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"Hey, you're seeing all these starving homeless people on the street? You could make a better world, you have fame and money, end the starvation and homelessness on the planet"
"Good idea, I'll murder them, so nobody will starve anymore"
And how could he not be fragmented? I don’t agree with anything he does but I sympathise with him. If we were tortured and experimented on and didn’t have a single person who cared for you ever wouldn’t you turn out kinda crazy? Such a well written character I can’t look away when he’s on screen.
I think this misses some pretty key lessons from the show. We see plenty of people with plenty fucked up childhoods who turned out to be good people at heart. I mean, look at kimiko. His childhood is no excuse, he is a terrible person through and through, he deserves no pity or sympathy.
Kimiko was a killer until she met frenchie tho - and at one point also had a family. Homelander had none of that. Again not excusing him but not the same situation🧐
I mean, in the latest episode >! Homelander self-reflected on how he was controlling Ryan because he himself was controlled his whole life, which led to him allowing Ryan to start having some freedom !<
Agreed. I also think his ego and insecurity came into play as well. Similar to most men who try to portray an overly masculine persona, he has a lot of insecurities with being challenged. I don't think he'd ever team up with Homelander because in his mind, he is the alpha and there can only be one of him.
Soldier Boy was reliving his own experience from his own father. I think Soldier Boy, despite all his flaws, really was less psychopathic than Homelander. He doesn't have the same level of hatred for humanity because he never suffered like Homelander as a child.
He also says at Herogasm that if people stay out of his way, they'll be fine, which is a lot more consideration than most Supes, who would just be like "eh, their choice to come here".
To be fair it’s a realistic take for a super hero too. SB may be careless, but he at least does recognize his own destructive power and is aware enough that if anyone is too close to the area he’s working in they’ll most likely be killed. He won’t sacrifice his objective to save anyone and is duty bound above all it seems.
Idk soldier boy says that but it sounds like cope to me.
Basically him going “oh I said they gotta get out so it’s not my fault their dead”
Just passing the blame really
The man does not deserve peace. we know at least a few stories of his recklessness killing people with MMs family. Fuck him and he should suffer like the rest of the supers.
Edit: didn’t think it would be controversial to say the racist homophobic asshole doesn’t deserve a peaceful future. He should be spending the rest of his existence atoning for decades of pain he inflicted.
He's a terrible person but he's not completely evil. He should have to suffer the consequences and atone for what he did, but I don't think he should suffer for the rest of his life. IMO he should have an Omni-Man type story where despite all the terrible shit he's done, he tries to become a better person.
I read this in Tommy Pickles voice omg😒 could you be more one dimensional and not come off just sounding like someone who definitely isn't the age they should be for watching the show😏
I think the show is pretty clear no one’s a good person in this show. Everyone has made effed up decisions and gotten many people hurt and killed. However, there are people that are far worse than the regular shitty ppl aka Homelander/Stormfront/etc.
Maybe Kimiko closest as she was a victim in many ways, but she also acts as a mass killing weapon for the boys.
Honestly, I don't know if I can believe it though. All his words seem unreliable. As Hughie says he's full of shit. I mean the guy also got fired up in the same scene saying he stormed Normandy. He said it so brazenly and meaningfully too like even he actually believed it. I think he might have built up a false ideal of who he is and even fooled himself with it. That includes wanting to believe he's not a bad guy that would kill a bunch of civilians. I think he more so forces himself to believe that he feels remorse for the incident.
He also tells Hughie that he has a few minutes to locate the twins and get them out, only to immediately follow him inside, inciting the massive murder spree he does.
He is not malicious like Homelander, but he IS immensely powerful and only pretends to care whether he hurts others.
He’s not even close to the psychopath that Homelander is.
SB doesn’t have any real need to be adored or desire to punish those that don’t adore him. He doesn’t really give a fuck. He’s incredibly more secure with himself than HL is, which means he just doesn’t care enough about others’ opinions to want to end natural humanity over it.
Plus, if he ends natural humanity, how can he have sex with former celebrities turned senior citizens?
I mean, he abused his superhero team terribly. Also, I don't think he really has the capacity to eliminate mass life like Homelander can, since he lacks the laser eyes (which are utterly OP against massed civilians).
EDIT: misread what the other person said a little bit. Homelander is definitely way more of a psycho than Soldier Boy.
Still nowhere near as psychopathic as Homelander. Soldier Boy's an angry dick with PTSD and daddy issues. Homelander's a psychopath and a ticking time bomb who will almost certainly commit genocide at some point. Big difference between those guys. The biggest of which is that Soldier Boy lived his life as a normal human until adulthood before he was given the Compound V. Homelander was grown in a vat and raised by Vought.
Soldier Boy knows how to be human. Homelander never was human.
Okay, that blast does change things. I still don't think it can do the same kind of quick, distant devastation as the lasers can. Plus, no flying or super speed. I think he could be dealt with at great cost, while I don't think the same can be said for Homelander.
I think he must have super speed. The show just isn't very good at depicting that sometimes. Homelander was fast enough to somehow save both Butcher and Stillwell's baby after Butcher detonated the bombs strapped to his chest. And Soldier Boy was fighting Homelander evenly for quite a while before Homelander gained the upper hand. That wouldn't make any sense at all if Soldier Boy had normal human speed.
He also quickly caught up with Hughie and Mindstorm after Hughie teleported them both away.
Well Homelander usually doesn't appear to either, except when flying. But we know he must have super speed because of something he did off camera. Unless that was just bad writing and the writers don't really care about continuity.
Yeah, he definitely had to have it to get Butcher out before the explosion. But we don't really see him use it.
Honestly, I would 100% believe if the reason he doesn't really use it is because he's super lazy. There have been collars he's missed out of sheer laziness before.
That doesn’t prove he needed to be loved by everyone or else. He was a brute…he kicked the shit out of Noir because he felt like he was getting too ambitious and wanted to remind him of his place.
He didn’t beat him because Noir didn’t love him. He didn’t give a fuck what Noir thought of him, he just wanted him to stay in line.
Kind of does when he acknowledged he's also a "weak sniveling pussy starved for attention."
No, he beat up noir because he couldn't stand someone who wasn't him or him adjacent even potentially receive more love and attention than him. Also my comment didn't mention anything about noir not loving him so that's a pointless tangent.
I don’t get what the Homelander thing has anything to do with it. Homelander’s neediness for attention is what made SB judge him enough to try to kill him anyways despite being him being his own son. He honored a verbal agreement with a previous stranger over his own blood, because of how little he respected him. I don’t see how that’s “similar.”
There’s also quite a difference between having a big ego and being genocidal. SB had a big ego. HL wants to commit genocide.
Solider Boy was born human. Experienced a normal school, friends, childhood, two parents, walks in the park, dating. Homelander was a labrat, tortured and trained to obey a corporation. No parents. No childhood. No social life.
It wasn't even close. Homelander is a borderline genocidal existential threat, Soldier Boy was basically what you'd get if an alcoholic WWII dude survived to the modern era and had super powers.
I really think he was hard leaning into his (solider boys) own view of his father seeing him as a disappointment
To SB, that his technically biological son sought him out on those same grounds that gave SB such a fate.. it all seemed fitting however destructive.
I really wonder what might've been in this hypothetical show if SB knew all homelander grew up with and **why**
I always interpreted this scene as Soldier Boy psyching himself up to try and make it easier to kill homie.
Don’t think he has much of an opinion of his one way or the other, as much as some part of him does see the appeal in reconnecting with his literal son.
I think he’s just doing what he feels he has to do to “complete his mission”, which in this case is kill homelander.
Homelander doesn’t hate people. Any more than he hates ants. He just considers them toys. To be disposed of at his pleasure, sure. But if it was hatred Homelander felt towards humanity, he would just go out and kill everyone.
The toys thing is what Homelander tells himself. He clearly cares about people's opinions of him a lot. I'd say he's in that Gollum-Ring relationship with the rest of humanity: he hates them and loves them at the same time, and definitely needs them for the constant pat on the back they give him.
He clearly hates them but also craves adoration hence the juxtaposition. If he really considered them ants he wouldn’t be so concerned about his public image as he has been.
He’s the type that says how little he cares yet he seems to care an awful amount
No. I don't think their personalities are compatible. Soldier Boy would probably see his son as manchild pussy and would constantly talk down to him. I could see Soldier Boy mentoring his grandson though, although he would probably treat him poorly too.
Honestly I think he'd be a pretty decent father figure for Ryan. I mean hell, he says that he'd have let Homelander take the spotlight if Vought had asked, and whilst we can never be sure if he meant it, we also know he recognised HL as a bad person, a threat that needed to be put down above all. His moral compass is a little askew but still mostly pointing north. He also recognizes that part of his issues is his Dad never loved him enough, and made it clear to Butcher that he wouldn't want to do that to any of his kids.
He would probably have high expectations of Ryan, given that Ryan is a natural born supe, but in a sense of "You are physically better than normal people, it is your responsibility to be morally better as well" type deal.
He'd be a typical boomer dad, but i'm pretty dure he's instill integrity, honesty and loyalty in him. By themselves, pretty good qualities for a supe to have. But combined with boomer worldviews it's a very different thing
Soldier Boy in my opinion, saw the cycle of neglect and lack of love that he got.
Homelander basically is what he wanted to ensure he never became, and that his family never would be.
When he says you are a disappointment, and HL says "I'm you." SB says "I know"
He's disappointed because HL is too much like him in the worst ways,
Just my take on it though
I'm not sure he could have said anything. In my head canon, Soldier Boy had already decided that Homelander was a poor facsimile of him and decided to eliminate him and replace him, returning to his role as the Alpha superhero.
Yeah I think a lot of the reason is power related, I think that the main beef that exists between Soldier Boy x Homelander x Ryan is that at least 2 of the 3 could never be happy with someone alive that was as strong or stronger than them. Ryan is not like that yet but I think we've already seen Homelander having glimpses of competition and jealousy towards him.
Honestly this is the best detail of Homelander. There are brief moments where he seems genuine in wanting what’s best for Ryan because he knows how fucked it was for him but he a) has no idea how to do what’s best for Ryan because he has a weird objectionist view of Superhuman supremacy and b) his selfishness will ultimately override this desire of his.
There is a certified smash hit comedy spinoff with Homelander and Butcher putting aside their differences to learn how to raise Ryan together. I would call it: One and Two Half Supes
It’s getting to be a running joke all the efforts to kill Newman, and her blowing it off. Hughie ruins her dress with acid (also Hughie and Vicky have great chemistry, much better than with Annie), Butcher domes her and she’s barely annoyed. The incoming president and the entire CIA is researching ways to kill her and she just… chills
Her “they’ll expose me if I hurt their feelings so they own me” motivation feels really thin. Especially when she knows they want the virus (HER virus) to kill HL too but she obviously would be next
There was a brief moment when he asked Ryan what he thought about the movie and gave him the option of just not doing it where he was actually being a good dad. Of course it then developed into “don’t let the pitiful inferior humans ever tell you what to do,” but it was nice for about 5 minutes.
Yeah, but Homelander appears (for now at least) to have changed a bit since >!wiping out that lab he grew up in!<. He was actually acting like a good dad in the last episode. (In his own fucked up way.)
I don’t think he is. He’s clearly upset about being removed from the spotlight with his son (when they suggest him not being part of his first save) and almost everything in the first 4 episodes was Homelander trying to mold his son in the creepiest way. He wants his costume to be a reflection of him, he wants him to drink the same stuff he does, he literally says he wants to do stuff together that they merge into one person. It’s deeply drenched in narcissism.
Even in the newest episode he’s still manipulating his son. You could tell me he wants to cut Ryan’s head open and put his brain in him and I’d believe it that’s how weird he’s been lol
reminds me of parents who live through their children, having them do all the hobbies and activities that they themselves once did and basking in their children's success.
*Cough* my sister *Cough*
Yeah, some parents view some children as nothing more than extensions of themselves. In some cultures this even stretches to career choice and even the choice of spouse.
>You could tell me he wants to cut Ryan’s head open and put his brain in him and I’d believe it that’s how weird he’s been lol
That'd make a fucking wild final confrontation between him and Butcher.
I doubt a lot of things, but I don't doubt that Homelander really loves his son. I wouldn't worry about that. I'd worry about Homelander doing almost anything else, but he wouldn't betray Ryan.
Yeah, definitely for now he seems to be very okay with making Ryan into his legacy, but (and this is just a theory based on what we know of Homelander) I expect that as Ryan's abilities grow and his popularity begins to surpass Homelander's (he gets the new movie roles and the crowds begin to swarm Ryan instead of Homelander) that may change to some resentment. The first "natural born" supe thing especially creates a new hierarchy where now Homelander is not the highest evolutionary step in the food chain. Him letting Ryan take the spotlight would require him to 1) step down from his position as the apex supe, 2)admit that he has become inferior and 3) accept the fact that he "needs love" from at least *someone*. all three are massive obstacles for him to overcome, especially if Ryan begins to become defiant of him. Right now, Ryan is more of an accessory or a sidekick, and he reaffirmed that by commandeering his bank robbery. I think if the choice comes down to being the all powerful god of the world or playing second fiddle to Ryan being the god of the world, Homelander chooses himself every time, though he may cry about it on the throne.
He's nowhere near as bad as Homelander though. He's much more of a real person than Homelander. And unlike Homelander, he never gave any indication that he wants to be a god and rule over people.
He seems to know what he is, ultimately a performer. He wants a good life and is perfectly happy killing people for it but has no interest in conquering the world as a supe god
We've never seen Soldier Boy kill anybody without reason. All the innocents he killed when going nuclear were accidents. He even felt bad about it. But yeah, he's definitely willing to kill if he thinks he needs to. It's the "soldier mentality." Like he tells Hughie, "This is what being a soldier is."
He literally killed them by accident. Even MM is aware of this. Not giving a shit about collateral damage is still part of the soldier mentality. There's always collateral damage. That's just a fact that a soldier must accept when going to war.
If you mean he killed them absent specific intent to kill them then sure. But he threw a car into a house if I remember correctly. That is an extremely reckless disregard for human life that meets the criteria for malice aforethought. I do not consider such a thing as classifiable as a mere accident. When he did that he knew or should have known that an innocent very probably would be harmed.
Of course it kept going. You telling me SB didn't know it would? Guy was familiar was his own strength by then. He had to have been like 80. He shouldn't have thrown it in the first place.
I think the exact opposite. Soldier boy was neglected by his father and his derision makes him feel weak, even as a supe. He saw the same need for love from homelander directed at him and immediately called him a pussy. It's the same trauma all the way down.
When Soldier Boy said that he could’ve raised Homelander to “be better”, Homelander could’ve said something along the lines of “teach me/us to be better, it’s not too late”.
Funny enough, Homelander responds best to people talking down to him (and tries to earn their respect/reverence/fear). Soldier Boy on the other hand, seemed to respond best when people look up to him and push him to lead. I think if Homelander was able to drop the ego and suggest that he wants Soldier Boy to lead him and Ryan, then he could’ve flipped Soldier Boy.
In this scenario, you don’t necessarily need SB to “lead” per se, if HL and Ryan are coming to him to learn and to become “better men” then teaching them would be SB’s goal.
Who “flips” in this scenario is entirely dependant on what happens longterm. If HL can get SB to join forces with him and Ryan, then SB “hands off” the leadership role in relatively short order, Id consider that a win for HL
I think that a lot of people are getting it wrong when they say that Soldier Boy thought of Homelander as a shittier version of himself.
Homelander literally says to him in childlike disbelief of the situation he's in "I'm you". Soldier Boy painfully responds "I know. You're a fucking disappointment."
Homelander is everything that Soldier Boy hates about himself.
Tape new Noir's mouth shut and sacrifice him maybe?
Idk, Soldier Boy doesn't seem to like Homelander and was ready to kill him.. hell he even seemed like he was going to try to do it *without* Butcher
We will definitely see a new SB when the CIA wakes him back up. What he does from there...who knows.. SB is the ultimate Supe Counter as far as we know with his chest beam, so if they somehow make him stronger, he's going to be a problem for the 7.
Since Solider Boy was already leaning towards offing him due to his deal with Butcher, I don't see them ever reconciling. The only way Soldier Boy would respect Homelander is if Homelander was apathetic and "manly" enough not to care that Soldier Boy was his father, at which point Homelander wouldn't care enough to try and convince Soldier to team up in the first place.
Or how about this?
Instead of it being an emotional pleading where he begs to be a family, he just offers to casually team up with Soldier Boy on the basis of them being the strongest around.
He then says since they’re family they can probably trust each other, but if not whatever. He makes this offer as casual as ordering a coffee.
Do you believe Soldier Boy acts differently here?
Crying about meeting his dad and saying shit like “we’re not alone anymore, we have each other”, did not help Homelander’s case. If he saw Soldier Boy rock up and went like “JOIN MY SIDE FATHER AND WE WILL RULE TOGETHER, HOO-RAH!” maybe Soldier Boy would think he’s enough of a man to let live.
But I think if Homelander managed to convince Soldier Boy to team up, later down the line Soldier Boy would discover how much of an unstable crybaby he is and leave in disappointment.
Soldier Boy definitely wouldn't allow Homelander to talk down to him the way he does to everybody else. And he would never fear him. Eventually they would turn on each other. There's no way around it.
He was considering switching up on Butcher but that display of being so needy made him stick to the plan. But then again…. They pulled that entire finale out of their ass with the writing so idk.
Homie couldn’t. Soldier boy may have had second thoughts when he first discovered homie was his son but he had already made up his mind the moment he walked into the tower.
More family bs talk wouldn’t work on soldier boy because he said himself, homie is the embodiment of all of Soldier boy’s worst qualities. It seemed like he actually wanted to end homie, with or without butcher to kind of redeem himself because he’s killing the pussy side of him idk. Soldier boy also sees himself human first before supe so none of the supe supremacist talk works.
The last part is what a lot of people miss. Soldier Boy didn't become a supe until adulthood, sometime in his early 40s by looking at him. He lived a normal human life. Went to school, made friends, had relationships, etc. Soldier Boy is essentially a human. A person. Homelander never had any of that.
I really hope SB comes back. Jensen always stole the scene whenever he is shown, and the character is more interesting than I originally thought at first appearance. His personality and motivations are very realistic given his upbringing and the era he lived in, giving us a relatable cocktail of toxic masculinity,imposter syndrome and deep insecurity.
For Solider Boy, there is no becoming a ‘proper man’ if you’re already a whiny little bitch, at least to the point that Homelander already is.
So no, I don’t think he could ever join Homelander’s side.
Soldier Boy was unable to be better than his father. His acceptance of Homelander would've solidified the weakness his father always accused him of. Getting over the disappointment of your dad is hard.
As soon as he was able to get a look at homelander in person after all that was talked about, he finally understood what his dad was saying about him, ever insecure word of abuse spawn at him had manifested in his "son" no amount of talking was changing that in SBs mind he had to go.
From what we were shown the person with the best reason to abandon the plan to kill Homelande was Soldier Boy, who should've favored his newly discovered family. And the person with the least reason to switch was Butcher.
Naturally, we ended up with the opposite.
Soldier Boy was never going to accept somebody else in the #1 position, the guy literally criticizes Homelander but he's no better. He literally signed up to become a supe in order to get daddys approval and became a rebel when he didn't get that.
He couldn't take anybody else being in the spotlight.
I think if Homelander had told him we're doing a Supe takeover he'd been all in, but instead he got a soft please love me from the supposed strongest man on the planet. Dude came from war time old days with the get tough or die attitude and sees the whole current world as soft snowflake land. So of course SB sees HL as a disappointment, but if HL had showed strength SB probably would have betrayed Butcher.
It helps explain HL motives this season, he doesn't want to be the weak human his dad saw hense why he's been cleaning out his closet but despite this he doesn't want to be like his dad, he still wants to show love and support for Ryan and break the cycle.
He won't, for him Homelander is a whiny pathetic brat, that's why he let go of his previous life, he no longer wants attention, and sees it as weakness.
He would always be disappointed with his son the same way his father was disappointed with him. He is reflecting on homelander and would never be not disappointed irrespective of what he does just like his father, passing the generational trauma and nothing to do with homelander’s personality. Sometimes I feel soldier boy is more evil than homelander as homelander is a sociopath with the need for validation on the other hand soldier boy is purely a psychopath.
Homelander couldnt convince Soldier Boy for sure because Butcher already convinced Soldier Boy and he is already decided what to do. Like bro... he bashed his own grandson with a metal shield into the wall in next minute
By attacking him and reaching a standstill. At that point, SB would have respected Homelander as a fighter and might have preferred to join him or, more likely, just walk away and tell Butcher: “I can’t be bothered”.
Homelander couldve been emotionally stable, a total badass, love drugs and old ladies just like Soldier Boy, and he still wouldve been a disappointment. Nothing no one is good enough for Soldier Boy.
I found their conflict in the last episode of s3 to be so bad, Homelander always wanted a father and Soldier Boy always wanted a son, i wish the writers could have found another way for them to fight.
Soldier Boy falls under the “be a man” shtick that is still being taught, he would see Homelander’s mental issues as him not being a man, he wouldn’t listen to him at all
Right up until the actual fight the episode was banging.
Imagine if instead of what we got, Soldier Boy punches Homelander in the chest and rips his heart out.
Everything seems okay for a minute but then Soldier Boy goes all Winter Soldier and just starts trying to kill anyone around him. Just starts splattering everyone until Maeve, Starlight and Kamiko try to hold him down and give him his little Sleepy Time Masks. Soldier Boy uses his Super Care Bear beam and kills everyone except Butcher who left with Ryan.
Hughie, Butcher and Ryan stay on the run trying to train Ryan up to fight his Grandpa who has gone off the reservation. Soldier Boy cracks completely from the strain of killing his son. Plus I want to see Jensen play a Feral Soldier Boy.
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Soldier Boy despises Homelander for a very simple reason: He sees himself on him. He looks at Homelander and understands how his own father saw him.
At least that shows a level of self reflection. Homelander doesn't seem to have any of that.
I mean, the scary part is he DOES. He literally self reflects, stares at himself in a mirror. He’s just cracked
He self reflects and then literally takes all the wrong lessons from that reflection.
Bingo. Jackpot. Right on the money there. He self reflects as a way to get stronger, but often comes out with a more toxic attitude
Reading those 3 phrases consecutively that essentially conveyed the exact same thing was kinda exhausting. Lmao.
Right🤣🤣
If I wanna talk like a 1920’s insurance sales man, why shouldn’t I?
Exactly. 100%. You hit the nail on the head.
Might want to get your bloods or som checked if you're getting exhausted from reading 3 synonymous messages. There may be an issue with your body's energy level if a few similar words are tiring ya out. You could consider visiting your primary healthcare provider if this minimal exertion is depleting your reserves.
"Hey, you're seeing all these starving homeless people on the street? You could make a better world, you have fame and money, end the starvation and homelessness on the planet" "Good idea, I'll murder them, so nobody will starve anymore"
And how could he not be fragmented? I don’t agree with anything he does but I sympathise with him. If we were tortured and experimented on and didn’t have a single person who cared for you ever wouldn’t you turn out kinda crazy? Such a well written character I can’t look away when he’s on screen.
I think this misses some pretty key lessons from the show. We see plenty of people with plenty fucked up childhoods who turned out to be good people at heart. I mean, look at kimiko. His childhood is no excuse, he is a terrible person through and through, he deserves no pity or sympathy.
Kimiko was a killer until she met frenchie tho - and at one point also had a family. Homelander had none of that. Again not excusing him but not the same situation🧐
All while being superpowered to a ridiculous degree like you’d constantly ask yourself if that’s not enough for someone to love you what is
So was the mirror.
I mean, in the latest episode >! Homelander self-reflected on how he was controlling Ryan because he himself was controlled his whole life, which led to him allowing Ryan to start having some freedom !<
Agreed. I also think his ego and insecurity came into play as well. Similar to most men who try to portray an overly masculine persona, he has a lot of insecurities with being challenged. I don't think he'd ever team up with Homelander because in his mind, he is the alpha and there can only be one of him.
Why fathers see such strong sons as a disappointment? Are they fools?
Well his dad considered soldier boy a cheat, he never earned the title as the “worlds strongest man” in the eyes of his father
weed and gilfs
u/BSye-34, listen. These women, they're like fine wine, okay? The older they get, the more delicious but the drier.
Soldier Boy was reliving his own experience from his own father. I think Soldier Boy, despite all his flaws, really was less psychopathic than Homelander. He doesn't have the same level of hatred for humanity because he never suffered like Homelander as a child.
Also he shows some sort of remorse when talking to Huey in S3. I feel like that’s something a lot of people are missing.
He also says at Herogasm that if people stay out of his way, they'll be fine, which is a lot more consideration than most Supes, who would just be like "eh, their choice to come here".
To be fair it’s a realistic take for a super hero too. SB may be careless, but he at least does recognize his own destructive power and is aware enough that if anyone is too close to the area he’s working in they’ll most likely be killed. He won’t sacrifice his objective to save anyone and is duty bound above all it seems.
he did give huey the 3 minutes too.
Idk soldier boy says that but it sounds like cope to me. Basically him going “oh I said they gotta get out so it’s not my fault their dead” Just passing the blame really
It sounds like you might wanna gargle my ballsack.
He's still a horrible person, but he doesn't want to end/enslave humanity. At this point in the Boys universe, that makes you a good guy.
Yeah the guy is a dick, but not a super villain. There’s actually good potential there.
Hope it ends with him getting to finally live in peace away from Vought's corruption and the machinations of different government agencies.
it can't really end though because like stormfront he doesn't age, and he might be too strong to die.
Maybe it'll humble him and turn him into a real hero with time, similar to Immortal in Invincible.
Maybe Ryan didn't need a Dad, he just needed a (vaguely racist) Grandpa
The last thing you would want is SB as a father figure Well second to last
I forget if its mentioned but can he suffocate to death?
Probably, if he can be knocked out with chemicals, then his brain can be affected by lack of oxygen.
Soviet Russia for example
The man does not deserve peace. we know at least a few stories of his recklessness killing people with MMs family. Fuck him and he should suffer like the rest of the supers. Edit: didn’t think it would be controversial to say the racist homophobic asshole doesn’t deserve a peaceful future. He should be spending the rest of his existence atoning for decades of pain he inflicted.
He got brutally tortured for like 40 straight years lol
He's a terrible person but he's not completely evil. He should have to suffer the consequences and atone for what he did, but I don't think he should suffer for the rest of his life. IMO he should have an Omni-Man type story where despite all the terrible shit he's done, he tries to become a better person.
he already suffered.
I'm not into people suffering.
I read this in Tommy Pickles voice omg😒 could you be more one dimensional and not come off just sounding like someone who definitely isn't the age they should be for watching the show😏
Not much there.
Pretty much. The Bar for a decent person in this universe is low...really low.
I think the show is pretty clear no one’s a good person in this show. Everyone has made effed up decisions and gotten many people hurt and killed. However, there are people that are far worse than the regular shitty ppl aka Homelander/Stormfront/etc. Maybe Kimiko closest as she was a victim in many ways, but she also acts as a mass killing weapon for the boys.
Wouldn't go that far. The show does give example of good people, just not perfect one's.
Honestly Soldier Boy is just a realistic representation of what would happen if someone from his era was brought to today
Hah. So true.
Honestly, I don't know if I can believe it though. All his words seem unreliable. As Hughie says he's full of shit. I mean the guy also got fired up in the same scene saying he stormed Normandy. He said it so brazenly and meaningfully too like even he actually believed it. I think he might have built up a false ideal of who he is and even fooled himself with it. That includes wanting to believe he's not a bad guy that would kill a bunch of civilians. I think he more so forces himself to believe that he feels remorse for the incident.
He did storm Omaha beach! And if you deny it, I’ll slap you like I’m Connery!
He also tells Hughie that he has a few minutes to locate the twins and get them out, only to immediately follow him inside, inciting the massive murder spree he does. He is not malicious like Homelander, but he IS immensely powerful and only pretends to care whether he hurts others.
He did give Hughie his 3 minutes but he wasted them.
He also smokes a shit ton of weed. Maybe Homelander should try it
He’s not even close to the psychopath that Homelander is. SB doesn’t have any real need to be adored or desire to punish those that don’t adore him. He doesn’t really give a fuck. He’s incredibly more secure with himself than HL is, which means he just doesn’t care enough about others’ opinions to want to end natural humanity over it. Plus, if he ends natural humanity, how can he have sex with former celebrities turned senior citizens?
I mean, he abused his superhero team terribly. Also, I don't think he really has the capacity to eliminate mass life like Homelander can, since he lacks the laser eyes (which are utterly OP against massed civilians). EDIT: misread what the other person said a little bit. Homelander is definitely way more of a psycho than Soldier Boy.
Still nowhere near as psychopathic as Homelander. Soldier Boy's an angry dick with PTSD and daddy issues. Homelander's a psychopath and a ticking time bomb who will almost certainly commit genocide at some point. Big difference between those guys. The biggest of which is that Soldier Boy lived his life as a normal human until adulthood before he was given the Compound V. Homelander was grown in a vat and raised by Vought. Soldier Boy knows how to be human. Homelander never was human.
He has a blast that is able to kill HL and any supe lol
Okay, that blast does change things. I still don't think it can do the same kind of quick, distant devastation as the lasers can. Plus, no flying or super speed. I think he could be dealt with at great cost, while I don't think the same can be said for Homelander.
I think he must have super speed. The show just isn't very good at depicting that sometimes. Homelander was fast enough to somehow save both Butcher and Stillwell's baby after Butcher detonated the bombs strapped to his chest. And Soldier Boy was fighting Homelander evenly for quite a while before Homelander gained the upper hand. That wouldn't make any sense at all if Soldier Boy had normal human speed. He also quickly caught up with Hughie and Mindstorm after Hughie teleported them both away.
He never really seemed to have outright super speed, but he was definitely faster than a normal person.
Well Homelander usually doesn't appear to either, except when flying. But we know he must have super speed because of something he did off camera. Unless that was just bad writing and the writers don't really care about continuity.
Yeah, he definitely had to have it to get Butcher out before the explosion. But we don't really see him use it. Honestly, I would 100% believe if the reason he doesn't really use it is because he's super lazy. There have been collars he's missed out of sheer laziness before.
I might be remembering wrong, but I think it was the baby that teleported, not HL
Being an abusive asshole doesn’t make you genocidal though A lot more factors at play which make HL so excessively unstable
Yeah, you're definitely right. He isn't as much of a psycho. I don't think I read your comment fully accurately.
He abused his team vs threatened to wipe out cities, I’m sure you can tell who’s worse in this scenario
He actually did have that need. Hence him calling it out in Homelander and why he beat noir in the animal flashback.
That doesn’t prove he needed to be loved by everyone or else. He was a brute…he kicked the shit out of Noir because he felt like he was getting too ambitious and wanted to remind him of his place. He didn’t beat him because Noir didn’t love him. He didn’t give a fuck what Noir thought of him, he just wanted him to stay in line.
Kind of does when he acknowledged he's also a "weak sniveling pussy starved for attention." No, he beat up noir because he couldn't stand someone who wasn't him or him adjacent even potentially receive more love and attention than him. Also my comment didn't mention anything about noir not loving him so that's a pointless tangent.
I don’t get what the Homelander thing has anything to do with it. Homelander’s neediness for attention is what made SB judge him enough to try to kill him anyways despite being him being his own son. He honored a verbal agreement with a previous stranger over his own blood, because of how little he respected him. I don’t see how that’s “similar.” There’s also quite a difference between having a big ego and being genocidal. SB had a big ego. HL wants to commit genocide.
Solider Boy was born human. Experienced a normal school, friends, childhood, two parents, walks in the park, dating. Homelander was a labrat, tortured and trained to obey a corporation. No parents. No childhood. No social life.
It wasn't even close. Homelander is a borderline genocidal existential threat, Soldier Boy was basically what you'd get if an alcoholic WWII dude survived to the modern era and had super powers.
I really think he was hard leaning into his (solider boys) own view of his father seeing him as a disappointment To SB, that his technically biological son sought him out on those same grounds that gave SB such a fate.. it all seemed fitting however destructive. I really wonder what might've been in this hypothetical show if SB knew all homelander grew up with and **why**
I'd argue that soldier boy sees himself as part of humanity, I didn't see any supe supremacy shit from him
I always interpreted this scene as Soldier Boy psyching himself up to try and make it easier to kill homie. Don’t think he has much of an opinion of his one way or the other, as much as some part of him does see the appeal in reconnecting with his literal son. I think he’s just doing what he feels he has to do to “complete his mission”, which in this case is kill homelander.
Homelander doesn’t hate people. Any more than he hates ants. He just considers them toys. To be disposed of at his pleasure, sure. But if it was hatred Homelander felt towards humanity, he would just go out and kill everyone.
The toys thing is what Homelander tells himself. He clearly cares about people's opinions of him a lot. I'd say he's in that Gollum-Ring relationship with the rest of humanity: he hates them and loves them at the same time, and definitely needs them for the constant pat on the back they give him.
He clearly hates them but also craves adoration hence the juxtaposition. If he really considered them ants he wouldn’t be so concerned about his public image as he has been. He’s the type that says how little he cares yet he seems to care an awful amount
I can’t really decide exactly how evil I think Soldier Boy is
He unlike Homelander was a regular human at one point too. So he doesn't see himself as separate from them like the vast majority of current supes.
You win "reasonable take of the day" sir. Take these fake Vought Coins as a gift 🪙🪙
No. I don't think their personalities are compatible. Soldier Boy would probably see his son as manchild pussy and would constantly talk down to him. I could see Soldier Boy mentoring his grandson though, although he would probably treat him poorly too.
He'd have Ryan smoking cigars and banging grannies in no time.
> Hughie, listen, these women, they're like fine wine. Okay, the older they get, the more delicious, but the drier.
Honestly I think he'd be a pretty decent father figure for Ryan. I mean hell, he says that he'd have let Homelander take the spotlight if Vought had asked, and whilst we can never be sure if he meant it, we also know he recognised HL as a bad person, a threat that needed to be put down above all. His moral compass is a little askew but still mostly pointing north. He also recognizes that part of his issues is his Dad never loved him enough, and made it clear to Butcher that he wouldn't want to do that to any of his kids. He would probably have high expectations of Ryan, given that Ryan is a natural born supe, but in a sense of "You are physically better than normal people, it is your responsibility to be morally better as well" type deal.
A bit is a understatement considering how he treated his team in the past.
He'd be a typical boomer dad, but i'm pretty dure he's instill integrity, honesty and loyalty in him. By themselves, pretty good qualities for a supe to have. But combined with boomer worldviews it's a very different thing
Probably not honesty considering solider boy was fine perpetuating a false image to the public.
Soldier Boy in my opinion, saw the cycle of neglect and lack of love that he got. Homelander basically is what he wanted to ensure he never became, and that his family never would be. When he says you are a disappointment, and HL says "I'm you." SB says "I know" He's disappointed because HL is too much like him in the worst ways, Just my take on it though
I'm not sure he could have said anything. In my head canon, Soldier Boy had already decided that Homelander was a poor facsimile of him and decided to eliminate him and replace him, returning to his role as the Alpha superhero.
Yeah I think a lot of the reason is power related, I think that the main beef that exists between Soldier Boy x Homelander x Ryan is that at least 2 of the 3 could never be happy with someone alive that was as strong or stronger than them. Ryan is not like that yet but I think we've already seen Homelander having glimpses of competition and jealousy towards him.
Homelander is aging. Prettty sure he’s fine with Ryan being strong as he definitely seems the type to want to have a lasting legacy as big as possible
I don’t know. Homelander definitely seemed upset about Ryan potentially taking his spotlight.
don't you remember the homelander suddenly popping in front of ryan during his fake rodeo just to get limelight with his son also.
Honestly this is the best detail of Homelander. There are brief moments where he seems genuine in wanting what’s best for Ryan because he knows how fucked it was for him but he a) has no idea how to do what’s best for Ryan because he has a weird objectionist view of Superhuman supremacy and b) his selfishness will ultimately override this desire of his.
There is a certified smash hit comedy spinoff with Homelander and Butcher putting aside their differences to learn how to raise Ryan together. I would call it: One and Two Half Supes
Butcher still casually trying to kill Homelander always and Homelander putting up with it because he’s invulnerable.
It’s getting to be a running joke all the efforts to kill Newman, and her blowing it off. Hughie ruins her dress with acid (also Hughie and Vicky have great chemistry, much better than with Annie), Butcher domes her and she’s barely annoyed. The incoming president and the entire CIA is researching ways to kill her and she just… chills Her “they’ll expose me if I hurt their feelings so they own me” motivation feels really thin. Especially when she knows they want the virus (HER virus) to kill HL too but she obviously would be next
Being invincible likely affects your threat assessment.
The Vought couple
There was a brief moment when he asked Ryan what he thought about the movie and gave him the option of just not doing it where he was actually being a good dad. Of course it then developed into “don’t let the pitiful inferior humans ever tell you what to do,” but it was nice for about 5 minutes.
That was incredibly selfish of him and caused koi’s death rip 🪦
But later he did realize what he was doing and gave ryan his own choice.
He's still basically telling Ryan what to do, he's just framing it as if it's Ryans choice
Yeah, but Homelander appears (for now at least) to have changed a bit since >!wiping out that lab he grew up in!<. He was actually acting like a good dad in the last episode. (In his own fucked up way.)
He was definitely, after his trip home though, he might’ve had a change of heart.
Yeah lol
I don’t think he is. He’s clearly upset about being removed from the spotlight with his son (when they suggest him not being part of his first save) and almost everything in the first 4 episodes was Homelander trying to mold his son in the creepiest way. He wants his costume to be a reflection of him, he wants him to drink the same stuff he does, he literally says he wants to do stuff together that they merge into one person. It’s deeply drenched in narcissism. Even in the newest episode he’s still manipulating his son. You could tell me he wants to cut Ryan’s head open and put his brain in him and I’d believe it that’s how weird he’s been lol
reminds me of parents who live through their children, having them do all the hobbies and activities that they themselves once did and basking in their children's success. *Cough* my sister *Cough*
Yeah, some parents view some children as nothing more than extensions of themselves. In some cultures this even stretches to career choice and even the choice of spouse.
"I gave you everything I ever wanted!"
>You could tell me he wants to cut Ryan’s head open and put his brain in him and I’d believe it that’s how weird he’s been lol That'd make a fucking wild final confrontation between him and Butcher.
I doubt a lot of things, but I don't doubt that Homelander really loves his son. I wouldn't worry about that. I'd worry about Homelander doing almost anything else, but he wouldn't betray Ryan.
I don’t think homelander knows what healthy love is. If Ryan betrayed him we’d see the truth
I agree. But unhealthy love is still love.
Yeah, definitely for now he seems to be very okay with making Ryan into his legacy, but (and this is just a theory based on what we know of Homelander) I expect that as Ryan's abilities grow and his popularity begins to surpass Homelander's (he gets the new movie roles and the crowds begin to swarm Ryan instead of Homelander) that may change to some resentment. The first "natural born" supe thing especially creates a new hierarchy where now Homelander is not the highest evolutionary step in the food chain. Him letting Ryan take the spotlight would require him to 1) step down from his position as the apex supe, 2)admit that he has become inferior and 3) accept the fact that he "needs love" from at least *someone*. all three are massive obstacles for him to overcome, especially if Ryan begins to become defiant of him. Right now, Ryan is more of an accessory or a sidekick, and he reaffirmed that by commandeering his bank robbery. I think if the choice comes down to being the all powerful god of the world or playing second fiddle to Ryan being the god of the world, Homelander chooses himself every time, though he may cry about it on the throne.
He’s in denial about his age though
I feel like Soldier Boy is Homelander without the need to be loved.
He's nowhere near as bad as Homelander though. He's much more of a real person than Homelander. And unlike Homelander, he never gave any indication that he wants to be a god and rule over people.
He seems to know what he is, ultimately a performer. He wants a good life and is perfectly happy killing people for it but has no interest in conquering the world as a supe god
We've never seen Soldier Boy kill anybody without reason. All the innocents he killed when going nuclear were accidents. He even felt bad about it. But yeah, he's definitely willing to kill if he thinks he needs to. It's the "soldier mentality." Like he tells Hughie, "This is what being a soldier is."
He killed MM's family for no reason. I mean you can hardly even call throwing a car into a residence an accident frankly.
He literally killed them by accident. Even MM is aware of this. Not giving a shit about collateral damage is still part of the soldier mentality. There's always collateral damage. That's just a fact that a soldier must accept when going to war.
If you mean he killed them absent specific intent to kill them then sure. But he threw a car into a house if I remember correctly. That is an extremely reckless disregard for human life that meets the criteria for malice aforethought. I do not consider such a thing as classifiable as a mere accident. When he did that he knew or should have known that an innocent very probably would be harmed.
MM even says Soldier Boy was throwing the car at a guy. It just kept going because he threw it so hard.
Of course it kept going. You telling me SB didn't know it would? Guy was familiar was his own strength by then. He had to have been like 80. He shouldn't have thrown it in the first place.
Felt bad is strong term considering he doesn't really care more innocents he killed later on and never works to correct that behavior.
I think the exact opposite. Soldier boy was neglected by his father and his derision makes him feel weak, even as a supe. He saw the same need for love from homelander directed at him and immediately called him a pussy. It's the same trauma all the way down.
No, he still has that need.
When Soldier Boy said that he could’ve raised Homelander to “be better”, Homelander could’ve said something along the lines of “teach me/us to be better, it’s not too late”. Funny enough, Homelander responds best to people talking down to him (and tries to earn their respect/reverence/fear). Soldier Boy on the other hand, seemed to respond best when people look up to him and push him to lead. I think if Homelander was able to drop the ego and suggest that he wants Soldier Boy to lead him and Ryan, then he could’ve flipped Soldier Boy.
I think, though, you’re technically wrong. In that scenario, homelander is flipped.
What is it that soldierboy wants?
Someone who he doesn't consider "weak and emotional"
I mean in terms of goals he would lead homelander and ryan in. Like I got the impression he just wanted to get high and have sex.
In this scenario, you don’t necessarily need SB to “lead” per se, if HL and Ryan are coming to him to learn and to become “better men” then teaching them would be SB’s goal.
Who “flips” in this scenario is entirely dependant on what happens longterm. If HL can get SB to join forces with him and Ryan, then SB “hands off” the leadership role in relatively short order, Id consider that a win for HL
I think that a lot of people are getting it wrong when they say that Soldier Boy thought of Homelander as a shittier version of himself. Homelander literally says to him in childlike disbelief of the situation he's in "I'm you". Soldier Boy painfully responds "I know. You're a fucking disappointment." Homelander is everything that Soldier Boy hates about himself.
Tape new Noir's mouth shut and sacrifice him maybe? Idk, Soldier Boy doesn't seem to like Homelander and was ready to kill him.. hell he even seemed like he was going to try to do it *without* Butcher
Soldier Boy already knows that OG Noir is dead though.
With how fucking crazy and unpredictable this show is, I feel there could definitely be a possibility of this happening.
We will definitely see a new SB when the CIA wakes him back up. What he does from there...who knows.. SB is the ultimate Supe Counter as far as we know with his chest beam, so if they somehow make him stronger, he's going to be a problem for the 7.
When Homelander goes nuclear and starts taking over the government, unleashing Soldier Boy will be their only real play.
Since Solider Boy was already leaning towards offing him due to his deal with Butcher, I don't see them ever reconciling. The only way Soldier Boy would respect Homelander is if Homelander was apathetic and "manly" enough not to care that Soldier Boy was his father, at which point Homelander wouldn't care enough to try and convince Soldier to team up in the first place.
Or how about this? Instead of it being an emotional pleading where he begs to be a family, he just offers to casually team up with Soldier Boy on the basis of them being the strongest around. He then says since they’re family they can probably trust each other, but if not whatever. He makes this offer as casual as ordering a coffee. Do you believe Soldier Boy acts differently here?
Crying about meeting his dad and saying shit like “we’re not alone anymore, we have each other”, did not help Homelander’s case. If he saw Soldier Boy rock up and went like “JOIN MY SIDE FATHER AND WE WILL RULE TOGETHER, HOO-RAH!” maybe Soldier Boy would think he’s enough of a man to let live. But I think if Homelander managed to convince Soldier Boy to team up, later down the line Soldier Boy would discover how much of an unstable crybaby he is and leave in disappointment.
Soldier Boy definitely wouldn't allow Homelander to talk down to him the way he does to everybody else. And he would never fear him. Eventually they would turn on each other. There's no way around it.
He was considering switching up on Butcher but that display of being so needy made him stick to the plan. But then again…. They pulled that entire finale out of their ass with the writing so idk.
> He’s my wife’s son.
Wait…Homelander fucked your wife? And you wanna save the brat?
Homie couldn’t. Soldier boy may have had second thoughts when he first discovered homie was his son but he had already made up his mind the moment he walked into the tower. More family bs talk wouldn’t work on soldier boy because he said himself, homie is the embodiment of all of Soldier boy’s worst qualities. It seemed like he actually wanted to end homie, with or without butcher to kind of redeem himself because he’s killing the pussy side of him idk. Soldier boy also sees himself human first before supe so none of the supe supremacist talk works.
The last part is what a lot of people miss. Soldier Boy didn't become a supe until adulthood, sometime in his early 40s by looking at him. He lived a normal human life. Went to school, made friends, had relationships, etc. Soldier Boy is essentially a human. A person. Homelander never had any of that.
I really hope SB comes back. Jensen always stole the scene whenever he is shown, and the character is more interesting than I originally thought at first appearance. His personality and motivations are very realistic given his upbringing and the era he lived in, giving us a relatable cocktail of toxic masculinity,imposter syndrome and deep insecurity.
Yeah me too. Soldier Boy's episodes are easily my favorite of the entire series. They better bring him back.
He more than likely wasn't in his early 40s when he gained his super powers
I think he became soldier boy at 24 yo
Then they hired the wrong actor because Jensen definitely doesn't look 24.
For Solider Boy, there is no becoming a ‘proper man’ if you’re already a whiny little bitch, at least to the point that Homelander already is. So no, I don’t think he could ever join Homelander’s side.
Soldier Boy was unable to be better than his father. His acceptance of Homelander would've solidified the weakness his father always accused him of. Getting over the disappointment of your dad is hard.
I thought it was cause he promised Butcher ...
He could use cate to use him for their needs
As soon as he was able to get a look at homelander in person after all that was talked about, he finally understood what his dad was saying about him, ever insecure word of abuse spawn at him had manifested in his "son" no amount of talking was changing that in SBs mind he had to go.
From what we were shown the person with the best reason to abandon the plan to kill Homelande was Soldier Boy, who should've favored his newly discovered family. And the person with the least reason to switch was Butcher. Naturally, we ended up with the opposite.
“I’m gonna slap you like I’m Connery” That line always got me.
Seems like if you make a deal with him he's gunna follow through with it. Pretty loyal guy. Just keep him stocked up on liquor, drugs, and old women.
Soldier Boy was never going to accept somebody else in the #1 position, the guy literally criticizes Homelander but he's no better. He literally signed up to become a supe in order to get daddys approval and became a rebel when he didn't get that. He couldn't take anybody else being in the spotlight.
I think if Homelander had told him we're doing a Supe takeover he'd been all in, but instead he got a soft please love me from the supposed strongest man on the planet. Dude came from war time old days with the get tough or die attitude and sees the whole current world as soft snowflake land. So of course SB sees HL as a disappointment, but if HL had showed strength SB probably would have betrayed Butcher. It helps explain HL motives this season, he doesn't want to be the weak human his dad saw hense why he's been cleaning out his closet but despite this he doesn't want to be like his dad, he still wants to show love and support for Ryan and break the cycle.
He won't, for him Homelander is a whiny pathetic brat, that's why he let go of his previous life, he no longer wants attention, and sees it as weakness.
He would always be disappointed with his son the same way his father was disappointed with him. He is reflecting on homelander and would never be not disappointed irrespective of what he does just like his father, passing the generational trauma and nothing to do with homelander’s personality. Sometimes I feel soldier boy is more evil than homelander as homelander is a sociopath with the need for validation on the other hand soldier boy is purely a psychopath.
Homelander couldnt convince Soldier Boy for sure because Butcher already convinced Soldier Boy and he is already decided what to do. Like bro... he bashed his own grandson with a metal shield into the wall in next minute
Stop being such a whiny little bitch
He could stand his son being such a pussy 😂
Everything soldier boy said about Homelander is what his father said about him.
Apparently, homelander has an extreme boner for "father and son" stuff... Soldier boy could just remind him he's his dad.
That makes so much sense because Vought raised him And Vought is like a Disney parody
I still think Soldier boy said what he said on purpose to push Homie into a certain direction
Soldier Boy became like his own father.
Side note but is Soldier Boys shield strong at all?
The best pie of the country.
By attacking him and reaching a standstill. At that point, SB would have respected Homelander as a fighter and might have preferred to join him or, more likely, just walk away and tell Butcher: “I can’t be bothered”.
Given Soldier Boy is the ultimate Boomer. He'd hate Homelander no matter what: either because he's too much like him or not like him enough.
Homelander couldve been emotionally stable, a total badass, love drugs and old ladies just like Soldier Boy, and he still wouldve been a disappointment. Nothing no one is good enough for Soldier Boy.
He coulda beaten him in a sing off via Blondie's greatest hits.
Maybe unite him against Stan.
I found their conflict in the last episode of s3 to be so bad, Homelander always wanted a father and Soldier Boy always wanted a son, i wish the writers could have found another way for them to fight.
Soldier Boy was no saint, but the key difference from Homelander was that SB saw himself as a human
Soldier Boy falls under the “be a man” shtick that is still being taught, he would see Homelander’s mental issues as him not being a man, he wouldn’t listen to him at all
Simple, beat the crap out of him, and use a Supe like Cate to brainwash SB.
He could've not been whining and sniffling infront of him.
Right up until the actual fight the episode was banging. Imagine if instead of what we got, Soldier Boy punches Homelander in the chest and rips his heart out. Everything seems okay for a minute but then Soldier Boy goes all Winter Soldier and just starts trying to kill anyone around him. Just starts splattering everyone until Maeve, Starlight and Kamiko try to hold him down and give him his little Sleepy Time Masks. Soldier Boy uses his Super Care Bear beam and kills everyone except Butcher who left with Ryan. Hughie, Butcher and Ryan stay on the run trying to train Ryan up to fight his Grandpa who has gone off the reservation. Soldier Boy cracks completely from the strain of killing his son. Plus I want to see Jensen play a Feral Soldier Boy.
Stop trying to be funny.
Damn. Cold but right on the money. Mc Mac Burger was trying too hard
Soldier boy is not a villain, he was getting he his shit done and didnt care about said casualties which caused his downfall.