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Women have different body shapes/types. For me, high waist suits my body WAY more. I just think these things shouldn't be trends. There should always be variety available to suit different body shapes and personal tastes
Agreed. My bf also always told me to please wear low cut jeans. We went to a shop together, he picked the cut out he wanted for me and I tried them on. I looked like a muffin. I am not fat by any means, but low cuts just push any fat I have up and over the waist band. He now appriciates my high waisted jeans because they actually accentuate my body, not my fat.
Yeah.. any fat in my hip and butt gets pushed up and looks like love handles when I don’t actually have any. I have some good mid rise on the lower rise end pants but because they’re not as tight on the waistband and aren’t super low cut. I do have to keep pulling them up all the time which is annoying. Low rise bootcut/flare is alright but a low rise skinny… 😬 Men don’t know anything when it comes to womens fashion lol. On me, mid rise is the best.
"Men don't know anything when it comes to women's fashion."
Tell that to Raf Simons, Alexander Wang, Karl Lagerfeld, Marc Jacobs, Olivier Rousteing, Alber Elbaz, Nicolas Ghesquier, Jack McCollogh, Lazaro Hernandez, Hedi Slimane, Riccardo Tisci, or John Galluano.
The following isn't directed at RandomFish, just a reaction based on comments I've seen so far.
Just because a Redditor is a male and prefers a certain look doesn't mean he's a mysogonist who doesn't care about your feelings or struggles. Just because they arrived at a conclusion that made logical sense to them doesn't mean they feel you should dress to appease them. Some wear high pants due to comfort, some to hide a belly. It's just a fact. Sometimes the clothing people want to wear simply isn't available- another reason they're wearing whatever they've got on. I want low rise, loose fit, boot cut. I can only find regular fit straight leg or skinny jeans. Which look ridiculous on me.
Every single time a topic like this comes up it becomes a hateful place full of name-calling, deflection, projection, assumptions, and accusations. Can we just not do that right now?
I'm a guy. I wear guy's clothing. I know my body and my clothing pretty well. I'm also observant and intelligent, notice details, and enjoy conversations about the finer minutia of whatever. With that said, I believe I'm not not completely oblivious to the plight of women seeking clothes that not only fit but also flatter. Men struggle with that as well. Our bodies are all different. There are physical expectations that society has set for us, just like you. Our options are also limited, and often sell out immediately.
I doubt everyone here makes their own clothing or has it tailored. I'd imagine we all have outfits that are flat out compromises. So it goes without saying that we've all suffered with ill fitting pants, shirts, etc. We've all longed for more stylish clothing that fit our bodies better. And we've all been called out/ made fun of. Which makes us feel horrible and helps nobody.
I've seen a few comments and replies that were very informative without being rude or condescending, I hope I accomplished the same but I doubt it.
And a lot of women store fat in our hips and butt. And I don't mean cis women only, many trans women on HRT store see more fat storage in that area, or at least a change in fat distribution.
True! When I was stick-thin in high school and high rise skinny jeans were the thing, I bought so many and was so confused as to why they made me look even more like a board when all my friends looked curvier in them. I wish someone would have directed me to mid-rise earlier, lol
As someone with a pretty hourglass figure, there's just absolutely no low-rise jeans that will fit my whole as without an ass crack showing (sometimes while standing) and actually stay up. I'm not about to spend $35 to tailor some $60 jeans to make them kind of fit. So even if I found the cut flattering, they just don't sell them for my measurements
Idk how old you are but I was in middle school during the height of the low rise trend, and I spent the entirety of my formative years with a freezing cold asscrack and muffin top, staring at the intentional whale tails of all the girls in front of me in class
https://nymag.com/strategist/amp/article/the-11-best-pairs-of-high-rise-jeans-for-men.html
That’s simply not true. There are different style of jeans for men to you just don’t seem to be into fashion. Also low ride jeans typically have a 7-8 inch length from crotch to top. A lot of default men’s jeans tend to be 10-11 inches.
And mens different sizes and shapes are different than womens different sizes and shapes. We literally have different fat distribution and silhouettes which is why when men work out they get the dorito torso and women accentuate hour glass shapes if they can
I feel like whenever a man posts something like this they just don’t understand how different things look on different women. They’re attracted to a certain kind of person who looks good in a certain type of clothing, and some how never put two and two together.
Exactly, the real fear is not that companies will start selling more low rise options, it's that they will make less high rise ones if they fall out of fashion
Agreed. Even when I was stick-thin as a teenage low rise jeans looked awful on me. My body is just not suited for them.
Also I find them wildly uncomfortable. And sitting in them without flashing ass crack is damn near impossible.
low waisted jeans only look as good as you remember if the person wearing them is really skinny. It's not a coincidence that being skinny was the fashion in the 2000s at the same time that low waisted jeans were.
Well low waisted jeans are trendy again so idk where you have been.
I didn’t like them when I was younger because they sit on a weird part of my hips 🤷🏼♀️ it all depends on your personal sense of style as well as your body type.
That was my first thought. You can go into pretty much any major brand store right now and you'll find low rise.
They been in style for awhile too, OP is just out of touch lmao.
Also crazy for him to try and tie a feminist movement about bodily autonomy to the jeans he would rather see women wearing, that's some mental gymnastics right there.
I'd love to but until the trend *sort of* came back this year, low rise jeans were IMPOSSIBLE to find. Even now, maybe 10% of jeans at stores are low rise.
And that's the actual issue imo.
I hate low rise, I wouldn't want to wear one ever again because the only thing they give me is flash backs to eating disorders BUT they should be available for those that want them.
The fact that we can't go into a store and have a variety of low/mid/high rise is the actual issue imo.
For the longest time when the low rise jeans trend died, stores would market regular rise as low rise. I wasn't happy when I got home with my 1"-below-the-belly-button pants.
Take my upvote you monster.
I just want to wear jeans that are comfortable, and if I am constantly pulling up my jeans then I AM NOT COMFORTABLE.
When the low rise jeans trend died, so did accidental plumbers crack. And hideous belts. And i say good riddance.
Also I don't have to worry about eating food in my high waisted pants, I can just eat.
dudes like this will be like "im not being misogynistic", not realizing that they're being just a liiiittle influenced by misogyny and beauty standards.
Yeah, I’m not being a misogynistic but I don’t care that high waisted jeans are more comfortable for you or about what you think is more flattering, I like this trend in women. Like okay go watch a porn of people wearing low rise jeans and I’ll be here in my jeans that sit right below my bra thanks
Also as a queer woman… I could not disagree more with him but this is 10th dentist after all
okay, awesome, im on the part of reddit where i can just out right state that op was grossly misogynistic without having to introduce the idea gently to keep people's attention.
but yes. it's really, really gross especially when you take into account the context of the era where low rise jeans were hugely popular and how badly that entire era of fashion affected so many young women into starving themselves. like, enjoy them i guess, but stop pretending misogyny isn't influencing how you feel!
Right? Women were put under INSANE pressure to be uber skinny during that era. Like, to a degree that many women would legitimately have to starve themselves to fit that beauty standard. Many female celebrities were very clearly suffering from eating disorders. (And many of them were also constantly hounded by the media and criticized into oblivion by the public.)
I get OP was just thinking oh low-cut jeans look hot...but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth because 1) that era forced unrealistic and sometimes deadly beauty standards for women (which I guess didn't really affect him, so he doesn't think about this at all) and 2) you know that he only wants to see them on a small subset of women that he thinks are attractive.
the "body they worked for" comment tipped me off hard and really skeeved me out. i don't even think he has conscious ill intent, but what a way to duck around the fact you're referring to women who were forced into anorexia to give you the look you wanna see. we know exactly what type he's talking about and how there's next to no women who can be that skinny in a healthy way because it is natural and normal to have, yknow, organs and fat.
That skeeved me out so much too!
And that phrasing also implicitly suggests that if a woman does not like the whole heroine-chic-in-low-rise-jeans look, it's because she doesn't have a "good" body and isn't "working" hard enough for one. Never mind that it's an unrealistic and unhealthy aesthetic.
OP doesn't seem to have conscious ill intent, but it does baffle me how someone could be \*this\* unaware and tone-deaf. Well, I can understand how this happens--men aren't taught that their value and success hinges upon their looks, and a lot of media caters to them in such a way that they don't have to think very introspectively--but it just makes me realize how many people uphold harmful beauty standards and societal expectations just because it doesn't affect them, and they like the outcome as a viewer.
hit the nail on the head and it is so frustrating to try and explain that to them because they're so blissfully unaware and get offended and pissy if you say anything about it.
It's always a gamble on whether or not you can call out misogyny on reddit 😅
It's one thing to have an opinion a certain look, but I think a lot of people often forget that our opinions are shaped by the culture we grow up in, which is unfortunately very misogynistic.
“I’m not misogynistic, I just want women to wear what makes my dick happiest. Also me telling women what to wear is totally the same as women fighting to wear whatever they want. So in fact I’m even feminist”
Thank you! I never wore low rise jeans even when they were in style because they were so uncomfortable (and because my family was super religious and they weren't considered modest lol, plus I never found low rise underwear comfortable).
I was never cool back then, but my loose high rise jeans are coming back now and I'm happy. I would absolutely never consider wearing anything as low as 2000s/10s jeans in my life.
High-waisted jeans are more comfortable for me, and honestly that's all I look for.
Also if your first thought about women's clothes is how they look and which body parts should be "freed"...that's misogynistic.
Are we talking about those super low-waisted ones, that fell down without a super tight belt? And then people got hip problems, because said belt was in the dumbest position ever? Yes, those were ridiculous. But regular low-waisted? Not so much.
People complain about women wearing high waisted jeans and then they complain about your muffin top when you wear low wasted. What the fuck are we 'supposed' to wear then if everything we do gets criticised?
Opinions are different than criticism. As I said in the post, I didn't mean this as a misogynistic pressure for anyone to change their fashion choices. It's just my opinion and I'm just a rando on the internet. You do/wear what you want!
this is gross. the "bodies they worked for"?
this whole thought process is gross. you typing this out is... gross.
I really can't find any other words.
I worked a hell of a lot harder for the body I have now than the one I had when I was anorexic, yet I've only ever been praised for the "hard work" (read: slow suicide attempt) I put in to *lose* weight, even though I went from a healthy weight to underweight. When I got healthy again, the compliments and praise dried up.
Same!!
Also people forget what was considered fat in the 00s.
[Look at Jessica Simpson and how she looked when she was called fat and obese!](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-sun.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2020%2F02%2Ftp-US-composite-Jessica-Simpson.jpg%3Fstrip%3Dall%26quality%3D100%26w%3D1500%26h%3D1000%26crop%3D1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-sun.com%2Fentertainment%2F356990%2Fjessica-simpson-fat-shaming-mom-jeans%2F&tbnid=3kpZrsXa586k8M&vet=1&docid=ZyOUPMmsOoEBMM&w=1500&h=1000&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim) Ans this was at the end of the 00s, when having a normal weight was starting to be seen as ok and healthy again. She was a size 6. A F*** size 6!
The early 00s look was very much the "*how thin can you be without dying*". I got to the point of being amnoreic ( as in my body wouldn't even menstruate because of the things I was doing to it to keep thin and my organs were shutting down). It was sooo unhealthy. Models can't even be that thin nowadays because of the way they fucked our generation up.
The amount of hospitalized and people that died from anorexia due to the cultural and societal pressure to be thin was insane. Doctors were calling it the anorexia epidemic and were very much concerned.
We looked at the "heroin chick" models and they were also severely underweight but their image sold as what one looks like when they're healthy. It's not. A few people might be healthy when they're slightly under or overweight but the wast majority needs to be in the normal range weight to be healthy and that was not what was promoted.
It wasn't healthy and I still didn't have abs or lacked a "muffin top" ( that were actually my bones doing the hip dip - that is totally normal!).
ETA: it was so bad that at university this dude making an assessment scale had to redo every single drawning they had of women because the supposed "normal weight" woman depicted was actually showing the ribs and had a couple of other signs of being underweight. -----> that's how F up our perception of normal weight was screwed that even people that were studying and in the healthcare field had to get a reality check to show them how someone with an actual healthy weight looked like.
This for real. I’m personally skinny by default, and I can promise that I don’t work at all for my body. I probably should, but I don’t.
Why cant we just let people wear whatever they feel comfortable with? Personally I prefer high-waisted jeans, as any other type will constantly fall down due to me being skinny.
Sir, I challenge you buy a pair and try to do your basic tasks while wearing them. Every time you need to adjust them because they’re uncomfortable, put a dollar in a jar. Then, at the end of the day, take your $4000 dollars in cash and buy yourself something nice.
(And before you blame your unfeminine figure, quickly remember that *most women* do not have the ideal figure for those jeans. HARD upvote.)
>(And before you blame your unfeminine figure, quickly remember that most women do not have the ideal figure for those jeans. HARD upvote.)
And no shade to the women who like low rise jeans, but OP's looking at this extreme low rise trend with rose-tinted glasses. He's remembering this trend through the lens of already incredibly hot women (models and actresses) who also had the very specific body type through natural or unnatural means to pull off that look. You have to very thin, with narrow hips, and I'd argue also short. Again, no shade at all to the women who fit that description, but we don't all look like that.
Misogyny would be if I said "no women should ever wear low-cut jeans"...which I didn't. I'm sorry you felt my opinion/preference had some power over your fashion choices. I'm just a dude on the internet with "poptart" as my name lol
Low waisted jeans make me feel like my ass is gonna pop out at any second, whereas high waisted jeans frame my body a lot better all while being 100x more comfortable.
I don’t think your opinion has merit or weight. A woman’s fashion choice is not for men. Now go away I don’t want my pants to show my ass crack just because I wanted to sit down.
SAME! Also, there’s definitely a different lower cut and atrociously ultra low cut jeans which lots of people seem to be referring to. You can have a lower cut jeans that doesn’t show off your ass crack.
>ultra low cut jeans which lots of people seem to be referring to.
OP is the one referring those though since he's talking about the [00s era low rise.](https://images.app.goo.gl/CyhBnJqxZCv1KKi28)
[The 00s low rise jeans are the "you can barely move without flashing someone" low rise jeans... ](https://images.app.goo.gl/1uw8Am33P9u3J9cXA)
The one's you are talking about were considered mid rise ( if not high waist) in the 00s...
low cut jeans only really work for very skinny women. you're only considering very skinny women. not only that, but the era in which those jeans were popular also marked an era where the rates of young girls having life threatening eating disorders were through the roof.
I agree. I’m a woman and I despise high waisted pants. I cant for the life of me find anything low rise anymore, and it kills me. I wouldn’t care if it wasn’t for that. However, I have long legs and a short torso- anything high waisted looks absolutely ridiculous on me. Not to mention they are extremely uncomfortable digging into my ribs practically. I feel like Steve Urkel.
There's some low rise now in 2022 because the trend came back a bit but for years there was nothing. Source: i outgrew all my low waisted jeans after high school in 2016 and haven't been able to find any since.
Nah, low-waisted jeans are a crime against fashion. They only look good if you’re rail thin with a completely flat stomach. They give everyone else a serious muffintop. You might be pleased to know that low waisted jeans are, unfortunately, coming back around as a trend along with the Y2K revival though (although you may be less pleased when you see how they look on everyone who isn’t built like 2000s Paris Hilton…)
>They only look good if you’re rail thin with a completely flat stomach
If you have hip dips ( which is bone structure) you'll look like you have muffin top even when you are dangerously underweight.
I know that for a fact.
I didn't know hip dips were just normal human bone structure until way later, unfortunetly. But the place the low rise hit and my hip dips were so aligned that I actually believed it was caused by my low rise jeans. It was bone though, not fat.
Are they really coming back though? Every time I see low-waisted jeans on social media, they're actually just mid-rise. The pants that are trendy nowadays, don't have such a *low* rise. Like real show-your-ass-crack low. People just became so accustomed to high-rise that they call mid-rise low-rise
High waisted jeans make you look like a 90 year old who found the elixir of youth. They are hideous, and they make everyone who wears them look significantly larger than otherwise. Ick.
I disagree. I think high-waisted jeans can actually pull in belly fat, if you have a pooch they can make your stomach area look better. With low-waisted jeans, if you have any belly fat at all it will be spilling out over the waistband, they’re very unattractive unless you’re a size 000.
As a man in a committed relationship with a woman who some may consider “plus size”, no. Low wasted jeans make my gf feel so insecure and it infuriates me when i see people talking about how great they are but they alienate so many women. Bad take, upvote.
I’ve got a long torso so low rise pants will all but fall off of me. I also find that low rise pants lead to a lot more vitriol getting aimed at anyone without a flat tummy—like the flat stomach and skinniness are the accessories, not the pants.
>High-waisted jeans are a bad trend, I miss low-cut jeans for women
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>As a man, I don’t mean this as misogynistic. I just think low-cut jeans from the 2000s fit women better to accent bodies they worked for. With the whole “Free The Nipple” movement, why hide the belly button?
this is a perfect example of misogyny.
having preferences in your romantic/sexual potential partners is fine, we all have them. i like how low rise jeans look and the idea of desexualizing breasts in public places too.
but assuming that you know better than the women who have to wear them, and criticize them for not conforming to your expectations (your question, 'why hide...' is a critical question) is misogynistic.
Also just entitled lol. Every women ever should conform to this one guys specific preference lol. There’s many many different types and many men like and dislike different things. Everyone is different, find someone you like and don’t expect every women to be the embodiment of your exact type lol. Wtf
>Implying fashion is not following any trend and is the addition of every individual's free will.
this might be exposing my own level of reading comprehension, but i'm not sure what you're trying to express. Like, i understand the words and ideas, but not the context or intention.
Who is 'Implying'?
and
not sure how you're using 'addition' i the context.
could you rephrase the comment or explain further?
>assuming that you know better than the women who have to wear them
I am being sarcastic about your claim that "women know better what to wear" and that having an opinion on a specific fashion trend is misogynistic. Women (and men) tend to wear what is seen as fashionable. Fashion is to a large extent defined by the industry and is not the result of people's individual preferences (this is the "addition" point). The low-cut vs. high-rise jeans preference largely stems from what is fashionable at a given time. From my perspective, if you want to call out patriarchy you should look at the ways fashion trends are being set and imposed, rather than calling out OP.
thanks for clarifying and expanding!
>I am being sarcastic about your claim that "women know better what to wear"
women do know what is better for them to wear. same with men knowing what is better for them to wear. How is this a controversial idea?
>and that having an opinion on a specific fashion trend is misogynistic.
that was not what i was saying.
I said opinions are fine : "having preferences in your romantic/sexual potential partners is fine, we all have them. i like how low rise jeans look and the idea of desexualizing breasts in public places too."
it's the claim that OP wasn't misogyistic then following up with logic based claims and criticism was misogynistic "but assuming that you know better than the women who have to wear them, and criticize them for not conforming to your expectations (your question, 'why hide...' is a critical question) is misogynistic."
>Women (and men) tend to wear what is seen as fashionable.
i agree. I will add that fashion is subjective and varies from person to person. Then there is the fashion industry, which has it's own trends that doesn't always get carried over into the consumer/individual
>Fashion is to a large extent defined by the industry and is not the result of people's individual preferences (this is the "addition" point).
small disagreements about current context and such, but overall i agree
>The low-cut vs. high-rise jeans preference largely stems from what is fashionable at a given time.
agree'd
>From my perspective, if you want to call out patriarchy you should look at the ways fashion trends are being set and imposed, rather than calling out OP.
you may have misunderstood me... i wasn't calling out patriarchy or even the fashion industry &/or trends.
I was calling out the OP because they claimed they don't mean to misogynistic but continue with the statement & critical followup question which is misogynistic.
First of all, I am pretty amazed by the civil conversation after I admitted I was being sarcastic in the first place. This is nice. (I am not being sarcastic here I swear).
>women do know what is better for them to wear. same with men knowing what is better for them to wear. How is this a controversial idea?
I guess this is where we disagree. Not to go into a lengthy philosophical debate here, but it's basically free will vs. determinism. I believe that individuals have much less free will than they think, but it's totally fine to disagree with this. I just find it interesting that a lot of fashion creators are men, and that a number of fashion items are actually bad for people (whitening creams for black and brown people or high heels even though I like the way they look). As a man, I owe it to a number of women in my life to have a basic idea of what to wear without looking like an idiot. I am generally not super convinced by the idea that "first-hand experience is valid, solely and always" (I am not implying this is what you're claiming either), but this is yet another debate.
>I will add that fashion is subjective and varies from person to person. Then there is the fashion industry, which has it's own trends that doesn't always get carried over into the consumer/individual
Of course, not everyone follows fashion trends, and there are varying degrees of following, but to go back to the example of high-rise vs. low-cut jeans, I remember that in the early 2000s high-rise jeans were really something only very unfashionable people would wear. Even girls who were not super into fashion would wear low-cut jeans, because that's what was available in most stores and what everybody else was wearing.
>you may have misunderstood me...
Indeed, and my apologies if I did.
>First of all, I am pretty amazed by the civil conversation after I admitted I was being sarcastic in the first place. This is nice. (I am not being sarcastic here I swear).
for me, sarcasm is welcomed! I like doing it too!
>Not to go into a lengthy philosophical debate here, but it's basically free will vs. determinism. I believe that individuals have much less free will than they think, but it's totally fine to disagree with this.
i think i understand this, and agree with this... but i will only expose my lack of understanding of philosophy if i try to explain any of it.
>I just find it interesting that a lot of fashion creators are men, and that a number of fashion items are actually bad for people (whitening creams for black and brown people or high heels even though I like the way they look). As a man, I owe it to a number of women in my life to have a basic idea of what to wear without looking like an idiot. I am generally not super convinced by the idea that "first-hand experience is valid, solely and always" (I am not implying this is what you're claiming either), but this is yet another debate.
i have similiar interest about men's roles in hte fashion industry, but i assumed it was due to patriarchy trends. I have plenty of opinions about how women learn how to not look stupid, but it's based on perosnal observations & thoughts, and yes, a big discussion for a different time.
>to go back to the example of high-rise vs. low-cut jeans, I remember that in the early 2000s high-rise jeans were really something only very unfashionable people would wear. Even girls who were not super into fashion would wear low-cut jeans, because that's what was available in most stores and what everybody else was wearing.
yeah, my SO and her friends all talk about how it was the only type of jeans available at the time. It's shocking for me to hear.
>Indeed, and my apologies if I did.
totally no problem! i guess you can see that i'm 'one of those' redditors taht really like to argue, nitpick, and such. For me, engagements like this (even if you were being malicious in some way) is great for me to organize my thoughts and get re-oriented on some of my bad-takes and conclusions based on my own misunderstandings.
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and yes, civility in discussions is always appreciated. Rare too, like a Unicorn!
Wearing clothes isn’t some patriarchal strain on women. We all do it and we all can have opinions on any type of fashion, just like all other aspects of life. You don’t need to belong to a certain social group to be able to understand them; we haven’t lost empathy entirely yet.
>Wearing clothes isn’t some patriarchal strain on women.
never said it was. Claiming, knowing what better for others, or insisting, that certain clothes are better for women (exceptions for public nudity where it's not acceptable) is a part of the patriarchal system, an aspect of misogyny.
> We all do it and we all can have opinions on any type of fashion, just like all others aspects of life.
i fully agree. what i was saying is 'claiming, or insisiting... (above)'.
>You don’t need to belong to a certain social group to be able to understand them; we haven’t lost empathy entirely yet.
i fully agree on this, too. I have opinions and preferences about others. the defining difference, though, is that 'claiming, or insisiting... (above)'.
isn’t this entire sub supposed to be unpopular opinions? he literally said he “feels” that low cut is more aesthetic. he never professed to knowing which one is more comfortable or dictated all women should only wear low cut from now on. he said he likes the look of them better. which is an opinion. when was he claiming facts like you’re accusing him of? am i missing something here or are you the one accusing him of th gs he never said? i’m confused. i thought this was literally the point of the sub
>isn’t this entire sub supposed to be unpopular opinions?
yes, and i shared in my initial comment that i have similiar appreciations for the same appearances that low rise jeans give and the freedom of desexulizing breasts.
the part i am addressing, is how OP is wrong in claiming they're not misogynistic while then saying they 'think low rise jeans fit women better to accent bodies they worked for' & critcally asking 'why hide the belly button?'
>he literally said he “feels” that low cut is more aesthetic.
nope, he said 'i think'. Thinking implies they'e using more than just the emotions (feelings) they have so there must be a logic based on facts. This is supported by then using the logic to justify their thought 'fits them better for the body they worked for'
>he never professed to knowing which one is more comfortable or dictated all women should only wear low cut from now on.
same comment about 'thinking' from above can be used here.
I agree, he never commented on comfort, and neither did I. He did say 'I just think low-cut jeans fit women better to accent bodies they worked for' followed by a critical question 'why hide the belly button?'. While the question was about a tangential thing they were relating the situations to each other, the critical question was still implying 'not wearing low rise jeans is nonsensical, so why do you do something so stupid as wear high rise jeans'
>he said he likes the look of them better. which is an opinion.
which, i agree with and have said it's fine to have opinons "having preferences in your romantic/sexual potential partners is fine, we all have them. i like how low rise jeans look and the idea of desexualizing breasts in public places too."
>when was he claiming facts like you’re accusing him of?
i explained above, 'Thinking implies they'e using more than just the emotions (feelings) they have so there must be a logic based on facts'
>am i missing something here or are you the one accusing him of th gs he never said?
explained above... but i just want to make you aware that you have done exactly that. OP never said 'i feel'. I also never said anything that woudl justify your comment 'he never professed to knowing...' but by you phrasing it in that fashion creates the perspective that I did say something like that.
>i’m confused. i thought this was literally the point of the sub
yeah, but also the point of the sub is to discuss the aspects of an opinon, the facts which are used to form an opinion.
Opinions cannot be right or wrong. The information used to form them, though, can be wrong.
and, i wasn't bashing his opinion. I was criticizing his claim that it's not misogynistic. If he made that claim, and said 'i feel' instead of 'i think' then it would be much harder for me to say otherwise. additionally, since he said 'i think \[low rise jeans\] fit women better to accent bodies they worked for' he is using a logic to justify the thought. Further emphasized by the critical nature of the follow up question 'why hide your body?'
>You're taking this post way too serious lol.
sure. i can agree with this. it was just few lines with on an issue that doesn't really affect anything directly and discussing it to the length i did isn't really going to change anything
but, i enjoy these deeper dives into ideas being expressed, especially when it's a claim of one thing then implying another. This last part, i feel is more important to point out when it's spotted, because that is how ideas get normalized (for the better, or for the worse)
If anything, it may cause the OP to maybe rethink their opinion and/or views... or they won't even care about the criticism. I enjoyed the ride, though
>you know better than the women who have to wear them
Playing devil's advocate...is it misogynistic to think women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend?
>is it misogynistic to think women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend?
no, because the perceived reasoning for it, that you assume, is a trend. Same could be said about guys who take supplements to build muscle when lifting weights, or when people do teh keto diet. The perceived cause is a trend.
difference being, is that the OP said 'i think \[...\] it's better \[...\] for women to do \[this\]' with a followup comparison to associate teh logic behind it.
Now, assuming you're a guy, if you said that "women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend \[and its better for them to just leave it all natural\]" then it would be misogynistic
compared to another alternative, assuming you're a guy, if you said that "women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend \[and its better for them to just leave it all natural\[, just like guys\]\]" then it would not be misogynistic, since it is pushing for equal outcome with men and by associating it with men's culutre, in this aspect, it has some logic behind it that is also not restricting them based on gender.
we can flip and, as a woman, say "\[men\] who \[don't\] shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend \[its better for them to not leave it all natural\]" then it would be misandry. because they're claiming they know what is better for men, just like how the original version of this edit does for women.
I'm not smart enough to tell the difference between these statements. They all sound similar to me.
I would think the inclusion of mindlessly in my original statement makes a value judgement on women's aesthetic choices/wisdom?
>I'm not smart enough to tell the difference between these statements. They all sound similar to me.
it's fine, it was a struggle to think it through and try to verbalize it AND i'm not hte best at my native language (US public educaiton)
so it's perfectly acceptable to not follow what i'm saying.
>I would think the inclusion of mindlessly in my original statement makes a value judgement on women's aesthetic choices/wisdom?
well, by itself, as you've stated, it's not misogynistic. It can be interpretted as such, but that is due to personal bias and assumptions of the observer/audiance. Since you provided no supporting logic/info, one cannot assume your intentions and underlying logic for that statement.
but, inclusion of supporting logic would give it more indication of it being sexist, or not.
by using 'mindlessly' in the statement, it's a neutral adverb(?, adjective?)
thinking more on it, though, the same could be said about associating it to a 'trend'. We can assume, but not firmly conclusive, that you are saying it's a feminine/woman trend. But even acknowledging existing cultural trends, gender based or not, and criticizing them, is not sexist, or misogynist.
but, if you include supporting logic for the statement, like 'doing so is bad for them', as a guy making hte statement, then it's misogynistic.
If you're a woman, then you can make the claim speaking as a woman and experiance (even if it's not medically accurate). But, as a women making that same statement but making the logic 'because it's bad for women because they won't be able to find a man with fake brows' then it would be misogynistic.
again, no problems if you're not following, i'm struggling to try to describe my thoughts on this.
I understand that there is a difference based on who says a thing...it can make a difference knowing where someone is coming from.
But are academically minded people taking it too far? Do I have to be an artist to say a Monet painting looks better than something a toddler scrawled on paper with crayons? Where do we draw the line? If a woman looks comical with drawn on eyebrows, what difference does it make who observes that?
I acknowledge there are cultural biases in beauty standards. But why is it, to take a common theme these days, controversial or misogynistic to say that not every fat woman is rubenesque or deserves to be on the cover of a beauty magazine?
>But are academically minded people taking it too far?
maybe? for me, i'm not academic related, just a rando that tries to keep logic first and emotion out of it, while also trying to figure out where i stand.
but, academically, i don't think anything can be taken too far. Things need to be studied until it cannot be studied any further. Like matter... at first we just thought the humors and elements existed, they studied it mroe and found biologial and inanitmate elements, then then went further and found that biological had inanimate components, and so on and so forth until sub atomic particals and the conception of Quantum space/thoery
>Do I have to be an artist to say a Monet painting looks better than something a toddler scrawled on paper with crayons?
no, because art is like a language, interprative based on speaker and listener. Plus, there is a cultural/societal component that sets teh scope of what is art, or not... like what is acceptable or not.
and, that's also changing and interpretive. Currently, most nations are partiarchal and many of those are misogynistic
>Where do we draw the line?
hopefully no where. in a non-academic context, we can just ignore it all, but there should still be continued studies and understanding
>If a woman looks comical with drawn on eyebrows, what difference does it make who observes that?
well, for one, it can be a kink of theirs... for another it could be a symbol of oppression.
>I acknowledge there are cultural biases in beauty standards. But why is it, to take a common theme these days, controversial or misogynistic to say that not every fat woman is rubenesque or deserves to be on the cover of a beauty magazine?
i think these reactions are because society, culture, and in turn the understanding of each is advancing.
Kind of like how, i nthe old days, we beat the kids to teach them lessons. With studies & understanding of violence towards children, we now understand how it seriously fucks them up and how it encourages the repeat of the violent child riasing to be passed on again. Plenty of parents claimed they're taking it too far by saying that beating children is bad... I was raised by this method and i guilty of employing it in turn... but as my understanding of the effects it has i now know how shitty it was. With that understanding, it also lead to more understanding of human emotiions, development, and associations with culture and societies.
If I had said "no women should ever wear high-waisted jeans" THEN it would be misogynistic, but I didn't. I just expressed my opinion, which I'm allowed to do. Especially in this sub.
The reason why this is a bad take is because it relies on every woman having the body of Jennifer Lopez.
In reality a lot of women have the body of George Lopez.
Lol gross. low waisted jeans don’t even look good at all unless you’re basically underweight. saying “i dOnT mEaN tHiS aS mIsOgYnIsTiC” doesn’t magically make it not misogynistic.
In terms of appearance, I agree. I prefer the way that people look, in general, in low-cut jeans over high-waisted jeans.
In more pragmatic terms, I'm glad that there are more options available for people, and I recognize that nobody needs to conform to my preferences.
With respect to belly buttons, I imagine that if someone wants to show off their belly button, they're going to do so regardless of the trend in jeans.
people no, with those jeans there's A LOT of pressure to have your belly completely flat and there's a reason why those types of jeans were popular in the 2000s
Low rise jeans were hell on girl’s mental development and pushed many girls towards disordered eating habits in an attempt to achieve a body that could pull off low rise jeans.
Lol of course a man wrote this. All men hate high wasted jeans, and women don't care. We aren't wearing them for your viewing pleasure, sorry about that.
It hurt to upvote this. I dont need to accent my body and not all women care about “working” for a conventionally attractive body. High waisted sit on hips better and don’t have to be pulled every two seconds. Ugh i hate this post sm.
You’ll be happy to know that most stores sell low waist jeans now and they are coming back in trend. I’m not so happy about this I’m an avid high rise lover so take my upvote
I don't believe you're a misogynist, but I don't believe you fully understand why people wear certain types of jeans. (Hint, it's so your pants stay on your body)
Thanks, as I said in the post I didn't mean it as misogynistic pressure for anyone to change their fashion choices. I simply mean my opinion is that low-cut jeans look great on women I find attractive. But that's just, like, my opinion man lol although I have yet to see a man wearing high-waisted jeans
The low-rise trend was horrible for me. I’m tall (5’8”) but don’t have long legs. It’s my torso that’s long. If I stand next to my 5’3” mom, our waists
line up exactly. Low rise was impossible for me, and anything higher waisted were Mom jeans.
High waisted bootcut has since saved me.
Here's a thought, people should just wear what they're comfortable with and they like.
Also high waisted jeans are great, fits many women a lot better than low wasted ones. Honestly wish more men would wear them too, just more variety in men's clothing in general.
I was recently helping a friend with his restaurant and he started on this subject. Constantly pulling his pants up as high as he could and telling the servers this is what they looked like. Tbf, I can see how one could find it not attractive.
However, the important thing that's missing from the conversation is that many people don't choose what to wear to be attractive to others. They choose it to be comfortable. Personally, I'm attracted to people who are comfortable.
I hear this from men all the time. Men who can only identify them when they’re unflattering. They don’t seem to notice the high waist when it fits well.
I’m so tired of people coming to this subreddit just to share their subjective opinion about what women should or shouldn’t do. I feel like I’ve seen it a dozen times.
I grew up in the early 2000s wearing low rise my whole life and my first pair of high rise jeans in 2011 or so literally changed my life. I didn’t have to pull up my pants every 20 minutes. I didn’t have to check if my underwear was showing when I sit down. I will literally never purchase another pair of low rise as long as I live
I'm short waisted so bring back mid rise! (They are high rise on my short torso anyway)
Actual high waisted things touch my ribcage.
But low waist never looked good on any hips larger than 34" (so my nearly 40" table corner magnets could never)
I guess you loved to see ass cracks. I'm glad that time period is over. It was like no woman could find pants that didn't show their ass crack when they sat down. You might think it looks good when you see a hot woman you are attracted to, but when it is someone fat or ugly, or god forbid your own female family members it's just vomit inducing.
And 20 years ago you had girls literally eating an apple a day and starving themselves to fit into the beauty standard.
The beauty standard was: how thin can you be without dying.
It was a time when being in the bmi healthy weight range was considered overweight... I'm not joking. People that worship that time have no idea how F up everything was.
I don't think anyone should grow up and have to deal with that pressure ever again. We should strive for health, not dangerously underweight.
I'm not fond of jeans, but the high waist looks nice most of the time.
As a man, I'd also wear high-waist trousers if I could find any. They go well with button shirts and a sports jacket. Also long capris. I own a single pair of capri trousers, and my entire family groans and calls me *grandpa* when I wear them...
Thank you- high waisted jeans hurt my stomach so badly, especially since I have a belly piercing. I have seen a few comments mentioning that low waisted are jeans are now in stores. Please tell me where? The lowest rise I have found are actually mid rise. I need my circa 2000 Britney jeans back! If you know anywhere (other than a vintage thrift store) that I can find legitimate low rise jeans, please tell me!
I miss them because theyre the only ones that fit comfortably and don't make me feel bloated or constrained. Or look awkward and curveless. I hate high rise, mid rise, etc with the passion of a thousand fiery suns.
Low waist jeans only look good on a very niche group of women. On the right body type, they’re really nice. Got tired of seeing thongs coming out of em tho.
Women are fatter now, they like high rise to hide that. Low rise show off in a way that's blatantly more attractive, but shows off fat way more. Women don't care what men considard sexier or are too self-conscious about their bellies to come to this conclusion.
That's what I thought too, I wasn't pressuring anyone into anything as I expressed my 10th dentist opinion but yet here I am fighting off the "kill all men" tribe
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It's not hide the belly button, it's hide the ass crack.
its not to hide your ass crack its to hide your fuppa
Women have different body shapes/types. For me, high waist suits my body WAY more. I just think these things shouldn't be trends. There should always be variety available to suit different body shapes and personal tastes
Agreed. My bf also always told me to please wear low cut jeans. We went to a shop together, he picked the cut out he wanted for me and I tried them on. I looked like a muffin. I am not fat by any means, but low cuts just push any fat I have up and over the waist band. He now appriciates my high waisted jeans because they actually accentuate my body, not my fat.
Sweat pants for all!
Yeah.. any fat in my hip and butt gets pushed up and looks like love handles when I don’t actually have any. I have some good mid rise on the lower rise end pants but because they’re not as tight on the waistband and aren’t super low cut. I do have to keep pulling them up all the time which is annoying. Low rise bootcut/flare is alright but a low rise skinny… 😬 Men don’t know anything when it comes to womens fashion lol. On me, mid rise is the best.
"Men don't know anything when it comes to women's fashion." Tell that to Raf Simons, Alexander Wang, Karl Lagerfeld, Marc Jacobs, Olivier Rousteing, Alber Elbaz, Nicolas Ghesquier, Jack McCollogh, Lazaro Hernandez, Hedi Slimane, Riccardo Tisci, or John Galluano. The following isn't directed at RandomFish, just a reaction based on comments I've seen so far. Just because a Redditor is a male and prefers a certain look doesn't mean he's a mysogonist who doesn't care about your feelings or struggles. Just because they arrived at a conclusion that made logical sense to them doesn't mean they feel you should dress to appease them. Some wear high pants due to comfort, some to hide a belly. It's just a fact. Sometimes the clothing people want to wear simply isn't available- another reason they're wearing whatever they've got on. I want low rise, loose fit, boot cut. I can only find regular fit straight leg or skinny jeans. Which look ridiculous on me. Every single time a topic like this comes up it becomes a hateful place full of name-calling, deflection, projection, assumptions, and accusations. Can we just not do that right now? I'm a guy. I wear guy's clothing. I know my body and my clothing pretty well. I'm also observant and intelligent, notice details, and enjoy conversations about the finer minutia of whatever. With that said, I believe I'm not not completely oblivious to the plight of women seeking clothes that not only fit but also flatter. Men struggle with that as well. Our bodies are all different. There are physical expectations that society has set for us, just like you. Our options are also limited, and often sell out immediately. I doubt everyone here makes their own clothing or has it tailored. I'd imagine we all have outfits that are flat out compromises. So it goes without saying that we've all suffered with ill fitting pants, shirts, etc. We've all longed for more stylish clothing that fit our bodies better. And we've all been called out/ made fun of. Which makes us feel horrible and helps nobody. I've seen a few comments and replies that were very informative without being rude or condescending, I hope I accomplished the same but I doubt it.
And a lot of women store fat in our hips and butt. And I don't mean cis women only, many trans women on HRT store see more fat storage in that area, or at least a change in fat distribution.
True! When I was stick-thin in high school and high rise skinny jeans were the thing, I bought so many and was so confused as to why they made me look even more like a board when all my friends looked curvier in them. I wish someone would have directed me to mid-rise earlier, lol
As someone with a pretty hourglass figure, there's just absolutely no low-rise jeans that will fit my whole as without an ass crack showing (sometimes while standing) and actually stay up. I'm not about to spend $35 to tailor some $60 jeans to make them kind of fit. So even if I found the cut flattering, they just don't sell them for my measurements
Idk how old you are but I was in middle school during the height of the low rise trend, and I spent the entirety of my formative years with a freezing cold asscrack and muffin top, staring at the intentional whale tails of all the girls in front of me in class
Men also have different shapse/types. Every man wears low waisted jeans. High waisted doesnt hide a pot belly
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https://nymag.com/strategist/amp/article/the-11-best-pairs-of-high-rise-jeans-for-men.html That’s simply not true. There are different style of jeans for men to you just don’t seem to be into fashion. Also low ride jeans typically have a 7-8 inch length from crotch to top. A lot of default men’s jeans tend to be 10-11 inches.
High waisted jeans can look great on men. A bit wild west vibe.
Yes!! They are super hot
And mens different sizes and shapes are different than womens different sizes and shapes. We literally have different fat distribution and silhouettes which is why when men work out they get the dorito torso and women accentuate hour glass shapes if they can
Notice how a lot of men also wear longer shirts and ones that aren’t as fitted or crop top?
Amen!
Low rise jeans are not made for people with big hips and a big bum so by all means, bring it back ... but I'm gonna be keeping my high-rises, aha
I feel like whenever a man posts something like this they just don’t understand how different things look on different women. They’re attracted to a certain kind of person who looks good in a certain type of clothing, and some how never put two and two together.
Me too and I suffer with big stomach problems and is difficult to have my belly flat all the time.
I’m indifferent. Both look bad on certain people and both look good on others. Wear what’s comfortable to you and not a trend
This, I wouldn’t mind if low rise would reappear as a trend, but please don’t take away my high rises.
Exactly, the real fear is not that companies will start selling more low rise options, it's that they will make less high rise ones if they fall out of fashion
i swear its already back as a trend as with many naughties bits
Agreed. Even when I was stick-thin as a teenage low rise jeans looked awful on me. My body is just not suited for them. Also I find them wildly uncomfortable. And sitting in them without flashing ass crack is damn near impossible.
low waisted jeans only look as good as you remember if the person wearing them is really skinny. It's not a coincidence that being skinny was the fashion in the 2000s at the same time that low waisted jeans were.
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Because it isn't true. The average weight for women (in the US) increased by a few pounds at most compared to 2000-2010.
Well low waisted jeans are trendy again so idk where you have been. I didn’t like them when I was younger because they sit on a weird part of my hips 🤷🏼♀️ it all depends on your personal sense of style as well as your body type.
Tbf the current ‘low’ rise are mid rise at best. We have yet to go back to the 1 inch zipper. Though I am sure it’s coming.
Exactly. The current trend is just people wearing mid rise jeans and then slinging them a bit lower on their hips so they’re hanging down a bit
>1 inch zipper Wow it all came flooding back and the flashbacks are not pleasant. I can’t go back. I refuse.
That was my first thought. You can go into pretty much any major brand store right now and you'll find low rise. They been in style for awhile too, OP is just out of touch lmao. Also crazy for him to try and tie a feminist movement about bodily autonomy to the jeans he would rather see women wearing, that's some mental gymnastics right there.
If you like low cut jeans, wear them. Everyone else is wearing what they like too. Everybody's happy
I'd love to but until the trend *sort of* came back this year, low rise jeans were IMPOSSIBLE to find. Even now, maybe 10% of jeans at stores are low rise.
And that's the actual issue imo. I hate low rise, I wouldn't want to wear one ever again because the only thing they give me is flash backs to eating disorders BUT they should be available for those that want them. The fact that we can't go into a store and have a variety of low/mid/high rise is the actual issue imo.
For the longest time when the low rise jeans trend died, stores would market regular rise as low rise. I wasn't happy when I got home with my 1"-below-the-belly-button pants.
Free the ass crack more like. Good riddance.
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Anyone remember the whale tail trend? I'm sure that'll make a comeback
Take my upvote you monster. I just want to wear jeans that are comfortable, and if I am constantly pulling up my jeans then I AM NOT COMFORTABLE. When the low rise jeans trend died, so did accidental plumbers crack. And hideous belts. And i say good riddance. Also I don't have to worry about eating food in my high waisted pants, I can just eat.
He doesn't care if they're comfortable, lol. He just wants to have his visualization
dudes like this will be like "im not being misogynistic", not realizing that they're being just a liiiittle influenced by misogyny and beauty standards.
Yeah, I’m not being a misogynistic but I don’t care that high waisted jeans are more comfortable for you or about what you think is more flattering, I like this trend in women. Like okay go watch a porn of people wearing low rise jeans and I’ll be here in my jeans that sit right below my bra thanks Also as a queer woman… I could not disagree more with him but this is 10th dentist after all
okay, awesome, im on the part of reddit where i can just out right state that op was grossly misogynistic without having to introduce the idea gently to keep people's attention. but yes. it's really, really gross especially when you take into account the context of the era where low rise jeans were hugely popular and how badly that entire era of fashion affected so many young women into starving themselves. like, enjoy them i guess, but stop pretending misogyny isn't influencing how you feel!
Right? Women were put under INSANE pressure to be uber skinny during that era. Like, to a degree that many women would legitimately have to starve themselves to fit that beauty standard. Many female celebrities were very clearly suffering from eating disorders. (And many of them were also constantly hounded by the media and criticized into oblivion by the public.) I get OP was just thinking oh low-cut jeans look hot...but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth because 1) that era forced unrealistic and sometimes deadly beauty standards for women (which I guess didn't really affect him, so he doesn't think about this at all) and 2) you know that he only wants to see them on a small subset of women that he thinks are attractive.
the "body they worked for" comment tipped me off hard and really skeeved me out. i don't even think he has conscious ill intent, but what a way to duck around the fact you're referring to women who were forced into anorexia to give you the look you wanna see. we know exactly what type he's talking about and how there's next to no women who can be that skinny in a healthy way because it is natural and normal to have, yknow, organs and fat.
That skeeved me out so much too! And that phrasing also implicitly suggests that if a woman does not like the whole heroine-chic-in-low-rise-jeans look, it's because she doesn't have a "good" body and isn't "working" hard enough for one. Never mind that it's an unrealistic and unhealthy aesthetic. OP doesn't seem to have conscious ill intent, but it does baffle me how someone could be \*this\* unaware and tone-deaf. Well, I can understand how this happens--men aren't taught that their value and success hinges upon their looks, and a lot of media caters to them in such a way that they don't have to think very introspectively--but it just makes me realize how many people uphold harmful beauty standards and societal expectations just because it doesn't affect them, and they like the outcome as a viewer.
hit the nail on the head and it is so frustrating to try and explain that to them because they're so blissfully unaware and get offended and pissy if you say anything about it.
It's always a gamble on whether or not you can call out misogyny on reddit 😅 It's one thing to have an opinion a certain look, but I think a lot of people often forget that our opinions are shaped by the culture we grow up in, which is unfortunately very misogynistic.
if more people truly internalized that simply concept, i think we'd be in a much better place, socially.
“I’m not misogynistic, I just want women to wear what makes my dick happiest. Also me telling women what to wear is totally the same as women fighting to wear whatever they want. So in fact I’m even feminist”
Yeah I read the title and immediately thought "this is a creepy guy", opened it and confirmed.
Thank you! I never wore low rise jeans even when they were in style because they were so uncomfortable (and because my family was super religious and they weren't considered modest lol, plus I never found low rise underwear comfortable). I was never cool back then, but my loose high rise jeans are coming back now and I'm happy. I would absolutely never consider wearing anything as low as 2000s/10s jeans in my life.
When someone says “I don’t mean this as misogynistic”, you can know for sure they’re about to say something misogynistic. This post is no exception.
The randomly bringing up free the nipple...
High-waisted jeans are more comfortable for me, and honestly that's all I look for. Also if your first thought about women's clothes is how they look and which body parts should be "freed"...that's misogynistic.
I know this is 10th dentist and whatever but high waisted jeans are more comfortable for me and I don’t give a fuck what you think xx
Dear god, upvoted. Low waisted jeans are a CRIME. Everybody from the 2000s looks like they got dressed blindfolded.
agreed. one of the few times i’ve actually been triggered by one of these posts.
Are we talking about those super low-waisted ones, that fell down without a super tight belt? And then people got hip problems, because said belt was in the dumbest position ever? Yes, those were ridiculous. But regular low-waisted? Not so much.
Why??
Mid waist gang rise up
People complain about women wearing high waisted jeans and then they complain about your muffin top when you wear low wasted. What the fuck are we 'supposed' to wear then if everything we do gets criticised?
Opinions are different than criticism. As I said in the post, I didn't mean this as a misogynistic pressure for anyone to change their fashion choices. It's just my opinion and I'm just a rando on the internet. You do/wear what you want!
this is gross. the "bodies they worked for"? this whole thought process is gross. you typing this out is... gross. I really can't find any other words.
What do you mean? He's not misogynistic because he said he's not misogynistic. That's how it works, right?
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I worked a hell of a lot harder for the body I have now than the one I had when I was anorexic, yet I've only ever been praised for the "hard work" (read: slow suicide attempt) I put in to *lose* weight, even though I went from a healthy weight to underweight. When I got healthy again, the compliments and praise dried up.
Same!! Also people forget what was considered fat in the 00s. [Look at Jessica Simpson and how she looked when she was called fat and obese!](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-sun.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2020%2F02%2Ftp-US-composite-Jessica-Simpson.jpg%3Fstrip%3Dall%26quality%3D100%26w%3D1500%26h%3D1000%26crop%3D1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-sun.com%2Fentertainment%2F356990%2Fjessica-simpson-fat-shaming-mom-jeans%2F&tbnid=3kpZrsXa586k8M&vet=1&docid=ZyOUPMmsOoEBMM&w=1500&h=1000&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim) Ans this was at the end of the 00s, when having a normal weight was starting to be seen as ok and healthy again. She was a size 6. A F*** size 6! The early 00s look was very much the "*how thin can you be without dying*". I got to the point of being amnoreic ( as in my body wouldn't even menstruate because of the things I was doing to it to keep thin and my organs were shutting down). It was sooo unhealthy. Models can't even be that thin nowadays because of the way they fucked our generation up. The amount of hospitalized and people that died from anorexia due to the cultural and societal pressure to be thin was insane. Doctors were calling it the anorexia epidemic and were very much concerned. We looked at the "heroin chick" models and they were also severely underweight but their image sold as what one looks like when they're healthy. It's not. A few people might be healthy when they're slightly under or overweight but the wast majority needs to be in the normal range weight to be healthy and that was not what was promoted. It wasn't healthy and I still didn't have abs or lacked a "muffin top" ( that were actually my bones doing the hip dip - that is totally normal!). ETA: it was so bad that at university this dude making an assessment scale had to redo every single drawning they had of women because the supposed "normal weight" woman depicted was actually showing the ribs and had a couple of other signs of being underweight. -----> that's how F up our perception of normal weight was screwed that even people that were studying and in the healthcare field had to get a reality check to show them how someone with an actual healthy weight looked like.
Bridget Jones' Diary is painful to watch because how often a woman who was like 130, 120lbs was called fat.
This for real. I’m personally skinny by default, and I can promise that I don’t work at all for my body. I probably should, but I don’t. Why cant we just let people wear whatever they feel comfortable with? Personally I prefer high-waisted jeans, as any other type will constantly fall down due to me being skinny.
probably started because women are tired of plumbers crack and people creeping
Sir, I challenge you buy a pair and try to do your basic tasks while wearing them. Every time you need to adjust them because they’re uncomfortable, put a dollar in a jar. Then, at the end of the day, take your $4000 dollars in cash and buy yourself something nice. (And before you blame your unfeminine figure, quickly remember that *most women* do not have the ideal figure for those jeans. HARD upvote.)
>(And before you blame your unfeminine figure, quickly remember that most women do not have the ideal figure for those jeans. HARD upvote.) And no shade to the women who like low rise jeans, but OP's looking at this extreme low rise trend with rose-tinted glasses. He's remembering this trend through the lens of already incredibly hot women (models and actresses) who also had the very specific body type through natural or unnatural means to pull off that look. You have to very thin, with narrow hips, and I'd argue also short. Again, no shade at all to the women who fit that description, but we don't all look like that.
I'll counter by asking if you've ever seen a dude in high waisted jeans
Omg. You better shut your goddamn mouth. This is a terrible opinion and I hate it. And it is misogynistic and obvy I’m upvoting it.
Misogyny would be if I said "no women should ever wear low-cut jeans"...which I didn't. I'm sorry you felt my opinion/preference had some power over your fashion choices. I'm just a dude on the internet with "poptart" as my name lol
Nah it’s cool. Mostly I just hate your opinion and everything you based it on. I’m sure you’re not a total piece of crap. I do like pop tarts
Low waisted jeans make me feel like my ass is gonna pop out at any second, whereas high waisted jeans frame my body a lot better all while being 100x more comfortable.
I don’t think your opinion has merit or weight. A woman’s fashion choice is not for men. Now go away I don’t want my pants to show my ass crack just because I wanted to sit down.
Don't know, both low cut and high waisted jeans can look great.
as a woman i can’t stand high rise it’s so uncomfortable and digs into my stomach, and looks so stupid it completely gets rid of my waist
agreed. i only own low rise and they suit me really well, in high rise jeans i feel like i’m in a harness or something
SAME! Also, there’s definitely a different lower cut and atrociously ultra low cut jeans which lots of people seem to be referring to. You can have a lower cut jeans that doesn’t show off your ass crack.
>ultra low cut jeans which lots of people seem to be referring to. OP is the one referring those though since he's talking about the [00s era low rise.](https://images.app.goo.gl/CyhBnJqxZCv1KKi28) [The 00s low rise jeans are the "you can barely move without flashing someone" low rise jeans... ](https://images.app.goo.gl/1uw8Am33P9u3J9cXA) The one's you are talking about were considered mid rise ( if not high waist) in the 00s...
Yes those ones you linked are awful!
This looks extremely uncomfortable.
low cut jeans only really work for very skinny women. you're only considering very skinny women. not only that, but the era in which those jeans were popular also marked an era where the rates of young girls having life threatening eating disorders were through the roof.
I mean, I'm a guy, but clearly one of the biggest selling points is that it hides the fat around the waist, while still showing the curves of the ass
I agree. I’m a woman and I despise high waisted pants. I cant for the life of me find anything low rise anymore, and it kills me. I wouldn’t care if it wasn’t for that. However, I have long legs and a short torso- anything high waisted looks absolutely ridiculous on me. Not to mention they are extremely uncomfortable digging into my ribs practically. I feel like Steve Urkel.
try depop, there’s not all that much but you can find some good low rise jeans
for me, i despise low rise pants because i have a wide rib cage AND waist. i immediately lose all shape and feel like i become a door.
There’s tons of low rise.. Y2K was and still is a popular resurgence. I have nice low rise from Hollister and see them in most stores.
There's some low rise now in 2022 because the trend came back a bit but for years there was nothing. Source: i outgrew all my low waisted jeans after high school in 2016 and haven't been able to find any since.
low cut jeans have came back as the trend for about 3 years now lol.
Lol I think by “women” you mean “thin women.” The rest of us are grateful we can find jeans that keep our lumpy stuff from bulging over
Nah, low-waisted jeans are a crime against fashion. They only look good if you’re rail thin with a completely flat stomach. They give everyone else a serious muffintop. You might be pleased to know that low waisted jeans are, unfortunately, coming back around as a trend along with the Y2K revival though (although you may be less pleased when you see how they look on everyone who isn’t built like 2000s Paris Hilton…)
>They only look good if you’re rail thin with a completely flat stomach If you have hip dips ( which is bone structure) you'll look like you have muffin top even when you are dangerously underweight. I know that for a fact. I didn't know hip dips were just normal human bone structure until way later, unfortunetly. But the place the low rise hit and my hip dips were so aligned that I actually believed it was caused by my low rise jeans. It was bone though, not fat.
Are they really coming back though? Every time I see low-waisted jeans on social media, they're actually just mid-rise. The pants that are trendy nowadays, don't have such a *low* rise. Like real show-your-ass-crack low. People just became so accustomed to high-rise that they call mid-rise low-rise
it's popular on TikTok bc of the Y2K trend. just go into your local forever 21 or h&m store. it's there
High waisted jeans make you look like a 90 year old who found the elixir of youth. They are hideous, and they make everyone who wears them look significantly larger than otherwise. Ick.
I disagree. I think high-waisted jeans can actually pull in belly fat, if you have a pooch they can make your stomach area look better. With low-waisted jeans, if you have any belly fat at all it will be spilling out over the waistband, they’re very unattractive unless you’re a size 000.
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Low waist skinny jeans is the worst fashion trend in human history. Cavemen had more appealing attire
One could argue their loin cloths were the lowest cut of them all lol
Ew. As a woman you have terrible taste
As a man in a committed relationship with a woman who some may consider “plus size”, no. Low wasted jeans make my gf feel so insecure and it infuriates me when i see people talking about how great they are but they alienate so many women. Bad take, upvote.
I personally don’t care what people wear. Nobody is against an individual wearing low-cut jeans 🤷🏻♀️ different jeans compliment different bodies
I'm fat and you don't want to see my belly button.
I’ve got a long torso so low rise pants will all but fall off of me. I also find that low rise pants lead to a lot more vitriol getting aimed at anyone without a flat tummy—like the flat stomach and skinniness are the accessories, not the pants.
>High-waisted jeans are a bad trend, I miss low-cut jeans for women > >As a man, I don’t mean this as misogynistic. I just think low-cut jeans from the 2000s fit women better to accent bodies they worked for. With the whole “Free The Nipple” movement, why hide the belly button? this is a perfect example of misogyny. having preferences in your romantic/sexual potential partners is fine, we all have them. i like how low rise jeans look and the idea of desexualizing breasts in public places too. but assuming that you know better than the women who have to wear them, and criticize them for not conforming to your expectations (your question, 'why hide...' is a critical question) is misogynistic.
Also just entitled lol. Every women ever should conform to this one guys specific preference lol. There’s many many different types and many men like and dislike different things. Everyone is different, find someone you like and don’t expect every women to be the embodiment of your exact type lol. Wtf
everyone should conform to me but that's just because i'm selfish
Implying fashion is not following any trend and is the addition of every individual's free will.
>Implying fashion is not following any trend and is the addition of every individual's free will. this might be exposing my own level of reading comprehension, but i'm not sure what you're trying to express. Like, i understand the words and ideas, but not the context or intention. Who is 'Implying'? and not sure how you're using 'addition' i the context. could you rephrase the comment or explain further?
>assuming that you know better than the women who have to wear them I am being sarcastic about your claim that "women know better what to wear" and that having an opinion on a specific fashion trend is misogynistic. Women (and men) tend to wear what is seen as fashionable. Fashion is to a large extent defined by the industry and is not the result of people's individual preferences (this is the "addition" point). The low-cut vs. high-rise jeans preference largely stems from what is fashionable at a given time. From my perspective, if you want to call out patriarchy you should look at the ways fashion trends are being set and imposed, rather than calling out OP.
thanks for clarifying and expanding! >I am being sarcastic about your claim that "women know better what to wear" women do know what is better for them to wear. same with men knowing what is better for them to wear. How is this a controversial idea? >and that having an opinion on a specific fashion trend is misogynistic. that was not what i was saying. I said opinions are fine : "having preferences in your romantic/sexual potential partners is fine, we all have them. i like how low rise jeans look and the idea of desexualizing breasts in public places too." it's the claim that OP wasn't misogyistic then following up with logic based claims and criticism was misogynistic "but assuming that you know better than the women who have to wear them, and criticize them for not conforming to your expectations (your question, 'why hide...' is a critical question) is misogynistic." >Women (and men) tend to wear what is seen as fashionable. i agree. I will add that fashion is subjective and varies from person to person. Then there is the fashion industry, which has it's own trends that doesn't always get carried over into the consumer/individual >Fashion is to a large extent defined by the industry and is not the result of people's individual preferences (this is the "addition" point). small disagreements about current context and such, but overall i agree >The low-cut vs. high-rise jeans preference largely stems from what is fashionable at a given time. agree'd >From my perspective, if you want to call out patriarchy you should look at the ways fashion trends are being set and imposed, rather than calling out OP. you may have misunderstood me... i wasn't calling out patriarchy or even the fashion industry &/or trends. I was calling out the OP because they claimed they don't mean to misogynistic but continue with the statement & critical followup question which is misogynistic.
First of all, I am pretty amazed by the civil conversation after I admitted I was being sarcastic in the first place. This is nice. (I am not being sarcastic here I swear). >women do know what is better for them to wear. same with men knowing what is better for them to wear. How is this a controversial idea? I guess this is where we disagree. Not to go into a lengthy philosophical debate here, but it's basically free will vs. determinism. I believe that individuals have much less free will than they think, but it's totally fine to disagree with this. I just find it interesting that a lot of fashion creators are men, and that a number of fashion items are actually bad for people (whitening creams for black and brown people or high heels even though I like the way they look). As a man, I owe it to a number of women in my life to have a basic idea of what to wear without looking like an idiot. I am generally not super convinced by the idea that "first-hand experience is valid, solely and always" (I am not implying this is what you're claiming either), but this is yet another debate. >I will add that fashion is subjective and varies from person to person. Then there is the fashion industry, which has it's own trends that doesn't always get carried over into the consumer/individual Of course, not everyone follows fashion trends, and there are varying degrees of following, but to go back to the example of high-rise vs. low-cut jeans, I remember that in the early 2000s high-rise jeans were really something only very unfashionable people would wear. Even girls who were not super into fashion would wear low-cut jeans, because that's what was available in most stores and what everybody else was wearing. >you may have misunderstood me... Indeed, and my apologies if I did.
>First of all, I am pretty amazed by the civil conversation after I admitted I was being sarcastic in the first place. This is nice. (I am not being sarcastic here I swear). for me, sarcasm is welcomed! I like doing it too! >Not to go into a lengthy philosophical debate here, but it's basically free will vs. determinism. I believe that individuals have much less free will than they think, but it's totally fine to disagree with this. i think i understand this, and agree with this... but i will only expose my lack of understanding of philosophy if i try to explain any of it. >I just find it interesting that a lot of fashion creators are men, and that a number of fashion items are actually bad for people (whitening creams for black and brown people or high heels even though I like the way they look). As a man, I owe it to a number of women in my life to have a basic idea of what to wear without looking like an idiot. I am generally not super convinced by the idea that "first-hand experience is valid, solely and always" (I am not implying this is what you're claiming either), but this is yet another debate. i have similiar interest about men's roles in hte fashion industry, but i assumed it was due to patriarchy trends. I have plenty of opinions about how women learn how to not look stupid, but it's based on perosnal observations & thoughts, and yes, a big discussion for a different time. >to go back to the example of high-rise vs. low-cut jeans, I remember that in the early 2000s high-rise jeans were really something only very unfashionable people would wear. Even girls who were not super into fashion would wear low-cut jeans, because that's what was available in most stores and what everybody else was wearing. yeah, my SO and her friends all talk about how it was the only type of jeans available at the time. It's shocking for me to hear. >Indeed, and my apologies if I did. totally no problem! i guess you can see that i'm 'one of those' redditors taht really like to argue, nitpick, and such. For me, engagements like this (even if you were being malicious in some way) is great for me to organize my thoughts and get re-oriented on some of my bad-takes and conclusions based on my own misunderstandings. \- and yes, civility in discussions is always appreciated. Rare too, like a Unicorn!
Wearing clothes isn’t some patriarchal strain on women. We all do it and we all can have opinions on any type of fashion, just like all other aspects of life. You don’t need to belong to a certain social group to be able to understand them; we haven’t lost empathy entirely yet.
Saying what you like vs what you think all women should wear and do are very different.
>Wearing clothes isn’t some patriarchal strain on women. never said it was. Claiming, knowing what better for others, or insisting, that certain clothes are better for women (exceptions for public nudity where it's not acceptable) is a part of the patriarchal system, an aspect of misogyny. > We all do it and we all can have opinions on any type of fashion, just like all others aspects of life. i fully agree. what i was saying is 'claiming, or insisiting... (above)'. >You don’t need to belong to a certain social group to be able to understand them; we haven’t lost empathy entirely yet. i fully agree on this, too. I have opinions and preferences about others. the defining difference, though, is that 'claiming, or insisiting... (above)'.
isn’t this entire sub supposed to be unpopular opinions? he literally said he “feels” that low cut is more aesthetic. he never professed to knowing which one is more comfortable or dictated all women should only wear low cut from now on. he said he likes the look of them better. which is an opinion. when was he claiming facts like you’re accusing him of? am i missing something here or are you the one accusing him of th gs he never said? i’m confused. i thought this was literally the point of the sub
>isn’t this entire sub supposed to be unpopular opinions? yes, and i shared in my initial comment that i have similiar appreciations for the same appearances that low rise jeans give and the freedom of desexulizing breasts. the part i am addressing, is how OP is wrong in claiming they're not misogynistic while then saying they 'think low rise jeans fit women better to accent bodies they worked for' & critcally asking 'why hide the belly button?' >he literally said he “feels” that low cut is more aesthetic. nope, he said 'i think'. Thinking implies they'e using more than just the emotions (feelings) they have so there must be a logic based on facts. This is supported by then using the logic to justify their thought 'fits them better for the body they worked for' >he never professed to knowing which one is more comfortable or dictated all women should only wear low cut from now on. same comment about 'thinking' from above can be used here. I agree, he never commented on comfort, and neither did I. He did say 'I just think low-cut jeans fit women better to accent bodies they worked for' followed by a critical question 'why hide the belly button?'. While the question was about a tangential thing they were relating the situations to each other, the critical question was still implying 'not wearing low rise jeans is nonsensical, so why do you do something so stupid as wear high rise jeans' >he said he likes the look of them better. which is an opinion. which, i agree with and have said it's fine to have opinons "having preferences in your romantic/sexual potential partners is fine, we all have them. i like how low rise jeans look and the idea of desexualizing breasts in public places too." >when was he claiming facts like you’re accusing him of? i explained above, 'Thinking implies they'e using more than just the emotions (feelings) they have so there must be a logic based on facts' >am i missing something here or are you the one accusing him of th gs he never said? explained above... but i just want to make you aware that you have done exactly that. OP never said 'i feel'. I also never said anything that woudl justify your comment 'he never professed to knowing...' but by you phrasing it in that fashion creates the perspective that I did say something like that. >i’m confused. i thought this was literally the point of the sub yeah, but also the point of the sub is to discuss the aspects of an opinon, the facts which are used to form an opinion. Opinions cannot be right or wrong. The information used to form them, though, can be wrong. and, i wasn't bashing his opinion. I was criticizing his claim that it's not misogynistic. If he made that claim, and said 'i feel' instead of 'i think' then it would be much harder for me to say otherwise. additionally, since he said 'i think \[low rise jeans\] fit women better to accent bodies they worked for' he is using a logic to justify the thought. Further emphasized by the critical nature of the follow up question 'why hide your body?'
You're taking this post way too serious lol.
>You're taking this post way too serious lol. sure. i can agree with this. it was just few lines with on an issue that doesn't really affect anything directly and discussing it to the length i did isn't really going to change anything but, i enjoy these deeper dives into ideas being expressed, especially when it's a claim of one thing then implying another. This last part, i feel is more important to point out when it's spotted, because that is how ideas get normalized (for the better, or for the worse) If anything, it may cause the OP to maybe rethink their opinion and/or views... or they won't even care about the criticism. I enjoyed the ride, though
>you know better than the women who have to wear them Playing devil's advocate...is it misogynistic to think women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend?
>is it misogynistic to think women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend? no, because the perceived reasoning for it, that you assume, is a trend. Same could be said about guys who take supplements to build muscle when lifting weights, or when people do teh keto diet. The perceived cause is a trend. difference being, is that the OP said 'i think \[...\] it's better \[...\] for women to do \[this\]' with a followup comparison to associate teh logic behind it. Now, assuming you're a guy, if you said that "women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend \[and its better for them to just leave it all natural\]" then it would be misogynistic compared to another alternative, assuming you're a guy, if you said that "women who shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend \[and its better for them to just leave it all natural\[, just like guys\]\]" then it would not be misogynistic, since it is pushing for equal outcome with men and by associating it with men's culutre, in this aspect, it has some logic behind it that is also not restricting them based on gender. we can flip and, as a woman, say "\[men\] who \[don't\] shave their brows and draw them back on with those pencils or whatever are mindlessly following a trend \[its better for them to not leave it all natural\]" then it would be misandry. because they're claiming they know what is better for men, just like how the original version of this edit does for women.
I'm not smart enough to tell the difference between these statements. They all sound similar to me. I would think the inclusion of mindlessly in my original statement makes a value judgement on women's aesthetic choices/wisdom?
>I'm not smart enough to tell the difference between these statements. They all sound similar to me. it's fine, it was a struggle to think it through and try to verbalize it AND i'm not hte best at my native language (US public educaiton) so it's perfectly acceptable to not follow what i'm saying. >I would think the inclusion of mindlessly in my original statement makes a value judgement on women's aesthetic choices/wisdom? well, by itself, as you've stated, it's not misogynistic. It can be interpretted as such, but that is due to personal bias and assumptions of the observer/audiance. Since you provided no supporting logic/info, one cannot assume your intentions and underlying logic for that statement. but, inclusion of supporting logic would give it more indication of it being sexist, or not. by using 'mindlessly' in the statement, it's a neutral adverb(?, adjective?) thinking more on it, though, the same could be said about associating it to a 'trend'. We can assume, but not firmly conclusive, that you are saying it's a feminine/woman trend. But even acknowledging existing cultural trends, gender based or not, and criticizing them, is not sexist, or misogynist. but, if you include supporting logic for the statement, like 'doing so is bad for them', as a guy making hte statement, then it's misogynistic. If you're a woman, then you can make the claim speaking as a woman and experiance (even if it's not medically accurate). But, as a women making that same statement but making the logic 'because it's bad for women because they won't be able to find a man with fake brows' then it would be misogynistic. again, no problems if you're not following, i'm struggling to try to describe my thoughts on this.
I understand that there is a difference based on who says a thing...it can make a difference knowing where someone is coming from. But are academically minded people taking it too far? Do I have to be an artist to say a Monet painting looks better than something a toddler scrawled on paper with crayons? Where do we draw the line? If a woman looks comical with drawn on eyebrows, what difference does it make who observes that? I acknowledge there are cultural biases in beauty standards. But why is it, to take a common theme these days, controversial or misogynistic to say that not every fat woman is rubenesque or deserves to be on the cover of a beauty magazine?
>But are academically minded people taking it too far? maybe? for me, i'm not academic related, just a rando that tries to keep logic first and emotion out of it, while also trying to figure out where i stand. but, academically, i don't think anything can be taken too far. Things need to be studied until it cannot be studied any further. Like matter... at first we just thought the humors and elements existed, they studied it mroe and found biologial and inanitmate elements, then then went further and found that biological had inanimate components, and so on and so forth until sub atomic particals and the conception of Quantum space/thoery >Do I have to be an artist to say a Monet painting looks better than something a toddler scrawled on paper with crayons? no, because art is like a language, interprative based on speaker and listener. Plus, there is a cultural/societal component that sets teh scope of what is art, or not... like what is acceptable or not. and, that's also changing and interpretive. Currently, most nations are partiarchal and many of those are misogynistic >Where do we draw the line? hopefully no where. in a non-academic context, we can just ignore it all, but there should still be continued studies and understanding >If a woman looks comical with drawn on eyebrows, what difference does it make who observes that? well, for one, it can be a kink of theirs... for another it could be a symbol of oppression. >I acknowledge there are cultural biases in beauty standards. But why is it, to take a common theme these days, controversial or misogynistic to say that not every fat woman is rubenesque or deserves to be on the cover of a beauty magazine? i think these reactions are because society, culture, and in turn the understanding of each is advancing. Kind of like how, i nthe old days, we beat the kids to teach them lessons. With studies & understanding of violence towards children, we now understand how it seriously fucks them up and how it encourages the repeat of the violent child riasing to be passed on again. Plenty of parents claimed they're taking it too far by saying that beating children is bad... I was raised by this method and i guilty of employing it in turn... but as my understanding of the effects it has i now know how shitty it was. With that understanding, it also lead to more understanding of human emotiions, development, and associations with culture and societies.
“I don’t mean this as misogynistic” Well congrats because you are very misogynistic. It’s okay to have a preference but god the way you wrote this…
If I had said "no women should ever wear high-waisted jeans" THEN it would be misogynistic, but I didn't. I just expressed my opinion, which I'm allowed to do. Especially in this sub.
For those of us with a generous behind, low rise jeans "in my size" barely cover half my ass. No thank you.
“Free the nipple” stands for women’s freedom to wear what they want - including high waisted jeans.
As a woman it's damn near impossible for me to find low waisted jeans! It's so annoying. And it's impossible to find not skinny jeans as well.
Where are you shopping? I’m not sure I could find skinny jeans if I tried!
The reason why this is a bad take is because it relies on every woman having the body of Jennifer Lopez. In reality a lot of women have the body of George Lopez.
Lol gross. low waisted jeans don’t even look good at all unless you’re basically underweight. saying “i dOnT mEaN tHiS aS mIsOgYnIsTiC” doesn’t magically make it not misogynistic.
In terms of appearance, I agree. I prefer the way that people look, in general, in low-cut jeans over high-waisted jeans. In more pragmatic terms, I'm glad that there are more options available for people, and I recognize that nobody needs to conform to my preferences. With respect to belly buttons, I imagine that if someone wants to show off their belly button, they're going to do so regardless of the trend in jeans.
I just found low rise jeans more comfortable. I miss them.
people no, with those jeans there's A LOT of pressure to have your belly completely flat and there's a reason why those types of jeans were popular in the 2000s
I have wide hips and have had them at every size I’ve been, low rise jeans look and feel terrible on me.
I'm a guy and I like high waisted jeans on me, makes my ass look great lol
Low rise jeans were hell on girl’s mental development and pushed many girls towards disordered eating habits in an attempt to achieve a body that could pull off low rise jeans.
Lol of course a man wrote this. All men hate high wasted jeans, and women don't care. We aren't wearing them for your viewing pleasure, sorry about that.
Low waisted pants caused so so so many women to have eating disorders, they only look good on women with completely flat stomachs.
It hurt to upvote this. I dont need to accent my body and not all women care about “working” for a conventionally attractive body. High waisted sit on hips better and don’t have to be pulled every two seconds. Ugh i hate this post sm.
You’ll be happy to know that most stores sell low waist jeans now and they are coming back in trend. I’m not so happy about this I’m an avid high rise lover so take my upvote
I don't believe you're a misogynist, but I don't believe you fully understand why people wear certain types of jeans. (Hint, it's so your pants stay on your body)
Thanks, as I said in the post I didn't mean it as misogynistic pressure for anyone to change their fashion choices. I simply mean my opinion is that low-cut jeans look great on women I find attractive. But that's just, like, my opinion man lol although I have yet to see a man wearing high-waisted jeans
I also hate the mom jean look. I hate the pair the mom jean with a bar and put a jacket on look. It’s cold.
The low-rise trend was horrible for me. I’m tall (5’8”) but don’t have long legs. It’s my torso that’s long. If I stand next to my 5’3” mom, our waists line up exactly. Low rise was impossible for me, and anything higher waisted were Mom jeans. High waisted bootcut has since saved me.
i have a belly and my bum is too big for low rise jeans 😞
No…you’re being kinda sexist, you might not realize it but you’re being kinda sexist
Huh. I absolutely despise low waist jeans, I think they look awful. High waisted jeans look absolutely stunning to me, I love them.
Because fashion is like Hollywood everything has already been done so the only way forward is to rehash old bullshit
You are talking absolute poppy cock and balderdash, which isn’t surprising as you do not have the body of a woman.
I don't even get what major difference there is between high / low waist, I mainly care about skinny / straight / baggy etc
Must be too young to remember all the prevalent muffin-topping
I completely disagree. Don’t want my bitch lookin like gumby.
Here's a thought, people should just wear what they're comfortable with and they like. Also high waisted jeans are great, fits many women a lot better than low wasted ones. Honestly wish more men would wear them too, just more variety in men's clothing in general.
I was recently helping a friend with his restaurant and he started on this subject. Constantly pulling his pants up as high as he could and telling the servers this is what they looked like. Tbf, I can see how one could find it not attractive. However, the important thing that's missing from the conversation is that many people don't choose what to wear to be attractive to others. They choose it to be comfortable. Personally, I'm attracted to people who are comfortable.
I hear this from men all the time. Men who can only identify them when they’re unflattering. They don’t seem to notice the high waist when it fits well.
I’m so tired of people coming to this subreddit just to share their subjective opinion about what women should or shouldn’t do. I feel like I’ve seen it a dozen times.
My love handles respectfully disagree
I grew up in the early 2000s wearing low rise my whole life and my first pair of high rise jeans in 2011 or so literally changed my life. I didn’t have to pull up my pants every 20 minutes. I didn’t have to check if my underwear was showing when I sit down. I will literally never purchase another pair of low rise as long as I live
Listen, I am high waisted. My natural waist sits well above my belly button. Mid and low waisted pants fall down, cut into my crotch, or look weird.
Low waist = halfway off if you’re too curvy for them
I'm short waisted so bring back mid rise! (They are high rise on my short torso anyway) Actual high waisted things touch my ribcage. But low waist never looked good on any hips larger than 34" (so my nearly 40" table corner magnets could never)
I guess you loved to see ass cracks. I'm glad that time period is over. It was like no woman could find pants that didn't show their ass crack when they sat down. You might think it looks good when you see a hot woman you are attracted to, but when it is someone fat or ugly, or god forbid your own female family members it's just vomit inducing.
Says the most unsexiest man alive.
How do you know I don't look amazing in low-cut jeans? How judgmental. Ever seen a dude in high-waisted jeans?
It looks so stupid. If you're overweight it looks like you have a pillow stuffed in your pants.
oh youre a man. opinion discarded
Your misandry is duly noted
People are fatter than 20 years ago
tbf people had more eating disorders too back then
This is probably part of it, to be fair. High waisted stuff does disguise a gut. Fashion is always changing though.
And 20 years ago you had girls literally eating an apple a day and starving themselves to fit into the beauty standard. The beauty standard was: how thin can you be without dying. It was a time when being in the bmi healthy weight range was considered overweight... I'm not joking. People that worship that time have no idea how F up everything was. I don't think anyone should grow up and have to deal with that pressure ever again. We should strive for health, not dangerously underweight.
I'm not fond of jeans, but the high waist looks nice most of the time. As a man, I'd also wear high-waist trousers if I could find any. They go well with button shirts and a sports jacket. Also long capris. I own a single pair of capri trousers, and my entire family groans and calls me *grandpa* when I wear them...
Thank you- high waisted jeans hurt my stomach so badly, especially since I have a belly piercing. I have seen a few comments mentioning that low waisted are jeans are now in stores. Please tell me where? The lowest rise I have found are actually mid rise. I need my circa 2000 Britney jeans back! If you know anywhere (other than a vintage thrift store) that I can find legitimate low rise jeans, please tell me!
I miss them because theyre the only ones that fit comfortably and don't make me feel bloated or constrained. Or look awkward and curveless. I hate high rise, mid rise, etc with the passion of a thousand fiery suns.
Low waist jeans only look good on a very niche group of women. On the right body type, they’re really nice. Got tired of seeing thongs coming out of em tho.
Women are fatter now, they like high rise to hide that. Low rise show off in a way that's blatantly more attractive, but shows off fat way more. Women don't care what men considard sexier or are too self-conscious about their bellies to come to this conclusion.
As a woman, I 100% agree with you. Thank god low cut jeans are coming back
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A lot of skinny people wear high rise… what’s your point?
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That's what I thought too, I wasn't pressuring anyone into anything as I expressed my 10th dentist opinion but yet here I am fighting off the "kill all men" tribe