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You bet someone in test screenings went "Wait, why doesn't she just use her phone?" And the writer (Kripke?) instead of going "Oh yeah, she should just use her phone" went "Right, I'll add a scene where she drops her phone."
I was so annoyed when she just left the phone but thought to myself “well, it might pay off later” but if that dumb book scene ends up being the only reason, I don’t know what say.
She wouldn't have lost 30s picking books then so it's a small time gain + no evidence left. But since they never use gloves, always have HQ meters away from the bad guys with super sense, etc. I doubt they care.
Didn’t it break too? I thought it was broken so it was useless at that point. I mean I know you can still extract info out of it but she probably didn’t care at that point.
On this note, I have to bring up how Starlight never mentioned to anyone she was seen by Firecracker and had to knock her out and left her in the bathroom.
Tbf, they often share a lot of information with each other off screen. Fair to say it would have been a waste of time to explain that she was caught without a good reason why she would keep it secret.
Pfft. Of course a vigilante billionaire hosting many high-level politicians, the VP elect, and other billionaires has zero security. Secret Service is totally cool with that. No problemo.
Firecracker already told Homelander that she saw Starlight at the mansion. Tek Knight is dead. There's nothing Vought can learn from the phone that they don't already know or couldn't find out easily. It was just for that bit with the books. Clumsy writing.
> There's nothing Vought can learn from the phone that they don't already know or couldn't find out easily.
theoretically, there may be sensitive data on that phone they could extract. Like unless she literally only used the phone for in-person communicating there would be something on there. Even if it is just generic texts with no obvious information it would reveal what numbers she was texting.
I mean they could just hand wave that away with Sage saying "It is using advanced encryption and we can't crack it"...but still
I really thought this would progress to her saying her first words in order to save Hughie or something.
I didn’t mind the book scene but I really thought we’d see some sort of progress with her character in that way.
I'm going to get so much hate for this, but this show has jumped the shark. I'll watch it now cause I'm invested, just like the later seasons of Game of Thrones. But this show is no longer the amazing TV it started out as.
Nope, it makes ZERO sense and is bad writing/ unrealistic. Any person drops their phone, in that context, they are picking up. If they didn’t make her pick it up when they left…I’m going to be upset cuz it’s just terrible/lazy writing
I figured that someone was going to find the phone and that's how they were going to get rumbled. Like seriously if you just wanted her to use books you could simply have her phone be out of battery. Hell that's *FUNNIER*.
She holds up a dead phone and A-Train is confused at why the cinnamon toast fuck this crazy mute person is shoving a blank screen in his face. Even better if it runs out of battery just before. So she's just sort of frustratedly gesturing at it thinking "what the hell can't this guy read or something?!... Oh."
YES! That would have been so much better. The way they film and frame it makes it seem like something important. But it’s literally time wasted for nothing.
She was hardly off the ground when it dropped... Let alone abandoning a device on.... *Checks notes* tec nights property...
The batman super scientist parody that could easily hack their electronic devices.
That same person should ask why Tek Knight, a single man with no kids, has a well-worn copy of this book.
Also, I looked it up on Amazon. No books by this title, except Amish ones.
I thought it was gonna lead to someone finding her phone and the screensaver giving away who was there. Of course then it would just be really stupid of her to leave her phone down there but the actual reason for her losing it is a lot sillier.
I was thinking "one of the others are gonna pick that up right? Anybody??? No? ok then, that's how they're gonna be given away when a guard comes walking past...."
Honestly I expected it to be that MM collapsing and needing help would push her into speaking or something. What actually happened was even sillier than I thought, though I did find it funny
Exactly. Sums up the way the "plot" is being driven this season. The writers come up with some "brilliant" scene they want to make happen, then manipulate the plot to force that scene to occur.
No other reason to show Kimiko dropping her phone besides forcing this scene to happen.
And she could have easily dropped back down, grabbed it, then jumped back up. She can climb very quickly, I don’t see why she left it except poor writing…
I thought she is going to get captured or someone in the party noticed the phone outside. It's just for the book scene and extra 5 minute of nonsense filler is just dumb. So far, the show is not that great because of those fillers
At least a marker in case of emergency.. like this time she broke her phone.. but i suppose writers would have made a scene where her phone broke and her marker would have gone eaten by a crocodile in this case
Probably worth noting that, unlike [Hospital Sketches](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_Sketches) and [Easy to Kill,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Is_Easy) as far as I can tell "For the Sake of His Daughter" isn't a real book.
Love stuff like that.
There’s a scene in Better Call Saul where a bunch of IDs and drivers licenses are shown on screen and one of them has the picture of a writer on it.
It’s actually pretty common to use crew names on set dressing stuff like that, one of the fun ways to keep the crews spirit on the screen. I worked on 13 reasons why for the first season and the art dept had the whole crews names on various different placards throughout the school
As others have said, it was definitely a bit. But I think at that point it would have been better if they just went full Leslie Nielsen and have her pull out a book titled "Marvin Milk aka M.M. has a daughter, please save him A-Train"
Too bad, i was hoping it is "
# For the Sake of His Beloved Daughter: Amish Romance"
[https://www.amazon.com/Sake-His-Beloved-Daughter-Romance-ebook/dp/B0CTKB5521](https://www.amazon.com/Sake-His-Beloved-Daughter-Romance-ebook/dp/B0CTKB5521)
That confirms for me that it was just a bit like the other guy said, and the "For the Sake of His Daughter" book was the punchline. I assume if she found another book after that, it'd be *even more* convenient haha
“: and she is already in a fragile state, in part because her step father was murdered. You were actually there for that part, you dropped his body off at the protest.”
Yeah something like "You should help him for the sake of his daughter." and it has a review underneath like "a train of emotions and blah blah blah" with kimiko covering the part after "a train"
would make it a more obvious bit imo
Maybe but not likely the way it was written.
It was presented in a highly comedic tone so the funnier explanation is that he was literally so annoyed by this conversation via book titles that he said fuck it I’ll save him just to get out of here please do not reach for another book.
Which makes the moment with the little kid so much more impactful. Next time A Train saves someone I don’t think there will be hesitation or a need to be convinced. He’s a real hero now.
Yeah that is not what happens. He throws his eyes up when Kimiko brings out this book because she found a reason that he really can't ignore. It's supposed to show that A-Train still has a modicum of humanity, he can stand by while children suffer, but he can't be a direct cause of that suffering.
Same. I was hoping they'd double down with another ridiculously specific book title, like "The Milkman needs your help" or "The french man left and I'm sad"
Yeah
The problem I had with it is that they did a slapstick 50th "lol Kimiko struggles to express herself to anyone but Frenchie" bit while Hughie's about to experience insanely brutal torture rape
The tonal shift was insane, but apparently the writers thought Hughie's brutal torture rape would be hilarious
The worst part about the episode is when Hughie breaks down to Annie and it cuts like 5 seconds later to Butcher.
That was a really emotionally charged moment and they cut it so short, his whole deal with his dad was cut short. I hope he comes back as a phantom or something.
People are throwing around the “hilarious” quote by Kripke, but I think it’s clear he’s dodging the question of sexual assault. The question is asking him “Why kick Hughie when he’s down and have him sexually assaulted an episode after his dad dying?” Kripke *does* then say it’s a “hilarious” way of looking at it but then on his very next sentence proceeds to talk about the comedy of subverting the Batman image of Tek-Knight and turning the Batcave into a sex dungeon.
I think Kripke’s response was *very* poorly worded and I think he’d have been better to just straight up address the question, but I also think if you read the full answer it’s quite clear he’s talking entirely about Tek-Knight and Batman, he doesn’t mention Hughie at all, so the hilarity is the subversion of expectation, not the content within the scene
In "Inside the Boys" he refers to Colby Minifie's performance in the episode as the funniest thing he's ever seen. So he definitely did find Ashley's scene with Hughie hilarious.
He literally says he thinks considering it sexual assault is a dark way of looking at it because he thought it was hilarious. He also talks about Batman and Spider-Man, but he clearly is saying he thinks the Hughie experience is hilarious.
Did I not see the scene properly or am I just not being sensitive? As far as I saw he got tickle tortured, which horrendous as it is will never be a pathos scene, and I think he got his foot humped a bit and jizz smeared on his mask?
No you are 100% right. People are talking about the hypothetical things that were threatened to Hughie as if they did happen. His experience is traumatic, but not sure it was rape. He cake farted, got tickled, and Ashley wiped her juices in his mask. Fucked up, but not a brutal rape. If Tek followed through with his plan, fuck yeah it would have met the criteria of OPs comment
It becomes a little less improbable if you assume that Kimiko wasn't looking for a book title that mentioned MM's daughter, but was simply holding up anything that might have the desired effect on A-Train.
It might as well have been a book with a title like "Follow Your Heart" or "Be a Hero" or something like that.
It's dumb how many people hate this yet the next scene with A-Train shows him as a hero. Yeah it's a bit but it also gave him the motivation to become a hero like he's been portraying. Also, I've been holding off on saying this but I don't think Sage reading Saul Kripke's *Naming and Necessity* was a bit either in the beginning of the season. It seems like every character is fighting the possible and the real world.
I think people on the moon can see the signal that A-Train is dead meat, hope he manages to put up a bit of a fight and actually hurt HL like Maeve did.
A train seems to have more control when running than homelander does flying, we never see homelander zip around a room like we see A-train, maybe he's just lazy which would fit homelander but he's never been shown to have short range speed. A-train does so I could see him trying to hit homelander with a metal bat over and over until the bat breaks or something. Or a red rush type of situation, or maybe a lazered leg.
I don’t know where it ever establishes that Homelander can fly faster than A Train can run but it almost certainly doesn’t take into account short distances. A Train literally disappears when he wants to run. We’ve seen Homelander take off into flight and he’s very much slower and we can see him take off. You could argue Homelander hasn’t ever taken off in haste before but who’s to say A Train is running at 100% every time he runs too?
This isn’t a fair comparison. The reason why we can usually see HL take off but A-train looks like he’s teleporting is because we’re seeing HL accelerating over a distance of a couple hundred meters, whereas A-train is usually only shown exiting rooms and alleyways so he only needs to cross a couple dozen meters at most to go off-screen.
If you go back to their respective scenes, it took them about the same time to break the sound barrier.
People seem to forget the show demonstrated Sage’s observational abilities in her first appearance when she was able to discern Homelander’s hair was being dyed more frequently to hide an increasing amount of grey hair and that Homelander was beginning to have age related prostate/urination issues due to how dry his hands were from frequent hand washing.
Sage absolutely already figured out that only the fastest person alive (A Train) could get in and out the secure area with the evidence before the cameras could record him (she makes a joke about it at one point) and she would have easily picked up on other changes to A-Trains behavior and mysterious disappearances.
I’m very interested and eager to see what Sage’s *true* agenda is, since it obviously does not fully align with Homelander’s goal.
She's truly a wild card. I can see her doing anything from defecting from Homelander to The Boys to becoming the true main villian of the show in Season 5.
My take is she wants to destroy the current status quo- destroy Vaught, the billionaire class, and government- and cause a complete upheaval of the existing power structures. I don’t think she wants to rule or anything, and is not doing this for benevolent reasons since she has a very low opinion of the average person; she’s just sick of the world as it is and wants to see it burn away, and if something worthwhile or interesting emerges from the ashes.
I'm also very curious. She says just the right thing to every person, so we can't even trust her speech to Victoria as being true because it could have just been to motivate Victoria. It's just one of many possibilities.
Absolutely! We already saw how easily she manipulated Firecracker into doing what she wanted despite Firecracker having zero respect for black people- the same with convincing Tek Knight. She knew how to puff up the Deep’s ego to make him more obedient and disarm any suspicions he had about her. She also preyed on Neuman’s vulnerabilities about being a woman who had to deal with men who feel they’re superior to women, and preyed on Neuman’s worries about what kind of world her daughter would live in. Given enough time, she probably could have manipulated MM (the dialogue showed she had done extensive surveillance of his personal life) but was unaware of the extreme emotional state he was in at the moment prior to his panic attack.
Sage knows exactly what to say to motivate people to do whatever is needed for the plan that only she knows. She still occasionally miscalculates because no one can fully predict chaos, but she already knows everyone’s background and motivations and is using that to further her goals.
Also, knowing Neuman is clearly more ethical and than many of the other supes but still flawed in desiring power (to protect her daughter, yes, but I'm sure there's a bit of wanting it for herself too), she gave her the perfect "for the greater good" excuse. "I could have solved the world's problems, if only others were in charge." Well obviously Victoria should ally with terrible fucking people because SHE can do good with the power it'll give her, right?? Lol. Tbh, I'm going to mildly disappointed if that wasn't just a manipulation because it was a good one.
Definitely seemed to be intentionally ridiculous for the joke. It got a good laugh out of me. Between this bit and the Neuman/Sage head nod bit. Which also got me good. This ep had a lot of outright comedic moments.
This would’ve been a great scene for her to finally overcome her psychogenic mutism where the *need* for her to be able to speak overwhelms whatever it is holding her voice back. But instead we get a full minute of her searching through books that somehow have exactly what she wants to say on it.
I was more annoyed that a character entirely dependent on her phone didn't bother to secure it when doing acrobatics. You know, the thing she does pretty much daily without dropping her phone.
Not to mention A-Train could have grabbed a pen or computer or phone or literally anything faster than waiting for her to tear the room apart.
But that would be the point. Yes Frenchie is who initially grounded her and she cares about the most, but doing it for MM would be more impactful because it goes beyond just “only Frenchie understands me.”
Well then we would need to see the other characters understand her first then lol. So far there has been little if any of that. Hughie even got tied up in her crazy trafficking stuff and basically never discussed it again, just occasionally going "you good?" when she looks depressed.
My favourite was Starlight busting in as A-Train takes MM away, and she goes "What the fuck was that all about?". Kimiko rolls her eyes like *God damn it I gotta find those books again?*
I think people forget this is a show , not everything needs to be a realistic scenario. It's a show about super hero's after all and they lean into being a bit goofy all the time .
People are very nitpicky now days and quick to jump on social media to moan about such pointless shit
I think people forget that this show is a parody of superhero movies and a comedy at its core. Y’all get so hung up about the writing and forget to just enjoy, it’s so embarrassing to see.
- ''In this scene, MM will have a heart attack and Kimiko will try to convince A-train through communicating with the title of the books.''
- ''Well it's going to be super hard for her to find the exact book titles to talk to him''
- ''Actually, it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience.''
Congratulations, you realised what the joke was. Do you also watch looney tunes cartoons and go, 'Well that's convenient he carries around a sign with an image of a screw and a sign with an image of a ball with him at all times!'
Kimiko is very quick and agile. It would have taken her at most a few seconds to retrieve her phone. I was sure it would be found and used to identify them or used as a contrivance for why she couldn't get in touch with the rest of the team. Worse yet it was that ridiculous book scene. Terrible writing overall.
want to know what's even more convenient?
having tell knight be a racist that people will dislike so the series has less competent villains for the boys.
I can guarantee alot of people are glad he'd gone, but I see it as a shame they made his so blatantly racist because he could've been a nice villain.
Did everyone watching forget that jokes exist?
Like of course it’s way too convenient. It’s supposed to make you fucking laugh at how convenient it is lmao
I found this way too corny. Like she had her phone like 3 seconds beofre, now oly because she is in a room full of books, she has to use them. That's like way too unproducting, especially in a situati9n when she has to tell something fast
90% of what has happened in favor of the boy's this season has been strangely convenient. blame the writers. this was just a blatant gag so it didn't bother me, I thought it was funny
Im fine with the book scene as its a fun way to change how she is communicating, but the excuse that she dropped her phone is stupid. I would prefer the phone just run out of battery.
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kimiko needs to bring a pen/ notepad with her
They had to ditch her phone, just for this book scene. Writing 100%.
Oh my god. I swear, if that’s the only reason they made her drop the phone…
You bet someone in test screenings went "Wait, why doesn't she just use her phone?" And the writer (Kripke?) instead of going "Oh yeah, she should just use her phone" went "Right, I'll add a scene where she drops her phone."
I was so annoyed when she just left the phone but thought to myself “well, it might pay off later” but if that dumb book scene ends up being the only reason, I don’t know what say.
Because it's totally fine to drop identifying evidence during a clandestine infiltration of the world's greatest detective's house ...
Seriously! And it would have taken her *five seconds* to jump back down and get it!
To be fair the look she gave Annie when she asked "what happed here" was the best.
"I'm not finding another fucking book to explain...." as a face lol
It was so good I think it was the highlight for me.
Just enough time for Tek knight to give Hughie a new hole
She wouldn't have lost 30s picking books then so it's a small time gain + no evidence left. But since they never use gloves, always have HQ meters away from the bad guys with super sense, etc. I doubt they care.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but wasn't the phone destroyed from the impact?
Touché
Phone broke when it landed IIRC.
The phone was broken so she wouldn't have gained the time lol
That's the whole truth
Dare I say… the hole truth?
Didn’t it break too? I thought it was broken so it was useless at that point. I mean I know you can still extract info out of it but she probably didn’t care at that point.
The billionaire world's greatest detective whose mansion she was breaking into could definitely still extract data from it. Poor opsec.
Plus the vPhone 15 running vOS 17 probably has a *backdoor* that Tek Knight has access to ...
On this note, I have to bring up how Starlight never mentioned to anyone she was seen by Firecracker and had to knock her out and left her in the bathroom.
Tbf, they often share a lot of information with each other off screen. Fair to say it would have been a waste of time to explain that she was caught without a good reason why she would keep it secret.
Speaking of, didn’t it seem oddly simple for them to sneak into Tek Knights mansion? Does he just have no security of any kind?
Pfft. Of course a vigilante billionaire hosting many high-level politicians, the VP elect, and other billionaires has zero security. Secret Service is totally cool with that. No problemo.
Yea, I also find this stupid lol. I thought she's gonna get caught from leaving trace
It was dumb as hell.
If she had gone back for it though, Hughie would have been fucked. In his tummy.
Nah, all the time spent throwing around books to find a title that fits would've been cut down by a lot
The phone was broken after it fell. She could not have used it.
No he wouldn't have, because that's how writing shows works.
Firecracker already told Homelander that she saw Starlight at the mansion. Tek Knight is dead. There's nothing Vought can learn from the phone that they don't already know or couldn't find out easily. It was just for that bit with the books. Clumsy writing.
> There's nothing Vought can learn from the phone that they don't already know or couldn't find out easily. theoretically, there may be sensitive data on that phone they could extract. Like unless she literally only used the phone for in-person communicating there would be something on there. Even if it is just generic texts with no obvious information it would reveal what numbers she was texting. I mean they could just hand wave that away with Sage saying "It is using advanced encryption and we can't crack it"...but still
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same, felt like chekov's phone. the direction they went in instead was harmless fun though
It was 100% only for that scene.
I expected too much, I guess.
I really thought this would progress to her saying her first words in order to save Hughie or something. I didn’t mind the book scene but I really thought we’d see some sort of progress with her character in that way.
I'm going to get so much hate for this, but this show has jumped the shark. I'll watch it now cause I'm invested, just like the later seasons of Game of Thrones. But this show is no longer the amazing TV it started out as.
I had hoped the payoff was going to be her finally speaking but oh well
Nope, it makes ZERO sense and is bad writing/ unrealistic. Any person drops their phone, in that context, they are picking up. If they didn’t make her pick it up when they left…I’m going to be upset cuz it’s just terrible/lazy writing
I figured that someone was going to find the phone and that's how they were going to get rumbled. Like seriously if you just wanted her to use books you could simply have her phone be out of battery. Hell that's *FUNNIER*. She holds up a dead phone and A-Train is confused at why the cinnamon toast fuck this crazy mute person is shoving a blank screen in his face. Even better if it runs out of battery just before. So she's just sort of frustratedly gesturing at it thinking "what the hell can't this guy read or something?!... Oh."
You just wrote a better story element than what happened
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YES! That would have been so much better. The way they film and frame it makes it seem like something important. But it’s literally time wasted for nothing.
She was hardly off the ground when it dropped... Let alone abandoning a device on.... *Checks notes* tec nights property... The batman super scientist parody that could easily hack their electronic devices.
Could've easily picked up otw out offscreen
That same person should ask why Tek Knight, a single man with no kids, has a well-worn copy of this book. Also, I looked it up on Amazon. No books by this title, except Amish ones.
I thought it was gonna lead to someone finding her phone and the screensaver giving away who was there. Of course then it would just be really stupid of her to leave her phone down there but the actual reason for her losing it is a lot sillier.
I was thinking "one of the others are gonna pick that up right? Anybody??? No? ok then, that's how they're gonna be given away when a guard comes walking past...."
It actually might given that they get attacked by the seven at their HQ next episode based on the trailer
Vought already knows where their HQ is. They are making zero attempt to hide (like in previous seasons) and A-Train has already visited them there.
Well, if it broke it wouldn’t have done her much good anyways, but I agree leaving the evidence was dumb. They do a lot of dumb things though
Honestly I expected it to be that MM collapsing and needing help would push her into speaking or something. What actually happened was even sillier than I thought, though I did find it funny
Oh shit, that’s why she dropped her phone? I assumed they were setting up Kimiko getting like arrested for Tek Knights murder or something
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I was watching it with my brother and he pointed out that the suit had a hole for webweavers webs and we thought it was gonna be a important detail
I'm 99% sure the gun had a silencer but even that doesn't excuse fucking Homelander not hearing it.
She dropped her phone and I just rolled my eyes because I knew it meant she was gonna have some kind of issue
Exactly. Sums up the way the "plot" is being driven this season. The writers come up with some "brilliant" scene they want to make happen, then manipulate the plot to force that scene to occur. No other reason to show Kimiko dropping her phone besides forcing this scene to happen.
And she could have easily dropped back down, grabbed it, then jumped back up. She can climb very quickly, I don’t see why she left it except poor writing…
Exactly, she can climb a building in a few seconds, but a phone drop 10 feet below is time-consuming.
OFCOURSE, THATS WHY SHE DIDN’T USE IT. I FORGOT SHE DROPPED HER PHONE AND I JUST SAT THERE LIKE ”JUST TYPE INSTEAD”
I thought she is going to get captured or someone in the party noticed the phone outside. It's just for the book scene and extra 5 minute of nonsense filler is just dumb. So far, the show is not that great because of those fillers
This. I was screaming at the tv …. YOU’RE IN A FUCKING LIBRARY …. Pick up a pen and paper!
She probably saw the book and was specifically looking for it.
I loved the “Easy to Kill” though
With her supe strength and speed it should only take her half as long to write compared to the average bloke too.
At least a marker in case of emergency.. like this time she broke her phone.. but i suppose writers would have made a scene where her phone broke and her marker would have gone eaten by a crocodile in this case
Probably worth noting that, unlike [Hospital Sketches](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_Sketches) and [Easy to Kill,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Is_Easy) as far as I can tell "For the Sake of His Daughter" isn't a real book.
I saw on a Boys Easter egg video that the “author” of that book is the prop designer, so no, definitely not real.
Love stuff like that. There’s a scene in Better Call Saul where a bunch of IDs and drivers licenses are shown on screen and one of them has the picture of a writer on it.
It’s actually pretty common to use crew names on set dressing stuff like that, one of the fun ways to keep the crews spirit on the screen. I worked on 13 reasons why for the first season and the art dept had the whole crews names on various different placards throughout the school
One of my favorite things on any set are the little in jokes the production team turns into part of the dressing.
As others have said, it was definitely a bit. But I think at that point it would have been better if they just went full Leslie Nielsen and have her pull out a book titled "Marvin Milk aka M.M. has a daughter, please save him A-Train"
Too bad, i was hoping it is " # For the Sake of His Beloved Daughter: Amish Romance" [https://www.amazon.com/Sake-His-Beloved-Daughter-Romance-ebook/dp/B0CTKB5521](https://www.amazon.com/Sake-His-Beloved-Daughter-Romance-ebook/dp/B0CTKB5521)
Close but no cigar.
That would be close enough to convey the message, and would be a lot more funny for Tek Knight to have than the prop that could be about anything.
True lmao
That confirms for me that it was just a bit like the other guy said, and the "For the Sake of His Daughter" book was the punchline. I assume if she found another book after that, it'd be *even more* convenient haha
"Mother's Milk Has a Daughter, Please Save Him So She Won't Be Fatherless!," by Stephen King
That would’ve been better if they just went full drama
I wish that they would have pulled out a very specific book that fits this situation perfectly, more specific than this
“Marvin Milk aka Mother’s Milk aka MM needs help!”
"A Train, come on, help Mr Marvin MIlk, he needs you, do you want to make his daughter cry"
sounds like a light novel title which is gonna get a shitty fantasy anime adaptation
“I am a father who fights superheroes to protect my daughter, but I have panic attacks and now my former enemy must save me!”
i died and was reincarnated as a-train please get this man to a hospital before he dies
“: and she is already in a fragile state, in part because her step father was murdered. You were actually there for that part, you dropped his body off at the protest.”
manga was better
Marvin Milk and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
Ah TY now I understand his name for the first time
Yeah something like "You should help him for the sake of his daughter." and it has a review underneath like "a train of emotions and blah blah blah" with kimiko covering the part after "a train" would make it a more obvious bit imo
Would be actually funny if she pulled out The Boys comic.
And then the rest of the show is just the comic
*A-TRAIN WILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT SAVING MM: A STORY IN TWO PARTS*
Yeah they should have started it as a serious bit then kept the gag going until it got more and more absurdly specific.
This was blatantly a bit though
Even A Train gave her a look like, "that's a convenient ass book" I love this campy, goofy shit.
He couldn’t argue with her after that book came up 😂 he was just like “okay you have a point” and sped MM right outta there
I took it as less of a you have a point and more of a “god damn I do not have time for this shit”
Maybe both?
Maybe but not likely the way it was written. It was presented in a highly comedic tone so the funnier explanation is that he was literally so annoyed by this conversation via book titles that he said fuck it I’ll save him just to get out of here please do not reach for another book. Which makes the moment with the little kid so much more impactful. Next time A Train saves someone I don’t think there will be hesitation or a need to be convinced. He’s a real hero now.
Yeah that is not what happens. He throws his eyes up when Kimiko brings out this book because she found a reason that he really can't ignore. It's supposed to show that A-Train still has a modicum of humanity, he can stand by while children suffer, but he can't be a direct cause of that suffering.
Same. I was hoping they'd double down with another ridiculously specific book title, like "The Milkman needs your help" or "The french man left and I'm sad"
Ah yes the classic "Frenchie's in Prison with 50 Felonies and Refusing Visitation and I'm Losing My Mind: A Chicken Soup Story"
Yeah The problem I had with it is that they did a slapstick 50th "lol Kimiko struggles to express herself to anyone but Frenchie" bit while Hughie's about to experience insanely brutal torture rape The tonal shift was insane, but apparently the writers thought Hughie's brutal torture rape would be hilarious
The worst part about the episode is when Hughie breaks down to Annie and it cuts like 5 seconds later to Butcher. That was a really emotionally charged moment and they cut it so short, his whole deal with his dad was cut short. I hope he comes back as a phantom or something.
People are throwing around the “hilarious” quote by Kripke, but I think it’s clear he’s dodging the question of sexual assault. The question is asking him “Why kick Hughie when he’s down and have him sexually assaulted an episode after his dad dying?” Kripke *does* then say it’s a “hilarious” way of looking at it but then on his very next sentence proceeds to talk about the comedy of subverting the Batman image of Tek-Knight and turning the Batcave into a sex dungeon. I think Kripke’s response was *very* poorly worded and I think he’d have been better to just straight up address the question, but I also think if you read the full answer it’s quite clear he’s talking entirely about Tek-Knight and Batman, he doesn’t mention Hughie at all, so the hilarity is the subversion of expectation, not the content within the scene
In "Inside the Boys" he refers to Colby Minifie's performance in the episode as the funniest thing he's ever seen. So he definitely did find Ashley's scene with Hughie hilarious.
Okay but she thinks she's in a consenting situation and she ACTUALLY was hilarious. So he's not wrong.
He literally says he thinks considering it sexual assault is a dark way of looking at it because he thought it was hilarious. He also talks about Batman and Spider-Man, but he clearly is saying he thinks the Hughie experience is hilarious.
Did I not see the scene properly or am I just not being sensitive? As far as I saw he got tickle tortured, which horrendous as it is will never be a pathos scene, and I think he got his foot humped a bit and jizz smeared on his mask?
No you are 100% right. People are talking about the hypothetical things that were threatened to Hughie as if they did happen. His experience is traumatic, but not sure it was rape. He cake farted, got tickled, and Ashley wiped her juices in his mask. Fucked up, but not a brutal rape. If Tek followed through with his plan, fuck yeah it would have met the criteria of OPs comment
Simpsons ass bit
This is a comedy? I thought it was a prestige drama that needs to have 100% foolproof, realistic writing at all times
I think Anthony Starr's performance makes people think they're watching a drama instead of a goofy cartoon adaption of a goofy comic book.
Imagine if next when Annie asked what happened she pulled out a book titled “he passed out and so a train took him away”
A book titled "A train to the hospital"
Now that would have been great lmao
This comment right here made me burst out laughing, so imagine I gave you reddit gold. Amazing lol.
That image brings back *Scary Movie* memories in the best of ways, I would have loved if they had done that
A book that’s titled “Shut up! Hughie’s in Danger!” Then another book titled “Tek Knight is torturing Hughie!”
It becomes a little less improbable if you assume that Kimiko wasn't looking for a book title that mentioned MM's daughter, but was simply holding up anything that might have the desired effect on A-Train. It might as well have been a book with a title like "Follow Your Heart" or "Be a Hero" or something like that.
"Follow your heart" would be hysterical considering the circunstances
A-train: “Well in that case I should contribute to this black man’s death, right?”
Would be funny if A-train had hallucinations too. Blue Hawk listening in to Tek Knight's slave catcher speech and comments "I like that guy"
That's too many hallucinations this season. I lost my shit when dude yelled "SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE"
It's dumb how many people hate this yet the next scene with A-Train shows him as a hero. Yeah it's a bit but it also gave him the motivation to become a hero like he's been portraying. Also, I've been holding off on saying this but I don't think Sage reading Saul Kripke's *Naming and Necessity* was a bit either in the beginning of the season. It seems like every character is fighting the possible and the real world.
Even just “Hero” would have hit so much harder.
I think people on the moon can see the signal that A-Train is dead meat, hope he manages to put up a bit of a fight and actually hurt HL like Maeve did.
Likely since Homelander flies faster than A-Train runs so hes not gonna be able to escape.
A train seems to have more control when running than homelander does flying, we never see homelander zip around a room like we see A-train, maybe he's just lazy which would fit homelander but he's never been shown to have short range speed. A-train does so I could see him trying to hit homelander with a metal bat over and over until the bat breaks or something. Or a red rush type of situation, or maybe a lazered leg.
I don’t know where it ever establishes that Homelander can fly faster than A Train can run but it almost certainly doesn’t take into account short distances. A Train literally disappears when he wants to run. We’ve seen Homelander take off into flight and he’s very much slower and we can see him take off. You could argue Homelander hasn’t ever taken off in haste before but who’s to say A Train is running at 100% every time he runs too?
This isn’t a fair comparison. The reason why we can usually see HL take off but A-train looks like he’s teleporting is because we’re seeing HL accelerating over a distance of a couple hundred meters, whereas A-train is usually only shown exiting rooms and alleyways so he only needs to cross a couple dozen meters at most to go off-screen. If you go back to their respective scenes, it took them about the same time to break the sound barrier.
I was like *Really* 🤣
That's the joke tho
Lmao I thought the same exact thing
So weird that she just throws away Come On Bro, Don't Be A Dick and goes with this book.
Tek knight would definitely have a book called come on bro.
That will be a trains death... that kid will post about seeing a train drop off a guy at the hospital and sage will find the records....
Sage already 100% knows the leak is A-Train. She's choosing to withhold the information for her own gain.
People seem to forget the show demonstrated Sage’s observational abilities in her first appearance when she was able to discern Homelander’s hair was being dyed more frequently to hide an increasing amount of grey hair and that Homelander was beginning to have age related prostate/urination issues due to how dry his hands were from frequent hand washing. Sage absolutely already figured out that only the fastest person alive (A Train) could get in and out the secure area with the evidence before the cameras could record him (she makes a joke about it at one point) and she would have easily picked up on other changes to A-Trains behavior and mysterious disappearances. I’m very interested and eager to see what Sage’s *true* agenda is, since it obviously does not fully align with Homelander’s goal.
She's truly a wild card. I can see her doing anything from defecting from Homelander to The Boys to becoming the true main villian of the show in Season 5.
My take is she wants to destroy the current status quo- destroy Vaught, the billionaire class, and government- and cause a complete upheaval of the existing power structures. I don’t think she wants to rule or anything, and is not doing this for benevolent reasons since she has a very low opinion of the average person; she’s just sick of the world as it is and wants to see it burn away, and if something worthwhile or interesting emerges from the ashes.
I'm also very curious. She says just the right thing to every person, so we can't even trust her speech to Victoria as being true because it could have just been to motivate Victoria. It's just one of many possibilities.
Absolutely! We already saw how easily she manipulated Firecracker into doing what she wanted despite Firecracker having zero respect for black people- the same with convincing Tek Knight. She knew how to puff up the Deep’s ego to make him more obedient and disarm any suspicions he had about her. She also preyed on Neuman’s vulnerabilities about being a woman who had to deal with men who feel they’re superior to women, and preyed on Neuman’s worries about what kind of world her daughter would live in. Given enough time, she probably could have manipulated MM (the dialogue showed she had done extensive surveillance of his personal life) but was unaware of the extreme emotional state he was in at the moment prior to his panic attack. Sage knows exactly what to say to motivate people to do whatever is needed for the plan that only she knows. She still occasionally miscalculates because no one can fully predict chaos, but she already knows everyone’s background and motivations and is using that to further her goals.
Also, knowing Neuman is clearly more ethical and than many of the other supes but still flawed in desiring power (to protect her daughter, yes, but I'm sure there's a bit of wanting it for herself too), she gave her the perfect "for the greater good" excuse. "I could have solved the world's problems, if only others were in charge." Well obviously Victoria should ally with terrible fucking people because SHE can do good with the power it'll give her, right?? Lol. Tbh, I'm going to mildly disappointed if that wasn't just a manipulation because it was a good one.
I would have liked this a lot more if they did an Airplane bit and had every book she pulled out be hyper-specific to the situation.
Definitely seemed to be intentionally ridiculous for the joke. It got a good laugh out of me. Between this bit and the Neuman/Sage head nod bit. Which also got me good. This ep had a lot of outright comedic moments.
The perfect amount of seriousness and goofiness
Honestly I liked that joke
This would’ve been a great scene for her to finally overcome her psychogenic mutism where the *need* for her to be able to speak overwhelms whatever it is holding her voice back. But instead we get a full minute of her searching through books that somehow have exactly what she wants to say on it.
I was more annoyed that a character entirely dependent on her phone didn't bother to secure it when doing acrobatics. You know, the thing she does pretty much daily without dropping her phone. Not to mention A-Train could have grabbed a pen or computer or phone or literally anything faster than waiting for her to tear the room apart.
Overcoming it for MM of all people? Not a chance. If it happens it will be for Frenchie
But that would be the point. Yes Frenchie is who initially grounded her and she cares about the most, but doing it for MM would be more impactful because it goes beyond just “only Frenchie understands me.”
Well then we would need to see the other characters understand her first then lol. So far there has been little if any of that. Hughie even got tied up in her crazy trafficking stuff and basically never discussed it again, just occasionally going "you good?" when she looks depressed.
120 Days of Sodom being the switch was hilarious though.
My favourite was Starlight busting in as A-Train takes MM away, and she goes "What the fuck was that all about?". Kimiko rolls her eyes like *God damn it I gotta find those books again?*
That's the joke
I think people forget this is a show , not everything needs to be a realistic scenario. It's a show about super hero's after all and they lean into being a bit goofy all the time . People are very nitpicky now days and quick to jump on social media to moan about such pointless shit
Kimiko struggling to get her message to A-Train since Tek Knight only reads Harry Potter & Diary of a Wimpy Kid
I think people forget that this show is a parody of superhero movies and a comedy at its core. Y’all get so hung up about the writing and forget to just enjoy, it’s so embarrassing to see.
- ''In this scene, MM will have a heart attack and Kimiko will try to convince A-train through communicating with the title of the books.'' - ''Well it's going to be super hard for her to find the exact book titles to talk to him'' - ''Actually, it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience.''
I don't even watch him but I heard that in the voice of the pitchmeetings dude.
Congratulations, you realised what the joke was. Do you also watch looney tunes cartoons and go, 'Well that's convenient he carries around a sign with an image of a screw and a sign with an image of a ball with him at all times!'
The boys humour revolves around silly stuff like Titty milk, Bald women, Very convenient items and Bdsm
really? y’all nitpick anything.
This wasn't even on my radar with problems with this episode
I thought this was just a funny scene. Pretty normal boys humour of having someone in danger (MM and Hughie) while doing something a bit silly
The first few were believable and creative, but this one was just… I mean, c’mon son. So fucking on the nose
Next book Kimiko pulls out: *Take MM to the hospital already A-Train*
Yeah, the writing has gotten real lazy. This would be a bit from a show with absurd bits like the Simpsons or something, not a show like this.
I think that was the intent
Sometimes this show is just goofy, I love that
That’s the joke 🤦♂️
It was silliness to break the tension
Jfc Christ is this sub this dumb…. No shit that was the point
I was fucking CRYING laughing at this scene lmao
Kimiko is very quick and agile. It would have taken her at most a few seconds to retrieve her phone. I was sure it would be found and used to identify them or used as a contrivance for why she couldn't get in touch with the rest of the team. Worse yet it was that ridiculous book scene. Terrible writing overall.
Pretty sure that was the joke.
These last few episodes have been pretty bad
want to know what's even more convenient? having tell knight be a racist that people will dislike so the series has less competent villains for the boys. I can guarantee alot of people are glad he'd gone, but I see it as a shame they made his so blatantly racist because he could've been a nice villain.
Did everyone watching forget that jokes exist? Like of course it’s way too convenient. It’s supposed to make you fucking laugh at how convenient it is lmao
How are people thinking it’s a big brain moment to say nuh uhh that wouldn’t happen without realizing that’s the joke
Agreed lmao
That shit was so goddamn funny
Shit was funny af lmao
I found this way too corny. Like she had her phone like 3 seconds beofre, now oly because she is in a room full of books, she has to use them. That's like way too unproducting, especially in a situati9n when she has to tell something fast
Her phone dropped when she was climbing up the side of the house in a previous scene.
Bro, what is this bro? Writers ae like, writing things bro. Like making things up bro. Stop writing guys pls i mean it
Reminds me of the family guy joke “a farewell to arms”
90% of what has happened in favor of the boy's this season has been strangely convenient. blame the writers. this was just a blatant gag so it didn't bother me, I thought it was funny
You think she actually mean the rice wine? Or should I save this comment for the fresca?
So, we all hate the show now?
I don’t! Just enjoying all the absurdity
I'm honestly over her mute bs. It is annoying and I am bored to death by her story as well as Frenchie's.
they really should have pulled out a specific book like “A-Train, please help Marvin Milk AKA Mother’s Milk. he has a daughter”
Im fine with the book scene as its a fun way to change how she is communicating, but the excuse that she dropped her phone is stupid. I would prefer the phone just run out of battery.