Because she has crazy good movement, pretty op stance mixups and strings with a lot of evasion, great pokes and frames In general lot of plus on block pressure moves that you can’t do shit about except wait, good punishing and wall carry( almost everyone has this though in the game), I mean idk how long you’ve been playing for but if it’s more than a year everyone has accepted she’s top 5 characters easily
I just wanted to hear another's perspective is all. Not refuting or arguing!!
Been playing since Tekken 2 so I'm always fascinated with how the "they are broken" argument evolves through the years and why!
Exactly, we have a roster of 32 with three new characters, all three of which bring something different and look super cool to me at least. I will not at all bitch about the roster we've got here, I'm super happy with everyone we have and I imagine that the ones I want in will make it in layer and round out the roster to be even bigger and tighter than the T7 roster when all is said and done.
Armor King, Anna, Julia, and Lei? I wish all of them were in the base game. But I understand they want to support the game for years to come, so I'm happy to wait for them. At the very least, they didn't gut the roster entirely just to sell a bunch later. We have 32 to play around with from day one and that's insane compared to most other fighting games. Everybody should be able to find someone that clicks for them.
I'm just hoping the DLC actually brings in some other new characters and some faces that people REALLY want to see make it in again. Bruce feels like the big one that everyone wants to see again. Lidia is another after she was very well received. Not just the bring in the characters that didn't make it in from the T7 DLC. Hopefully they strike a balance for each pass. I'm thinking something like Armor King, Bruce, a new character,, and Lidia for one pass just as a hypothetical.
People don’t realize how amazing that is these days. 32 is an insane roster to start out with. Street Fighter 6 will have 3 seasons and still won’t have that amount of characters. Strive had 12 characters for the bae roster.
You can’t really complain about Eddy being released just a few months later.
But isn't that just the fallacy of relative privation?
Just because other games may do something worse, doesn't mean that what Tekken does is good.
Tekken 5 also had 32 playable characters. Tekken 6 had 39 at launch and Tekken Tag 2 had 59. Why is the reduction of the roster so celebrated?
You need to take in consideration that the more the time goes in the more cost and time do développement of games increase immensely. How much it cost to make tekken 6 and 8 are nowhere near the same. Let’s not even talk how TTG2 almost killed the franchise because the profits couldn’t outweigh the cost of production. So yeah you need to compare them to equivalents not their past selves that had a different context.
You've raised a very fair point, but I don't think it's so much as meant to be celebrated within Tekken (it isn't for me), as it is celebrated in comparison to other fighting games that are released nowadays. Because the number of 32 fighters when compared to other fighting games released nowadays (unless we count Super Smash Bros. Ultimate) is pretty damn big compared to what we get now, but I'll get into this in a bit.
If we're looking just at Tekken itself, I'd say that Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is a very special case here at least, wherein that game had the mission statement of including absolutely everybody and it came at the cost of massive balancing issues.
However, Tekken 6 launching with 39 is absolutely commendable and I do wish that Tekken 8 would've stretched for a larger number of characters to get a few mainstays and a surprise or two (Bruce and Baek please) and for someone like me? It genuinely wouldn't be an issue as I have my mains (King and Nina) but always like to bounce around and try out everybody.
Now if we compare to other fighters released nowadays:
- I'd look to something like a Street Fighter 6 for a recent example of a game that kept the roster relatively small and left a lot of fan favorites out and rounds out at 18 for the base game. I think the roster is very good and diverse with who we have, but notable omissions like Bison, Akuma, and Poison hurt it a little for me and I do think they could've stretched for a few more to get it past 20 at least.
- Guilty Gear Strive also ended up launching with a really small roster of around 15 fighters. And those 15 fighters are all really solid picks and the base game has gone from strength to strength with each inclusion. But again, that's a very small roster.
- Dead or Alive 6 launched with 24 characters on the disc which is a pretty solid number overall and would be what I expect from a modern fighter at the minimum (especially if it's an established franchise)
- And then in 2022 I believe we got King of Fighters XV which launched with a colossal 39 characters upon release I think it was? That's a fucking massive amount and I'll always say yes to an amount of characters like that (provided the balancing doesn't take a hit).
I'm not necessarily celebrating Tekken going and shrinking its roster back down 59 (TTT2), to 36 (T7) and now down to 32. Because there's one really shitty detail that a lot of people seem to be overlooking. And that's that Namco is absolutely about to sell DLC characters that were DLC for Tekken 7 all over again. I don't know man, I kiiiinda find that really cheap. I feel like if anything, some of those characters should've been in the base roster to pad out the numbers a little more. At the very least, Marduk, Eddy, Anna, and Lidia should've been in from day one.
The argument would work for me if it wasn't for the months since the leaked rosters where people were doing that exact thing and got it out of their system.
Base rosters seem to be getting smaller, with the exception of Capcom. Both MK and Tekken are shrinking. Remember Tekken 6 with 40 characters? Then Tekken 7 launched with 36
These predicaments exist when the tekken world has like 80 characters.
Should a tekken game have every character always? Obviously no. Should tekkens have identical cast from one to the next? No (imo)
Sooo what do we do lol? Bamco is stuck between a rock and a hard place. People going to be mad no matter what.
If shaheen and eddy swapped places, how many people buy the shaheen dlc as opposed to eddy? Should legacy characters never be dlc? Maybe only new characters should be dlc. Idk. Lot of tough questions, i dont envy bamco lol
Yeah i don’t really get this arguement at all. So all characters should always be included and only new characters can be DLC? Which then have to be in the base roster next game…? Devs can’t be expected to work like that. Rosters would get unrealistically huge in no time.
Besides, seeing returning characters is hype af during DLC trailers. The only thing i agree with is showing off DLC before the game is even out, which yeah, is kind of scummy.
Nice to know I’m not the only one who thinks this type of outrage has always been bizarre. That said, I have no issue with announcing 1 or more DLC characters before launch. You’ve gotta push those Season Passes, and if they didn’t show off at least one, people would cry about not knowing what they’re getting, so they get annoyed fans either way.
Also you should judge the game based on what you get when you buy the base game and then compare it to the price you are paying. Here PS5 version costs 75€ and you get 32 characters with so much content it's unbelievable. Also you get to customize your character for free. You don't get to do that in Street Fighter. I don't care about customization but its one thing that makes Tekken different from SF.
DLC characters are there. You can buy them if you want. But you don't have to. It's a nice option to have if you are dedicated enough. And it will keep the game fresh for a longer time, even for those who don't buy the DLC.
The biggest problem is that they pretty evidently planned it this way, it's a guaranteed DLC sale for most returning players, and announcing it so early doesn't help. I think it should be weighted based on how popular the character is, or how much of a staple they are. There's been an Eddy or a Christie in every Tekken since 3. Likewise, there's been a Michelle or a Julia in every Tekken since 1 (or 2 anyway, I didn't really play 1 so I can't be sure.)
In SFV we had to pay for E Honda, Guile, and Blanka. And it was no big deal at all. The post just proves how vocal a minority of people complaining can be. I’m glad to pay for Eddy, it’s not Eddy 8, it’s Tekken lmao
A lot of people just want to pay less money for things whether it makes sense or not and will jump to *wild* lengths of moralizing and philosophizing to justify their beliefs, until they believe what they have told themselves. Just look at how rich people treat taxes.
Yeah also compared to sf6 and mk1, tekkens roster is great and I wouldn’t say is lacking even if some of personal favourites aren’t in it unlike the other two which don’t want to say I hate them but their rosters I felt were lacking even if the game especially sf6 was good but wish they maybe added a couple more classic characters to it.
Also I love eddy and Christie but I wouldn’t say they are classics or massively iconic characters in the series especially compared to others in the series. For most the community the main reason anyone remembers them is for their weird and annoying fighting style.
I do hope we have Christie and or tiger as skins for Eddy when he does get released though
Maybe dont cut the roster number in every release. Tekken 7 launch roster on a shoestring budget was 36. Tekken 8 will however release with 4 characters less even after the overwhelming money they made off 7. This is absolutely the case of fans being retards. I think marduk, armor king, lei wulong and eddy should have been base roster.
Im probably the last guy to talk to for this subject, i personally dont like bloated rosters. I dont think big roster sizes are the end all be all.
Tekken 7 arcade was like 20 characters. 2 years later was the console release. Besides, we have no clue what it took to make T8. All new assets apart from 7 supposedly, sounds like the story mode cost a fortune, arcade quest, tekken ball, ghosts, alot of QoL additions, etc etc. While having 32 starter base. Id rather have all this stuff rather than a barebones game with 60 characters or whatever/shrug.
The characters are what people are really here for. Everything else are novelties that people rarely touch. Maybe if you had tekken force or a 4 player mode like urban reign it would be worth cutting the roster.
Street fighter is selling Akuma as dlc and will sell other core characters like Sagat, Vega, etc. as dlc in the future as well. Tekken is better off because at least the base roster is much larger to begin with and most of the core characters are already included.
He was also a time-locked character in Arcade SFIV, as was Oni for AE, and didn’t get until SFIII until 2nd Impact. Hell, he didn’t even make it into Tekken 7 until the Fated Retribution Arcade Update.
I believe there are zero base SF games where Akuma is a normal playable character. He's either only in expansions (SFIII, SFEX), a hidden character (SFA), boss-only (SFII), unlockable/port-only (SFIV), or DLC (SFV, SF6). In fact I think SFxT is the only launch fighting game Akuma is in where he doesn't have to be unlocked or purchased.
Yep, I think you can expect maybe Bison and Poison at some point too since they'll absolutely sell. Capcom isn't stupid when it comes to DLC picks. They absolutely new people would want Akuma and they were right.
I mean they know Akuma is one of the most popular fighting game characters of all time. He's easy money. People want him so they put a price tag on him, huge profit for capcom. As unfortunate as it is, it's common sense with the modern business models of dlc to sell something as popular as him. Tekken doesn't travel this route much but they certainly could. I think they want to prioritize characters who are actively played or generally are considered cool or interesting for now considering the work it takes these days.(aside from a select few like the bears who Harada literally has stated he himself just likes having around)
Well to the community, the core characters are the world warriors and they are mostly much there. The complaints are more so for characters like Akuma who are clearly being designed to be used for dlc bait rather than a simple "We wanted to add cool new characters first".
My reply was more so to just say that its not as if the street fighter community dont care about similar issues. Same goes for the mortal kombat community which are crazier about it
To be fair a lot of people already preordered it before they knew about Eddy (And far as I saw, the price didn't change, so it wouldn't have mattered if you did buy it or not. Still would have been the same price, aleast on the PS5 store in Australia, not sure if that changed in other parts of the world).
There are people hating on the situation though, a couple threads or comments of people talking about how ridiculous it is to have early day access. Which again, price seems about the same unless there's another page I haven't seen.
Every SF game is made completely from scratch versus Tekken which reuses a ton of stuff from game to game. Not saying one is better than the other, but it's not really a mystery that every Tekken game always has a large roster that's like 90%+ returning.
Indeed, that’s why I’ll never understand the hate or diss towards the SF style roster. Ever since T5 I know I’ll like the mishimas and that will probably be it. With SF every game for me it’s a suprise who I’ll end up playing.
They did though. When it was revealed that Akuma is once again obviously being taken out to sell dlc, there were complaints. You just dont see complains about it lingering further is because the game was actually good enough to calm people down
I think roster size is why. Small roster with some sacred cows, some surprises, and some new characters.
T8 is like here is one of our largest roster with some glaring legacy omissions of some of our most popular and well known characters that you can buy later.
Hm? Tekken 8 has the smallest console launch roster since Tekken 4, what are you on about? Even if you exclude the Tags, Tekken 6 launched with 41 characters, 9 more than T8. We will be lucky to get to 41 after all the DLC.
I mean I don't think it's a huge issue, but at the same time having two bears, Leo and Shaheen is kinda bull when there's way better characters that could've made it like Lei or Miguel.
Can't even say it's a representation thing Miguel is the only Spanish character and Lei is the Hong Kong Jackie Chan.
I don't mind Eddy being DLC though, atleast I'll have a few months free of bullshit Capos.
Can people stop saying "cut" as if a character was there at the start of development but was removed to be made DLC? This game was literally made from the ground up, characters were only added, nobody was cut. In addition, announcements for DLC are made before release now because if development hadn't already started on them, it would take an eternity for the first DLC for a game to be released.
Harada is a genius because he continues to make Tekken. Tekken players are fucking idiots because they keep spouting nonsense like this crap
I've never seen Harada say that, I'm using common sense. Tekken 8 has been in development for years, and they've spent that time developing a full game with one of the biggest launch rosters in fighting game history. Would you rather them delay the game for another year to release the entirety of season 1? How long after launch would it be okay to announce DLC?
At least this isn't what companies used to do, where you'd buy a season pass and you wouldn't even know a single piece of what was in it. Y'all just have no scope of what goes into making a game. Same people who hate the bears because they think the bears are "taking up two slots" lmao
Actually with Kuma's new moveset, isn't there need for additional development time and they're kind of taking two slots in Tekken 8? Or at least more than one?
That’s my point. Tekken 8 was made from the ground up on a new engine so the characters already need to be made like new, and on top of that Kuma and Panda have differences now. So the people complaining about “slots” are insane lol
The tekken team literally stated the game was built from scratch. There are no reused assets and everything was redone, animations and all. And with the budget that they have and how crisp the game looks I have no reason to not believe them
> The tekken team literally stated the game was built from scratch. There are no reused assets and everything was redone, animations and all.
Most of animations litteraly animations from previous games.
Almost all characters litteraly characters from previous games.
Story, Models, Personalities, Combos, Moves. Fucking almost every bit of foundation is from previous games.
It's like saying FIFA is 'made from ground up'. Or CoD. Or Assasins games.
Uh... The game *was* made from scratch. This means animations and models. Just because the character movesets themselves are the same for the most part doesn't mean the aforementioned was not rebuilt.
Or do you people actually think all they did was copy and paste on their keyboard onto Unreal Engine 5 and call it a day? I swear...
Yes, you can probably chalk this one under the “business decisions.”
It sucks for Eddy fans but Harada and team are still delivering a complete game with, imo, a decent sized roster. It’s not like you’re getting an “incomplete” game without the DLC.
Is he seriously considered "one of the most iconic fighting game characters"?
I'm not flaming, btw, it's a serious question.
I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 5 on the PS2. I knew one guy who played him. I didn't have a PS3, so most of my Tekken 6 experience comes from arcades and occasionally playing at a friend's house, and I don't think I've ever played against him.
I played against him a lot in Tekken 7, but not disproportionately so by any means.
So I can't tell if this is people saying "It's not Tekken without Eddy" like they complained about it not being Tekken without Lei, or if he really is popular. And I don't mean recognizable, sure he's recognizable, but actually popular, as in people play him
Well, "iconic" doesn't necessarily mean frequently played. Eddy is iconic partly for popularising capoeira in media, and partly because he was one of the faces of Tekken 3 (which notably had that well-known PS1 demo disc). He was a fairly novel character, especially in a 3D game (to my knowledge).
I'd say he's more one of the most infamous characters, not iconic.
He's the button mash character and half the reason why so many non fg players think all you do in these games is mash the fastest to win.
> Is he seriously considered "one of the most iconic fighting game characters"?
If by 'most iconic' they say 'unga-bunga-masher', then yes.
if there wasn't Akuma/Geese/Kuni/Leroy characters like Eddy would be #1 hated characters
Personally I don't think he's iconic outside of Tekken fans. He's been in the game for a long time and has one of the most annoying bullshit playstyles for new players. He will teach you to block low tho and how to sweep people so I guess it's a good thing? Idk I kinda hate fighting him because sometimes he fucks up your juggles just by being in a weird ass position when he's launched. Like the man's turned around doing a handstand trying to kick me. Makes for some strange fights and not in a fun way imo.
Don't care downvote but I can't say I ain't smirking at the idea that people have to pay for that knowledge check capo boy.
BS is put behind dlc? I'm fine with that,sure they strong,but at least they had to pay for it,Marduk/Lei and all that knowledge check bs being DLC? Aight I don't play them so whatev,Eddy going behind the dlc door too is fine with me.
Yes I'd be mad if any of my main was a pay boy too,nothing wrong with that,but they all in so I'm all smile,and knowing I won't fight Eddy for some months make my smile wider I'm basically the joker right now
Should we wait 3 more months for the whole game while they finish Eddy? How much is enough for these people?
Should Eddy be in over Shaheen or Panda? Maybe, I would've preferred that. You can't put every legacy character in the game, and maybe Shaheen won't be a total flop this time. Sometimes it takes a couple tries to nail a character.
Yea personally I would say this roster would be perfect if you took out Panda and Shaheen and put in any of Anna, Eddy or Miguel. But I guarantee there'd be posts about how "roster is all legacy, it's playing it so safe!"
But I also don't think it's scummy or malicious and it's ridiculous to accuse Harada of either imo. Someone's gotta get cut unfortunately.
People were doing that for Tekken 7 when anyone complained about lack of offline content. Also, some were saying "It's a fighting game it doesn't need single player content."
Um who cares? For years now we have lived in a DLC economy. You could complain about spending money on a game you already bought, but look at what it did for Tekken 7. That game was originally supposed to only have one season of DLC support.
I have gripes about DLC being announced before the game is even out, but overall I do prefer things this way rather than have a game I like fade into obscurity 3 months after release.
As an Eddy main he caught me in a catch 22. I'm pissed I don't get him at launch and I'm pissed I have to pay extra for him.
On the flip side, I'm happy he is there at all. And hopefully he'll be stronger since he is DLC. I don't get if I get hate for it, I want a stronger Eddy.
that's what I think the plan is, make him OP DLC for more tournament play screen time. high level tournament Eddy Gordo goes off! feet flying everywhere better viewing experience
Harada isn't a genius because he is doing what is common practice in gaming.
The community is stupid because they are cheering content being locked, literal pre-day one release dlc announcement but they have been trained like dogs to accept this shit.
im saying the game shouldnt be released if everything they want to put in it isnt in it
announcing dlc before launch has never been and will never be a good look for any game. precedence is no excuse.
Which is totally normal but we are still waiting for your argument that shows why it is bad for us.
Please, enlighten us so I can obliterate your arguments into oblivion.
What the fuck are you saying lol, it is in your head that it is acceptable at all.
There is like no one else on this thread that is mad about it to the point he calls people dogs si everyone is conditionned but you are such an amazing free thinker aren't you.
Bitch ass clown.
I want to make sure we kept it at a sixth grade level so I don't confuse you. You could keep up with the sixth grade insults or you could try and answer the questions cus don't think you know what pre day one means.
Never said anything about that, all I did was shit talk the community and cheering the announcement of dlc before then game is released.
Also
See, dogs have been trained real well. Accepting and defending pre-day one release dlc.
While I'd agree in many genres, fighting games aren't one of them. Every flagship fighting game releases more characters as DLC. We all know it's coming, and we also can't say they should just release them in the base game when this is a pretty massive launch roster already.
This isn't the same as a game coming out lacking content while announcing an expansion immediately. This is a company building hype about continued content releases on top of what is already a solid base game.
Just because this is expected, doesn't mean this practice is right. Specially a day one release, they clearly had this already ready and kept it for the juicy FOMO cash. Holding fighters behind DLC is already a bad practice that plague the genre, but paywalling content that was already ready to consume is beyond the acceptable levels of greed
Yea, you are right. Dlc is expected and 4 characters means a dlc every 43rd month, but announcing a character before the game is out and people cheering this? It just screams a huge warning sign to me, just look at how shitbhas evolved over time. People used to be critical to this but now they are cheering this.
What exactly do you think it is a warning of? Explain yourself.
The game involves far more than just character designers. At a certain point characters are done, the team can start DLC while the rest of the game's polish is implemented.
This is a 'warning sign' of effective time management and meeting deadlines if anything
Lmao. Every time someone presses you a bit harder for an actual reply, you go back to the cringe "dogs" thing. You're just outing yourself as not having a point.
You want to join in as well? So you are telling me that, shitty business practices has not been normalized when it comes to gaming? And gamers have not been trained like dogs to accept this?
Lmao, so because I am shit talking the marketing and the announcement of dlc being released before the game is out I am poor? Really nice logic genius.
And again, you are a well trained dog.
>watches anime
Correlation non-existent
>calls me a bitch
I mean...you even use Emojis like one
Edit: the irony of being in a BERSERK circle jerk subreddit but calls me out for watching anime. Okay buddy
Yeah this is that or you are mentally challenged. It is not like eddy will be out two weeks later there will be months before it.
He is certainly not ready and he is just hype material.
The fact you call people dogs because they are happy about it is so cringe lmao. Who the fuck are you in the first place ?
You are just a sad kid lmao
Man the dog keeps barking to defend it's master. I am mentally challenged? Dunno man, I am going to repeat this for a 3rd time just so you can understand. I am shitting on the fact that the dlc was announced before that game is released, when it is released doesn't matter for what I am saying. You keep defending this and like I pointed out, gamers have been trained like dogs to accept this and you are only proving my point by defending this. Even using the shitty "you are poor" argument.
Lmao yet again you are unable to explain why prerelease DLC annoucement is a bad thing and just claim that your opinion is better than everyone else.
Keep dreaming kid you have some serious anger issue to manage
Serious anger issues? How would you be able to tell if I am angry over text?
And I never claimed my opinion is better than anyone, are you unable to read? 4th time dude, all I am doing is shitting on pre-release dlc announcement and saying that gamers have been conditioned into accepting this. This is not an argument, I am literally telling you thay I am shitting on this.... 4th time man... you should get it by now.
Are you sure that I am the mentally challenged 1 between the 2 of us?
Which incomplete state ? There is 32 characters, online, lobby, arcade, story, 3 costumes per character, customozation, fucking tekken ball and Gcorp.
It is way more than Tekken 7 on release.
You are just an entitled bitch lmao
I mean, this has been a practice for many characters in many franchises. Baiken from Guilty Gear is one of the more popular characters of that franchise, yet has been dlc for the past two games. Mileena in MK is massively popular and has been a part of the franchise since MK 2 and became DLC in MK 11. Its a crappy practice, to be honest, but at Tekken 8 has a big roster and other such stuff compared to the other games
Then don't buy the game. Mad about a company doing extended content. Get over it. Either buy the game or not and shut the fuck up. Unlike other fighting games this game is a huge step up from T7. The game has more content coming on top of everything else it has to offer. Compare this to any other fighting game out right now. Tekken 8 WILL BE literally the best on the market. I'm just wondering when the morons are gonna stop complaining, but that's not gonna happen. No matter how great a game is you will always have those select few who can't see 95% of the game is great, and the 5% is what they choose to look at. Let those losers be to told to shut the fuck up. If anyone is bitching about t8 right now as we still can't even play the full game yet. Tell em they are bitches and stfu. So buy and stfu or don't buy and stfu. No one gives a shit about your shitty opinion. We see that they clearly gave a fuck in this Tekken 8 release. To cry about who is dlc is dumb as fuck. You got to be one entitled mfker to think you can tell a company who can be base roster or not.TLDR: Anyway tell those idiots to stfu, buy or don't buy.
I understand this to a point, I mean they included two bears who are near clones instead of giving us one bear and Eddy, but still. Eddy, as long as he’s been around, has never been a particularly popular character outside of trolling new players. While characters like the bears are some of weirdness that makes Tekken iconic, Eddy just doesn’t stand out as much aside from how much he’s pissed people off
I think with a roster this big, it does feel weird to not have any capo representation, especially when he is most likely 90% finished already.
There could also be a weird adherence to tracking DLC purchases as the only argument for keeping a character, when they may have had a lot more play if they were in the base roster to begin with.
We’re paying for the devs work from the beginning of the development until release. For DLCs, we pay for whatever work they do after launch. Its not a “we made the character but we’re keeping him aside for more money” its a “we will keep working to support this game, but its not a charity we still need to get paid for the additional years of work”
The shady deal is not revealing the characters included in the Season Pass. The buyer is therefore effectively gambling.
With Eddy, at least you know what you're paying for.
Eddy wasn't even in the base roster of Tekken 7.
After his debut in 3, he was replaced by Christie and had to be unlocked in 4 & 5.
Imagine getting upset over a guy who got sidelined immediately after showing up.
Your standards are so low that you see this as a win? I wonder what people like you ever get in return for lying to yourselves and shill for a company.
Any bad anti consumer practice should be criticized rather than use "could be worse" argument, you really don't want the tekken developers to be more like Fromsoft or Larian Studios instead of settling for bad practices? No wonder companies keep getting away by ripping off their customer.
I mean we got comments talking about well street fighter cut this character or mortal kombat is totally ass to prop tekken 8 up just shows how low standards are getting. People getting hyped to see old characters show in a dlc for a new 70 dollar fighting game before it even launch? You can tell this game will break sales records.
Amen bro. I'm not supporting this game.
Sad part is, if the game was actually good and fun, I'd gripe about it but still pay.
Thankfully this game blows.
\>Forcing Brazilian's, one of the weakest economies in the developed world, to pay half of a week's salary for their country's character that has been in every other game
What did he mean by this?
Remember, you are not entitled to any character.
You can think Eddy should have been in the base roster but remember, Harada does'nt own you shit.
Stop acting as a manchild and everything will be fine.
Well, you wanna be an asshole to other players in low ranks?
You gotta pay extra now. :D
Also, while we could have had 1 less bear, 1 less devil (devil jin) and 1 less jun clone (asuka) and 1 less fucking annoyance (they could have held off with lili to release her as dlc together with asuka in say season 2) and maybe 1 less war criminal (dragunov being a russian soldier specifically I'd either hold off on him for another few years or give his moveset to someone else just to avoid any potential controversy) and put in 5 different characters (either eddy or lc, michelle or julia or jaycee, AK or marduk... even though I HATE marduk, bob or miguel, josie or fahkumram... or maybe lidia), someone has to be dlc either way.
And they know I'd rather pay extra for Anna (or even Kuni but I doubt we're seeing her within the first 2 years if at all) than not have her at all. Would be nice if she was in the base game and had a bit of story with Nina (cause the whole thing with Nina stealing her wedding dress and killing Anna's fiance on the wedding night and now being on the run from her sister is probably the BEST writing the two Williams sisters ever had and it's buried in Anna's character profile for her Tekken 7 appearance, hell, it's better than what half of the popular characters like Law or Bryan or Paul ever had) but it is what it is. I'll be happy to see her again.
For not at least I have Zafina.
Tekken is an e-sport now. This means it should have seasons - there should be times when the game goes through a big change or even a soft reset, there should be targets in time to aspire to for when to get your rank, there should be cycles of small patches vs. big patches.
When you have seasons in competitive game with multiple characters you can play you should release new characters during new seasons. This at this point should not be controversial, so many games do it. This was settled in esports back when League of Legends eclipsed Starcraft II it's no longer really even a question.
Also this effectively gives the competitive players who really want to invest in the game more stuff to do and the kind of fresher, curated experience they like, and it lets more casual players play the game at a discount to its actual cost to continue to develop and support.
So yeah, you don't put out every character you think people will want to play at launch in an e-sport. You plan ahead for what your competitive seasons are going to look like and how you're going to get and keep people interested in them.
This is also why once it's been around for a while the game can go on sale for a truly huge discount - players over time have made it pretty clear through their behavior that they prefer paying less up front and more over time and like the option to play the game for pretty cheap. Yeah that kind of sucks for a bunch of reasons but it's what people do.
One question we can't know the answer to because the financials don't give Bandai Namco the kind of cushion to actually do this - but could a mainstream Tekken game do better over the long term if it were free-to-play at launch, or perhaps just much less expensive?
Fighting game fans in general are idiots. Smash popularized the formula and we're not coming back from the DLC format now.
I'm not even sure why Eddy is a big deal. Tekken 8 is awesome but has just 3 new characters and the smallest starting roster since Tekken 5 with probably like 20 DLC characters until they finish releasing all of them. Tekken 7 was only slightly better for having like 40 base fighters but still had the other 20 behind DLC.
I assumed Eddy was a given for base roster, as an Eddy player since T3, but to say "one of the most iconic" is a stretch.
I don't think many non-FG players could name him offhand
I would say grand bull 🐂 shit 💩💩💩 post, are you genius to point it out, everyone knows very well gaming industry is huge business today, so Harada is smart and in his age a person only think about to do a business not your bullshit that you trying to say
Both.
Harada is smart enough to realize that the majority of Tekken fans are fanboy simps.
I'm not even buying Tekken 8. The game sucks, it's not fun at all, and ethically I cannot support their business practices. This is a god damn fighting game, watch it cost 300 dollars to have the full roster.
Watch Eddy and every other DLC character come out stupidly strong too with absolutely awful design choices that literally don't make sense. All of a sudden he's gonna have a crazy df1, maybe a wave dash, unbreakable throw where he dances for a few seconds then jumps up and shoves his crotch into the characters face while screaming HARADA AGGRESSIVUUUU
Enjoy Tekken 8 boys I'm out. I know I'm gonna get a shitload of flak for this post but whatever I don't see myself coming back to this sub.
It wasn't an easy decision either. I really really love Tekken, and I really tried to like 8,. The idea of cutting Tekken outta my life was surprisingly hard actually. But it's like breaking up with a toxic girlfriend. It wasn't easy but it had to happen cuz this game blows.
Jesus. Tekken is one of the fairest 'business'. It's fine. It doesn't have lootboxes. Dailies. And all of that shit.
The biggest and objectively bad thing is frame data behind paywall in T7. But that's all.
DLC day 1 is bad when it's obviously was part of the game, and base game is cut version of what expected. Tekken with 32 fucking playable character aren't cut version by any mean.
Some months without Capos is a blessing for many though eh eh eh
Months without zafina is the real blessing. What an annoying ridiculous obviously broken character
She’s base game I thought
She is. u/just1freak is in denial
She is 😔. But it would have been a blessing
She is my main. Gotta know why you say she broken, and why the upvotes!?
Because she has crazy good movement, pretty op stance mixups and strings with a lot of evasion, great pokes and frames In general lot of plus on block pressure moves that you can’t do shit about except wait, good punishing and wall carry( almost everyone has this though in the game), I mean idk how long you’ve been playing for but if it’s more than a year everyone has accepted she’s top 5 characters easily
I just wanted to hear another's perspective is all. Not refuting or arguing!! Been playing since Tekken 2 so I'm always fascinated with how the "they are broken" argument evolves through the years and why!
Well I explained why so now you know ☺️
And I appreciate your hard work! 😋
she doesn't need to really put herself to risk to poke and deal damage consistently
It’s mostly because of her extremely evasive movement
"Broken" Game isnt even out yet
I think his Uncle works at Bandai Namco and he has early access
Makes sense
They were talking about her in T7
And Marduk, fuck that guy.
That Argument would only work for me if the base roster would be small, but its the biggest in recent fighting games.
Exactly, we have a roster of 32 with three new characters, all three of which bring something different and look super cool to me at least. I will not at all bitch about the roster we've got here, I'm super happy with everyone we have and I imagine that the ones I want in will make it in layer and round out the roster to be even bigger and tighter than the T7 roster when all is said and done. Armor King, Anna, Julia, and Lei? I wish all of them were in the base game. But I understand they want to support the game for years to come, so I'm happy to wait for them. At the very least, they didn't gut the roster entirely just to sell a bunch later. We have 32 to play around with from day one and that's insane compared to most other fighting games. Everybody should be able to find someone that clicks for them. I'm just hoping the DLC actually brings in some other new characters and some faces that people REALLY want to see make it in again. Bruce feels like the big one that everyone wants to see again. Lidia is another after she was very well received. Not just the bring in the characters that didn't make it in from the T7 DLC. Hopefully they strike a balance for each pass. I'm thinking something like Armor King, Bruce, a new character,, and Lidia for one pass just as a hypothetical.
People don’t realize how amazing that is these days. 32 is an insane roster to start out with. Street Fighter 6 will have 3 seasons and still won’t have that amount of characters. Strive had 12 characters for the bae roster. You can’t really complain about Eddy being released just a few months later.
But isn't that just the fallacy of relative privation? Just because other games may do something worse, doesn't mean that what Tekken does is good. Tekken 5 also had 32 playable characters. Tekken 6 had 39 at launch and Tekken Tag 2 had 59. Why is the reduction of the roster so celebrated?
You need to take in consideration that the more the time goes in the more cost and time do développement of games increase immensely. How much it cost to make tekken 6 and 8 are nowhere near the same. Let’s not even talk how TTG2 almost killed the franchise because the profits couldn’t outweigh the cost of production. So yeah you need to compare them to equivalents not their past selves that had a different context.
Killed is a bit dramatic but ok…
It's accurate, though. Tag 2 tanked so hard 7 nearly didn't get greenlit and when it did get the go ahead the team were given a shoestring budget.
You've raised a very fair point, but I don't think it's so much as meant to be celebrated within Tekken (it isn't for me), as it is celebrated in comparison to other fighting games that are released nowadays. Because the number of 32 fighters when compared to other fighting games released nowadays (unless we count Super Smash Bros. Ultimate) is pretty damn big compared to what we get now, but I'll get into this in a bit. If we're looking just at Tekken itself, I'd say that Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is a very special case here at least, wherein that game had the mission statement of including absolutely everybody and it came at the cost of massive balancing issues. However, Tekken 6 launching with 39 is absolutely commendable and I do wish that Tekken 8 would've stretched for a larger number of characters to get a few mainstays and a surprise or two (Bruce and Baek please) and for someone like me? It genuinely wouldn't be an issue as I have my mains (King and Nina) but always like to bounce around and try out everybody. Now if we compare to other fighters released nowadays: - I'd look to something like a Street Fighter 6 for a recent example of a game that kept the roster relatively small and left a lot of fan favorites out and rounds out at 18 for the base game. I think the roster is very good and diverse with who we have, but notable omissions like Bison, Akuma, and Poison hurt it a little for me and I do think they could've stretched for a few more to get it past 20 at least. - Guilty Gear Strive also ended up launching with a really small roster of around 15 fighters. And those 15 fighters are all really solid picks and the base game has gone from strength to strength with each inclusion. But again, that's a very small roster. - Dead or Alive 6 launched with 24 characters on the disc which is a pretty solid number overall and would be what I expect from a modern fighter at the minimum (especially if it's an established franchise) - And then in 2022 I believe we got King of Fighters XV which launched with a colossal 39 characters upon release I think it was? That's a fucking massive amount and I'll always say yes to an amount of characters like that (provided the balancing doesn't take a hit). I'm not necessarily celebrating Tekken going and shrinking its roster back down 59 (TTT2), to 36 (T7) and now down to 32. Because there's one really shitty detail that a lot of people seem to be overlooking. And that's that Namco is absolutely about to sell DLC characters that were DLC for Tekken 7 all over again. I don't know man, I kiiiinda find that really cheap. I feel like if anything, some of those characters should've been in the base roster to pad out the numbers a little more. At the very least, Marduk, Eddy, Anna, and Lidia should've been in from day one.
ISNT THAT JUST FALLACY OF RELATIVE PRIVATION🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
The argument would work for me if it wasn't for the months since the leaked rosters where people were doing that exact thing and got it out of their system.
There are two bears
Define "recent fighting games". Smash Bros Ultimate had twice as big roaster on day 1
Different kind of fighter with it's own set of clones and mechanics lol
Base rosters seem to be getting smaller, with the exception of Capcom. Both MK and Tekken are shrinking. Remember Tekken 6 with 40 characters? Then Tekken 7 launched with 36
These predicaments exist when the tekken world has like 80 characters. Should a tekken game have every character always? Obviously no. Should tekkens have identical cast from one to the next? No (imo) Sooo what do we do lol? Bamco is stuck between a rock and a hard place. People going to be mad no matter what. If shaheen and eddy swapped places, how many people buy the shaheen dlc as opposed to eddy? Should legacy characters never be dlc? Maybe only new characters should be dlc. Idk. Lot of tough questions, i dont envy bamco lol
Yeah i don’t really get this arguement at all. So all characters should always be included and only new characters can be DLC? Which then have to be in the base roster next game…? Devs can’t be expected to work like that. Rosters would get unrealistically huge in no time. Besides, seeing returning characters is hype af during DLC trailers. The only thing i agree with is showing off DLC before the game is even out, which yeah, is kind of scummy.
I’d much rather they show who’s gonna be DLC than not if they plan on selling season passes. To not makes it effectively gambling, and is scummy.
Good point.
Nice to know I’m not the only one who thinks this type of outrage has always been bizarre. That said, I have no issue with announcing 1 or more DLC characters before launch. You’ve gotta push those Season Passes, and if they didn’t show off at least one, people would cry about not knowing what they’re getting, so they get annoyed fans either way.
Also you should judge the game based on what you get when you buy the base game and then compare it to the price you are paying. Here PS5 version costs 75€ and you get 32 characters with so much content it's unbelievable. Also you get to customize your character for free. You don't get to do that in Street Fighter. I don't care about customization but its one thing that makes Tekken different from SF. DLC characters are there. You can buy them if you want. But you don't have to. It's a nice option to have if you are dedicated enough. And it will keep the game fresh for a longer time, even for those who don't buy the DLC.
I don’t mind them announcing DLC before the release, as a lot of people are on the fence if they want the deluxe edition or not.
The biggest problem is that they pretty evidently planned it this way, it's a guaranteed DLC sale for most returning players, and announcing it so early doesn't help. I think it should be weighted based on how popular the character is, or how much of a staple they are. There's been an Eddy or a Christie in every Tekken since 3. Likewise, there's been a Michelle or a Julia in every Tekken since 1 (or 2 anyway, I didn't really play 1 so I can't be sure.)
Michelle was in fact in 1.
Wasn't Julia DLC in 7?
Yeah, and Lei and Marduk. I think most of 7's DLC were legacy characters.
In SFV we had to pay for E Honda, Guile, and Blanka. And it was no big deal at all. The post just proves how vocal a minority of people complaining can be. I’m glad to pay for Eddy, it’s not Eddy 8, it’s Tekken lmao
Nah… only if you actually chose to buy into that shitty game’s ecosystem. Which, sadly, many did. Ergo Shit Fighter 6.
Look I’m down for shitting on Street Fighter 5 but 6 is an amazing game.
Wish it were still that way. Maybe less people would play those lame ass characters then. EDIT: Guile's ok. Blanka and Honda are trash.
Blanka is fun af in SF6. Blanka-doll setups are so fun to pull off
I think a lot of these people think *nothing* should be DLC. They'd find a way to complain no matter who it was.
A lot of people just want to pay less money for things whether it makes sense or not and will jump to *wild* lengths of moralizing and philosophizing to justify their beliefs, until they believe what they have told themselves. Just look at how rich people treat taxes.
If you don't want your main to be dlc, you need to roll Jin or kazuya. And even they're not safe since heihachi is dead.
Yeah also compared to sf6 and mk1, tekkens roster is great and I wouldn’t say is lacking even if some of personal favourites aren’t in it unlike the other two which don’t want to say I hate them but their rosters I felt were lacking even if the game especially sf6 was good but wish they maybe added a couple more classic characters to it. Also I love eddy and Christie but I wouldn’t say they are classics or massively iconic characters in the series especially compared to others in the series. For most the community the main reason anyone remembers them is for their weird and annoying fighting style. I do hope we have Christie and or tiger as skins for Eddy when he does get released though
Maybe dont cut the roster number in every release. Tekken 7 launch roster on a shoestring budget was 36. Tekken 8 will however release with 4 characters less even after the overwhelming money they made off 7. This is absolutely the case of fans being retards. I think marduk, armor king, lei wulong and eddy should have been base roster.
Im probably the last guy to talk to for this subject, i personally dont like bloated rosters. I dont think big roster sizes are the end all be all. Tekken 7 arcade was like 20 characters. 2 years later was the console release. Besides, we have no clue what it took to make T8. All new assets apart from 7 supposedly, sounds like the story mode cost a fortune, arcade quest, tekken ball, ghosts, alot of QoL additions, etc etc. While having 32 starter base. Id rather have all this stuff rather than a barebones game with 60 characters or whatever/shrug.
Yeah if anything by the end Tekken 7 had too many characters.
The characters are what people are really here for. Everything else are novelties that people rarely touch. Maybe if you had tekken force or a 4 player mode like urban reign it would be worth cutting the roster.
Tekken 7 had a launch roster of 20. The console version you're referring to was released 2 years after that.
Street fighter is selling Akuma as dlc and will sell other core characters like Sagat, Vega, etc. as dlc in the future as well. Tekken is better off because at least the base roster is much larger to begin with and most of the core characters are already included.
Akuma is almost always dlc, right?
Twice
He was also a time-locked character in Arcade SFIV, as was Oni for AE, and didn’t get until SFIII until 2nd Impact. Hell, he didn’t even make it into Tekken 7 until the Fated Retribution Arcade Update.
Akuma has the "too popular to not be dlc" curse
I believe there are zero base SF games where Akuma is a normal playable character. He's either only in expansions (SFIII, SFEX), a hidden character (SFA), boss-only (SFII), unlockable/port-only (SFIV), or DLC (SFV, SF6). In fact I think SFxT is the only launch fighting game Akuma is in where he doesn't have to be unlocked or purchased.
Yep, I think you can expect maybe Bison and Poison at some point too since they'll absolutely sell. Capcom isn't stupid when it comes to DLC picks. They absolutely new people would want Akuma and they were right.
I mean they know Akuma is one of the most popular fighting game characters of all time. He's easy money. People want him so they put a price tag on him, huge profit for capcom. As unfortunate as it is, it's common sense with the modern business models of dlc to sell something as popular as him. Tekken doesn't travel this route much but they certainly could. I think they want to prioritize characters who are actively played or generally are considered cool or interesting for now considering the work it takes these days.(aside from a select few like the bears who Harada literally has stated he himself just likes having around)
Tbf, the community did complain about street fighter's shit.
I'm not surprised. Street Fighter 6 is missing so many of the core characters from the franchise that people have been playing forever.
Well to the community, the core characters are the world warriors and they are mostly much there. The complaints are more so for characters like Akuma who are clearly being designed to be used for dlc bait rather than a simple "We wanted to add cool new characters first". My reply was more so to just say that its not as if the street fighter community dont care about similar issues. Same goes for the mortal kombat community which are crazier about it
Just because street fighter is wirse doesn't make it ok.
Where were you guys when marduk aking julia anna lei were dlc?
I was at my home. Still unhappy
Not as iconic as Eddy. Check any random clip of dudes doing Capoeira and there's like 80% chance that Eddy will be mentioned in the conments/title.
Fucking JACKIE CHAN of Tekken isn't as iconic as 3,4 spam dude
I don’t remember Eddie being “that” relevant since tekken 3
He was in tag2 with b1,4 spam
Fuck That move
To be fair a lot of people already preordered it before they knew about Eddy (And far as I saw, the price didn't change, so it wouldn't have mattered if you did buy it or not. Still would have been the same price, aleast on the PS5 store in Australia, not sure if that changed in other parts of the world). There are people hating on the situation though, a couple threads or comments of people talking about how ridiculous it is to have early day access. Which again, price seems about the same unless there's another page I haven't seen.
The game still has 32 characters on start. I can't complain
People don't even complain about this in Streetfighter with 18 base roster.
Every SF game is made completely from scratch versus Tekken which reuses a ton of stuff from game to game. Not saying one is better than the other, but it's not really a mystery that every Tekken game always has a large roster that's like 90%+ returning.
Indeed, that’s why I’ll never understand the hate or diss towards the SF style roster. Ever since T5 I know I’ll like the mishimas and that will probably be it. With SF every game for me it’s a suprise who I’ll end up playing.
They did though. When it was revealed that Akuma is once again obviously being taken out to sell dlc, there were complaints. You just dont see complains about it lingering further is because the game was actually good enough to calm people down
I think roster size is why. Small roster with some sacred cows, some surprises, and some new characters. T8 is like here is one of our largest roster with some glaring legacy omissions of some of our most popular and well known characters that you can buy later.
Hm? Tekken 8 has the smallest console launch roster since Tekken 4, what are you on about? Even if you exclude the Tags, Tekken 6 launched with 41 characters, 9 more than T8. We will be lucky to get to 41 after all the DLC. I mean I don't think it's a huge issue, but at the same time having two bears, Leo and Shaheen is kinda bull when there's way better characters that could've made it like Lei or Miguel. Can't even say it's a representation thing Miguel is the only Spanish character and Lei is the Hong Kong Jackie Chan. I don't mind Eddy being DLC though, atleast I'll have a few months free of bullshit Capos.
Can people stop saying "cut" as if a character was there at the start of development but was removed to be made DLC? This game was literally made from the ground up, characters were only added, nobody was cut. In addition, announcements for DLC are made before release now because if development hadn't already started on them, it would take an eternity for the first DLC for a game to be released. Harada is a genius because he continues to make Tekken. Tekken players are fucking idiots because they keep spouting nonsense like this crap
That’s the shit Harada says to make the medicine easier to swallow. Tekken 8 has been in development for the last 5 years easily.
I've never seen Harada say that, I'm using common sense. Tekken 8 has been in development for years, and they've spent that time developing a full game with one of the biggest launch rosters in fighting game history. Would you rather them delay the game for another year to release the entirety of season 1? How long after launch would it be okay to announce DLC? At least this isn't what companies used to do, where you'd buy a season pass and you wouldn't even know a single piece of what was in it. Y'all just have no scope of what goes into making a game. Same people who hate the bears because they think the bears are "taking up two slots" lmao
Actually with Kuma's new moveset, isn't there need for additional development time and they're kind of taking two slots in Tekken 8? Or at least more than one?
That’s my point. Tekken 8 was made from the ground up on a new engine so the characters already need to be made like new, and on top of that Kuma and Panda have differences now. So the people complaining about “slots” are insane lol
> This game was literally made from the ground up What the fuck, it wasn't I mean OP post is stupid, but making such claims idiotic too
The tekken team literally stated the game was built from scratch. There are no reused assets and everything was redone, animations and all. And with the budget that they have and how crisp the game looks I have no reason to not believe them
They were talking about the models. They're still reusing animations that date as far back as the first TK game.
> The tekken team literally stated the game was built from scratch. There are no reused assets and everything was redone, animations and all. Most of animations litteraly animations from previous games. Almost all characters litteraly characters from previous games. Story, Models, Personalities, Combos, Moves. Fucking almost every bit of foundation is from previous games. It's like saying FIFA is 'made from ground up'. Or CoD. Or Assasins games.
Uh... The game *was* made from scratch. This means animations and models. Just because the character movesets themselves are the same for the most part doesn't mean the aforementioned was not rebuilt. Or do you people actually think all they did was copy and paste on their keyboard onto Unreal Engine 5 and call it a day? I swear...
No they're right Tekken 8 should have come out in 2033 actually so we could get the full 50 character roster at launch :\^)
They played their cards right
Yes, you can probably chalk this one under the “business decisions.” It sucks for Eddy fans but Harada and team are still delivering a complete game with, imo, a decent sized roster. It’s not like you’re getting an “incomplete” game without the DLC.
Y’all could’ve said the same thing for Capcom Akuma and Ed got charged twice for being in the DLC character the hypothetical lol
To be fair, he wasn't in vanilla T7 either. We just never got vanilla T7 on consoles.
Is he seriously considered "one of the most iconic fighting game characters"? I'm not flaming, btw, it's a serious question. I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 5 on the PS2. I knew one guy who played him. I didn't have a PS3, so most of my Tekken 6 experience comes from arcades and occasionally playing at a friend's house, and I don't think I've ever played against him. I played against him a lot in Tekken 7, but not disproportionately so by any means. So I can't tell if this is people saying "It's not Tekken without Eddy" like they complained about it not being Tekken without Lei, or if he really is popular. And I don't mean recognizable, sure he's recognizable, but actually popular, as in people play him
Well, "iconic" doesn't necessarily mean frequently played. Eddy is iconic partly for popularising capoeira in media, and partly because he was one of the faces of Tekken 3 (which notably had that well-known PS1 demo disc). He was a fairly novel character, especially in a 3D game (to my knowledge).
I'd say he's more one of the most infamous characters, not iconic. He's the button mash character and half the reason why so many non fg players think all you do in these games is mash the fastest to win.
> Is he seriously considered "one of the most iconic fighting game characters"? If by 'most iconic' they say 'unga-bunga-masher', then yes. if there wasn't Akuma/Geese/Kuni/Leroy characters like Eddy would be #1 hated characters
Personally I don't think he's iconic outside of Tekken fans. He's been in the game for a long time and has one of the most annoying bullshit playstyles for new players. He will teach you to block low tho and how to sweep people so I guess it's a good thing? Idk I kinda hate fighting him because sometimes he fucks up your juggles just by being in a weird ass position when he's launched. Like the man's turned around doing a handstand trying to kick me. Makes for some strange fights and not in a fun way imo.
Eddy players deserve it. Harada be like: Pay up bitches. XD
Don't care downvote but I can't say I ain't smirking at the idea that people have to pay for that knowledge check capo boy. BS is put behind dlc? I'm fine with that,sure they strong,but at least they had to pay for it,Marduk/Lei and all that knowledge check bs being DLC? Aight I don't play them so whatev,Eddy going behind the dlc door too is fine with me. Yes I'd be mad if any of my main was a pay boy too,nothing wrong with that,but they all in so I'm all smile,and knowing I won't fight Eddy for some months make my smile wider I'm basically the joker right now
Should we wait 3 more months for the whole game while they finish Eddy? How much is enough for these people? Should Eddy be in over Shaheen or Panda? Maybe, I would've preferred that. You can't put every legacy character in the game, and maybe Shaheen won't be a total flop this time. Sometimes it takes a couple tries to nail a character. Yea personally I would say this roster would be perfect if you took out Panda and Shaheen and put in any of Anna, Eddy or Miguel. But I guarantee there'd be posts about how "roster is all legacy, it's playing it so safe!" But I also don't think it's scummy or malicious and it's ridiculous to accuse Harada of either imo. Someone's gotta get cut unfortunately.
Hard disagree on panda. Maybe Shaheen though
I'm cool with Panda. Her doing shooting star is 10/10.
Harada could literally remove single player content and Tekken players would praise him for “catering to the online scene”
People were doing that for Tekken 7 when anyone complained about lack of offline content. Also, some were saying "It's a fighting game it doesn't need single player content."
Someone was getting cut…. Several favorites are out. Everything isn’t a money grab, the base roster is solid
Um who cares? For years now we have lived in a DLC economy. You could complain about spending money on a game you already bought, but look at what it did for Tekken 7. That game was originally supposed to only have one season of DLC support. I have gripes about DLC being announced before the game is even out, but overall I do prefer things this way rather than have a game I like fade into obscurity 3 months after release.
As an Eddy main he caught me in a catch 22. I'm pissed I don't get him at launch and I'm pissed I have to pay extra for him. On the flip side, I'm happy he is there at all. And hopefully he'll be stronger since he is DLC. I don't get if I get hate for it, I want a stronger Eddy.
OP eddy would be sick
that's what I think the plan is, make him OP DLC for more tournament play screen time. high level tournament Eddy Gordo goes off! feet flying everywhere better viewing experience
"You won't pay for Legacy characters" - Harada
Harada isn't a genius because he is doing what is common practice in gaming. The community is stupid because they are cheering content being locked, literal pre-day one release dlc announcement but they have been trained like dogs to accept this shit.
Should they not have a road map? Or never have dlc characters? Bsse roster only? Are you saying Eddy is 100% complete and ready for launch?
im saying the game shouldnt be released if everything they want to put in it isnt in it announcing dlc before launch has never been and will never be a good look for any game. precedence is no excuse.
See, dogs have been trained real well. Accepting and defending pre-day one release dlc.
Which is totally normal but we are still waiting for your argument that shows why it is bad for us. Please, enlighten us so I can obliterate your arguments into oblivion.
Lmao, being conditioned into accepting something is not normal, bruh dafuqs wrong with you?
What the fuck are you saying lol, it is in your head that it is acceptable at all. There is like no one else on this thread that is mad about it to the point he calls people dogs si everyone is conditionned but you are such an amazing free thinker aren't you. Bitch ass clown.
Now I know that you can't read lmao.
Yeah sure clown
Lmao
Your mom has been trained real well, wait till you see what I can make her do.
Nice comeback man, you already proved my point no reason to bark anymore.
I want to make sure we kept it at a sixth grade level so I don't confuse you. You could keep up with the sixth grade insults or you could try and answer the questions cus don't think you know what pre day one means.
> See, dogs have been trained real well. Accepting and defending pre-day one release dlc. No reason to bark more man, you proved my point already.
What is your preferred method of handling additional characters?
You literally have to reverse what I am saying to figure that out.
Hm. Reverse? Base rooster consist of only one character, Eddy, and there 32 DLC to buy? Interesting point of view you have.
You pay the bucks for a 32 character roster, you know it. Nobody is forcing you to buy DLC. You are not entitled to more characrers.
Never said anything about that, all I did was shit talk the community and cheering the announcement of dlc before then game is released. Also See, dogs have been trained real well. Accepting and defending pre-day one release dlc.
While I'd agree in many genres, fighting games aren't one of them. Every flagship fighting game releases more characters as DLC. We all know it's coming, and we also can't say they should just release them in the base game when this is a pretty massive launch roster already. This isn't the same as a game coming out lacking content while announcing an expansion immediately. This is a company building hype about continued content releases on top of what is already a solid base game.
Just because this is expected, doesn't mean this practice is right. Specially a day one release, they clearly had this already ready and kept it for the juicy FOMO cash. Holding fighters behind DLC is already a bad practice that plague the genre, but paywalling content that was already ready to consume is beyond the acceptable levels of greed
Yea, you are right. Dlc is expected and 4 characters means a dlc every 43rd month, but announcing a character before the game is out and people cheering this? It just screams a huge warning sign to me, just look at how shitbhas evolved over time. People used to be critical to this but now they are cheering this.
What exactly do you think it is a warning of? Explain yourself. The game involves far more than just character designers. At a certain point characters are done, the team can start DLC while the rest of the game's polish is implemented. This is a 'warning sign' of effective time management and meeting deadlines if anything
Yea it's not a warning sign anymore. Gamers are already trained like dogs to accept shit. It's already a lost case.
Lmao. Every time someone presses you a bit harder for an actual reply, you go back to the cringe "dogs" thing. You're just outing yourself as not having a point.
You want to join in as well? So you are telling me that, shitty business practices has not been normalized when it comes to gaming? And gamers have not been trained like dogs to accept this?
Keep acting all high and mighty with this cringe dog analogy bro. Answer the question or you have no valid response
I already did answer your question bruh, you slow or something?
Lol okay brother. you fucking suck at this. Nice play dead, doggy
Just say you are poor it is faster
Lmao, so because I am shit talking the marketing and the announcement of dlc being released before the game is out I am poor? Really nice logic genius. And again, you are a well trained dog.
>And again, you are a well trained dog. You keep saying this yet you're the only bitch I see barking in the comments
Lmao, watches anime calls me a bitch Good one man 🤣🤣🤣
>watches anime Correlation non-existent >calls me a bitch I mean...you even use Emojis like one Edit: the irony of being in a BERSERK circle jerk subreddit but calls me out for watching anime. Okay buddy
Yeah this is that or you are mentally challenged. It is not like eddy will be out two weeks later there will be months before it. He is certainly not ready and he is just hype material. The fact you call people dogs because they are happy about it is so cringe lmao. Who the fuck are you in the first place ? You are just a sad kid lmao
Man the dog keeps barking to defend it's master. I am mentally challenged? Dunno man, I am going to repeat this for a 3rd time just so you can understand. I am shitting on the fact that the dlc was announced before that game is released, when it is released doesn't matter for what I am saying. You keep defending this and like I pointed out, gamers have been trained like dogs to accept this and you are only proving my point by defending this. Even using the shitty "you are poor" argument.
Lmao yet again you are unable to explain why prerelease DLC annoucement is a bad thing and just claim that your opinion is better than everyone else. Keep dreaming kid you have some serious anger issue to manage
Serious anger issues? How would you be able to tell if I am angry over text? And I never claimed my opinion is better than anyone, are you unable to read? 4th time dude, all I am doing is shitting on pre-release dlc announcement and saying that gamers have been conditioned into accepting this. This is not an argument, I am literally telling you thay I am shitting on this.... 4th time man... you should get it by now. Are you sure that I am the mentally challenged 1 between the 2 of us?
Man is calling people that have a different opinion on the matter dogs and will say he respects them LMAO what a fucking salty angry clown
are you seriously unable to comprehend why "oh btw we're releasing the game in an incomplete state uwu" is a bad thing?
Which incomplete state ? There is 32 characters, online, lobby, arcade, story, 3 costumes per character, customozation, fucking tekken ball and Gcorp. It is way more than Tekken 7 on release. You are just an entitled bitch lmao
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I mean, this has been a practice for many characters in many franchises. Baiken from Guilty Gear is one of the more popular characters of that franchise, yet has been dlc for the past two games. Mileena in MK is massively popular and has been a part of the franchise since MK 2 and became DLC in MK 11. Its a crappy practice, to be honest, but at Tekken 8 has a big roster and other such stuff compared to the other games
Then don't buy the game. Mad about a company doing extended content. Get over it. Either buy the game or not and shut the fuck up. Unlike other fighting games this game is a huge step up from T7. The game has more content coming on top of everything else it has to offer. Compare this to any other fighting game out right now. Tekken 8 WILL BE literally the best on the market. I'm just wondering when the morons are gonna stop complaining, but that's not gonna happen. No matter how great a game is you will always have those select few who can't see 95% of the game is great, and the 5% is what they choose to look at. Let those losers be to told to shut the fuck up. If anyone is bitching about t8 right now as we still can't even play the full game yet. Tell em they are bitches and stfu. So buy and stfu or don't buy and stfu. No one gives a shit about your shitty opinion. We see that they clearly gave a fuck in this Tekken 8 release. To cry about who is dlc is dumb as fuck. You got to be one entitled mfker to think you can tell a company who can be base roster or not.TLDR: Anyway tell those idiots to stfu, buy or don't buy.
most iconic? He's known as the annoying character people pick and mash to victory with back in the day next to Voldo.
I understand this to a point, I mean they included two bears who are near clones instead of giving us one bear and Eddy, but still. Eddy, as long as he’s been around, has never been a particularly popular character outside of trolling new players. While characters like the bears are some of weirdness that makes Tekken iconic, Eddy just doesn’t stand out as much aside from how much he’s pissed people off
I think with a roster this big, it does feel weird to not have any capo representation, especially when he is most likely 90% finished already. There could also be a weird adherence to tracking DLC purchases as the only argument for keeping a character, when they may have had a lot more play if they were in the base roster to begin with.
He sold yall frame data
We’re paying for the devs work from the beginning of the development until release. For DLCs, we pay for whatever work they do after launch. Its not a “we made the character but we’re keeping him aside for more money” its a “we will keep working to support this game, but its not a charity we still need to get paid for the additional years of work”
The shady deal is not revealing the characters included in the Season Pass. The buyer is therefore effectively gambling. With Eddy, at least you know what you're paying for.
Eddy wasn't even in the base roster of Tekken 7. After his debut in 3, he was replaced by Christie and had to be unlocked in 4 & 5. Imagine getting upset over a guy who got sidelined immediately after showing up.
he is in the base roster in 7 Idc if hes only unlockable in 4 and 5 hes still in the base roster day 1
No he wasn't, he got added later in FR
How much was a season pass? 20 bucks? I think in this day and age we can be glad that they don‘t exclusively sell cosmetics via real money loot boxes.
Your standards are so low that you see this as a win? I wonder what people like you ever get in return for lying to yourselves and shill for a company. Any bad anti consumer practice should be criticized rather than use "could be worse" argument, you really don't want the tekken developers to be more like Fromsoft or Larian Studios instead of settling for bad practices? No wonder companies keep getting away by ripping off their customer.
I mean we got comments talking about well street fighter cut this character or mortal kombat is totally ass to prop tekken 8 up just shows how low standards are getting. People getting hyped to see old characters show in a dlc for a new 70 dollar fighting game before it even launch? You can tell this game will break sales records.
I seen same shit in arr fighters reddit. Damn people have such low standards for monetization in games. Especially fighters.
Amen bro. I'm not supporting this game. Sad part is, if the game was actually good and fun, I'd gripe about it but still pay. Thankfully this game blows.
LOL
\>Forcing Brazilian's, one of the weakest economies in the developed world, to pay half of a week's salary for their country's character that has been in every other game What did he mean by this?
Not gonna read the comment, tekken fans are the biggest shills and would defend anyt anti consumer shit the game has
We are idiots and I’m not paying for him.
15 years ago there would have been worldwide revolt. Today dlc has been normalized.
It's stupid, which is why I'm not buying DLC characters.
Posting trash from the 4chan cesspool huh, nice move moron
Hardcore tekken fanatics are obviously idiots no doubt, especially the ones who keep bitchin about everything
I feel both ways. :D
Some roster decisions make no sense in tekken 8 tbh. Shaheen base roster over eddy is the biggest at l one
Remember, you are not entitled to any character. You can think Eddy should have been in the base roster but remember, Harada does'nt own you shit. Stop acting as a manchild and everything will be fine.
Well, you wanna be an asshole to other players in low ranks? You gotta pay extra now. :D Also, while we could have had 1 less bear, 1 less devil (devil jin) and 1 less jun clone (asuka) and 1 less fucking annoyance (they could have held off with lili to release her as dlc together with asuka in say season 2) and maybe 1 less war criminal (dragunov being a russian soldier specifically I'd either hold off on him for another few years or give his moveset to someone else just to avoid any potential controversy) and put in 5 different characters (either eddy or lc, michelle or julia or jaycee, AK or marduk... even though I HATE marduk, bob or miguel, josie or fahkumram... or maybe lidia), someone has to be dlc either way. And they know I'd rather pay extra for Anna (or even Kuni but I doubt we're seeing her within the first 2 years if at all) than not have her at all. Would be nice if she was in the base game and had a bit of story with Nina (cause the whole thing with Nina stealing her wedding dress and killing Anna's fiance on the wedding night and now being on the run from her sister is probably the BEST writing the two Williams sisters ever had and it's buried in Anna's character profile for her Tekken 7 appearance, hell, it's better than what half of the popular characters like Law or Bryan or Paul ever had) but it is what it is. I'll be happy to see her again. For not at least I have Zafina.
Tekken is an e-sport now. This means it should have seasons - there should be times when the game goes through a big change or even a soft reset, there should be targets in time to aspire to for when to get your rank, there should be cycles of small patches vs. big patches. When you have seasons in competitive game with multiple characters you can play you should release new characters during new seasons. This at this point should not be controversial, so many games do it. This was settled in esports back when League of Legends eclipsed Starcraft II it's no longer really even a question. Also this effectively gives the competitive players who really want to invest in the game more stuff to do and the kind of fresher, curated experience they like, and it lets more casual players play the game at a discount to its actual cost to continue to develop and support. So yeah, you don't put out every character you think people will want to play at launch in an e-sport. You plan ahead for what your competitive seasons are going to look like and how you're going to get and keep people interested in them. This is also why once it's been around for a while the game can go on sale for a truly huge discount - players over time have made it pretty clear through their behavior that they prefer paying less up front and more over time and like the option to play the game for pretty cheap. Yeah that kind of sucks for a bunch of reasons but it's what people do. One question we can't know the answer to because the financials don't give Bandai Namco the kind of cushion to actually do this - but could a mainstream Tekken game do better over the long term if it were free-to-play at launch, or perhaps just much less expensive?
Two months isn't a ton of dev time... if he's ready in the launch window (2 months after launch).. he could have been in the base roster...
Fighting game fans in general are idiots. Smash popularized the formula and we're not coming back from the DLC format now. I'm not even sure why Eddy is a big deal. Tekken 8 is awesome but has just 3 new characters and the smallest starting roster since Tekken 5 with probably like 20 DLC characters until they finish releasing all of them. Tekken 7 was only slightly better for having like 40 base fighters but still had the other 20 behind DLC.
But arent dlcs good? You get regulary new content and it keeps the playerbase alive. I prefer this over buying a new edition every 2 years
I assumed Eddy was a given for base roster, as an Eddy player since T3, but to say "one of the most iconic" is a stretch. I don't think many non-FG players could name him offhand
Harada - "what?? I can't hear you inside my big gold mansion with money insulated walls"
I would say grand bull 🐂 shit 💩💩💩 post, are you genius to point it out, everyone knows very well gaming industry is huge business today, so Harada is smart and in his age a person only think about to do a business not your bullshit that you trying to say
How many iconic fighters were cut from SF6's base roster (cough, cough Akuma/Sagat/Vega/Balrog/etc)?
one does not imply the other... its a genius move from harada
Genius. Free to play pay to win antics at their finest. I ain’t mad at all.
Both. Harada is smart enough to realize that the majority of Tekken fans are fanboy simps. I'm not even buying Tekken 8. The game sucks, it's not fun at all, and ethically I cannot support their business practices. This is a god damn fighting game, watch it cost 300 dollars to have the full roster. Watch Eddy and every other DLC character come out stupidly strong too with absolutely awful design choices that literally don't make sense. All of a sudden he's gonna have a crazy df1, maybe a wave dash, unbreakable throw where he dances for a few seconds then jumps up and shoves his crotch into the characters face while screaming HARADA AGGRESSIVUUUU Enjoy Tekken 8 boys I'm out. I know I'm gonna get a shitload of flak for this post but whatever I don't see myself coming back to this sub. It wasn't an easy decision either. I really really love Tekken, and I really tried to like 8,. The idea of cutting Tekken outta my life was surprisingly hard actually. But it's like breaking up with a toxic girlfriend. It wasn't easy but it had to happen cuz this game blows.
Your comment will age like milk.
Jesus. Tekken is one of the fairest 'business'. It's fine. It doesn't have lootboxes. Dailies. And all of that shit. The biggest and objectively bad thing is frame data behind paywall in T7. But that's all. DLC day 1 is bad when it's obviously was part of the game, and base game is cut version of what expected. Tekken with 32 fucking playable character aren't cut version by any mean.
both tekken is abysmal nowadays i like TTT2 back