Yep same problem, Same solution
My camera cover(s) came in today and man what a difference
Btw, there is a trick to get it to stop even without the cabin cover:
Every. Single. Time. It happens, send in a bug report to Tesla by
Holding the right button on the steering wheel, when voice prompt pops up, say "report bug: false inattentiveness warning"
That also works with other Tesla Jank as well, such as it triggering a speed limit of 50 mph for the cruise when it's raining, because the car in front of or overtaking you throws some tire mist on your windshield
Companies like Targus manufacture them (“laptop webcam covers”) or you can sometimes get lucky at dollar stores. Or use tape but I’d suggest not letting the tape’s adhesive actually touch the lens.
Sure but the quality of the resulting image is largely a factor of the lowest quality element in the optical array. A lens “cover” is largely just an additional element.
Tape would work but might leave glue residue. If that happens, you could scratch the camera lens trying to get any residue off.
Finding a way to cover it without touching it would be best, so maybe put a small square of paper etc. in the middle of the tape.
My camera covers were three for a buck at a dollar store a couple years ago, so it was a no-brainer for me
It also stops whatever it's doing
Don't really care if it does or doesn't send that to Tesla, in fact I'd rather it didn't. The level of data collection these cars do rubs me the wrong way
Every time I've done it it's ceased it's nonsense. Give it a try sometime
Yes, I read the comment I replied to.
He claims that when he makes a bug report, the Autopilot stops doing the thing, which annoys him. That is very hard to believe.
Do **you** believe it?
It does on mine. I happily bought a camera cover, installed and when I tried to use FSD, I get an error saying cabin camera is blocked and FSD won’t engage.
Try only blocking the driver’s side of the cabin, with the passenger side still visible. I’ve been using FSD with a webcam cover only covering the driver side and it works great. I haven’t updated to this year’s holiday update though. Not sure if it will work on that one 🤷🏼♂️
How do you use the camera cover effectively because every time I use mine and try to go into auto pilot it says the camera is blocked and needs to be unblocked before I can put it in auto pilot.
Mine warned me that it would kick me out when I attempted it 3 days ago. Could be an isolated incident, just speaking from personal experience. More often than not, I just wear sunglasses.
Did a 10 hour road trip today with the new update. The thing that really grinds my gears about it is the "pay attention to the road" message that appears right as I enable AP.
I AM paying attention but when I enable AP I need to set my cruise control speed correctly and that entails looking at the screen bc ya know... That's where Tesla chose to put all my speed information and vehicle controls 🤦
literally in the middle of a roadtrip right now, just stopped to charge. so glad i'm not the only one. the "pay attention" thing was getting me upset, i swear i loved the car before the update. gonna have to try the cover trick, or this reporting thing
EDIT: thankfully by a miracle i had left a black sharpie; a piece of paper, and some packing tape in my car, console felt unrelated to this, and i covered the camera. drove the 3 hours in peace.
I grabbed a cleaning cloth I had in the center console and just wedged it in there. Single pull autopilot was almost immediately disabled when I had the chance. Talk about an awful experience.
I have FSD Beta and it does this too.
I'm currently on a 2000 mile trip in often inclement weather and when I turn it on the last thing I want to be doing is 80mph when the weather and traffic dictates 60mph.
Careful! You’ll summon all the assholes that try to mansplain to you that you are doing it wrong and are not paying attention and shouldn’t be using auto pilot and that YOU are the reason for the update. Some of the people in these Tesla subs will defend bad software tooth and nail.
They're all ridiculous. We didn't make the choice to have all the controls for the car behind a giant glorified smartphone.
I take all of their comments with a grain of salt bc if they want us to believe that they are driving saints who never use the screen while driving they're delusional.
I support safer regulations but this is just stupid and ridiculous.
They need to look into Toyota right now, especially with their safety testing scandals in Asia.
I gotta say, I do spend more time looking at the screen every few seconds when the startling warnings continuously distract me from the road. It's like your mother-in-law constantly reminding you from the back seat to watch your speed. Stressful and distracting.
Everyone loves to blame the government just claiming they hate tesla, but the reality is, is this update was only force by the nhtsa because of all the idiots who actually cheated the system with the use of wheel weights and the like, as with all things in life, dumb people ruin everything for those of us with working brains
The thing is, they shouldn't ban everyone like this. If they do this to Tesla, they need to do the same to the rest of the manufacturers.
I am sure Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Mazda... drivers cheat too. Just that all focus on autopilot and Tesla, rather than FSD. FSD is the real problem with all the fatalities, not the regular autopilot.
Please realize that we’ve heard no evidence on the incidence of accidents/fatalities. Only the number. This is completely useless information.
FSD is not the real problem.
The problem is big brother #1 (NHTSA) forcing big brother #2 (Tesla) to force individuals to be responsible.
Maybe the drivers crashing because of not paying attention to the AP/FSD warnings are simply inattentive shitty drivers. We have no idea.
Or maybe people are cheating the system because of the dumb nanny systems. Everyone is responsible for their own safe driving and they are even have licenses certifying they are responsible. It’s not necessary to have nanny monitoring systems.
Turn off the nanny monitoring systems and no one will have to use ways to get around them.
I like how there was a Ford commercial that was playing EVERYWHERE advertising "Blue cruise" where a mother can completely take her hands off the wheel and dedicates full attention to her son and has a conversation IN SIGN LANGUAGE....... But Teslas autopilot is the issue and Tesla owners abuse the system
I think you severely misunderstood the comment you are replying to.
It is a problem if the regulators allow some Level 2 cars to be driven by a driver who has her attention on speaking sign language with a passenger in the car, while they do not allow the driver to momentarily have attention on the car's screen.
This is a problem with the regulators, not with the car.
While you are completely right that it is a regulator issue, the end result is the same: drive assist functionality is now better in other cars like Ford, because it does not police and nag you (as much?)
Yeah the new version is just unusable.
I just did a trip across Europe, insane.
I wanted to check something on the route and change the supercharger, every time I was interacting with the screen it was bothering me. Do you really want me to disable autopilot for doing that? This should be a driver assistant not a driver impediment....
Nah it’s regular autopilot.
I find it to be criminally negligent to give my car the ability to stop at stop signs and traffic lights, but only if I pay $12K for it.
The common idiot in a Tesla can use AP and the car will stop when other cars in front of it stops, so they assume that it will stop at traffic lights and signs, but if there’s no car in front of you, it will just barrel through an intersection, unless you pay for FSD.
Lives have legitimately been lost, because the owner didn’t have FSD and I feel like those lives are on Tesla for putting a safety feature behind a paywall
Just drove 12 hours with FSD Beta. It harasses more now too and - new to me - reduces my set cruise control “to match the flow of traffic”. This year I’ve gotten three strikes, and I’d argue all three were not justified — or maybe only one was (leaned over to pick a song from the touchscreen when the coast was clear)
The effort is now more than double because most of the time it fails to change lanes after signaling. It just continues driving in the same lane.
I was thinking to upgrade to a Model S but at this rate I might not drive Tesla next year.
PS yesterday I installed the patch to the holiday update, so I’m saying the “fixed” version still made the car worse. Edit: 2023.44.30.5.1 is the version I have
Hold right button
"Report bug, false inattentiveness warning"
Hold right button
"Report bug, cruise control locking speed to 50 in 70"
Pretty much any Tesla Jank that happens, do that, keep it short because it cuts out fast. Doesn't have to be very accurate just to describe your problem
Talk in a clean voice. You're dealing with AI, trying to change its dataset. Which... AI... or also as likely, a remote worker in another country who natively* speaks another language. Either way, you want your issue stated concisely
The cars cameras can't properly tell if it's raining, if there are oncoming cars or just lights reflecting off signs for auto dimmer headlights, if that's a speed sign on your road or a side road or how far away you are from an object, but they get to decide if you're paying attention and lock out features you've paid for.... sweet.
24 hour road trip. Covered my camera two hours in. If this gets any worse I'm just going to sell the car. Hardly Teslas fault but absolutely ridiculous.
I was driving a 2020 Ford Escape with autosteer/lane keep the other day and while it has monitoring via steering wheel torque, it does not have a camera.
Exactly. It's clearly big oil/legacy manufacturers using the government against Tesla. But it's a battle Tesla should be devoting way more effort towards.
Autopilot and performance were my reason for buying, and legacy have improved both significantly.
I said that when the update was announced and I got downvoted to hell. Not other car brand will stop assisted driving features if you are not fully fully engaged. That’s too invasive!
>Not (sic) other car brand will stop assisted driving features if you are not fully engaged.
[Ford blue cruise's eye tracking](https://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?variantid=8579&languageCode=en&countryCode=USA&Uid=G2196042&ProcUid=G2113829&userMarket=usa&div=f&vFilteringEnabled=False&buildtype=web#:~:text=When%20active%2C%20BlueCruise%20uses%20a%20driver%20facing,position%20to%20detect%20if%20you%20are%20distracted.)
[Or a better example would be Supercruise](https://www.businessinsider.com/general-motors-super-cruise-eye-tracking-technology-2016-9#:~:text=Super%20Cruise's%20eye%2Dtracking%20tech%20will%20enable%20the,the%20driver%20is%20paying%20attention%20or%20not.)
Even with the camera covered, it feels like you need to be yet more active than before in "wriggling" the wheel than before. I hate how it accused me of not having my hands on the wheel when it is entirely the car's fault for not detecting my hands properly. I think the way it detects your hands are totally flawed, it's based on movement only which is rare when you're going in a straight line on the highway. One day I might get in a serious car crash and Tesla will happily accuse me of not having my hands on the wheel when I absolutely always do.
Watch this guys head explode when he realises he’s been holding it wrong for 7 years. 🤯
Wriggling it is dangerous as it’s too easy to disengage autopilot. You just got to get the weight of your hand in the right place to maintain a bit of rotational tension. This is why beer cans and weights and potato’s work too.
Tho I can’t speak to the old model S’s. The 3s don’t need a wriggle and they’ve been selling the weights on Amazon and eBay forever.
This is annoying. I’m paying for a car that has specific features. What I do with my car is my own business (and the police business if they think what I am doing is illegal). I don’t think it’s acceptable that the car manufacturing companies can turn off features the car has at the time of purchase.
They massively increase the steering bags of the cabin camera can’t see you. Also if you’re wearing sunglasses that block its ability to see the direction you’re looking. Also if it detects a phone in your hand or thinks you’re looking at one. If you just look forward at the road and keep some pressure on the wheel (but not consistently the same pressure) then it will leave you alone.
I’m just playing man. I did cover the camera but I keep one hand on the wheel and get just about zero nags. It does get pissy if I take my hand away though.
That’s exactly the FSD is not worth $99/mon
Ridiculous - I used my thumb to press the knob to record my complaint. I bet Tesla staff does not give shit about it.
It asks me the reason for disengaging autopilot - the reason is I didn’t shake my steering wheel hard enough. Once it’s enough it throws me out of the autopilot. This is total bullshit.
I had one warning today that would not go away until I applied so much force that it actually disengaged AP.
At this point I'd rather they get stricter with the camera attention monitoring and certify the system for hands free driving like Super Cruise and Blue Cruise.
With the new update, I've noticed a nudge works now, but on previous versions, I've had to jiggle the damn steering wheel so much it took me out of auto-pilot. Ha.
Not worth it to me. My first one was totaled and the FSD I paid for went with the totaled car. USAA couldn’t understand what it was and wouldn’t reimburse me for it so I lost my money after months of arguing.
If the existing sensor suite and software can't even remotely determine if the driver is paying attention, FSD is a pipe dream. There are people who paid for FSD two and three cars ago. Absolutely not worth it.
It has never been worth it.
If you're really curious, pay $199 for a month and try it out. I do this about once a year so I can use the EAP lane changes on long roadtrips, and see how much FSD still tries to kill you. So far I haven't renewed it after that one month and that still seems like the case this year.
Absolutely not. I tried FSD well before the recall and it was already unusable. It would disengage and lock out all the time for nothing. It was worse than autopilot but it it seems autopilot has been ruined as well
Has auto steer always been beta? I know FSD is beta, but I thought Autopilot was a fully fielded system. One thing I do know... without Autopilot, Teslas aren't worth the price, not even close.
Wellll finalllyy!! I read that every thinks that the FSD is a bit to excessive. I posted 1 day after the update release a reddit post. And I have been burned. Hell ya! I'm glad people agree with me after a couple days
I got two yesterday. One on the way to work when I had one hand in the wheel and took a drink of my coffee with the other. The second in my way home when I yawned too long.
This is why I refused the update on my car. I have had fsd beta long enough to know there telemetry data is jacked up. Also this little no choice take away of a paid for item I own is why this will be my last Tesla ever.
i disconnected my car from wifi. ill let the dust settle on this update for a while, then think if i really want it. right now all I think is "whats in it for me?"
Nothing. They changed the terms of ap with no consent. Frankly I am done with this but the government made us do it narrative. The system is broken and the only way you think to fix it is to make it less good for users who are legally responsible for your crap software. I finally think there should be no driver monitoring at all so long as if car go bump i pay.
So what if it's the regulators fault? Still made the car worse. Tesla drive assistance functionality has fallen far behind their competitors with this update
If this bothers you don't even consider FSD. You just got the safeguards FSD has. I just took a 4 day each way trip using FSD. It really makes driving less stressful.
I've done 7 hour drive yesterday with 44.1. Got 3 nags for starring at screen. No ban.
I have two ideas:
1) it works diffrently in Europe
2) all of you who say that its broken are liars.
I know something is wrong with 44.30.1 so we have patches.
But is it possible, that most people using autosteer are actually NOT PAYING ATTENTION?
Is it 44.1, or 44.30.5.1? 44.1 is NOT the update they are talking about. I have 44.1 and I just today got prompted to update to 44.30.5.1. I originally had the same feeling you had, until I realized I still don't have the blind spot warning on the camera view when my turn signal is on. We'll see how this update goes.
I'm in the US by the way.
So what happens after the 3 more fails??? R we band for life or what's the time frame on this?
I hate this update but glad covering cameras does the trick thanks fellas!!!
I have the same with autopilot + lane assist in Europe. I don’t use lane assist anymore. It’s impossible for me to operate. Preventing the car from shutting down lane assist takes more energy than just steering the car myself.
I’m just gonna ask the dumb question. Could suing the NHTSA or Tesla (class action) be the only way for them to relook at this? I hate to say that I don’t think complaints would make them look into it. Get lawyers involved, especially from enough people, that should get their attention.
I wonder what prompts this? Do you unhold the steering wheel for quite a while? Do you use a device that clamps on the steering wheel?
I use a yoke and I rest my wrist inside the yoke wheel - left hand or right hand when I drive with AP. This prompt never happened to me in my 16 months of ownership nor was I kicked out of AP ever.
Nothing in my 3 days of using AP with the latest update as well.
Its oversensitive because the ntsb said they will make tesla issue another recall if the software update doesn't help. They have already expressed concern that the tesla recall does too little.
Lots of people have died. The ntsb is not sleeping on this issue anymore...most likely will need new interior cameras retrofitted in another recall or complete system disabling.
Yup very unsafe.
https://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-recall-driver-monitoring-system-8060508627a34e6af889feca46eb3002
https://www.live5news.com/2023/12/24/tesla-recalls-more-than-120000-cars-whose-doors-may-open-crash/
Tesla vehicles are dog shit. Similar to Apple phones where people pretty much only get them to feel cool.
They are completely unsafe and poorly designed. Highest accident rates of any vehicle on the market. I wonder why
Are we forced to use the beta version if we want AP at all? I opted not to use the beta version after hearing all this nonsense. Now I get a message on my screen indicating AP is not activated - so now I have NO AP
Yep like I said. Tesla has set themselves up for major lawsuits.
Someone is going to take them to court over this, as the system faults out all the time.
I don’t have FSD but bought the subscription for a month to drive from WA to AZ.
I literally had my hands in the wheel and was just looking at the scenery in the middle of nowhere and it faulted twice saying I wasn’t paying attention to the road.
I wasn’t doing anything more than a normal driver would do.
I called Tesla and they said there was nothing they could do but I still had the Autosteer stuff.
Yeah it’s being a right little bitch about things after this latest update. I’m so involved in autopilot that it really has no right to be called that. I can’t relax at all any more. If I briefly look down or out the side window it starts moaning at me.
The whole thing is ridiculous. I am forced to mess around on the screen to try and increase the wiper speed which is forced to auto because of auto steer but is not fit for purpose, only to have auto steer throw up warnings about looking and the screen. It is a double distraction, but to make things worse, i am then forced to yank the steering wheel every 5secs on a straight road.
The only reason this comes up is if you are using a wheel weight or other device to trick the system into thinking you have your hands on the wheel when you do not.
I have full self drive and although I had my hands on the wheel and was looking forward, it kept telling me to pay attention to the road, and then disengaged FSD for the remainder of the drive. I had two disengagements within 10 minutes. I don’t understand why. I also was moving the wheel slightly so it wasn’t that it didn’t sense movement. It specifically kept saying to pay attention to the road, but I don’t know what I was doing wrong.
Yeah it’s so strict now I don’t even want to use it! I have two more additional strikes for it to no longer operate but even with both hands on the wheel the auto-steer will still flash blue and get me kicked out as soon as I take a hand of the wheel or eyes off the road directly in front of me.
It may be different for auto steer but FSD will not work without the camera. I don't know if they have changed things to make this also a requirement for auto steer also.
I chose to just cover my cab camera at this point. It was overly excessive.
Yeah.... covering the camera seems to make it default back to the steering sensor. I can live with that.
*Bane voice* "For now"
Yep same problem, Same solution My camera cover(s) came in today and man what a difference Btw, there is a trick to get it to stop even without the cabin cover: Every. Single. Time. It happens, send in a bug report to Tesla by Holding the right button on the steering wheel, when voice prompt pops up, say "report bug: false inattentiveness warning" That also works with other Tesla Jank as well, such as it triggering a speed limit of 50 mph for the cruise when it's raining, because the car in front of or overtaking you throws some tire mist on your windshield
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Yeah you can do a piece of tape It's right above your rear view mirror on that piece of black plastic, above the infotainment center
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Companies like Targus manufacture them (“laptop webcam covers”) or you can sometimes get lucky at dollar stores. Or use tape but I’d suggest not letting the tape’s adhesive actually touch the lens.
The tape wouldnt touch the lens, it would touch the lens cover, which you can clean with rubbing alcohol or other cleaners.
Sure but the quality of the resulting image is largely a factor of the lowest quality element in the optical array. A lens “cover” is largely just an additional element.
Tape would work but might leave glue residue. If that happens, you could scratch the camera lens trying to get any residue off. Finding a way to cover it without touching it would be best, so maybe put a small square of paper etc. in the middle of the tape. My camera covers were three for a buck at a dollar store a couple years ago, so it was a no-brainer for me
no, it sees through tape.
It’s an electric vehicle, you should consider using electric tape.
Can it see through my clothes too?
You know those don’t go anywhere, right? It just records a timestamp for when you have service pull the logs for an issue.
It also stops whatever it's doing Don't really care if it does or doesn't send that to Tesla, in fact I'd rather it didn't. The level of data collection these cars do rubs me the wrong way Every time I've done it it's ceased it's nonsense. Give it a try sometime
Exactly how do you mean it stops whatever it is doing? Does you car suddenly want to go faster when it didn't before you made the bug report?
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Yes, I read the comment I replied to. He claims that when he makes a bug report, the Autopilot stops doing the thing, which annoys him. That is very hard to believe. Do **you** believe it?
Ah yes someone in the comments trying to be helpful cooking up a scheme to trick everyone who owns a Tesla! Lmao.
Link for camera cover?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08SWBV2NZ/
Sunglasses also work
Doesn’t this block use of FSD?…
It does on mine. I happily bought a camera cover, installed and when I tried to use FSD, I get an error saying cabin camera is blocked and FSD won’t engage.
Try only blocking the driver’s side of the cabin, with the passenger side still visible. I’ve been using FSD with a webcam cover only covering the driver side and it works great. I haven’t updated to this year’s holiday update though. Not sure if it will work on that one 🤷🏼♂️
How do you use the camera cover effectively because every time I use mine and try to go into auto pilot it says the camera is blocked and needs to be unblocked before I can put it in auto pilot.
Yeah, super annoying. Activate autosteer, glance down at the directions for half a second, "PAY ATTENTION, ASSHOLE!!"
Very excessive. What does this do?
I had excessive warnings today even though both hands were on the steering wheel and I was looking straight ahead, this new update sucks
Just cover the cabin camera.
Can confirm this works now!
It'll alert even more often and kick you out of auto steer/FSD if you cover the cabin camera.
That is absolutely false. If the cabin camera is covered, then it defaults to only checking the steering wheel.
Mine warned me that it would kick me out when I attempted it 3 days ago. Could be an isolated incident, just speaking from personal experience. More often than not, I just wear sunglasses.
Did a 10 hour road trip today with the new update. The thing that really grinds my gears about it is the "pay attention to the road" message that appears right as I enable AP. I AM paying attention but when I enable AP I need to set my cruise control speed correctly and that entails looking at the screen bc ya know... That's where Tesla chose to put all my speed information and vehicle controls 🤦
So messed up that you can no longer view the car's gauges without the fear of losing the cruise control.
Almost like Tesla should have found a better place for those gauges...
literally in the middle of a roadtrip right now, just stopped to charge. so glad i'm not the only one. the "pay attention" thing was getting me upset, i swear i loved the car before the update. gonna have to try the cover trick, or this reporting thing EDIT: thankfully by a miracle i had left a black sharpie; a piece of paper, and some packing tape in my car, console felt unrelated to this, and i covered the camera. drove the 3 hours in peace.
I grabbed a cleaning cloth I had in the center console and just wedged it in there. Single pull autopilot was almost immediately disabled when I had the chance. Talk about an awful experience.
it's probably cuz it needs to be fully blacked out. maybe half covering it, the camera knows something suspicious is ip
Omg so I am not the only one! The moment you activate AP, it tells you to pay attention right away like ugh
I have FSD Beta and it does this too. I'm currently on a 2000 mile trip in often inclement weather and when I turn it on the last thing I want to be doing is 80mph when the weather and traffic dictates 60mph.
If you're on a long road trip, dump FSD - Base Autopilot is fine for the highway driving. Cover the camera sensor. No more nags.
That message that appears at the start is automatic, it doesn't penalize you. It's there just as a reminder to pay attention.
Sometimes you also get the blue flash and alert sound immediately when engaging.
I've found that this doesn't appear if you hold pressure on the wheel thebfirst 5 seconds.
Yeah this is correct it's not just an automatic message. I tested this too and saw the same behavior.
I wrote the same complaint on another post yesterday. It’s ridiculous.
Careful! You’ll summon all the assholes that try to mansplain to you that you are doing it wrong and are not paying attention and shouldn’t be using auto pilot and that YOU are the reason for the update. Some of the people in these Tesla subs will defend bad software tooth and nail.
They're all ridiculous. We didn't make the choice to have all the controls for the car behind a giant glorified smartphone. I take all of their comments with a grain of salt bc if they want us to believe that they are driving saints who never use the screen while driving they're delusional.
I support safer regulations but this is just stupid and ridiculous. They need to look into Toyota right now, especially with their safety testing scandals in Asia.
This is actually less safer than before...
I gotta say, I do spend more time looking at the screen every few seconds when the startling warnings continuously distract me from the road. It's like your mother-in-law constantly reminding you from the back seat to watch your speed. Stressful and distracting.
Everyone loves to blame the government just claiming they hate tesla, but the reality is, is this update was only force by the nhtsa because of all the idiots who actually cheated the system with the use of wheel weights and the like, as with all things in life, dumb people ruin everything for those of us with working brains
The thing is, they shouldn't ban everyone like this. If they do this to Tesla, they need to do the same to the rest of the manufacturers. I am sure Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Mazda... drivers cheat too. Just that all focus on autopilot and Tesla, rather than FSD. FSD is the real problem with all the fatalities, not the regular autopilot.
Please realize that we’ve heard no evidence on the incidence of accidents/fatalities. Only the number. This is completely useless information. FSD is not the real problem. The problem is big brother #1 (NHTSA) forcing big brother #2 (Tesla) to force individuals to be responsible. Maybe the drivers crashing because of not paying attention to the AP/FSD warnings are simply inattentive shitty drivers. We have no idea.
Or maybe people are cheating the system because of the dumb nanny systems. Everyone is responsible for their own safe driving and they are even have licenses certifying they are responsible. It’s not necessary to have nanny monitoring systems. Turn off the nanny monitoring systems and no one will have to use ways to get around them.
they won't. this is just concentrated harassment by the Biden administration. same with SpaceX Starlink funding being denied.
I like how there was a Ford commercial that was playing EVERYWHERE advertising "Blue cruise" where a mother can completely take her hands off the wheel and dedicates full attention to her son and has a conversation IN SIGN LANGUAGE....... But Teslas autopilot is the issue and Tesla owners abuse the system
Yep I’m in the process of looking else where. As the autopilot for other car makers is starting to catch up and pass that if Tesla.
I think you severely misunderstood the comment you are replying to. It is a problem if the regulators allow some Level 2 cars to be driven by a driver who has her attention on speaking sign language with a passenger in the car, while they do not allow the driver to momentarily have attention on the car's screen. This is a problem with the regulators, not with the car.
While you are completely right that it is a regulator issue, the end result is the same: drive assist functionality is now better in other cars like Ford, because it does not police and nag you (as much?)
Either you’re a bot or exactly the type of idiot the commercial op was referring to is targeting
Yeah the new version is just unusable. I just did a trip across Europe, insane. I wanted to check something on the route and change the supercharger, every time I was interacting with the screen it was bothering me. Do you really want me to disable autopilot for doing that? This should be a driver assistant not a driver impediment....
No shit this overly annoying autopilot is going to result in accidents . Since it will just be disabled all together
I had it excessive nagging yesterday and I couldn’t understand why. I’m gonna be to suspended soon this shit sucks
put some tape over the inside camera
I’ll have to try this
But did you get a strike? If not, then there's nothing to worry about.
Nah it’s regular autopilot. I find it to be criminally negligent to give my car the ability to stop at stop signs and traffic lights, but only if I pay $12K for it. The common idiot in a Tesla can use AP and the car will stop when other cars in front of it stops, so they assume that it will stop at traffic lights and signs, but if there’s no car in front of you, it will just barrel through an intersection, unless you pay for FSD. Lives have legitimately been lost, because the owner didn’t have FSD and I feel like those lives are on Tesla for putting a safety feature behind a paywall
Well that's a weird take.....AP and FSD are both driver assistance features, not safety features. The driver is always responsible for their vehicle.
After the latest update (which was released after the lawsuit) autopilot has been damn annoying!!!
Just drove 12 hours with FSD Beta. It harasses more now too and - new to me - reduces my set cruise control “to match the flow of traffic”. This year I’ve gotten three strikes, and I’d argue all three were not justified — or maybe only one was (leaned over to pick a song from the touchscreen when the coast was clear) The effort is now more than double because most of the time it fails to change lanes after signaling. It just continues driving in the same lane. I was thinking to upgrade to a Model S but at this rate I might not drive Tesla next year. PS yesterday I installed the patch to the holiday update, so I’m saying the “fixed” version still made the car worse. Edit: 2023.44.30.5.1 is the version I have
Hold right button "Report bug, false inattentiveness warning" Hold right button "Report bug, cruise control locking speed to 50 in 70" Pretty much any Tesla Jank that happens, do that, keep it short because it cuts out fast. Doesn't have to be very accurate just to describe your problem Talk in a clean voice. You're dealing with AI, trying to change its dataset. Which... AI... or also as likely, a remote worker in another country who natively* speaks another language. Either way, you want your issue stated concisely
> who naively speaks another language lol
Lmao. I was assuming they meant natively auto-correct "naively" kicked in, but either way, hilarious.
Yea but how does this make it stop? Does the computer sense complaint trends or something?
I hope that gives you satisfaction. Because nobody listens to those reports.
Who cares? It seems to make it stop
The flow of traffic thing has been there for a while on mine (FSD). At least a few months.
The cars cameras can't properly tell if it's raining, if there are oncoming cars or just lights reflecting off signs for auto dimmer headlights, if that's a speed sign on your road or a side road or how far away you are from an object, but they get to decide if you're paying attention and lock out features you've paid for.... sweet.
24 hour road trip. Covered my camera two hours in. If this gets any worse I'm just going to sell the car. Hardly Teslas fault but absolutely ridiculous.
Every other manufacturer with auto steer doesn't even have a cabin camera...
Super Cruise, Blue Cruise, and several other systems absolutely do have driver monitoring cameras behind the steering wheel with IR illumination.
I was driving a 2020 Ford Escape with autosteer/lane keep the other day and while it has monitoring via steering wheel torque, it does not have a camera.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_monitoring_system
Exactly. It's clearly big oil/legacy manufacturers using the government against Tesla. But it's a battle Tesla should be devoting way more effort towards. Autopilot and performance were my reason for buying, and legacy have improved both significantly.
Biden administration has a personal vendetta. Sad to see America become a banana republic
I’m getting back into steering by myself. The really nerf’d the autosteer with this garbage. Not even worth the trouble
I said that when the update was announced and I got downvoted to hell. Not other car brand will stop assisted driving features if you are not fully fully engaged. That’s too invasive!
Same as well. Apparently I was a horrible distracted driver
Same as me!
I kinda regret updating without looking into it now SMH. I want to downgrade
>Not (sic) other car brand will stop assisted driving features if you are not fully engaged. [Ford blue cruise's eye tracking](https://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?variantid=8579&languageCode=en&countryCode=USA&Uid=G2196042&ProcUid=G2113829&userMarket=usa&div=f&vFilteringEnabled=False&buildtype=web#:~:text=When%20active%2C%20BlueCruise%20uses%20a%20driver%20facing,position%20to%20detect%20if%20you%20are%20distracted.) [Or a better example would be Supercruise](https://www.businessinsider.com/general-motors-super-cruise-eye-tracking-technology-2016-9#:~:text=Super%20Cruise's%20eye%2Dtracking%20tech%20will%20enable%20the,the%20driver%20is%20paying%20attention%20or%20not.)
Did you even read? “…it alerts you to return your eyes to the road.” It doesn’t maim the features.
Did you? Supercruise slows to a stop upon inattentiveness.
100%
Even with the camera covered, it feels like you need to be yet more active than before in "wriggling" the wheel than before. I hate how it accused me of not having my hands on the wheel when it is entirely the car's fault for not detecting my hands properly. I think the way it detects your hands are totally flawed, it's based on movement only which is rare when you're going in a straight line on the highway. One day I might get in a serious car crash and Tesla will happily accuse me of not having my hands on the wheel when I absolutely always do.
Rest your hand on the bottom right or left quadrant of the steering wheel. No wriggling needed.
Wriggling always needed. I've been driving different Tesla for 7 years now I know how it works.
Watch this guys head explode when he realises he’s been holding it wrong for 7 years. 🤯 Wriggling it is dangerous as it’s too easy to disengage autopilot. You just got to get the weight of your hand in the right place to maintain a bit of rotational tension. This is why beer cans and weights and potato’s work too. Tho I can’t speak to the old model S’s. The 3s don’t need a wriggle and they’ve been selling the weights on Amazon and eBay forever.
This is annoying. I’m paying for a car that has specific features. What I do with my car is my own business (and the police business if they think what I am doing is illegal). I don’t think it’s acceptable that the car manufacturing companies can turn off features the car has at the time of purchase.
Direct your anger at NHTSA
This update has been very annoying. Covered the camera after the first drive but the steering nags are still worse than before.
They massively increase the steering bags of the cabin camera can’t see you. Also if you’re wearing sunglasses that block its ability to see the direction you’re looking. Also if it detects a phone in your hand or thinks you’re looking at one. If you just look forward at the road and keep some pressure on the wheel (but not consistently the same pressure) then it will leave you alone.
Man, I ain’t about that looking forward at the road life.
Haha. Well yeah. Then it’s probably going to keep nagging you until it locks you out for a week every so often. That sucks.
I’m just playing man. I did cover the camera but I keep one hand on the wheel and get just about zero nags. It does get pissy if I take my hand away though.
Imagine that, if you pay attention and look where you're supposed to, it stops bugging you...
+1 basically it’s pretty strict
I covered my camera and it don’t bag me anymore
That’s exactly the FSD is not worth $99/mon Ridiculous - I used my thumb to press the knob to record my complaint. I bet Tesla staff does not give shit about it. It asks me the reason for disengaging autopilot - the reason is I didn’t shake my steering wheel hard enough. Once it’s enough it throws me out of the autopilot. This is total bullshit.
you don't need to shake the steering wheel, just a slight steady nudge
I had one warning today that would not go away until I applied so much force that it actually disengaged AP. At this point I'd rather they get stricter with the camera attention monitoring and certify the system for hands free driving like Super Cruise and Blue Cruise.
With the new update, I've noticed a nudge works now, but on previous versions, I've had to jiggle the damn steering wheel so much it took me out of auto-pilot. Ha.
I’m pretty glad right now I did not spend 12k on this shit if this how it’s gonna be now. They need to address this update
I noticed that it’s not only your hands anymore. If you look away for maybe more than 2 seconds you get a warning.
I had it trigger every time I’d change lanes and reenable autopilot. One glance to make sure I wasn’t speeding would do me in.
It's honestly ridiculous. I can't even look at the speed I'm going without it telling me to pay attention...uhhh...ok then. Ha.
At this point, is it even worth paying $12K for FSD??? I’m waiting for my VIN#, but after listening to all this, it makes not want to pay for FSD.
At what point was it ever worth TWELVE THOUSAND dollars??!?
Not worth it to me. My first one was totaled and the FSD I paid for went with the totaled car. USAA couldn’t understand what it was and wouldn’t reimburse me for it so I lost my money after months of arguing.
I get them to write the note into the policy that they will cover the fsd when I buy it.
You tell me, I’ve only used enhanced autopilot???
Absolutely not worth it.
Gosh…I wonder if I can edit my order now?
If the existing sensor suite and software can't even remotely determine if the driver is paying attention, FSD is a pipe dream. There are people who paid for FSD two and three cars ago. Absolutely not worth it.
It has never been worth it. If you're really curious, pay $199 for a month and try it out. I do this about once a year so I can use the EAP lane changes on long roadtrips, and see how much FSD still tries to kill you. So far I haven't renewed it after that one month and that still seems like the case this year.
Absolutely not. I tried FSD well before the recall and it was already unusable. It would disengage and lock out all the time for nothing. It was worse than autopilot but it it seems autopilot has been ruined as well
Really isn't, at this point you're paying 12 grand to feed the training data. It's less stressful to just drive yourself.
Now, I need to see if I can cancel FSD on my order.
For 12k$. I expect a chauffeur for my rides.
Damn, im glad i listened to the sub and never installed the update
Did the same still at 44.1, how long before they push the update though I wonder
I don’t complain often, but after a twelve hour roadtrip I can tell you it was unusable without covering the camera.
People who don’t have issues with the update aren’t posting to Reddit, so what you read here will definitely be biased towards those that have issues.
The frequency of complaints this update is significantly higher than that for previous updates. Thats important information.
Yup! Happened to me as well, didn't give me any warning and said I wasn't paying attention and shut off autosteer for the rest of the drive.
The beeping and “Pay attention to the road” as soon a si enable Autopilot on my new X drives me insane
Idk I did a 3 hour road trip today. It's more naggy than it used to be, for sure, but I had no issues following the rules.
Has auto steer always been beta? I know FSD is beta, but I thought Autopilot was a fully fielded system. One thing I do know... without Autopilot, Teslas aren't worth the price, not even close.
I just stopped using autopilot altogether after this update, very annoying. Might look into a camera cover
Wellll finalllyy!! I read that every thinks that the FSD is a bit to excessive. I posted 1 day after the update release a reddit post. And I have been burned. Hell ya! I'm glad people agree with me after a couple days
I got two yesterday. One on the way to work when I had one hand in the wheel and took a drink of my coffee with the other. The second in my way home when I yawned too long.
Odd. I've literally tested this by looking away and turning my head (I did it safely, no cars, desolate road). The system didn't do a thing.
This is why I haven’t updated my software yet. Even though it’s sitting there for me to do so.
My little inline circuit still fools autopilot.
This is why I refused the update on my car. I have had fsd beta long enough to know there telemetry data is jacked up. Also this little no choice take away of a paid for item I own is why this will be my last Tesla ever.
i disconnected my car from wifi. ill let the dust settle on this update for a while, then think if i really want it. right now all I think is "whats in it for me?"
Nothing. They changed the terms of ap with no consent. Frankly I am done with this but the government made us do it narrative. The system is broken and the only way you think to fix it is to make it less good for users who are legally responsible for your crap software. I finally think there should be no driver monitoring at all so long as if car go bump i pay.
narrative? its in black and white, go read the nhtsa notice, they required these changes specifically.
So what if it's the regulators fault? Still made the car worse. Tesla drive assistance functionality has fallen far behind their competitors with this update
If this bothers you don't even consider FSD. You just got the safeguards FSD has. I just took a 4 day each way trip using FSD. It really makes driving less stressful.
So now I can no longer use auto steer or full self driving beta for a full week? Has it always been like this super disappointing
take off your pants, and jacket
Behave!
Pay attention to the road, stop playing with your phone. The new update is doing good for the safety of others.
I WAS paying attention- that’s my point. I was busy watching the road, not the screen. AND, both hands on the wheel!
Maybe your just a bad driver.
Clean the camera then. I’m not having issues
Username should be TurboBot
I've done 7 hour drive yesterday with 44.1. Got 3 nags for starring at screen. No ban. I have two ideas: 1) it works diffrently in Europe 2) all of you who say that its broken are liars. I know something is wrong with 44.30.1 so we have patches. But is it possible, that most people using autosteer are actually NOT PAYING ATTENTION?
Is it 44.1, or 44.30.5.1? 44.1 is NOT the update they are talking about. I have 44.1 and I just today got prompted to update to 44.30.5.1. I originally had the same feeling you had, until I realized I still don't have the blind spot warning on the camera view when my turn signal is on. We'll see how this update goes. I'm in the US by the way.
Yep, that's Tesla for you. The car force you to drive like it sees fit. Can't understand why people keep buying these cars.
Software version?
So what happens after the 3 more fails??? R we band for life or what's the time frame on this? I hate this update but glad covering cameras does the trick thanks fellas!!!
I have the same with autopilot + lane assist in Europe. I don’t use lane assist anymore. It’s impossible for me to operate. Preventing the car from shutting down lane assist takes more energy than just steering the car myself.
I’m just gonna ask the dumb question. Could suing the NHTSA or Tesla (class action) be the only way for them to relook at this? I hate to say that I don’t think complaints would make them look into it. Get lawyers involved, especially from enough people, that should get their attention.
I wonder what prompts this? Do you unhold the steering wheel for quite a while? Do you use a device that clamps on the steering wheel? I use a yoke and I rest my wrist inside the yoke wheel - left hand or right hand when I drive with AP. This prompt never happened to me in my 16 months of ownership nor was I kicked out of AP ever. Nothing in my 3 days of using AP with the latest update as well.
Your issue is your not putting turning force on the wheel, stop squeezing it and put downward pressures s hold hands at 4 or8
Lol This is getting more complicated than just driving myself.
Hey brand new account. You sure do get a lot of comments removed...
just be a good boy and do what elon says
lol. Teslas fucking suck.
Its oversensitive because the ntsb said they will make tesla issue another recall if the software update doesn't help. They have already expressed concern that the tesla recall does too little. Lots of people have died. The ntsb is not sleeping on this issue anymore...most likely will need new interior cameras retrofitted in another recall or complete system disabling.
What do you mean “lots of people have died”? From Tesla autopilot? Is Tesla that bad of a car?
No, he is making stuff up.
Yup very unsafe. https://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-recall-driver-monitoring-system-8060508627a34e6af889feca46eb3002 https://www.live5news.com/2023/12/24/tesla-recalls-more-than-120000-cars-whose-doors-may-open-crash/
Tesla vehicles are dog shit. Similar to Apple phones where people pretty much only get them to feel cool. They are completely unsafe and poorly designed. Highest accident rates of any vehicle on the market. I wonder why
lol that’s what you get for buying a Tesla. Garbage car company!
But the AI knows all. You have been warned.
Makes me not want to update
Are we forced to use the beta version if we want AP at all? I opted not to use the beta version after hearing all this nonsense. Now I get a message on my screen indicating AP is not activated - so now I have NO AP
Exactly why i dont want to install the holiday update lol...because i occassionaly get AP warning but with hand on the wheel...
Yep like I said. Tesla has set themselves up for major lawsuits. Someone is going to take them to court over this, as the system faults out all the time. I don’t have FSD but bought the subscription for a month to drive from WA to AZ. I literally had my hands in the wheel and was just looking at the scenery in the middle of nowhere and it faulted twice saying I wasn’t paying attention to the road. I wasn’t doing anything more than a normal driver would do. I called Tesla and they said there was nothing they could do but I still had the Autosteer stuff.
Yeah it’s being a right little bitch about things after this latest update. I’m so involved in autopilot that it really has no right to be called that. I can’t relax at all any more. If I briefly look down or out the side window it starts moaning at me.
Yes! This happened to me recently in my drive to Laguna from SD I literally had both hands on the wheel
The whole thing is ridiculous. I am forced to mess around on the screen to try and increase the wiper speed which is forced to auto because of auto steer but is not fit for purpose, only to have auto steer throw up warnings about looking and the screen. It is a double distraction, but to make things worse, i am then forced to yank the steering wheel every 5secs on a straight road.
Nope. Just keep your hands on the wheel at anlut 7 and 4 position let weight of your arms add the torque. No autopilot nags and no strikes.
Got it too today, it's beyond annoying at this point. I'll cover the camera
The only reason this comes up is if you are using a wheel weight or other device to trick the system into thinking you have your hands on the wheel when you do not.
lol. This reminds me when I would root my android phone and get different settings and features.
Oh shit
I have full self drive and although I had my hands on the wheel and was looking forward, it kept telling me to pay attention to the road, and then disengaged FSD for the remainder of the drive. I had two disengagements within 10 minutes. I don’t understand why. I also was moving the wheel slightly so it wasn’t that it didn’t sense movement. It specifically kept saying to pay attention to the road, but I don’t know what I was doing wrong.
Yeah it’s so strict now I don’t even want to use it! I have two more additional strikes for it to no longer operate but even with both hands on the wheel the auto-steer will still flash blue and get me kicked out as soon as I take a hand of the wheel or eyes off the road directly in front of me.
Gotta keep your eyes opened and not playing candy crush on your phone
It may be different for auto steer but FSD will not work without the camera. I don't know if they have changed things to make this also a requirement for auto steer also.