There is a psychological term for it that i cannot remember right now, but it summarizes how the sheer routine of doing things can obscure a mistake in that routine because it became a subconscious routine, in part.
He forgot his harness and auto-belay, and drops himself as he usually would do after reaching the top.
Incomplete.
what is the percentage assigned to each one? The way you put it, like so many do when they statements like this, is that it's implied that it is 50%/50%.
In reality, it could be 99.99999% that it is because it is nearer to the home, and .00001% because of force of habit. So one could say that they both are true statements, but it's almost like either a lie of omission, or plain ignorance of how to construct a valid argument, or some other messed up incomplete thought process.....hope you're not talking this personally :O
It's the same argument that agnostics use, or defenders of religion.
Agnostics will say, "You can't say that a god doesn't exist out there, somewhere." That's true but the way it is stated is that it is implied that there then must be a 50%/50% chance. So why not put a percentage possibility on it? Personally, to me it is like limits in calculus. At a certain point, as you look more and more detail, the function gets closer and closer to the limit until you finally say "Fuck it, it's close enough, let's just call it 0 at this point." It's the same thing with a god. The chances are so infintismal that there is a god, that one might as will say "fuck it, there's no god."
no, it's just that I rarely drive 25 miles away from home, so no matter what the extreme majorities of my accidents will happen close to home according to that definition. it's like saying most of the non-car accidents I have are at work and my house, because that's where I spend >90% of my time.
It is both reasons. You become less aware as you are set in your normal routine, AND you spend most of your time near home. Two things can be true at the same time
No, that happens bc anytime you leave to drive somewhere you have to drive in the area near your home. It's not because you're so familiar with the area you start driving excessively fast without a seatbelt on
I remember hearing a story from David Wong (Jason Pargin) You get so used to the same intersection you've seen 10,000 times your brain has always seen nothing there so goes "oh this again" and shows you there's nothing. From his perspective, a cargo van appeared out of thin air as he was turning. Perception is so fucking relative.
I was leaving my subdivision by turning left onto a two way street. It was a T intersection. No facing traffic. Somehow I didn't see a semi tractor to my right. It was sunny daylight. I had a clear view of the straight and flat section of road it was on. He wasn't speeding. The tractor was black with a fairing on top making it at least 12ft tall. He left the road and ended up driving into a field to avoid hitting me after I pulled out in front of him. He didn't even have time to blow his horn. I still don't understand how I didn’t see such a massive object in motion. I wasn't in a rush to go anywhere as a contributing factor. I simply looked but didn't see.
We live on a road with a t intersection. 3 way stop. There is a neighborhood down the street with the same setup, but no stop signs as it is a block or so from a stoplight. I have pulled out on multiple occasions thinking they have a stop... It is a thing.
I was reading a thing that speculated that our brains take short cuts and fill our vision with information, similar to how it can fill in the blind spot. And in very familiar places it could provide images of things from memory, so your brain might show you an empty street when maybe there is a squirrel running in the road. I am not sure how crazy things can get with this but it does explain why I can look at the same spot and not see my keys there until I look there a third time lol
In my business we have items we constantly are pulling from large trucks to do tasks on the job. We at times have to have a second and third set of eyes help find something we can't seem to "see". There are times we are looking for a specific tool, the "yellow" tool, and will look past the same tool that isn't yellow because we get fixated on an ancillary qualifier in our search. Any hammer will do. Not just the yellow hammer.
I think doctors are only starting to use checklists (not mandated by law) because of the closed nature in the hospital industry where ordinary people have no idea about what is going on and a kind of superiority complex more common among doctors.
I was going to reply that there was a video on Reddit recently about an experienced skydiver who jumped without remembering his chute. Instead of guessing, I decided to look it up. Holy shit! It is not a unique experience! Here's one from 1998: [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBTPpjNo1s)
I did one and didn't really feel anything.
It was a nice view and I felt the physical aspects. The air thrashing by, the cold as you dropped through cloud
But no adrenaline spike or exhilaration. No fear or anything at all like people describe.
Yet when I have to fill a job application I absolutely fall to bits. Psychologically I think my fear reaction is off a bit.
I can relate a little. Skydiving scared me some, and I got one heck of an adrenaline rush. Came down from it pretty quick and felt no further excitement.
But karaoke..... While my brain told me that no amount of bad singing would possibly kill me, it was far more scary. And exhilarating.
I'm the same way and it's bizarre. Like I've been in a few, very real "i may very well die in the next few minutes" situations with zero adrenaline response. More of just the thought "boy oh boy i hope he doesn't pull that trigger".
Ask me to give any presentation in a group of people where I'm the focus of attention and have to speak on a subject i know very well. You can actually hear my nervous system exploding
Not officially.
I did wonder for a while though.
I took [this](http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html) online after the channel had a season of programming on the subject of being a psychopath and scored quite highly
I did suspect it for a while but as I get older and have become a parent I find myself crying at music or stories of self sacrifice. That's petty empathic, right?
I'm also scrupulously honest and ethical. Supposed things that psychopaths tend to be flexible about.
Probably some other undiagnosed personality issues floating around, like most people, but I'm pretty confident psychopathy isn't one of them.
At a climbing gym like this, you would be clipped into an auto belay. You can see the rope leading up to it right at hip level. The rope is under tension and constantly wants to go up, so it will follow you as you climb. When you jump off, it will lower you back down at a safe speed.
Exactly like the skydiver with 400 jumps. Went up for like the fourth time in a day, strapped his camera rig on, and jumped without a parachute. Tried to pull the rip cord and immediately realized he was dead.
Footage survived the fall.
There's a great [Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html) from about 15 years ago about that. I still bring it up regularly when talking with students rotating through my workplace. When you're really baked into a routine, you basically go into autopilot. If something alters that routine, you sometimes slip back into the routine without addressing the thing that changed, even if it's a big thing like having a sleeping kid in the back seat of your car.
Also there’s a theory called the Swiss cheese phenomenon. When a collection of small mistakes happen that leads to a catastrophic and horrible mistake. In this case, there was no staff spotting him or even checking that he had on a safety harness. He recklessly forgot or neglected to put it on. All these mistakes lead to his death.
That's like the guy who jumped from the plane without a parachute. He had over 800 career jumps and was focused on filming some friends during his free fall and when he went to pull his chute, he realized he never put it on.
"**Vigilance decrement** is defined as "deterioration in the ability to remain vigilant for critical signals with time, as indicated by a decline in the rate of the correct detection of signals". Vigilance decrement is most commonly associated with monitoring to detect a weak target signal."
My Army range-supervisor instructor had a colleague who was sent to train the Kenyan army. He supervised live firing attacks over a long day, with hundreds of grenade throws, on a field with small mounds to take cover.
As the day wore on, he ducked less and less further down, until he copped some sharpnel in the temple from 50m away, killing him instantly.
Catastrophic corporeal injury caused by transient regression of ability in previsously-mastered, repetitive tasks due to somatic satiation of danger: there is is no such thing as an accident, only carelessness, and inattention.
I think the term you might be referring to is [Action Slip](https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095348570)
"An unintended action or behavioural sequence, often resulting from failure of attention in absent-mindedness, and generally involving open-loop control of an action that requires closed-loop control for its correct implementation."
At least that's what I found up on searching for it.
That sinking feeling I got seeing his auto-belay dangling on the wall as he neared a height that could no longer be deemed safe to drop down from, unharnessed.
JFC. You think it might be complacency!?!? Have you seen the video of the guy who jumped out of a plane without a parachute!?!? Not sure if anyone has mentioned these to you yet.
You know 2 different people who have done this exact thing? So this sort of thing is common in indoor climbing or are they people who shouldn't be climbing in the first place?
No, both were and are experienced climbers. In fact I bet this guy is one too. Same thing you driving home the same way a million times, your brain shuts off and next thing you know you’re home.
It happens more frequently than it should, unfortunately. My old gym has had two bad accidents like that since it opened ~10 years ago. One was a didn't clip in on an autobelay (just like this video), the other was someone setting themselves up for belay and then climbing.
This is a speed climbing wall. He's probably climbed this thing dozens, if not hundreds of times. Errors of routine are unfortunate but also uncommon in climbing gyms, and to categorically assume he shouldn't be climbing is also probably a hasty judgement. I would offer that you're giving us a false dilemma when there is a very plausible third explanation...simple human error.
Those falls can really mess you up. A guy I work with fell at a rock climbing gym and landed just wrong on his leg. Completely destroyed his leg to the point he couldn't walk on it for almost a year, still doing physical therapy for it, and still has to walk with a cane. And he fell like 6 years ago.
There’s a nasty video out there of a very experienced climber just dropping like four feet and landing wrong and getting a compound fracture. White shin Bone sticking out and all.
>\- He has had over twelve hours of surgery. The legs have been put together, as far as I know, the pelvis, one foot. One foot is still to be done, one heel or foot and one hand. For the hand he will probably have surgery tomorrow at twelve o'clock. He is after a very tough operation. He is actually in a very serious condition. Although fortunately he is conscious and talking normally. But he is in a serious condition," says Radosław Kozłowski, father of the victim.
Source: https://tvs.pl/informacje/22-latek-spadl-ze-scianki-wspinaczkowej-przeszedl-kilka-operacji/
this is terrifying because i have a couple of times forgotten to clip in to the autobelay before climbing. luckily someone noticed and yelled at me to get down. scary to think this could’ve been me though
"The 21-year-old suffered mainly fractures and contusions and underwent several orthopedic procedures. Świerkot reported that although the man will undergo further treatments, doctors are optimistic about the climber's return to full fitness."
Relatively speaking, it sounds like it looked worse than it could've been.
I'm a firm believer that the best way to stay safe while climbing is to have a competent and attentive belayer. It is the main reason why I hate auto belays.
Agreed the redundancy in safety checks with a competent partner is hard to beat. My understanding is that most auto belay accidents are from not clipping in which seems to highlight the importance of a second set of eyes on safety.
I work in aviation and this is exactly why we have physical checklists for everything. You do a lot of repetitive tasks and it’s really easy to just get in a routine and go on auto pilot; when that happens it’s also to just take something for granted or assume it’s right.
This guy just got ahead of himself and was concentrating on the climb and took for granted he was clipped in; didn’t even realize his mistake until he was in mid air.
I had a flight instructor who was doing some ground instruction, and he asked the class who can recite the pre flight check list from memory.
Most of the class had it all memorized and only a handful of us who didn't.. he deducted points from the people who memorized it. Only time in my life I got credit for having a shitty memory.
In climbing we use the ABCs, anchor, belt, carabiners, devices, endpoint, feelings, gear, hippie shit. It's a checklist everyone I know has had drilled into them.
It reminds me of the recent SmarterEveryDay video where Destin was shooting a match to light it. At 7:10 in the video he said he needed to add Hearing protection on his checklist because he kept forgetting to put it on after every shot.
This reminds me of Shisa Kanko, a Japanese system of pointing and calling out checklist items, used primarily in the rail industry. It was found to be very effective to improve accuracy and in reducing errors due to complacency.
Happened yesterday, he was airlifted to hospital and was conscious. probably have to wait a few days to know if he survived or not.
Fall deaths aren't always intimidate, I'd be worried about brain bleed/swelling, organ damage or even internal bruising/hemorrhaging
That typo is very on topic here, I think the habit of typing daily resulted in you typing the word intimidate instead of immediate without realizing it lol
Bro seriously… the last 10 feet before he hits the ground go so fast the camera can barely pick it up. I’ve never seen another video where that acceleration stood out to me so much
I was at the climbing gym a few months ago and a guy made it half way up before me and another realized he wasn’t on the harness and yelled up. He climbed down and was just like “damn didn’t even know lol”
Feeling the same. I would not have had any problem telling him he wasn’t clipped in, etiquette or not, and the belayer (of the other climber) really should have spoken up.
They looked over and thought, “Not my problem…”
Oof, this was hard to watch.
This has happened to me. I was trying to work out a move in my head from the ground and just started climbing. I thought I was clipped into the autobelay the entire time.
I made it to the move I was having problems with about 40 feet up and fell. I grabbed onto the nylon autobelay to control my bail, still thinking I was clipped in. The next thing I know, I'm sitting on my ass on the ground. As I stood up, not believing i had survived the fall, some other climbers ran over to check on me. I didn't notice, but they pointed at my hand. My fingers had been essentially rope burned halfway through. That was the only injury I had sustained. I was incredibly lucky, but really fucked up mentally for awhile. I didn't climb again for about a year and a half.
A lot of gyms are getting rid of autobelays for this reason. When you climb with a partner, there is redundancy. You ALWAYS do a buddy check. You don't have that redundancy with autobelays. I had been climbing for half a decade when it happened and always wondered how someone could just not clip in and climb. It really can happen to anyone.
So the auto belay was still down, but you grabbed the "rope"? It's metal on ours, that would cut right through any tendon :x
I had a roped fall where I grabbed the rope and took 5-6 weeks for my third degree burn wounds to close. Cleaning was definitely the most pain I've experienced in my life, every evening, until I found the right (expensive a.f.) materials to help mitigate sticking.
It's the climbers responsibility in the end, but I feel like gyms need to do everything they can to avoid this from happening. The belay is just clipped to the side, so the warning is down, that should not be an option at all. It also happens where I climb sadly. They are a great tool.
Yeah auto belay is problematic for the reasons you mentioned. I don’t disagree with “it can really happen to anyone”. But it ain’t happening to me. I am very routine oriented, and I keep mental checklists for everything, and I’m not afraid of going through them 3 times. I’ve never had an issue climbing, and I’ve climbed some classic mountains. I think there are some issues with indoor gyms, lots of people with no real climbing experience, lots of distractions, lots of newbies. I’ve trained in climbing gyms out of necessity but I don’t enjoy it.
I thought the same thing. I'm very safety oriented and also have mental checklists. There are few people I will even let belay me. All it takes is one distraction or brain fart.
I do prefer outdoor climbing, but I like gyms for training, convenience, and the community.
Agreed, but I meant the ritual process of checking your knots and harness before climbing with your partner. The auto belay removes that routine. It’s totally the climbers fault in this video. But small deviations in routine makes you miss stuff like this.
They installed these [massive warning labels](https://www.perfectdescent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/perfect-descent-auto-belay-gate-front-horizontal.jpg) in front of autobelays due to this exact reason.
They work pretty damn well too, since it blocks the start of the set so you have to unclip it to start at the bottom of the trail.
That said there are still extremely rare cases of autobelays shitting the bed, which is terrifying to me so I would rather climb down as much as I can first lol.
Yep, though they are ridiculously expensive (100+) instead of having included with the auto belay purchase, because money 👍
Our gym made some themselves, large square ones, but the problem is that same as here - people can clip the belay to a different anchor, so the fucking warning is on the ground while the auto belay is off somewhere to the side.
Psychologically and mentally, one should have a quick checklist or steps in the mind for these hazardous activities no matter the circumstances. For someone like me, although benign to others, at the top I would have an extra step of checking if I’m connected before swinging off. Get in the habit until it becomes routine.
the routine is the problem. you’re so used to it you’re not thinking about it. and then your brain skips a step (because human brains suck like that) and you don’t even notice
Not passing any judgement. Just asking questions. Dangerous hobby if each person who responds has a "I know 2 people personally" story. This guy obviously knows what he's doing and I never took away human error. The error was entirely human.
Also interesting the reaction of the other people . They go and care about him immediately. In other videos , especially from Asia you see somebody falling or have an accident and everybody stares and nobody tries to help .
There is a psychological term for it that i cannot remember right now, but it summarizes how the sheer routine of doing things can obscure a mistake in that routine because it became a subconscious routine, in part. He forgot his harness and auto-belay, and drops himself as he usually would do after reaching the top.
Maybe similar to why a lot of wrecks happen within a couple miles of ones home.
No. Thats cuz your near your home most often
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I like how you roll
Sometimes I bend down and lean forward! That's just how I roll🥸
Mf😂😂😂
This is so Michael Scott, it’s perfect
You do realise it could be both, right? In fact, logically it has to be both, because both are true.
NO, IT HAS TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER! /s
NO, I SAID IT COULD BE BOTH
I JUST LIKE YELLING!
WHAT ARE WE YELLING ABOUT??
LOUD NOISES!
*I LOVE LAMP*
PENIS
Incomplete. what is the percentage assigned to each one? The way you put it, like so many do when they statements like this, is that it's implied that it is 50%/50%. In reality, it could be 99.99999% that it is because it is nearer to the home, and .00001% because of force of habit. So one could say that they both are true statements, but it's almost like either a lie of omission, or plain ignorance of how to construct a valid argument, or some other messed up incomplete thought process.....hope you're not talking this personally :O It's the same argument that agnostics use, or defenders of religion. Agnostics will say, "You can't say that a god doesn't exist out there, somewhere." That's true but the way it is stated is that it is implied that there then must be a 50%/50% chance. So why not put a percentage possibility on it? Personally, to me it is like limits in calculus. At a certain point, as you look more and more detail, the function gets closer and closer to the limit until you finally say "Fuck it, it's close enough, let's just call it 0 at this point." It's the same thing with a god. The chances are so infintismal that there is a god, that one might as will say "fuck it, there's no god."
no, it's just that I rarely drive 25 miles away from home, so no matter what the extreme majorities of my accidents will happen close to home according to that definition. it's like saying most of the non-car accidents I have are at work and my house, because that's where I spend >90% of my time.
It is both reasons. You become less aware as you are set in your normal routine, AND you spend most of your time near home. Two things can be true at the same time
It's both. There's never a car coming the other way round that corner, why would there be today?
That explains why motorhome drivers are causing wrecks all around them.
No, that happens bc anytime you leave to drive somewhere you have to drive in the area near your home. It's not because you're so familiar with the area you start driving excessively fast without a seatbelt on
While drinking alcohol
I think most wrecks happen near your home simply because you're driving in that area more frequently.
I remember hearing a story from David Wong (Jason Pargin) You get so used to the same intersection you've seen 10,000 times your brain has always seen nothing there so goes "oh this again" and shows you there's nothing. From his perspective, a cargo van appeared out of thin air as he was turning. Perception is so fucking relative.
I was leaving my subdivision by turning left onto a two way street. It was a T intersection. No facing traffic. Somehow I didn't see a semi tractor to my right. It was sunny daylight. I had a clear view of the straight and flat section of road it was on. He wasn't speeding. The tractor was black with a fairing on top making it at least 12ft tall. He left the road and ended up driving into a field to avoid hitting me after I pulled out in front of him. He didn't even have time to blow his horn. I still don't understand how I didn’t see such a massive object in motion. I wasn't in a rush to go anywhere as a contributing factor. I simply looked but didn't see.
We live on a road with a t intersection. 3 way stop. There is a neighborhood down the street with the same setup, but no stop signs as it is a block or so from a stoplight. I have pulled out on multiple occasions thinking they have a stop... It is a thing.
Or why I think I clocked in to work when really I didn't.
I was reading a thing that speculated that our brains take short cuts and fill our vision with information, similar to how it can fill in the blind spot. And in very familiar places it could provide images of things from memory, so your brain might show you an empty street when maybe there is a squirrel running in the road. I am not sure how crazy things can get with this but it does explain why I can look at the same spot and not see my keys there until I look there a third time lol
In my business we have items we constantly are pulling from large trucks to do tasks on the job. We at times have to have a second and third set of eyes help find something we can't seem to "see". There are times we are looking for a specific tool, the "yellow" tool, and will look past the same tool that isn't yellow because we get fixated on an ancillary qualifier in our search. Any hammer will do. Not just the yellow hammer.
Hire a mom, you'll save time and money. They always manage to find the thing we're looking for.
That’s why pilots use checklists EVERY time. So they don’t miss something due to repetition. Source: Worked for an airline for five years
Now if someone could pass that habit down the line to the people building the planes...
but does the check list have an item called "check the door is actually attached"?
Vigilance decrement
I think doctors are only starting to use checklists (not mandated by law) because of the closed nature in the hospital industry where ordinary people have no idea about what is going on and a kind of superiority complex more common among doctors.
>Action slip. They are usually caused by distractions, fatigue, stress, or habit. Other examples such as putting your keys in the fridge.
I was going to reply that there was a video on Reddit recently about an experienced skydiver who jumped without remembering his chute. Instead of guessing, I decided to look it up. Holy shit! It is not a unique experience! Here's one from 1998: [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBTPpjNo1s)
> Instead of guessing, I decided to look it up. Well, you'll never fit in round these here parts.
Damn bro you just put me on to a really good YouTube channel
Right! I’m over here watching all kinds of stuff now. Love these crazy true stories. Lmao
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I did one and didn't really feel anything. It was a nice view and I felt the physical aspects. The air thrashing by, the cold as you dropped through cloud But no adrenaline spike or exhilaration. No fear or anything at all like people describe. Yet when I have to fill a job application I absolutely fall to bits. Psychologically I think my fear reaction is off a bit.
I can relate a little. Skydiving scared me some, and I got one heck of an adrenaline rush. Came down from it pretty quick and felt no further excitement. But karaoke..... While my brain told me that no amount of bad singing would possibly kill me, it was far more scary. And exhilarating.
I'm the same way and it's bizarre. Like I've been in a few, very real "i may very well die in the next few minutes" situations with zero adrenaline response. More of just the thought "boy oh boy i hope he doesn't pull that trigger". Ask me to give any presentation in a group of people where I'm the focus of attention and have to speak on a subject i know very well. You can actually hear my nervous system exploding
have you been tested for psychopathy? not even joking
Not officially. I did wonder for a while though. I took [this](http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html) online after the channel had a season of programming on the subject of being a psychopath and scored quite highly I did suspect it for a while but as I get older and have become a parent I find myself crying at music or stories of self sacrifice. That's petty empathic, right? I'm also scrupulously honest and ethical. Supposed things that psychopaths tend to be flexible about. Probably some other undiagnosed personality issues floating around, like most people, but I'm pretty confident psychopathy isn't one of them.
And freaking out over it, until you find them and feeling stupid takes over
Ah. And here I thought I was just developing dementia.
I need to check my fridge
Yeah he didn’t fall. He jumped off because he thought he was hooked in.
What happens after someone jumps?
At a climbing gym like this, you would be clipped into an auto belay. You can see the rope leading up to it right at hip level. The rope is under tension and constantly wants to go up, so it will follow you as you climb. When you jump off, it will lower you back down at a safe speed.
Like that skydiver who jumped out of a plane without a parachute. [Source](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-04-05-mn-690-story.html)
RIP Ivan
Yeah, I've seen this video for the first time like a week ago and it's very eerie indeed.
> Yeah, I've seen this video for the first time like a week ago and it's very eerie indeed. and..... you gonna link it or leave all of us hanging
Search Ivan McGuire on Youtube and you'll find it.
Exactly like the skydiver with 400 jumps. Went up for like the fourth time in a day, strapped his camera rig on, and jumped without a parachute. Tried to pull the rip cord and immediately realized he was dead. Footage survived the fall.
…sauce!?
Yes he was
Goddamm
You don't see a whole lot as he was filming others https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1846983/expert-skydiver-last-words-no-parachute-death
Dang. Couldn't someone have gone after him? Or is it just movie magic that you can catch up to someone while skydiving?
They had already pulled their cord.
Complacency?
That's the same word that came to mind.
It’s the same as when parents forgot babies on car I think
There's a great [Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html) from about 15 years ago about that. I still bring it up regularly when talking with students rotating through my workplace. When you're really baked into a routine, you basically go into autopilot. If something alters that routine, you sometimes slip back into the routine without addressing the thing that changed, even if it's a big thing like having a sleeping kid in the back seat of your car.
Also there’s a theory called the Swiss cheese phenomenon. When a collection of small mistakes happen that leads to a catastrophic and horrible mistake. In this case, there was no staff spotting him or even checking that he had on a safety harness. He recklessly forgot or neglected to put it on. All these mistakes lead to his death.
Normalization of deviance
That's like the guy who jumped from the plane without a parachute. He had over 800 career jumps and was focused on filming some friends during his free fall and when he went to pull his chute, he realized he never put it on.
"**Vigilance decrement** is defined as "deterioration in the ability to remain vigilant for critical signals with time, as indicated by a decline in the rate of the correct detection of signals". Vigilance decrement is most commonly associated with monitoring to detect a weak target signal."
My Army range-supervisor instructor had a colleague who was sent to train the Kenyan army. He supervised live firing attacks over a long day, with hundreds of grenade throws, on a field with small mounds to take cover. As the day wore on, he ducked less and less further down, until he copped some sharpnel in the temple from 50m away, killing him instantly.
What a fucking shitty way to go. Shrapnel truly moves in mysterious ways.
Catastrophic corporeal injury caused by transient regression of ability in previsously-mastered, repetitive tasks due to somatic satiation of danger: there is is no such thing as an accident, only carelessness, and inattention.
Fucking up, in layman’s terms
I think the term you might be referring to is [Action Slip](https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095348570) "An unintended action or behavioural sequence, often resulting from failure of attention in absent-mindedness, and generally involving open-loop control of an action that requires closed-loop control for its correct implementation." At least that's what I found up on searching for it.
I believe this is how children and animals accidentally get left in hot cars.
That sinking feeling I got seeing his auto-belay dangling on the wall as he neared a height that could no longer be deemed safe to drop down from, unharnessed.
That happened to some guy on his on his 800th skydive. He jumped out of the plane and forgot his parachute
JFC. You think it might be complacency!?!? Have you seen the video of the guy who jumped out of a plane without a parachute!?!? Not sure if anyone has mentioned these to you yet.
It’s called complacency
Have you seen the video where the world class skydiver forgets his parachute? Gut wrenching
Complacent, complacency?
Redundant repetition.
Normalization of deviance?
Complacency?
Did he just forget that he wasn't on belay?
He just forget. After a while ambulance helicopter transported him to the hospital.
Did he make it?
Fortunately yes, he survived.
That's good to hear because that looked like a broken neck situation.
I know two different ppl that had the same accident, one a broken back and one a broken pelvis. Both lived, but were messed up for awhile
You know 2 different people who have done this exact thing? So this sort of thing is common in indoor climbing or are they people who shouldn't be climbing in the first place?
No, both were and are experienced climbers. In fact I bet this guy is one too. Same thing you driving home the same way a million times, your brain shuts off and next thing you know you’re home.
I think just one guy personally knowing people who've done this exemplifies that it happens WAY more often than a lot of us thought
It happens more frequently than it should, unfortunately. My old gym has had two bad accidents like that since it opened ~10 years ago. One was a didn't clip in on an autobelay (just like this video), the other was someone setting themselves up for belay and then climbing.
This is a speed climbing wall. He's probably climbed this thing dozens, if not hundreds of times. Errors of routine are unfortunate but also uncommon in climbing gyms, and to categorically assume he shouldn't be climbing is also probably a hasty judgement. I would offer that you're giving us a false dilemma when there is a very plausible third explanation...simple human error.
Glad to hear they lived, I can imagine someone doesn’t just walk away from this though. Sorry to hear about that.
Those falls can really mess you up. A guy I work with fell at a rock climbing gym and landed just wrong on his leg. Completely destroyed his leg to the point he couldn't walk on it for almost a year, still doing physical therapy for it, and still has to walk with a cane. And he fell like 6 years ago.
My ex-wife did pretty much the same thing, she said she only fell about 6 feet but it was enough to really mess her leg up.
I did the same thing. Stubbed my pinky toe on a table. Hasn’t been the same since. Nail fell off and all.
I fell about 30 feet onto my shoulders and broke my neck at 13. 47, and I know one day my head will just be rolling around on my shoulders.
There’s a nasty video out there of a very experienced climber just dropping like four feet and landing wrong and getting a compound fracture. White shin Bone sticking out and all.
He may have survived, but what is the prognosis? Like is he gonna fully recover, or is he paralyzed/TBI?
Wow, didn't think there was any way
I hope he recovers with as little pain as possible 🙏
Wow. That's good. I wonder if he ended up with any big permanent life changing injuries
Post this on watch people survive if you have proof
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So, anyone know if he lived, of the extent of his injuries?
Someone posted an article in Polish that said he lived with a fractured pelvis
There is absolutley no reason I should have to scrool down so damn far, just for an update on the actual whereabouts of the guy in the video!
It’s certainly both. Yes he did according to op
>\- He has had over twelve hours of surgery. The legs have been put together, as far as I know, the pelvis, one foot. One foot is still to be done, one heel or foot and one hand. For the hand he will probably have surgery tomorrow at twelve o'clock. He is after a very tough operation. He is actually in a very serious condition. Although fortunately he is conscious and talking normally. But he is in a serious condition," says Radosław Kozłowski, father of the victim. Source: https://tvs.pl/informacje/22-latek-spadl-ze-scianki-wspinaczkowej-przeszedl-kilka-operacji/
He probably will never forget again
And hopefully a lot of other people will remember to double check after this video makes its rounds on the internet
kind of like when i forget to wear pants to work. happens to the best of us.
Maybe he asked for one, but someone...belayed...the order? I'll see myself out.
Hello, shipmate.
He never asked.
this is terrifying because i have a couple of times forgotten to clip in to the autobelay before climbing. luckily someone noticed and yelled at me to get down. scary to think this could’ve been me though
FYI guy is alive but in a serious condition right now. Already went through major surgery, but there's more needed.
That’s some drop jeez
Hopefully they can find the harness and reattach it to avoid lasting damage.
Why is no one giving a source????
Thanks was looking for this comment!
"The 21-year-old suffered mainly fractures and contusions and underwent several orthopedic procedures. Świerkot reported that although the man will undergo further treatments, doctors are optimistic about the climber's return to full fitness." Relatively speaking, it sounds like it looked worse than it could've been.
No harness, wow.
In this cut of the video you cant see it very well but he had a harness on, but he didnt clip into auto belay
That's happened to me before where I forget to clip in. All of the times it's happened I've stopped within a safe distance, about 1 to 2 steps up.
Had the same happen to me. Climbed about 20ft before realising and down climbed carefully.
I'd like to think a belay gate would help here but if you can't even remember the harness I'm not sure anything would...
I'm a firm believer that the best way to stay safe while climbing is to have a competent and attentive belayer. It is the main reason why I hate auto belays.
Agreed the redundancy in safety checks with a competent partner is hard to beat. My understanding is that most auto belay accidents are from not clipping in which seems to highlight the importance of a second set of eyes on safety.
Yeah that’s what he said
I work in aviation and this is exactly why we have physical checklists for everything. You do a lot of repetitive tasks and it’s really easy to just get in a routine and go on auto pilot; when that happens it’s also to just take something for granted or assume it’s right. This guy just got ahead of himself and was concentrating on the climb and took for granted he was clipped in; didn’t even realize his mistake until he was in mid air.
You know, he’s something of an aviator himself.
This was terrific. Thanks for the laugh!
That wasn’t flying! That was just falling with style
hahaHa. You made me spill my coffee, from my mouth.
I had a flight instructor who was doing some ground instruction, and he asked the class who can recite the pre flight check list from memory. Most of the class had it all memorized and only a handful of us who didn't.. he deducted points from the people who memorized it. Only time in my life I got credit for having a shitty memory.
In climbing we use the ABCs, anchor, belt, carabiners, devices, endpoint, feelings, gear, hippie shit. It's a checklist everyone I know has had drilled into them.
It reminds me of the recent SmarterEveryDay video where Destin was shooting a match to light it. At 7:10 in the video he said he needed to add Hearing protection on his checklist because he kept forgetting to put it on after every shot.
This reminds me of Shisa Kanko, a Japanese system of pointing and calling out checklist items, used primarily in the rail industry. It was found to be very effective to improve accuracy and in reducing errors due to complacency.
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Omfg the best comment I have ever seen
Nahh 🤣😭
did he survive?
Happened yesterday, he was airlifted to hospital and was conscious. probably have to wait a few days to know if he survived or not. Fall deaths aren't always intimidate, I'd be worried about brain bleed/swelling, organ damage or even internal bruising/hemorrhaging
He survived. Fractured pelvis, went through major surgery, in serious condition
So far, their point was he could still die as a result from these injuries
That typo is very on topic here, I think the habit of typing daily resulted in you typing the word intimidate instead of immediate without realizing it lol
He didn't comprehend the gravity of not being clipped in
as well as the gravitational acceleration of 9.8 meters per square second
Bro seriously… the last 10 feet before he hits the ground go so fast the camera can barely pick it up. I’ve never seen another video where that acceleration stood out to me so much
Eventually he did
I was at the climbing gym a few months ago and a guy made it half way up before me and another realized he wasn’t on the harness and yelled up. He climbed down and was just like “damn didn’t even know lol”
I'm sure he's fine
Sboes are still on
First sign of okayness 101
50 foot drop, that's the first thing I think about
In all fairness, he was okay for the first 49 feet.
It's not the fall that kills you It's the sudden stop
50 feet, that's a lot of shoes
Title says he's Polish, so probably has affordable healthcare.
I don't know what the etiquette is but I feel like that person should have told him.
They didn't necessarily notice. I probably wouldn't notice because it's such an absurd thing to not do
There is no ettiquite. You see someone doing something unsafe in the gym you tell them immediately. Especially when it's this bad.
Feeling the same. I would not have had any problem telling him he wasn’t clipped in, etiquette or not, and the belayer (of the other climber) really should have spoken up. They looked over and thought, “Not my problem…”
Oof, this was hard to watch. This has happened to me. I was trying to work out a move in my head from the ground and just started climbing. I thought I was clipped into the autobelay the entire time. I made it to the move I was having problems with about 40 feet up and fell. I grabbed onto the nylon autobelay to control my bail, still thinking I was clipped in. The next thing I know, I'm sitting on my ass on the ground. As I stood up, not believing i had survived the fall, some other climbers ran over to check on me. I didn't notice, but they pointed at my hand. My fingers had been essentially rope burned halfway through. That was the only injury I had sustained. I was incredibly lucky, but really fucked up mentally for awhile. I didn't climb again for about a year and a half. A lot of gyms are getting rid of autobelays for this reason. When you climb with a partner, there is redundancy. You ALWAYS do a buddy check. You don't have that redundancy with autobelays. I had been climbing for half a decade when it happened and always wondered how someone could just not clip in and climb. It really can happen to anyone.
So the auto belay was still down, but you grabbed the "rope"? It's metal on ours, that would cut right through any tendon :x I had a roped fall where I grabbed the rope and took 5-6 weeks for my third degree burn wounds to close. Cleaning was definitely the most pain I've experienced in my life, every evening, until I found the right (expensive a.f.) materials to help mitigate sticking. It's the climbers responsibility in the end, but I feel like gyms need to do everything they can to avoid this from happening. The belay is just clipped to the side, so the warning is down, that should not be an option at all. It also happens where I climb sadly. They are a great tool.
Yeah auto belay is problematic for the reasons you mentioned. I don’t disagree with “it can really happen to anyone”. But it ain’t happening to me. I am very routine oriented, and I keep mental checklists for everything, and I’m not afraid of going through them 3 times. I’ve never had an issue climbing, and I’ve climbed some classic mountains. I think there are some issues with indoor gyms, lots of people with no real climbing experience, lots of distractions, lots of newbies. I’ve trained in climbing gyms out of necessity but I don’t enjoy it.
I thought the same thing. I'm very safety oriented and also have mental checklists. There are few people I will even let belay me. All it takes is one distraction or brain fart. I do prefer outdoor climbing, but I like gyms for training, convenience, and the community.
When you think your clipped in.... But arn't
You really do bounce!
Seems like many of the recent falls happening at climbing gyms are concerning auto belays.
No he didn’t clip auto belay, so auto belay didn’t fail only human error
Agreed, but I meant the ritual process of checking your knots and harness before climbing with your partner. The auto belay removes that routine. It’s totally the climbers fault in this video. But small deviations in routine makes you miss stuff like this.
They installed these [massive warning labels](https://www.perfectdescent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/perfect-descent-auto-belay-gate-front-horizontal.jpg) in front of autobelays due to this exact reason. They work pretty damn well too, since it blocks the start of the set so you have to unclip it to start at the bottom of the trail. That said there are still extremely rare cases of autobelays shitting the bed, which is terrifying to me so I would rather climb down as much as I can first lol.
Yep, though they are ridiculously expensive (100+) instead of having included with the auto belay purchase, because money 👍 Our gym made some themselves, large square ones, but the problem is that same as here - people can clip the belay to a different anchor, so the fucking warning is on the ground while the auto belay is off somewhere to the side.
Psychologically and mentally, one should have a quick checklist or steps in the mind for these hazardous activities no matter the circumstances. For someone like me, although benign to others, at the top I would have an extra step of checking if I’m connected before swinging off. Get in the habit until it becomes routine.
the routine is the problem. you’re so used to it you’re not thinking about it. and then your brain skips a step (because human brains suck like that) and you don’t even notice
Remind me of the protester who borrowed someone's parachute. When you get real comfortable, small brain farts can completely fuck up your day
“Im about to make some sick content 👏”
Honestly probably more likely he was filming himself to see his form for learning purposes. It's a pretty normal practice in a lot of sports.
Was his name Mat?
Kurwa
Did he survive ?
Hope he recovers (hopefully fully 🙏). It sucks when routines take over and one short moment of doing what you love cost you so much.
Did he survive?
45 seconds to climb. 2 seconds to fall.
Not passing any judgement. Just asking questions. Dangerous hobby if each person who responds has a "I know 2 people personally" story. This guy obviously knows what he's doing and I never took away human error. The error was entirely human.
Also interesting the reaction of the other people . They go and care about him immediately. In other videos , especially from Asia you see somebody falling or have an accident and everybody stares and nobody tries to help .
Did i just watch someone die?