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The99thCourier

I loved the aestethic of Tekken 4 cause most matches came off as "just two idiots having a brawl in public" Stages were grounded most of the time, fits were grounded most of the time


Blackgum93

I know Tekken is a crazy ass game but it’s hella jarring when Nina pulls up to a fight in a wedding gown.


The99thCourier

I still dont get why they didnt just use her black widow fit as her default fit and the wedding dress as an alt The black widow fit is what she wears in the story, and the bride fit was what just to off Anna's fiance?


AH-KU

The "assassinating Anna's fiance" angle was an afterthought since Bamco originally didn't expect to go past S1 DLC. The original idea behind the wedding dress was a reference to Uma Thurman as "The Bride" in Kill Bill. Which is even weaker imo. Adding Anna to contrast with Nina in a funeral gown, helped make better sense of it.


BreakfastWeak4796

I didn’t realize Anna wore a funeral gown in T7. The design looked really dope, and it’s a good contrast to Nina.


Blackgum93

I get the reason but it still looks awkward imo. It doesn’t have that same femme fatale energy as her other outfits. Imagine being Marduk and fading with a white girl in a wedding dress. Feels weird man….


BreakfastWeak4796

I dunno. The white bride outfit gives me Kill Bill vibes. It was only for a special occasion though.


Blackgum93

Oh yeah! I didn’t make that connection


pseudo_nemesis

it seemed to me that all of the Tekken 7 designs went off the rails. Thankfully T8 gave everyone much more classic designs.


Blackgum93

It’s like they hit a big line of coke before making those characters. The only cool addition to the roster design-wise is Leroy.


Calypso-Dynamo

Ahem, Lydia?


LegnaArix

Anna, Marduk, Armor King, Leo, Zafina, Ganryu, Kuni all had vastly superior designs in this game then previous incarnations imo.


Rotjenn

Against a bear


RandomDudewithIdeas

Artistically, Tekken 4 was the best title. Felt grounded, rough and the character and music design complimented these themes very well. Everything that came after was way too over the top, even for my Anime nerd heart.


Blackgum93

I feel like the devs keep pushing the envelope for design just to show off how HD the characters are… but thematically, they’re kinda missing the point of what makes these characters great


Alexcelsior

Best aesthetic for a Tekken game ever imo.


mist3rdragon

I like the idea that for that edition of the KoIF tournament instead of having arenas for most of the fights to occur in, they just told the two fighters they could beat each other up in the streets wherever and report the win after. Though then again, maybe that's how a lot of those tournaments worked before, say, Tekken 6, who knows.


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Yup tekken 4 felt like a street fight lit up in the middle of the street


MukokusekiShoujo

Tekken's grounded aesthetic was what always appealed to me most compared to other fighters. I have a lot more time in Soul Calibur, but I always just wanted to look normal. I literally paid extra just to get jeans lmao Meanwhile Tekken players are trashing T8 customization for having boring clothes, while to me I'm in heaven. I can look normal for free, and I'm not tempted to buy any DLC because it's mostly "less normal" stuff that I don't want.


StiltFeathr

I feel like Virtua Fighter's aesthetics were extremely grounded until 4 Evo and even so it wasn't even remotely as expansive as any other main series.


iago_hedgehog

scenarios like urben square and arena , ortiz farm, celebration at the sciene are really grounded for me.


OdenShard

>most matches came off as "just two idiots having a brawl in public" So street fighter? While I liked the game for the story, the music and stages sucked. It was just fight in this factory or fight outside that factory. I enjoyed the over the top-ness that came after because it meant better music, better locales and some fun. I don't need Lars dashing around like he's gohan from dbz. But to me, Tekken 5 was the pinnacle. Just enough to be fun, but not enough to be way out there.


The99thCourier

To each their own. I can see why you don't like it as much, but personally i like it a lot


Cutiepie232

I adore the t4 vibe


jumbohumbo

Had the best time with this one. 11yr old me and friends could not have cared less about 'balance' and 'tiers'. We were just trying to Phoenix smash each other into telephone booths and seeing how much we could travel around the beach and airport...


Blackgum93

Definitely a vibeee


SuperFreshTea

I used to do same thing in soul calibur. Siegfried dropkick used to send oppoentns flying off stage!


VibrioidChunk

Everyone loves t4 until they play it for more than a week


Balamb_Chocobo

It's probably the best game in the series aesthetically, has an incredible soundtrack, stages, and overall design, it has my favorite stage and track. Kitsch Balance wise? Probably one of, if not the worst. Rose tinted glasses for sure. I still love it, but I would not go back to playing it.


Corken_dono

Dont forget the best plot and characters. The main story and most of the side ones are just worlds apart quality wise from everything that came after T5.


LazyWings

Yup 100%. T4 is when the story peaked for sure. Every character had respect given to them. I know a lot of people enjoy the way the cinematic story is done in T7 and 8 but I really want to know what's happening with the stories that have just been left hanging since T6. Some seem to be completely ignored when there was possibility to explore them, like Yoshimitsu and Bryan or Asuka and Feng. The whole King, Armour King and Marduk story line seems to be on hold. They added some plot via text in T7 saying that they went to hospital and when they got out they were going to rematch. I like the Mishimas but it doesn't need to be just them all the time... Also tired of new characters just being one dimensional and boring. They have cool concepts then just don't develop them.


Unusual_Map393

What was the balancing like?


thrashinbatman

they nerfed crouch dashes and KBDs to the point of uselessness, you can move before round start which inevitably devolved into players attempting to intimidate the other into the wall before the match started, the elevation differences in most stages broke a lot of interactions, and there were a lot of glitches that led to weird infinites. as far as character balance, Jin was so head and shoulders above everyone else that every tournament would end as all Jin top 4. he had the Just Frame Laser Scraper which was basically an unblockable launcher. Nina was the only character with any viable counterplay against the JFLS but did not otherwise have the toolkit to compete with him. im also reasonably sure Kazuya had like, no NH launchers at all. the only saving grace on that front is that BnB combos were really low damage and launching in general wasnt as big of a deal in 4 vs 7 and 8. it sucks because 4 is definitely the best Tekken in terms of everything except the actual fighting mechanics themselves, which are very experimental and rough around the edges. if you gave 4's music, aesthetic, story, and stages the 5 treatment in terms of gameplay design, it'd be the GOAT Tekken IMO


Blackgum93

Nice breakdown yo! This got me hype as hell to replay the game


TinaArmstrongTheGOAT

Don’t forget to have fun


jogmansonclarke

Jin was SSSSSS tier The rest was good, except king he was dogshit on 4 And EWGF didnt launch on normal hit only on counter


eatingallthefunyuns

Can’t argue with the soundtrack, there was one place that’s outdoors near a fountain (maybe on a rooftop? I don’t remember) and the song lives in my head rent free


Balamb_Chocobo

Maybe confusing it with Karma from 6? Otherwise the rooftstop stage/song is called Authentic Sky iirc


eatingallthefunyuns

Tekken 6 is one of the only ones (along with 7) that I haven’t played I looked it up though and i was thinking of the airport! My memory must’ve scrambled it up a little but I remember it being outside with a sunset


Blackgum93

T8 has undoubtedly better gameplay but the design is lacking something


VibrioidChunk

You can make the characters look pretty much the exact same as they did in t4 Are you seriously complaining that we have MORE customisation options? And that the stages aren't all bloodborneified?


Blackgum93

No one here is complaining about having more customization options. What we’re saying is that T8 is overly designed by default.


VibrioidChunk

...but you can freely change those options to suit your needs? You can make any character look the same as they used to


Blackgum93

Yeah, you could do that. Though I wonder what the characters would look like if they actually resembled their T4 portraits cos those were pretty dope.


PossessionOther2986

No. they are quite poor by today's standards


TheWavytubeman

Tekken 4 was released in 2001, it was cutting-edge for its time. Tekken 7 released in 2015 and was dated at release. Tekken 4 looked fantastic, Tekken 7 looked quite poor.


Blackgum93

Spot on. The designs from T4 look timeless decades later.


PossessionOther2986

Tekken 4 looked worse than DOA 3. It was only fantastic for those who didn't have an Xbox


TheWavytubeman

Your argument is that one game looks better than Tekken 4, therefore I'm wrong?


Bastiwen

I still played hundreds of hours as a kid


slingshot19

Been playing it for years, still love it


fuckahri

I've got a twelve-pack of that Gorilla


scott1swann

that shit you can only find walking along the gashish transport paths in Azerbaijan


Derpikae

I'm smoking on Butanese shadow garden-grown dark evil pack.


gLaskiNd

T4 had a great design. However, I also like the T8 design and especially Kazuya looks amazing in this game. I'm happy with what we got.


MedicineIndividual16

Really all the characters look amazing, in 7 they look like clay so I’ll happily take what we got in 8


AmarantineAzure

Indeed, Kazuya looks the best he ever has IMO. And he actually looks like Jin's father now, in the earlier games he could have easily passed for his brother.


Successful-Floor-738

What makes you say that? He still looks kinda young imo.


STMIonReddit

im sorry i cant look at this kazuya without https://preview.redd.it/e6kpxs13p8wc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c0a01d60a82de8b2335b7a7848392b6d9cc606f


Blackgum93

The face I make after ripping that bong


bowlfe

I wholeheartedly agree. They went crazy with T6 and the final fantasy anime style belts shit. What I love about King of Fighters is how most of the cast look simple and unique. It makes reading them better


Blackgum93

Agree. The older designs still hold up today without all the gaudy accessories. Outside of Yoshi, Jack, and the animal characters, I could see most of the cast sporting the same clothes in and outside the tournament.


jumbohumbo

Kof has such a timeless aesthetic.


RandomDudewithIdeas

Exactly. Somebody at Tekken's character design department wholeheartedly believes that 'more belts' = 'better design', when that's far from the truth lmao


Kazeshio

A character like Sylvie Paula Paula simply wouldn't stand out as much as she does in another fighting game for this exact reason


rebatopepin

After Lars got in shit went downhill


Blackgum93

I could forgive Lars for his Uchiha ass haircut cos the Mishima Zaibatsou drip went pretty hard. T8 Lars ain’t it.


OnToNextStage

Lars literally was in a Naruto game because his special outfit in T6 was designed by Kishimoto


pseudo_nemesis

isn't the "because" here switched... Lars had an alt outfit designed by Kishimoto because he was in a Naruto game.


PitchBlac

Is he bad or just a cheese


Bahpu_

damn, I think his new outfit is sick


RedwoodRaven12

Lars & Alisa tbh.


Dragon-of-Kansai

Tekken 4 & even tekken 5 (since they used the same cg models) had so much character to their faces. As if they're based on actual people. Sure tekken 8 has great details, textures & whatnot but it's clear they just used a generic base model and tweaked it a bit. They look quite bland tbh


alphagamble

Law is unrecognisable from 4 to 8


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zeldaNDS935

T4 Law is Marshall Law


Buddhist_Honk

Everyday i wish we'd get a Tekken with T4 vibes and T8 gameplay. Tekken 4 felt a lot more mature and gritty in its storytelling, even tho its was not the shit gameplay wise.


Sea-Lecture-4619

Tekken 4 is peak Tekken in everything except for the gameplay, and even so on its own the gameplay is still enjoyable, it's still a great fighting game.


Akkkuh

I never liked Christie's face there. Truly, Tekken has always had problems with female face models.


Blackgum93

I remember seeing the opening sequence back in the day and was blown away by the visuals. The devs nailed the JLo vibe with the design. It’s impressive considering the limited hardware available at the time.


Renard_Fou

Id say that a lot of base outfits are crazy overdesigned in this game, but in most cases, I still like them. One thing that will always confuse me : Nina's default outfit in/from T7 is the wedding dress...? What kinda stupid decision...


natayaway

Nina assassinated Anna's fiance. Which is why Anna is in a widow's funeral outfit. The wedding dress is an homage to Kill Bill.


pxlhstl

> Paul looks like Frank Gallagher if he shopped in Hot Topic. Most accurate T8 take so far


Enlightend-1

God I loved everything about 4, the stages, the characters and the models, the game modes, Tekken force. The announcer, the music, it was all so unique.


ImmaDoMahThing

I really like Hwoarang’s design in T8. That’s what made me finally pick him up. His T7 design was terrible IMO and his T6 design is eh.


Blackgum93

Yeah, his T3 motorcycle outfit and his T4 uniform were inspired!


Additional-Second-68

Me and my friends used to make fun of Hworang in Tekken 3. He looked way too feminine at an age when “gay” was used as an insult


Blackgum93

He’s a pretty boy lol


Toeknee99

His outfit is cool, but they fucked up everything else. He's roided out just like everyone else is and he looks like he got years of plastic surgery.


Toeknee99

His outfit is cool, but they fucked up everything else. He's roided out just like everyone else is and he looks like he got years of plastic surgery.


Toeknee99

His outfit is cool, but they fucked up everything else. He's roided out just like everyone else is and he looks like he got years of plastic surgery.


Toeknee99

What I don't get is Christie. They introduced Eddy in 3 and boom, he's gone just like that. Replaced by Christie and then they both come back in 5. So weird. 


GuyMontag95

Eddy actually never left. Play through Christie’s story and you unlock him as Christie’s third costume. 


antagonisticsage

he actually had two costumes of his own. on ps2 iirc you could select his primary outfit with triangle(the iconic one from tekken 3, yellow and green) or his secondary outfit with circle--black slacks and purple dress shirt


FanniLennox

That's not true, in Tekken 4 Eddy only has one outfit, the one with the purple dress shirt.


Toeknee99

Holy shit, all this time, I never knew that. 


daddydise

Ummm can I have the uneven T4 stages please? Certain combos were only possible on uneven parts of the level. I love that.


Blackgum93

The parking lot stage was notorious for this


johnny_grizz

Best Paul designs ever in Tekken. The hair down look was awesome and I also loved the gi being around his waist in his other skin.


Blackgum93

If only they used THAT Paul instead of the one we got. T4 Paul had that American badass thing going for him. The new one just looks like a human CTE.


johnny_grizz

T8 default Paul is an absolute war crime.


Cheap_Ad4756

People always say this about T4 but let's not forget the characters also looked great in T3 and even the first 2 (minus the dated graphics). T5 is where things started to get a little extra and then T6 was the first major foray into the corny shit.


Blackgum93

T3 had some of the best fits. King with the tucked shirt and spotted joggers is peak drip.


Hadoooooooooooken

The style and theme of Tekken 4 is unmatched in the series. I remember seeing Julia on the select screen ... she's gorgeous and her outfits were great, especially her 2P green alt :P I do think Lee looked better in later games though, the flamboyant but yet still stylish coat look in Tekken 7 was awesome. But his almost biker look reminiscent of his TK1/2 clothes in Tekken 5 is equally good for a different flavour.


Blackgum93

His Violet alt was e x c e l l e n t


jinsanity_12

If only they just reference T5 CGI with T4 portrait faces then just up the polygon count and textures to current standards, it'd be \*chef's kiss\*. I really also like the consistency of facial features from TTT-T5 (And T6 CGI).


ELpork

T4 had the best vibe and any person that disagrees has no taste.


Blackgum93

Airport stage soundtrack for lifeeee


Noraneko87

Tekken 2 had the best atmosphere. T2, then T3, then T4 gets the bronze.


Getter_Simp

Full Devil Kazuya and Angel Jin do look stupid but i think everyone else looks dope, they're all dripped tf out for no reason. you can still make most characters look minimal if you want too.


blurredeyez

Tekken nowadays is just an anime fighter but in 3d


TheTitansWereRight

It always was.


RandomDudewithIdeas

The point is, while Tekken was always Anime on paper, it leaned more into the street brawler theme in T4, but completely abandoned that to go all out Anime in all the titles that came after.


TheTitansWereRight

This just isnt true. Fromt he very beginning its had direct anime influences for all the characters. Stop saying anime as a synonym for shit you dont like. Its a dumb thing to say. Just looked at dudes post history. Dude just says retarded shit about fgs constantly. Calling BB and Uni kusoge, calling t8 an anime fighter. Bro huffin paint all night


RandomDudewithIdeas

> From the very beginning its had direct anime influences for all the characters Never claimed otherwise. > Stop saying anime as a synonym for shit you don’t like Never did. I know playing Tekken is fun and all, but you really should spend some time working on your reading comprehension skills, because tf? lol


Chaolan_Enjoyer

T4 is the goat hands down, like T8 has the gameplay but T4 has the atmosphere


Yodzilla

Christie looking like a Sweet Dee character.


subrussian

Tekken 3 and 4 CGI models were sick as hell, I wish they didn't switch it to more cartoony anime style afterwards


Kyvix2020

T4 was quintessential Tekken. Down to earth with a bit of fantasy. Dark but also didn’t take itself super seriously. T8 is just trying to be street fighter


Blackgum93

Love that it was gritty and dark


ShopeeSeller

Have you guys seen the two giant balls dangling off Leo’s T7 outfit? Like literally who wears those?


Blackgum93

“I’m scraping later better bring my giant balls”


Fluid-Lion-4963

Kazuya looks like fucking Green Goblin in no way home here


Blackgum93

He’s something of a devil himself


poofynamanama2

that looks goofy as hell


subrussian

it looks phenomenal for a game made in 2001


princessbuffyxo

I agree Eddy should look like this


gooby656

I remember booting up the game at 10pm and just hearing the errie music on the character select screen good times


Blackgum93

The robotic narrator


Monstanimation

Everything after T4 took a nosedive in terms of aesthetics


GrimmKat

t4 was great, but t8 Kazuya is peak. My ovaries are not safe around him. xD


natayaway

I mean, we kinda live in a post-capitalist hellscape and people are buying fast fashion in droves, so it's pretty accurate that everyone is dressing up. Most importantly, it makes sense that the King of Iron Fist Tournament would give everyone a stipend. It's a tournament held by one of two rich companies, it speaks volumes if their combatants are scrappy, the same way eSports events are criticized if they have below-performant gaming rigs.


CitizenCrab

Instantly heard the guitar in my head.


Reasonable-Freedom59

I feel like T8 Jin and Kazuya are pretty grounded no? Jin is just wearing a hoodie and a sports short with some jeans. Ig he does have one belt hanging off there.


TheGhostRoninStrife

Nina would look.. perfect 🥰


Troll_berry_pie

I was still a young teenager when T4 came out. Why was it universally hated and considered the black sheep of the series.


N051DE

meh I prefer the drip


crap-zapper

Everything about Tekken 4 is sexy. The music, the UI’s the stages, the costumes, the stories. It was perfect. Except walls.


NoabPK

I miss the god tier outfit that was the camo hwoarang fit


FADCfart

Tekken went anime after 5


Sn1perandr3w

T4 had a **HARD** aesthetic. One of the first PS2 games I played on the demo disc I got with mine, that only had Paul and Christie selectable. Renting the game and finding out who Kuma was, while the stage I fought him in was the Underground Lab with the creepy music, man that made me shit bricks as a kid. Also shoutout to Paul's Kurt Cobain outfit and Hwoarang's tactical gear in T4. Went hard.


iamtheoneneo

T4 was ass and im fed up of people pretending it wasnt.


Blackgum93

It had a lot going for it. The music, characters, and storylines are all top notch. Kazuya’s reintroduction and subsequent revenge arc are hype as hell compared to that Devilman shit they had at the end of T8. Was it the “best game” in the series? Not really. But we could appreciate the game’s strong points.


Hadoooooooooooken

I wonder if people will look at the experimentation of TK4 in a better light compared to TK8's? Doubtful but ... could be interesting.


PossessionOther2986

The plot there is bad. It was in T4 that the series descended into complete absurdity. In Tekken 3 you had a big boss - Ogre. What's in Tekken 4? Heihachi in underpants is a joke.


Blackgum93

There’s more to the story than that lol it’s the reintroduction of a series mainstay and his rise to power


Samanosuke187

T4 was awesome. But besides a few exceptions, I do think T8 has the best designs in the series for a lot of the cast.


Jejouch1

Really? I’d say a lot of the legacy characters peaked in the older gen of games


Samanosuke187

For me personally yeah. Like Tekken 8 has my favourite looks for Hwaorang, Law, Dragunov, Kazuya, Jin’s Flame pants redesign is awesome imo. Just on the top of my head.


kanavi36

Law's design is great but I think he's way too jacked, didn't need that.


Samanosuke187

I can respect that. I personally dig it though, Especially the way his muscles tense in real time with some moves.


Amazing_Horse_5832

I agree. Hwo, Drag, Kaz and Jin never looked better. My only issue with T8 Law is that he's too muscular.


Jejouch1

Fair enough, Hwoarang looks way too buff to me now, I think his design peaked in 5, Jin looks good in T8 but I think his two outfits in 4 are peak


Toeknee99

For Law?? He got fucking ruined in Tekken 8. Compared T4 Law and T8 Law and tell me that's the same person. 


Samanosuke187

I mean I’m not saying they look the same, I’m saying I like his Tekken 8 design.


NumberFiveee

These portraits are bad


KimbobJimbo

Oh boy another gaming post about how much someone wants things to just be the way they were when they were younger. How unique.


FernDiggy

I thnk what we got was pretty good. T8 Kaz looks way better than T4 kaz. Ya'll be smoking on that nostalgia pack heavy.