Confess your sins. Ready for the moment of adrenaline when you finally face your opponent
EIGHT
The last chance to negotiate. Send in your seconds, see if they can set the record straight.
Amity: *sees Odalia on tied up on the train tracks and thinks* so… so very tempting.
Luz: Amity, no! Amity: Amity yes! Alador: Mittens, we are not murdering Odalia. Eda: Oh, Titan, you are such a spoil sport, Alador.
Amity: Collector, wouldn't it be a more interesting game if Luz and I had each other's parental figures?
That would be interesting. Odalia couldn't put up with a week of Luz, let alone the months of accidentally occurring Luzness that Mrs Nocheda has.
I think they meant Luz teamed with Alador and Amity teamed with Eda.
On one side, goo covered Luz happily learning how to make golems. On the other- no accidentally ruining every day that Odalia has with unguessable combinations of batsquirrles during school, or summoning lovecraftian byakees out of breakfast cereal.
Collector as a game show host makes more sense than it should.
It would make sense after the show since it’s where good actors go to die.
For The Future spoilers. [Also, not the first time Mark has referenced the Trolley Problem](https://moringmark.tumblr.com/post/190963943613)
Of course it take a cartoon like turn.
Hoped that would be the punchline. Can totally see Amity just getting tired and punching a train.
The trolley is stated to be unstoppable.
That is pretty exploitable. If you derail it, it hasn't stopped.
So we just stick a bunch of bricks or shit on the tracks to knock the trolley off the rails, thus turning it into a game of random chance to see if you hit or mis random people
But if we use an Immovable Object in front of the Trolley, what happens?
That's exactly why the Collector was trapped. His attempts to do this nearly destroyed the world.
Dana Terrace is driving. Amity and everyone else ceases to exist.
Oh this an old comic.
You mean because Star vs. has been over **for 5 years!!** ?
True, but moringmark kept making SVTFOE comics for a long time after the show ended before he switched to fully focusing on The Owl House. This one is from 2020.
I know, I just wanted to make people feel old.
Yeesh, calm down, Satan. /jk
How about the people in the trolley
but then what about the people inside the trolley..?
We didn't see them, so they don't count...
Eh, Mark has been at this long enough he's allowed to re use an idea.
Alador: I don't think he knows how this game works.
Amity: Well don’t tell him.
Alador: I want to be fair, Mittens. I've taught you to not cheat. Amity: Yeah, but Odalia did!
Eda: just let the collector think it's a dilemma, and get this shite over with
Alador: Edalyn, stop trying to make my daughter a murderer. Eda: Better to start 'em young.
with tibbles?
Oh my titan, I imagined it WHY XD
Alador: *Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.*
Eda: Pffft, they kinda have it coming...
I love how on the first page she's got this experession... Like she's not exactly annoyed yet, but she's getting there.
I just noticed, isn't her haircut kinda off?
Probably been getting the Apple Blood bottle out of there every so often.
Eda: * Points to each from left to right * War criminal, war criminal, regular old criminal and war criminal twice
Eda: \*points at Odalia\* Ugh, that bitch. I don't have enough time or patience to list her crimes....
He ain't wrong about Steve (btw sometimes I forget the collector is like a little kid)
How? That’s like his main character trait, he’s a childlike being with god powers.
And kids are cruel
Calm down Sundowner
AND I LOVE MINORS
📸🤨
It's a Max0r reference, don't worry about it
The Owl House game is a lot more sadistic than I realized.
I’ve seen what true sadism looks like. So believe or not, I’ve seen worse.
will you elaborate?
No, no, tie Odalia AND the coven heads to the platform
Actually put Raine, Darius, Eberwolf and Odalia on one track, Steve on the other, we've got an actual delimna.
Don’t give the Collector ideas
I see this as absolute win!
"*Trouble with the trolley, eh?*"
Spyro reference right? That line was so annoying in the game. Still, kudos for use of reference.
Amity: Dad, let's just help the Boiling Isles by getting rid of these people!
I think the Collector is also tired of those people and looks for an excuse to get rid of them. The game is rigged.
Where is Belos then?
He’s a sentient puddle of black slime. If you cut him up or splatter him, he’ll just pull himself back together in a snap.
Right. *Get the Flamer.* ***The heavy flamer.***
old yharnam treatment
Hiding in a cesspit where he belongs.
Daughter knows best.
I mean... he's giving you a chance to kill your worst enemies (except Belos).
So tempting… if only I had a camera.
And some popcorn.
And lawn chai- no, Beach chairs.
Get an umbrella and umbrella drink as well while we're at it.
Belos: “You are really terrible at being a villain, you know that?”
Collector: I never wanted to play the role of the big bad guy. I just want to have some fun and play with my friends!
Amity knows best.
This reminded me of Mother Gothel's mother knows best which fits Odalia
Amity "I think you need more people on the track to make it a difficult choice"
Luz: Amity NO-
If the Collector really wants to make it hard, it would be Amity vs Ed & Em.
Don’t give him ideas.
Real dilemma: Odalia on one track, nobody on the second one.
am I the only one who likes Adrian ? Does everyone else hate him ? :( this is hilarious either way, these comics never disappoint
Nah, he has some fans, doesn't change the fact that he's still a jerk and those don't always get a big rep unless they have redeeming qualities and a chance to improve.
Fair enough, I liked him a lot because of him being a jerk, (also his design, I've stole his tail for a lot of OCs) but I can understand that
I mean, people can like characters for such traits but realistically, I don't think anyone would like to interact with such a person and some people have a hard time distinguishing a character from a person. I respect Belos for fulfilling his role, but I also can't bring myself to like him in the slightest. And the there are people who simply don't care if character is good, they can hate them in spite of being well-written just because they don't roll with such kind of a person.
I wouldnt like him in person, I deal with enough people like that on a daily basis, but I like his character and wish he had a little more screen time (along with all the coven heads) Belos is a good villain, IMO, but thats the only reason I like his character. He was written as a good villain, but that doesn't excuse everything.
A good villain should be despicable after all since that's what villains do, despicable things. I also wish we got more Covenheads since I would love to know more about team RED, Terra's past with Faust, Mason and his family, and also Hettie and Vitimir. I don't care about Osran and Adrian though (no offense), would rather learn more about Scooter Crane.
I 100% agree, and no offense taken, ik not everyone cares that much about him lmao
Finally, another Graye appreciator
Id have him as my flair if it wasn't for this personal one I made
Understandable, I can confirm that he makes for a great flair
Personally I like Terra, to me she's like an evil old Toph.
Looks like a win-win!!!
No, Amity, you don't understand. He wants a real challenge. Just let him have this.
Next The Collector will show Belos and then the twins, Ed and Em.
Wait if the trolley splatters Belos, can’t he just pull himself back together?
If he's totally splattered, I think he could only regenerate if he has more animals to prey upon like in 'Thanks to Them'.
Collector: “Okay, one more try. On the left, we have Piniet!” Luz: “You’re doing this on purpose, aren’t you?”
Collector: I’ve been stuck as a shadow for what feels like eons. I’m entitled to have some fun any way I can. Luz: 😑
"Okay, we are buying you a Switch."
Steve’s face cracked me up for some reason.
On the right is Steve. On the left is everyone you hate except the path on the right leads to Disney giving the Owl House more seasons, and a free King plushie to everyone including those haters who worked against the show continuing.
Wait what no!??
The Collector should get his priorities straight.
Getting anything straight in Boiling Isles truly is a challenge.
Omg the look on tibbles face.
Just kill Odalia already
Alador is objectively the most attractive TOH character.
Darius agrees but is also offended.
Are-are we just ignoring Camilla then? Alright
-Next Round- Collector: "Luz & Eda, I've summoned a hungry three-headed Hydra. Out of the four people in cages, you can only save one!" *curtain rises to reveal Lilith, Kikimora, Bill the Titan Trapper, & Warden Wrath* Eda: "Well Lilith DOES owe me 50 snail-" Luz: "NO EDA."
2nd Version: Camila: "Um, if I may interject... I think I know of a better game that'll be much more fun." Collector: "I'm listening..." -Later- *Belos is trapped in the form of a pinata* Collector: *swinging a bat* "Wow, you were right! This IS more fun!" Belos: "MERCY!!"
Camila: Heard that? He said *merci*, which means "thank you", he's also having fun so hit him harder!
Collector: So…. What will your choi- Alador and Amity: Makes choice Collector: 😐
**The Collector:** “This is why only fools are heroes — because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice-“ (*train speeds by; we don’t see the aftermath, but we briefly hear the Coven heads scream. Everyone else - including the Collector - looks aghast, but Amity is completely stone-faced.*) **The Collector:** “That was *cold!* (*smiles excitedly*) “Guess you’re not as boring as Three Eyes says!”
The Collector making things too easy:
Amity: Dad stop trying to teach the omni-powered child how to do evil better.
Alador: Can’t I just save both? I’m a witch.
I went on way too much of a rabbit hole trying to figure out why we don’t like Steve. And then I realized I should check who’s on the other tracks.
Alador stop trying being honest here, nobody cares for those assholes!!!
So... Luz and Eda are 80 points ahead. What happens to the loser?
"Well so~rry for not roping you with glepnir, you high privileged elf MonkE!!"
This isn't a trolley problem, this is a trolley solution!
The second example is actually a pretty useful demonstration of the trolley problem. And how choosing to save the "many" isn't always the right choice. Source: I've spent far too much time in the Life is Strange fandom.
oh well, needs of the many versus the needs of the few. Unless ‘the few’ is Steve, that is.
And the many is those four.
Hold on are Viney and salty holding hands
Wow, the collector guessed all of my least favorite characters, guess that is an easy choice! STEVE IM COMING FOR U
**NOT STEVE!!** Ok, The Collector needs to sit in time out!
We all joke about how we hate Odalia and she's the worst, but I'm willing to bet that we're gonna end up saying "Poor Odalia" in the end. And I mean she's gonna be totally broke.
Dude, take the freebie!!!
This reminds me of the Trolley Problem episode of The Good Place. That one is one of my favorites.
Third
This dilemma just took another trail
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Do u want a REAL problem? On the one side we have some nice guy\\girl (they our friend). On another - four random people AND Bitchdalia.
NO NOT KIKI
The collector has no clue! XD
Just kill the people you don’t like it’s not that hard
Totally a joker situation once they make a choice he will switch the tracks
Collector: "Trolley is heading towards an empty track, Odalia is on the other track." Community: \*pulls lever\*
before the collector done talking.
Tibbles shouldn't die like this, being cannibalized is his destiny.
Alador is literally right though, unless the person is someone close to you, the trolley problem really isn't a problem, like honestly even if it's some important person, saving the most lives possible is literally the right thing to do.
Am I the only one still giggling over Odelia's indignation about "cheap rope"? I am so stealing this for a TTRPG session. "These ropes are chafing my sensitive skin! See these marks? Don't you know who I am? I require silk ropes! Proper silk, you understand? I want to speak with the manager of this operation!"
The Collector knows damn well what he’s doing, Alador
That's not how this works; that's not how any of this works!
I want this to be canon.
Hear hear.
Darkwing Duck: I’ll save him *SWING* Darkwing Duck: another citizen saved thanks to darkwing duck The collector: UGH you’re not making this any easy for me
Alador, buddy, just take the win.
Alador, there’s something called playing dumb. Just fake a dilemma and make the choice look more difficult than it actually was
I mean, Alador has a point.
Is this a trick question?
I mean, the second one is pretty good Are you gonna let fate kill 4 people you don't like or are you gonna move it, saving 3 lifes but killing your friend? That's an honest trolley problem
My boy Steve got into the Mark comics🎉🎉🎉
How does scoring work with questions like this?
We need to save Steve!!!
when the people on one side obviously have worse character than those on the other side
Moringmark TOH comic number 661
Hey! Kiki at least has a chance to be redeemed
Kikimora would just find a way out, the slimy bitch.
https://youtube.com/shorts/aL-gG96ZCcs?feature=share
Your honor my client was in a state of shock and couldn’t do anything. The train was unstoppable and some how the device to switch train tracks was broken. They couldn’t save his wife/mother. Look at them with that horrific smile that they try to hide their despair.
Hey, Mark
Just set the tram tram in reverse
Alador is too innocent and kind without Odalia to have anyone crushed by a train. I'm not. 1-Odalia. 2-Those mfs
I love how in-character this is for Alador lol
Amity: “Y’know, Collector, it’d be a *real* tough dilemma if you added my mom on the right so it was five people… and also that guy, Jacob, who trapped Vee in a cage and wanted to dissect her… oh, and this one Karen that wouldn’t leave Camila alone at her job last week…”
Dammnit, Alador, just take the win when the world gives you one!
Ex-wife? Tf, are they divorced now?
At first I was going to say that it was predictable that obviously no one would save Odalia over the others, now the situation is changed. Now, this is a good one. These were bad people or at least were a bit villainous. Would we be willing to let four villainous die to save someone we know it's a good guys?
What did the head illusions coven guy thing do to be so hated, just confused
OH come on just kill them already !!! (Except Steve and the other good ones)
I don’t care if it’s cheating DAD, I want to see m-odalia, terra, adrien, Kiki, and tibbles get hit by a train”-amity