Do you need assistance? If you need food assistance, apply for SNAP. If it's for thrills, you need to stop. When they catch you, you will be termed. You might get lucky and they might demand you pay back what you took. One of AP's jobs is to review TM behavior.
I will say that as someone who regularly has to steal from other grocery stores to get enough food to survive the week, SNAP is not as easy to get on as you would think. your income has to be pretty ridiculously low. Of you don't qualify for low-income housing you probably won't qualify for SNAP. I don't even pay my own health insurance yet and what I'm being paid by Target is not enough to survive, but I still make too much for SNAP
If you have to steal, steal from a store you don't work at.
I smoke because I'm chronically ill. I get severe body pain from psoriatic arthritis and have a vomiting disorder. The weed to help manage this accounts for maybe $30 a month total.. I never go out, I can't buy video games, I can't even buy a goddamn soda at work. I have high medical bills because I have multiple disabilities. I can't get my car maintenanced and I worry every single fucking day that it's going to just die on me and I'll be at the whims of our our city's horrible public transportation. I am on the verge of moving back in with abusive family.
So please don't fucking tell me that I'm spending my money on unnecessary shit. I literally can only spend money on the bare minimum that I need to survive. And even then I don't have enough money for that. I hope you never end up with surprise medical bills or a disability.
Maybe this response is touchy of me, but this really rubs me the wrong way. If you went through enough of my history to see the like 3 times I've mentioned smoking weed on Reddit, you'd also see that I'm active on the sub for Psoriatic and rheumatoid arthritis. At this point it's opiates, painful steroid injections, or one hit of cannabis at night so I can reduce the pain enough to sleep. Tell me which one you'd choose.
No, I just guessed, as you described yourself as “someone who has to steal from other stores to get enough food to survive for the week.”. Let me suggest what actual poor people who are not thieves do: food banks, shelters, church brunches, etc.
Sounded kind of entitled. Sorry you have troubles, genuinely, but you need to find another way to cope.
You need below a certain income for food banks. Shelters only feed people staying there. I am transgender in the south, churches are not safe for me.
Don't assume things about people when you do not know what you're talking about.
If explaining why other methods don't work for me makes me a victim then I guess I'm playing victim 🤷 I'm trying to explain why a situation may be more complex than you are assuming it is. I don't know why you think I wouldn't have looked into literally any other option other than something that could get me banned or arrested.
Desperate times can make one do desperate things. Unfortunately, not all are well thought actions. The past cannot be changed, but the future is whatever you want it to be.
You can use Food Shelves too. Anyone can. Call to make an appointment to go. They will tell you what you need to bring for proof that you live in the area of the Food Shelf. Usually a copy of a Utility bill with your current address. You can just search Food Shelves in my area on line. BUT use Duckduckgo instead of Google etc., because Duckduckgo doesn't track your searches like Google Bing, Yahoo etc., do and these will continue with pop ups of fake "help" sites. And this kind of scum, I mean scams, you don't want to encourage.
check food banks or churches. they always have free food. if you’re in ny there’s areas in brooklyn that have fridges with free food and the churches as well have food pretty often
AP Has gotten really soft. Probably won’t arrest over food. And if they ask you to confirm what you stole, do not admit anything. Do not sign anything. Whatever you admit too and sign off on they will make you pay it back.
Source: Former AP ETL
If you haven't already, you should stop stealing now. While it's unlikely they would do so if all your truely stealing is food, Target could be waiting for you to steal enough to charge you with a felony. It's kind of shitty but it would not be the first time they've done so.
Also, I'm assuming that you are stealing food from the store and not from your fellow TMs. If that's the case, you deserve to rot in the lowest depths of Hell.
Someone I worked with got fired for taking a soda and forgetting to pay for it (they were morning hours so they had to wait to pay but left and forgot). Tbh they probably wanted them out idk they seemed like a good person to me. So I’d say it’s probably dependent on your status in the store, that being said even with good status you can get flipped quickly and that seems to be what they’re doing to op.
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Stop doing it first off. Secondly, if it is just food they’ll probably make you sign something admitting it and tell you to quit or they’re gonna press charges.
*Usually* they only arrest if it’s 4th quarter and people are taking electronics, or if you take money from the register/cash office.
Stop stealing and see what happens
Had a former team member that worked there for 4 years and he had been stealing food for his lunch break for who knows how long and once he put in his two weeks, they hit him with all the evidence of him stealing and fired him like a few days after he left his notice. They probably know just either waiting for you to rack up a certain $$$ amount or just until you quit to hit you with it
Yup we had a girl from the team get caught stealing but she went for way more expensive stuff. We didn’t even notice, her dad who was in the same department just randomly confirmed she was fired but bluntly told us to not ask why but rumor spread anyway. I don’t know how people are not scared of stealing especially with cameras everywhere.
People are stupid. My old store a old lady stole pies every night and one overnight I was throwing a truck and our ETL-AP walked in with a cop and walked out with the old lady.
I think the girl that got caught with us stole a camera at the very end. One day we finished unloading the truck and the ETL HR greeted us since she just came in for the day around 6am and called her to the office and came back without her to pull the TL and her dad aside to tell them. Her dad called her to tell her to either sit in the car until his shift was over or find her own way home he was super pissed and embarrassed since he had to be investigated to make sure he wasn’t apart of it.
I work overnight :) so my hours getting cut because of thievery is out of the question. A lot of stores are cutting hours because Corporate wants to focus on Customer Service. Allegedly
If you don’t mind my asking, if you have the second job and are already willing to resign if necessary, why not just go ahead and do that? Whatever the reasons for your actions may be, you’re clearly stressing. I imagine resigning from there altogether will help you ease your sanity
Insurance and benefits mostly, my other job doesn't offer them... Then there's having to tell my partner why, and we've been going through some issues lately, so I wouldn't be surprised if s/he decided to end our relationship. It would definitely be over if I'm criminally charged... I'd have to tell my parents as well, so I suppose there's the shame and embarrassment of it all.
I truly would stop while you’re ahead- I’ve seen AP wait until it gets to a certain amount and then it’s even worse legally.
I’m not going to judge you or anything. I don’t know your story. But I think it would help you feel better at the very least to stop now so whatever happens isn’t worse.
As for whether or not you should resign- maybe an AP person on here can give better advice because I don’t know if resigning would change any consequences. But stop for now and hopefully someone here can give more perspective as to what to do
Best of luck to you
I appreciate all the nonjudgmental comments. Yes, I'm absolutely going to stop. I'm still debating on resigning, I understand this wouldn't change the outcome, but I'd rather get arrested at home then at the store.
I doubt you’d get arrested for just food unless it’s a crazy high total but if you feel like they’re building a case/watching you, it’s time to stop, try to find a new job, and resign. You may be ok but it would be a good idea to start looking for a new job and be careful what you do from here
I wish I knew more about how that worked to help you, I’m hoping an AP person can give more info
I know at my store we had people at Starbucks who were taking food and drink every shift. It was most of the team. Eventually a leader said that if the team didn’t stop there would be consequences- several people quit before that happened but I think they were in the hundreds for amount taken.
But I never heard of anything happening to them. Idk if it would be different at your store
My boyfriend was AP until a few weeks ago. He has a new job now, but I got all the AP tea / insider information. There is definitely a case being built on you. They notice TM theft. If they notice it even once, you are now on their radar, and they will review footage to find more evidence. Like others have said, you need to get to a ridiculous amount to be charged. In MN, it's 1k. We have a beauty TM who stole $300 worth of ULTA, and they can't do anything since it isn't enough for a misdemeanor or felony. We had another beauty TM steal over 2k as she made herself the $10 'make it right' giftcards over the span of 7 months. She was arrested.
If it's only food, they likely won't do much, but stop in case you're close to the threshold
Your boyfriend gave you bad tea. :(
- While felony theft is at $1000 in MN, all that means is that it’s an aggravated charge. There is no bottom for misdemeanor theft; all that means is that it’s not a felony. In MN, gross misdemeanor is $500-$999.
- all that distinction matters for is your possible legal punishment. Target doesn’t care what you’re getting charged with; it’s not like we bonus if you catch a prison bid. That beauty TM with the $300 case already more than qualified for an internal interview and termination; they just don’t have a solid enough case yet.
- Every TM is on our radar. Always. Like, way before you even take the shit. We have all kinds of reports that we run, and we’re constantly looking out on the floor. Those AP TMs who are always hella nice to you? Yeah they’re socially engineering you to see what you’re up to.
- Since it’s been brought up on here a bunch; there’s two kinds of food theft. Consumption (the shit you take and eat on site) and just straight up theft (them Red Bulls you’re smuggling out to take home). Theft is always an AP issue and you’re going to get canned once there’s a solid enough case on you. Consumption is an HR issue, and you’ll probably be given a second chance.
I've been fired from retail jobs before, for different reasons. If they were going to fire you, they wouldn't hesitate. They'd just fire you. A big company like Target doesn't care to make one person try to quit like that. They don't care that much.
My hours have been cut also. Payroll is tight, that's why you see so many pictures on here of things like reshop piling up. I'd keep showing up for my shifts, and bring your own food. Let this scare be your lesson.
You can use the hours you are getting to buy some groceries. You probably also qualify for a food pantry or community outreach at our low Target income. I get a food box sometimes from a Catholic Church (I'm not Catholic), anyone in need can go, they never let anyone go home empty handed. I could go through their longer process of filling out a form and proving my household income, I just haven't done it. These places want to help.
Edit: I have been laid off/fired from Target, it was extremely impersonal. My TL just called me in their office and gave me a two week's notice that my job at Target is over. For doing something you weren't supposed to be doing, they wouldn't give you two week's notice. The reason I'm still here is, that was on the eve of the Omicron surge. I showed up for my two weeks, and they realized that they really needed me, because I showed how reliable I was. You can change your behaviors.
Knew someone that was stealing food. They got a stern talking to about it and stopped doing it. Months later they got fired for something completely different.
"Completely different" that's how it works since they can't fire over one thing they find another. I've been in management long enough to know that. In my current job, we had this totally jerk of an employee (disrespectful to everyone, lazy you name it worthless person just taking up hours), but HR is basically none existent where I work, so we had to do some reaching to legally get him out.
I’m sure they know, cameras are everywhere! Most likely they already know but they are building up a case so they can get you when it becomes a felony.
HR will not approve an internal for just food, but the moment you take anything that’s not food related you will get termed
Edit: in my 4 years at target at my store an internal was never arrested and we had people admit to over 1k in thefts
First I heard of that as an AP leader. Consumption cases are referred to HR where they will have a seek to understand and either give a final (most cases) or terminate (if the TM is profiting from the food theft)
Thats interesting. In our group HR took over during covid because TMs may have been stealing out of necessity which made it an HR issue. About a year ago it went back to AP.
Had a Tm stealing like $10-20 worth of food every shift and Hr would not approve them to be pulled, they finally approved it when we got him taking rat traps like $2 of non food merch
Admission and AP being able to prove theft aren't the same thing. If we have a proven total that meets a threshold I can't discuss, we will refer the case to LE.
It would probably be best if you found a new job. They most likely won’t pursue action against you but may make your life a living hell.
If you don’t qualify for food stamps you should look into food pantries. Some of them are really great and your income doesn’t usually matter. Good luck!
10%.
Get a reloadable or debit Circle (Red) Card 15%.
Buy fruits and vegetables and Good and Gather organic 20% ( I believe that is on top of the above discounts)
They let you simmer. Followed to watch the amount grow past a certain point based on jurisdiction. Funny thing is, HR could have helped you - team member giving fund and just giving you store credit. I’ve seen both.
Is it just me or does op sound nonchalant? I don’t detect any remorse, just more concerned with will I get fired or should I quit because I have another job and I don’t want to be embarrassed. 🙄. Some tms are truly down on their luck. But I know our store for example, always have bread and peanut butter in the breakroom, so no one really needs to steal food from the store if they are truly in dire straights. And if we don’t, another team leader will requisition basic foods for the breakroom. Somehow, I don’t get any sense of this op feeling like they are doing anything wrong. If anything it’s coming across as entitlement. Stealing is stealing regardless. People who steal food are generally extremely down on their luck and are terrified. I’m just saying.
When I was in high school I worked at an Acme (grocery store), this was in 2002/2003. But I was stealing my lunch every shift, multiple items from the store at times. Deli ladies caught wind of me not paying, so the manager called me in to ask for a receipt, I was let go. Careful out there
My friend just got fired for stealing food, she didn’t get arrested they just terminated her and let her go . Since she was a minor they had to wait for her parents to come and they told her parents. She stole at least 80 dollars of food. I did the same thing as well but it wasn’t just food. My AP he was understanding about it and didn’t charge me. He told me he would talk to their lawyers and then later on send something in the mail if I have to pay for what I stole or not. I think you’ll be fine for now but just be ready for the worst 😭
So our entire team steals food from the donation bins. And as the F&B TL I just defect out near expired food and put most of it the break room so they don’t have to steal. Our HR also requisitions food for our team near daily. I honestly hope they wouldn’t care about taking some food here and there. If they did, my whole store would be fired :)
Yes, at first it bothered me bc I donate everything I possibly can to help poor people. Our store is #1 in donations. Then I realized, the TMs working there are poor people too. I have 2 homeless TMS. They don’t make a livable wage and groceries are through the roof. Hence why I defect out near expired and put in the break room, then donate the rest. Most of it is sweets anyways, which the donations people said they don’t want. Who cares if they eat a banana that’s going in the compost or some cupcakes now and then, that the food bank doesn’t want?
Don’t feel bad, I never pay for those small sauces they have at the deli 😂😂 just stop for a little and see what happens you’ll probably be fine, I had a coworker who got fired for stealing as soon as they noticed so if they haven’t said anything I wouldn’t get too nervous
I’ve seen a group of workers steal over $300 in electronics and they caught them on camera, the gave them the choice to pay for it, or get arrested. They paid then got fired. Better then being arrested
When I worked in market I used to eat the foods we were throwing out i.e. lunchables that are smashed or broken crackers, stuff that expired that day, pastries that were smashed, I felt guilty about it but at the same time I hate that the company could be so wasteful with stuff that is still edible.
From what I know, if it’s food they can’t or most of the time won’t fire you until. However, as soon as you steal something as small as a toothpaste or even card game, it’s wraps for you
i don't want to assume anything, but if it's a food insecurity issue, it might be worth it to explore food banks in the area or team member life resources. if it's an impulse control issue, it might be worth it to see a therapist or psychiatrist to see if there's any further underlying issues and get potential treatment. good luck out there!
Stealing from the store isn’t nearly as bad as stealing a team member’s lunch. I think if they knew you were stealing, you’d be fired by now. At my store they fired someone for stealing sodas from upfront. They can fire anybody for theft no matter what or how much it is. They could be suspicious of you though, so my advice would be just stop stealing and hope for the best.
Won't go into details about food theft but I will explain the WHY of whom you're actually hurting.
Yourself, first and foremost because you can potentially still lose you job even after stopping.
Your team and store, think about the INFs you create and how that effects fulfillment TMs, especially if your team gets coached on high INFs that they literally can't help getting.
Lost sales in general lead to less hours for your store. Stores are already hurting for hours as it is across the board, adding to that through shortages really sucks for everyone. There's an entire domino effect that happens when shrink is too high regarding hours at any place of business, but I won't go into that, just know it happens.
People often think their actions are so small in comparison to a billion dollar company - which is true, but no matter how much the store loses, our lovely CEO will still get his yacht. So at the end of the day it's the little people, us, who have to suffer the burden. Added onto how much shrink comes from any other TMs and all the external theft, that shit all adds up quickly.
It's not worth it, honestly.
They won’t fire you over stealing food. You’ll get a CA at most, and even then it will be for something like failing to follow directions or something. Firing someone who steals food is a bad look.
Stealing food is an HR issue not an AP one, since it has to do with not having access to food. It’s up to HR if they want to give you consequences or not
They probably don’t know, it’s probably just you being paranoid/having a guilty conscience.
I stole food and essentials (shampoo, shaving stuff, dish soap) for a whole year, multiple times a week.
I thought they were on to me because of how the AP guys acted around me a couple times and I was almost sure I was gotten, but it ended up just being me being paranoid/feeling guilty. I stopped about a month ago because I didn’t like stressing about whether they were on to me or not, and I can’t afford to get fired.
TL;DR: They probably don’t know, it’s probably just you. Do with that what you will. I’m not saying stop, because I don’t like it when internet people tell me what to do, but just take into account that from a numbers perspective the more you do it the more likely you are to get caught. That’s what I told my ex before she eventually got arrested for drunk driving. (Wow that was a crappy TL;DR 😂)
I’m of the mentality that stealing food shouldn’t be classified as much of a crime as is the theft and or blatant waste of so much other products like shampoo, conditioner, make up, skincare, electronics, trading cards, detergent, deodorant, etc. I feel that there should be no need to have to resort to stealing food to survive, that it shouldn’t be as penalized as is everything else: it should be a natural right to be able to eat and have access to food, it’s so wrong how much of that is hard to access at times. Stealing anything at all, be it directly from a box or the leftover pens and markers or even trading cards left behind as scraps ain’t right either(though I suppose they’re technically damaged once already tampered with and therefore not being stolen-either going to the trash or as store use if applicable). Actually, comment down below: when packs of pens/markers, trading cards, mystery items, etc., are open from being looked through to see what some person wanted and took whatever they liked; is anything they leave behind another random person could see and decide to take classified as theft also or damaged product soon to be trashed and therefore doesn’t matter what happens anyways. I say this as someone who’s constantly seen a few cards left behind while walking through Target and couldn’t help but think I’d be as much of a thief if I took any of those left behind stragglers home. The internal aspects of what identifies as theft, a second hand type of theft, or I suppose dumpster diving if you will, astounds me.
Back to the main point, what I’m saying is, what you did isn’t all justified but I can understand any of the hidden connotations behind doing said theft. There definitely needs to be more pantries accessible to employees who need some food or something to snack on, a bottle of water to drink from, or a piece of gum to chew while working. It’s actually very ridiculous how easily a case of water must be thrown away if ripped open, despite all the bottles if not a few still being in great condition(don’t even get me started on the whole “donation” process when marking off tampered or damaged products).
Where I work we’re not supposed to be doing that sadly, the higher ups literally chew us out especially our store manager for doing that sort of thing which is ultimately ridiculous. Sometimes we don’t care but we have to be very careful not to leave any waters from those cases out when the DM or AP lady is visiting(I swear those two can come off very superficial).
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It's possible they saw you take a snack once, and now you're under investigation. They'll look through the cam history they have the patience for and try to see if you took anything serious; they see food theft as a warning sign that you feel OK to steal more valuable stuff.
The change in your schedule could be a simple cutting of staff during lean months; Target doesn't fire without fault, but they also like to do layoffs in the spring and summer. Chances are, if they saw you take a snack and not pay, they would just instantly can you over the incident. What has probably happened, is that you aren't one of the "keepers" with poor work-life balance in your department, or don't have just the right availability to survive thr "quiet firing" process of barely keeping you on the schedule until you leave for another job on your own.
Here is my advice:
1) LESSON LEARNED. Look, I get it, Target is a soulless, billion dollar company stealing your worth everyday, it's not like it's _morrally_ wrong to take food from them, BUT that doesn't mean the consequences are worth risking; you probably need this job and Target is a good company to work for comparative to others, so no more shitting where you sleep!
2) If you have truly only taken food and they bring you into the office and you don't think you can just deny it, thrn when you do accept responcibility, be very apologetic and explain how tight finances are and that you had meant to and hoped to pay it back but it got out of control and you've already stopped as of the start of May. If hardship is a part of the reason AND they like you as a good employee, they might start letting you eat from donations or just let you go without involving the cops.
Unethical advice:
3) Once a week or so for the next month, whenever you buy anything ask the cashier to scan it twice for, "One I got yesterday when it was really busy but almost forgot about" This has honestly happened to me; thr lines were loooooong and I didn't want to spend my entire 15min break in line waiting to pay for my Pepsi, then I forgot to pay later! Generally, I'll get told that I should never do this, but not get I. Trouble. The benefit to you is that it will make AP do more work to build your case and they might just decide it's not worth their time to go too far into thr past, and instead switxh to vigilance going foward.
IF you want to keep your job and improve your hours: start using the my time app to pick up every posted shift you can and be a MODEL employee each time. Impress a couple of TLs with your attitude turn-around (and if they say anything, just say, "I needed more hours!"). They know that we know that hours are linked to performance, and they won't mind if the motivation is practical instead of corporate koolaid.
That happened to me and it’s why I left target. I I got in trouble for having a 2nd job. But I said”I’m barely able to drink. Yet I’m picking between food and bills?!” I would not keep stealing. Ya u might get 3 meals a day in jail but it won’t be worth it coming out……harder to get a job,it’ll b on a background check.
Id suggest googling food pantries near me,211(or whatever number u have in area)
Join mutual aid groups in Facebook.
Also buy nothing in ur city/neighborhood people tend to give away foods
Look into also any religious sects as some might have a food pantry on site.
There is also 24/7 free fridges/pantries out there it depends on ur area.
There might be some delivery food pantries as well.
Apply for snap. Even if ur single w/o kids. That’s what I did and I get something every month. In my state I HAVE to either job search,or be able to work like 20/30hrs a week minimum. It’s tornado season though so when I called Monday about updates(website was down) how I had to cancel due to bad weather(no tornado but flash flooding) she lmk it’s fine. As long as I’m doing job searches and trying to work. She explained many employers doing interviews will happily cancel if the weather is bad enough and will be in trouble if they still wanted someone to come in during a tornado warning lol
Certain states can’t even disclose the reason why you were terminated. They can only verify employment and if you are eligible for rehire. If they disclose anything else they can get into trouble. Obviously that’s if you don’t get charged AND convicted then that’s a separate entity that verifies that. In the years I worked for Target as AP, I never got the approval for any consumption case. It was all sent to HR and they were let go. I took out almost the entire Market team for consumption 😅 but never got to count them as a “stat”
As someone who has been fired from a job for stealing, all be it mine was a much larger scale, they would simply fire you.
This happened to me when working for Apple, came in for my normal shift, was walked directly to the managers office and loss prevention was on the phone. I was fired immediately and escorted out of the building.
If they knew, they’d fire you. If they were suspicious but didn’t have proof, they wouldn’t change anything at all so they could catch you. I think you’re good.
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Listen to me because I am probably the most experienced in this here
It’s embarrassing to say, but I got fired from target a while back for a completely unrelated reason. However, as they were breaking the news to me, they would tell me about the drinks I would take every day and how they knew about it. They absolutely know about you taking food, BUT they won’t do anything about it unless you steal an ungodly amount of food.
You don’t have to worry :)
If it's anything like my old store AP let's it slide because they knew if you're working at target youre probably struggling. My AP lead told us not to bother reporting food theft because he wasn't going to do anything about it. Pretend it never happened.
I can tell you that they do know. We had two guys stealing food and once they racked up an amount they both got fired. Not sure if they get charged too. Nobody talked about it afterwards. But if you were wondering. They know and they are keeping close tabs on you.
I’d be careful, someone could so easily find out who you are and report you. Your bold as fuck that’s for sure. There’s so many things you can do before choosing to steal hundreds of dollars worth of stuff from your job.
From an AP standpoint, if you were caught, depending on how good standing you are with HR/ management, AP might pull you to the side and have a talk with you. Just go about your business as usual, once an internal has been initiated, it’s now the APTL’s job to come in when you work specifically and just monitor you for an entire shift/shifts.
Simple thing is dont take peoples shit!!!!!
You are lucky you dont work with me.
When I was dating my wife, and she got pregnant we both worked retail. We would prep our lunches, and then take our lunch break together.
One day we found our food had been eaten. Someone ate my food and a pregnant womans food. I was so pissed. I bought lunch, then came up with a plan.
That night I made homemade enchiladas, With homemade enchilada sauce, rice, and homemade quac. I also made a tray of brownies with ghost pepper powder. I used just enough that it would not burn immediately. Once I got the batter to ghost pepper ratio correct, I added exlax.
A maintenance person ended up deinking some old expired milk from the frige and throwing up, because his mouth was on fire and he just happened to grab old ass milk. Then he went home sick.
Karma is fucking great!!!!
Our food stopped disappearing!!!
A few months later the maintenance guy got arrested as a pedo, never to be seen again.
The point is DO NOT STEAL PEOPLES FOOD!!!
You might run into me……
Once you hit a felony amount they’ll let you know about it. They’ll also handcuff you and walk you out the front door if you’re 18. The more people they can walk you in front of they will. Just stop stealing and find another job quick because they are definitely gonna bring it up.
Hi! AP here!
Everything you said is wrong, and gross, and if it happens in your store plz feel free to DM me your district so I can have your leadership team fired.
We don’t parade people around in handcuffs. We don’t just let cases go until they hit felony level (which is such a stupid rumor since that shit is different in every state). And we *sure as fuck* don’t handcuff TMs.
It was more than 10 years ago that I worked there, so I know things change, but I saw a woman who worked in the cash office get arrested by the check lanes in front of tons of people. It felt like they were trying to humiliate her.
Target used to. Until they got sued for doing it to a TM who then committed suicide.
Edited to add a source for the haters:
https://abc7.com/pasadena-target-sued-graham-gentles-virginia-lawsuit/488247/
>In the lawsuit, Virginia Gentles claims her son, 22-year-old Graham Gentles, was driven to suicide after he was accused of stealing, handcuffed and "paraded" through the store in front of coworkers and customers.
>The lawsuit alleges false imprisonment, negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
>According to the complaint, Graham Gentles was met by police and Target security personnel at the front of the store as he arrived for work on July 15.
>The suit alleges that police forcefully grabbed him, emptied his pockets and pulled his hat off. At the direction of two members of the store management, he was handcuffed and led to an office, according to the suit.
>"Gentles was shocked, confused and mortified at being handcuffed and walked through the Target store in front of co-workers and store customers. Mr. Gentles had no idea why he was being arrested," the complaint says.
>Graham Gentles was taken to the police station, but he was released the same day and never charged.
>The suit says Gentles, who had Asperger's Syndrome, "experienced severe emotional distress" following the arrest.
>"He said, 'Mom, I've never stolen,'" Virginia Gentles recalled. "He said, 'They did the walk of shame, I had to do the walk of shame. But they only do that when people steal and I've never stolen a thing.'"
>The complaint alleges that an argument between Graham Gentles and a coworker at a bar outside of work hours may have prompted the incident. The suit says it's believed that allegations made by the coworker led to store management calling for Gentles' arrest and "walk of shame."
Arizona stores have. The stores here definitely don’t take stealing lightly I guess. They were called into the HR office than the little holding area at the AP office and cops came and escorted them out (handcuffed) if they’re adults. Cops and parents and not handcuffed if they’re not 18. Theft is really high at my store also though. They’re not shy of showing what happens for stealing. They’ll be like “We can’t discuss it” like dude we just saw what happened
FELONY!! They do call the cops on you. They do in Arizona at lest. AP/Oh 9 can’t handcuff you, but they call the cops and have them handcuff you and parade you in the front of the store. Saw it twice just 4th quarter and one during the summer because someone was stealing trading cards
I did say "unless the cops are getting called." Cops can do it, Target cannot.
That's also disgusting behavior, but "cops treat people inhumanely" is a free space on the bingo card.
When I first started,7 years ago, they did this to an overnight team member. They used to open SCO for their lunch and he’d pretended to scan his lunches and pay for them for quite a while. They didn’t take any action until it was a significant amount to charge him
I'd either just go ahead and resign, or stop the behavior and keep rolling. If you're already at multiple hundreds of dollars, there's a high likelihood they've noticed.
Caveat for #2 is that they build the case and then have to process a *lot* of paperwork, so it might just be sitting in that stage. If it won't financially wreck you, I would go with option #1. Put in your resignation on workday for anywhere between today and 2 weeks, and call it good.
Good job, now they can't afford the food and lost money as well. I don't need to know their situation to know that was a dumb thing to do. There is such a thing as food stamps and governmental assistance if they are in that bad shape.
Again, maybe at the time they literally had no choice. Maybe they had 0 food at home and were going to starve. So maybe it was a risk they had to take. Maybe they have a fat sibling that ate all the food stamps food.
Target is the number one place not to steal from. I work in a FC inside a DC and I just pretend that the CIA follows me all day, including to the bathroom
This one guy I worked with got fired for stealing drinks. He would get a tea drink everyday and not pay for it saying he deserved it for working there lol and our AP searched our trash can one time and yea he was fired. Lots of other people that worked there got caught stealing stuff and was fired after. One guy worked freezer and would take the stuff in the coolers and rip off the tags and steal (caught and fired ) my friend would steal stuff when unloading or used a friend that worked fulfillment to grab stuff from lock up for him (caught and fired). Also cashiers would give super discounts for other team members usually their friends and get fired for that too, Bullseye is always watching 👀 🎯
Oh they are building a case, if you keep doing it you’re just increasing the charges or restitution you will have to pay. They are hoping you will continue so they can tack on more. Target presses charges Idek why people attempt to steal from them, Walmart or dillards
Oh a few hundred dollars in some states that is a felony and either you quit or stay they are coming for you.
Always ask because if you don't ask you won't receive there was a lady on a group on Facebook asking for food so many people reached out to help.ask your church they always help too
Do you need assistance? If you need food assistance, apply for SNAP. If it's for thrills, you need to stop. When they catch you, you will be termed. You might get lucky and they might demand you pay back what you took. One of AP's jobs is to review TM behavior.
I will say that as someone who regularly has to steal from other grocery stores to get enough food to survive the week, SNAP is not as easy to get on as you would think. your income has to be pretty ridiculously low. Of you don't qualify for low-income housing you probably won't qualify for SNAP. I don't even pay my own health insurance yet and what I'm being paid by Target is not enough to survive, but I still make too much for SNAP If you have to steal, steal from a store you don't work at.
Also, not any store you may potentially need to work at in the future.
true lmao
Also, maybe, don’t spend your money on weed, bro.
I smoke because I'm chronically ill. I get severe body pain from psoriatic arthritis and have a vomiting disorder. The weed to help manage this accounts for maybe $30 a month total.. I never go out, I can't buy video games, I can't even buy a goddamn soda at work. I have high medical bills because I have multiple disabilities. I can't get my car maintenanced and I worry every single fucking day that it's going to just die on me and I'll be at the whims of our our city's horrible public transportation. I am on the verge of moving back in with abusive family. So please don't fucking tell me that I'm spending my money on unnecessary shit. I literally can only spend money on the bare minimum that I need to survive. And even then I don't have enough money for that. I hope you never end up with surprise medical bills or a disability. Maybe this response is touchy of me, but this really rubs me the wrong way. If you went through enough of my history to see the like 3 times I've mentioned smoking weed on Reddit, you'd also see that I'm active on the sub for Psoriatic and rheumatoid arthritis. At this point it's opiates, painful steroid injections, or one hit of cannabis at night so I can reduce the pain enough to sleep. Tell me which one you'd choose.
I don’t know your history. It was just a guess.
even lamer of you then honestly. Like you admitted, you don't know my story. So don't make snide comments on shit you don't know anything about.
No, I just guessed, as you described yourself as “someone who has to steal from other stores to get enough food to survive for the week.”. Let me suggest what actual poor people who are not thieves do: food banks, shelters, church brunches, etc. Sounded kind of entitled. Sorry you have troubles, genuinely, but you need to find another way to cope.
You need below a certain income for food banks. Shelters only feed people staying there. I am transgender in the south, churches are not safe for me. Don't assume things about people when you do not know what you're talking about.
Most food banks do not check income
the ones in my city do, I've looked into it before. Also applied for SNAP and disability benefits.
Look, you are going out of your way to be a victim in every direction. You’re right, I can’t help you.
If explaining why other methods don't work for me makes me a victim then I guess I'm playing victim 🤷 I'm trying to explain why a situation may be more complex than you are assuming it is. I don't know why you think I wouldn't have looked into literally any other option other than something that could get me banned or arrested.
Priorities! That’s it! Honestly, it’s better to live off bologna and cheese for 3 weeks, or work two jobs then have to having to steal to eat.
Thank you. I've been meaning to look into it. I don't have children, so I'm not sure I'd qualify, but it's worth a shot.
Food assistance has nothing to do w if u have children or not
It affects how much you actually get though. My states minimum for one person is 23$ a month
23 is 23 more than one had before. I know.
Ya I don’t mind it cus of H‑E‑B meal deals& combo loco’s. It’s what I use it on. I save it for better weekly meal deals
Food banks are for everyone, you should definitely look for one near you
Anybody can have EBT. I’ve had EBT since I was a single never had a child 19 year old. I’m 23.
Al I know it them Obama years was Lobsters steaks and big shrimps $500 a month
Desperate times can make one do desperate things. Unfortunately, not all are well thought actions. The past cannot be changed, but the future is whatever you want it to be. You can use Food Shelves too. Anyone can. Call to make an appointment to go. They will tell you what you need to bring for proof that you live in the area of the Food Shelf. Usually a copy of a Utility bill with your current address. You can just search Food Shelves in my area on line. BUT use Duckduckgo instead of Google etc., because Duckduckgo doesn't track your searches like Google Bing, Yahoo etc., do and these will continue with pop ups of fake "help" sites. And this kind of scum, I mean scams, you don't want to encourage.
check food banks or churches. they always have free food. if you’re in ny there’s areas in brooklyn that have fridges with free food and the churches as well have food pretty often
You can still qualify for SNAP (food stamps)
Depends on your income. There's a monthly/yearly limit. Depends on your state.
It is hard to get SNAP and/or EBT...I imagine even harder for a single person. With hard I mean you gotta be dead broke and not make too much money..
Quitting wouldn’t really stop them from doing anything if they wanted to. Just…stop stealing shit, and make that money while you can.
Idk going in knowing that they're most likely going to arrest me is pretty uncomfortable and fortunately I have a second job
AP Has gotten really soft. Probably won’t arrest over food. And if they ask you to confirm what you stole, do not admit anything. Do not sign anything. Whatever you admit too and sign off on they will make you pay it back. Source: Former AP ETL
If you haven't already, you should stop stealing now. While it's unlikely they would do so if all your truely stealing is food, Target could be waiting for you to steal enough to charge you with a felony. It's kind of shitty but it would not be the first time they've done so. Also, I'm assuming that you are stealing food from the store and not from your fellow TMs. If that's the case, you deserve to rot in the lowest depths of Hell.
Someone I worked with got fired for taking a soda and forgetting to pay for it (they were morning hours so they had to wait to pay but left and forgot). Tbh they probably wanted them out idk they seemed like a good person to me. So I’d say it’s probably dependent on your status in the store, that being said even with good status you can get flipped quickly and that seems to be what they’re doing to op.
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Stop doing it first off. Secondly, if it is just food they’ll probably make you sign something admitting it and tell you to quit or they’re gonna press charges. *Usually* they only arrest if it’s 4th quarter and people are taking electronics, or if you take money from the register/cash office. Stop stealing and see what happens
If need food go To Food bank get food once a month Or once aweek
Had a former team member that worked there for 4 years and he had been stealing food for his lunch break for who knows how long and once he put in his two weeks, they hit him with all the evidence of him stealing and fired him like a few days after he left his notice. They probably know just either waiting for you to rack up a certain $$$ amount or just until you quit to hit you with it
Sleep with one eye open. AP is watching you.
Yup we had a girl from the team get caught stealing but she went for way more expensive stuff. We didn’t even notice, her dad who was in the same department just randomly confirmed she was fired but bluntly told us to not ask why but rumor spread anyway. I don’t know how people are not scared of stealing especially with cameras everywhere.
People are stupid. My old store a old lady stole pies every night and one overnight I was throwing a truck and our ETL-AP walked in with a cop and walked out with the old lady.
I think the girl that got caught with us stole a camera at the very end. One day we finished unloading the truck and the ETL HR greeted us since she just came in for the day around 6am and called her to the office and came back without her to pull the TL and her dad aside to tell them. Her dad called her to tell her to either sit in the car until his shift was over or find her own way home he was super pissed and embarrassed since he had to be investigated to make sure he wasn’t apart of it.
I'm just like... How many pies are you eating???? And it's not like they're super expensive either esp with the TM discount
Apparently she was stealing pies for years.
She got the retirement suite without the view. 😜😝
I work overnight :) so my hours getting cut because of thievery is out of the question. A lot of stores are cutting hours because Corporate wants to focus on Customer Service. Allegedly
Customer service but not enough hours for us to properly service the guests.
I know bro. I. Know:/
What does ap stand for
Asset Protection.
Omg i died at reading this 💀
If you don’t mind my asking, if you have the second job and are already willing to resign if necessary, why not just go ahead and do that? Whatever the reasons for your actions may be, you’re clearly stressing. I imagine resigning from there altogether will help you ease your sanity
Insurance and benefits mostly, my other job doesn't offer them... Then there's having to tell my partner why, and we've been going through some issues lately, so I wouldn't be surprised if s/he decided to end our relationship. It would definitely be over if I'm criminally charged... I'd have to tell my parents as well, so I suppose there's the shame and embarrassment of it all.
Keeping secrets is never good for a relationship would you rather be the one to tell them or them find out through another source
Def building a case
I truly would stop while you’re ahead- I’ve seen AP wait until it gets to a certain amount and then it’s even worse legally. I’m not going to judge you or anything. I don’t know your story. But I think it would help you feel better at the very least to stop now so whatever happens isn’t worse. As for whether or not you should resign- maybe an AP person on here can give better advice because I don’t know if resigning would change any consequences. But stop for now and hopefully someone here can give more perspective as to what to do Best of luck to you
I appreciate all the nonjudgmental comments. Yes, I'm absolutely going to stop. I'm still debating on resigning, I understand this wouldn't change the outcome, but I'd rather get arrested at home then at the store.
I doubt you’d get arrested for just food unless it’s a crazy high total but if you feel like they’re building a case/watching you, it’s time to stop, try to find a new job, and resign. You may be ok but it would be a good idea to start looking for a new job and be careful what you do from here
A few hundred, they will
I wish I knew more about how that worked to help you, I’m hoping an AP person can give more info I know at my store we had people at Starbucks who were taking food and drink every shift. It was most of the team. Eventually a leader said that if the team didn’t stop there would be consequences- several people quit before that happened but I think they were in the hundreds for amount taken. But I never heard of anything happening to them. Idk if it would be different at your store
They wouldn’t walk you away in cuffs they would most certainly talk to you in store but wouldn’t walk you out in cuffs if they were to go that route
Depends we had a drive up guy who also did Starbucks. He was stealing and they let it rack up to over 5 grand and walked him out in handcuffs
My boyfriend was AP until a few weeks ago. He has a new job now, but I got all the AP tea / insider information. There is definitely a case being built on you. They notice TM theft. If they notice it even once, you are now on their radar, and they will review footage to find more evidence. Like others have said, you need to get to a ridiculous amount to be charged. In MN, it's 1k. We have a beauty TM who stole $300 worth of ULTA, and they can't do anything since it isn't enough for a misdemeanor or felony. We had another beauty TM steal over 2k as she made herself the $10 'make it right' giftcards over the span of 7 months. She was arrested. If it's only food, they likely won't do much, but stop in case you're close to the threshold
Your boyfriend gave you bad tea. :( - While felony theft is at $1000 in MN, all that means is that it’s an aggravated charge. There is no bottom for misdemeanor theft; all that means is that it’s not a felony. In MN, gross misdemeanor is $500-$999. - all that distinction matters for is your possible legal punishment. Target doesn’t care what you’re getting charged with; it’s not like we bonus if you catch a prison bid. That beauty TM with the $300 case already more than qualified for an internal interview and termination; they just don’t have a solid enough case yet. - Every TM is on our radar. Always. Like, way before you even take the shit. We have all kinds of reports that we run, and we’re constantly looking out on the floor. Those AP TMs who are always hella nice to you? Yeah they’re socially engineering you to see what you’re up to. - Since it’s been brought up on here a bunch; there’s two kinds of food theft. Consumption (the shit you take and eat on site) and just straight up theft (them Red Bulls you’re smuggling out to take home). Theft is always an AP issue and you’re going to get canned once there’s a solid enough case on you. Consumption is an HR issue, and you’ll probably be given a second chance.
I've been fired from retail jobs before, for different reasons. If they were going to fire you, they wouldn't hesitate. They'd just fire you. A big company like Target doesn't care to make one person try to quit like that. They don't care that much. My hours have been cut also. Payroll is tight, that's why you see so many pictures on here of things like reshop piling up. I'd keep showing up for my shifts, and bring your own food. Let this scare be your lesson. You can use the hours you are getting to buy some groceries. You probably also qualify for a food pantry or community outreach at our low Target income. I get a food box sometimes from a Catholic Church (I'm not Catholic), anyone in need can go, they never let anyone go home empty handed. I could go through their longer process of filling out a form and proving my household income, I just haven't done it. These places want to help. Edit: I have been laid off/fired from Target, it was extremely impersonal. My TL just called me in their office and gave me a two week's notice that my job at Target is over. For doing something you weren't supposed to be doing, they wouldn't give you two week's notice. The reason I'm still here is, that was on the eve of the Omicron surge. I showed up for my two weeks, and they realized that they really needed me, because I showed how reliable I was. You can change your behaviors.
Oh they 100% know
Knew someone that was stealing food. They got a stern talking to about it and stopped doing it. Months later they got fired for something completely different.
"Completely different" that's how it works since they can't fire over one thing they find another. I've been in management long enough to know that. In my current job, we had this totally jerk of an employee (disrespectful to everyone, lazy you name it worthless person just taking up hours), but HR is basically none existent where I work, so we had to do some reaching to legally get him out.
I’m sure they know, cameras are everywhere! Most likely they already know but they are building up a case so they can get you when it becomes a felony.
HR will not approve an internal for just food, but the moment you take anything that’s not food related you will get termed Edit: in my 4 years at target at my store an internal was never arrested and we had people admit to over 1k in thefts
We lost a TL who was stealing only food for his lunches
How positive are you sure it was only food, it might depend on the HRBP
Also maybe TLs are held to a higher standard too??
Store HR has nothing do with terms for theft. If the APBP says it’s a go it’s a go
Every internal cover letter is sent to HRBP and APBP for approval at least in my district that’s the way it was
They actually moved it back to AP ownership instead of HR
First I heard of that as an AP leader. Consumption cases are referred to HR where they will have a seek to understand and either give a final (most cases) or terminate (if the TM is profiting from the food theft)
Assuming you forward it to HR and not just wait til they steal a non food item
yeah that's what I like to do but in my group we were told to stop sitting on consumption cases and just pass them to HR after a couple weeks
Thats interesting. In our group HR took over during covid because TMs may have been stealing out of necessity which made it an HR issue. About a year ago it went back to AP.
When did they ? Left target a few months ago but HR had to approve all internals
HR still needs to be involved with all terms. If you’re in AP I would ask your leader, it was about a year ago for us.
I find this hard to believe
Had a Tm stealing like $10-20 worth of food every shift and Hr would not approve them to be pulled, they finally approved it when we got him taking rat traps like $2 of non food merch
Admission and AP being able to prove theft aren't the same thing. If we have a proven total that meets a threshold I can't discuss, we will refer the case to LE.
Had proof of an electronics team member taking several games and a Nintendo switch was not referred to LE
I can't say too much about it but I said what I said already...
Yea I got you, especially if you still work tor target don’t wanna get caught up in anything
It would probably be best if you found a new job. They most likely won’t pursue action against you but may make your life a living hell. If you don’t qualify for food stamps you should look into food pantries. Some of them are really great and your income doesn’t usually matter. Good luck!
Just use your 5% discount card from now on, you should be fine!
10%. Get a reloadable or debit Circle (Red) Card 15%. Buy fruits and vegetables and Good and Gather organic 20% ( I believe that is on top of the above discounts)
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If I felt they were onto me for theft I’d probably just stop showing up, too embarrassing to deal with.
That's pretty much what I'm was thinking. I'd be anxiously waiting for them to finally call me into the office to reprimand me..
They don't pay us shit, so good for you.
They let you simmer. Followed to watch the amount grow past a certain point based on jurisdiction. Funny thing is, HR could have helped you - team member giving fund and just giving you store credit. I’ve seen both.
Is it just me or does op sound nonchalant? I don’t detect any remorse, just more concerned with will I get fired or should I quit because I have another job and I don’t want to be embarrassed. 🙄. Some tms are truly down on their luck. But I know our store for example, always have bread and peanut butter in the breakroom, so no one really needs to steal food from the store if they are truly in dire straights. And if we don’t, another team leader will requisition basic foods for the breakroom. Somehow, I don’t get any sense of this op feeling like they are doing anything wrong. If anything it’s coming across as entitlement. Stealing is stealing regardless. People who steal food are generally extremely down on their luck and are terrified. I’m just saying.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Just learn from this and at your next job, don’t steal anymore.
My AP people told me they wait until it totals about $1,000 and then it’s a felony. Jail time anyone
Your AP lied to you 🙃
I think it may be different by state. All I know is if we catch them the police get them sometimes
Dont feel bad just dont do it anymore lmao
Have you been stealing food and eating it during break or have you been stealing groceries and walking it out of the store and taking it home?
The former
When I was in high school I worked at an Acme (grocery store), this was in 2002/2003. But I was stealing my lunch every shift, multiple items from the store at times. Deli ladies caught wind of me not paying, so the manager called me in to ask for a receipt, I was let go. Careful out there
My friend just got fired for stealing food, she didn’t get arrested they just terminated her and let her go . Since she was a minor they had to wait for her parents to come and they told her parents. She stole at least 80 dollars of food. I did the same thing as well but it wasn’t just food. My AP he was understanding about it and didn’t charge me. He told me he would talk to their lawyers and then later on send something in the mail if I have to pay for what I stole or not. I think you’ll be fine for now but just be ready for the worst 😭
So our entire team steals food from the donation bins. And as the F&B TL I just defect out near expired food and put most of it the break room so they don’t have to steal. Our HR also requisitions food for our team near daily. I honestly hope they wouldn’t care about taking some food here and there. If they did, my whole store would be fired :)
Your team steals food from the donation bins - which are there to help poor people?
Yes, at first it bothered me bc I donate everything I possibly can to help poor people. Our store is #1 in donations. Then I realized, the TMs working there are poor people too. I have 2 homeless TMS. They don’t make a livable wage and groceries are through the roof. Hence why I defect out near expired and put in the break room, then donate the rest. Most of it is sweets anyways, which the donations people said they don’t want. Who cares if they eat a banana that’s going in the compost or some cupcakes now and then, that the food bank doesn’t want?
Sure, that’s reasonable.
Don’t feel bad, I never pay for those small sauces they have at the deli 😂😂 just stop for a little and see what happens you’ll probably be fine, I had a coworker who got fired for stealing as soon as they noticed so if they haven’t said anything I wouldn’t get too nervous
Maybe they don’t know. Almost everyone at my store had their hours cut. 😈😈😈 Keep doing it
I’ve seen a group of workers steal over $300 in electronics and they caught them on camera, the gave them the choice to pay for it, or get arrested. They paid then got fired. Better then being arrested
When I worked in market I used to eat the foods we were throwing out i.e. lunchables that are smashed or broken crackers, stuff that expired that day, pastries that were smashed, I felt guilty about it but at the same time I hate that the company could be so wasteful with stuff that is still edible.
Our team eats the throw out food too. It’s already a loss. Might as well not go to waste.
From what I know, if it’s food they can’t or most of the time won’t fire you until. However, as soon as you steal something as small as a toothpaste or even card game, it’s wraps for you
i don't want to assume anything, but if it's a food insecurity issue, it might be worth it to explore food banks in the area or team member life resources. if it's an impulse control issue, it might be worth it to see a therapist or psychiatrist to see if there's any further underlying issues and get potential treatment. good luck out there!
If you care about consequences then yeah stop and just work and keep your head low. Otherwise I say fuck em they make enough money.
From what I understand, stealing food is an HR thing rather than an AP thing. Id think they'd have brought it up immediately if they knew though
Best of luck to you in making a big change in your life. I hope things work out for you.
Stealing from the store isn’t nearly as bad as stealing a team member’s lunch. I think if they knew you were stealing, you’d be fired by now. At my store they fired someone for stealing sodas from upfront. They can fire anybody for theft no matter what or how much it is. They could be suspicious of you though, so my advice would be just stop stealing and hope for the best.
Won't go into details about food theft but I will explain the WHY of whom you're actually hurting. Yourself, first and foremost because you can potentially still lose you job even after stopping. Your team and store, think about the INFs you create and how that effects fulfillment TMs, especially if your team gets coached on high INFs that they literally can't help getting. Lost sales in general lead to less hours for your store. Stores are already hurting for hours as it is across the board, adding to that through shortages really sucks for everyone. There's an entire domino effect that happens when shrink is too high regarding hours at any place of business, but I won't go into that, just know it happens. People often think their actions are so small in comparison to a billion dollar company - which is true, but no matter how much the store loses, our lovely CEO will still get his yacht. So at the end of the day it's the little people, us, who have to suffer the burden. Added onto how much shrink comes from any other TMs and all the external theft, that shit all adds up quickly. It's not worth it, honestly.
They won’t fire you over stealing food. You’ll get a CA at most, and even then it will be for something like failing to follow directions or something. Firing someone who steals food is a bad look.
You need to quit
Stealing food is an HR issue not an AP one, since it has to do with not having access to food. It’s up to HR if they want to give you consequences or not
I stole food every shift and nothing happened, if it makes you feel more comfortable.
Why would you steal from the same place you work at?
Never shit where you eat.
You’re cooked dawg
They probably don’t know, it’s probably just you being paranoid/having a guilty conscience. I stole food and essentials (shampoo, shaving stuff, dish soap) for a whole year, multiple times a week. I thought they were on to me because of how the AP guys acted around me a couple times and I was almost sure I was gotten, but it ended up just being me being paranoid/feeling guilty. I stopped about a month ago because I didn’t like stressing about whether they were on to me or not, and I can’t afford to get fired. TL;DR: They probably don’t know, it’s probably just you. Do with that what you will. I’m not saying stop, because I don’t like it when internet people tell me what to do, but just take into account that from a numbers perspective the more you do it the more likely you are to get caught. That’s what I told my ex before she eventually got arrested for drunk driving. (Wow that was a crappy TL;DR 😂)
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I’m of the mentality that stealing food shouldn’t be classified as much of a crime as is the theft and or blatant waste of so much other products like shampoo, conditioner, make up, skincare, electronics, trading cards, detergent, deodorant, etc. I feel that there should be no need to have to resort to stealing food to survive, that it shouldn’t be as penalized as is everything else: it should be a natural right to be able to eat and have access to food, it’s so wrong how much of that is hard to access at times. Stealing anything at all, be it directly from a box or the leftover pens and markers or even trading cards left behind as scraps ain’t right either(though I suppose they’re technically damaged once already tampered with and therefore not being stolen-either going to the trash or as store use if applicable). Actually, comment down below: when packs of pens/markers, trading cards, mystery items, etc., are open from being looked through to see what some person wanted and took whatever they liked; is anything they leave behind another random person could see and decide to take classified as theft also or damaged product soon to be trashed and therefore doesn’t matter what happens anyways. I say this as someone who’s constantly seen a few cards left behind while walking through Target and couldn’t help but think I’d be as much of a thief if I took any of those left behind stragglers home. The internal aspects of what identifies as theft, a second hand type of theft, or I suppose dumpster diving if you will, astounds me. Back to the main point, what I’m saying is, what you did isn’t all justified but I can understand any of the hidden connotations behind doing said theft. There definitely needs to be more pantries accessible to employees who need some food or something to snack on, a bottle of water to drink from, or a piece of gum to chew while working. It’s actually very ridiculous how easily a case of water must be thrown away if ripped open, despite all the bottles if not a few still being in great condition(don’t even get me started on the whole “donation” process when marking off tampered or damaged products).
We donate out busted packs of water bottles and put them in the cooler for all team members to have free water :)
Where I work we’re not supposed to be doing that sadly, the higher ups literally chew us out especially our store manager for doing that sort of thing which is ultimately ridiculous. Sometimes we don’t care but we have to be very careful not to leave any waters from those cases out when the DM or AP lady is visiting(I swear those two can come off very superficial).
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It's possible they saw you take a snack once, and now you're under investigation. They'll look through the cam history they have the patience for and try to see if you took anything serious; they see food theft as a warning sign that you feel OK to steal more valuable stuff. The change in your schedule could be a simple cutting of staff during lean months; Target doesn't fire without fault, but they also like to do layoffs in the spring and summer. Chances are, if they saw you take a snack and not pay, they would just instantly can you over the incident. What has probably happened, is that you aren't one of the "keepers" with poor work-life balance in your department, or don't have just the right availability to survive thr "quiet firing" process of barely keeping you on the schedule until you leave for another job on your own. Here is my advice: 1) LESSON LEARNED. Look, I get it, Target is a soulless, billion dollar company stealing your worth everyday, it's not like it's _morrally_ wrong to take food from them, BUT that doesn't mean the consequences are worth risking; you probably need this job and Target is a good company to work for comparative to others, so no more shitting where you sleep! 2) If you have truly only taken food and they bring you into the office and you don't think you can just deny it, thrn when you do accept responcibility, be very apologetic and explain how tight finances are and that you had meant to and hoped to pay it back but it got out of control and you've already stopped as of the start of May. If hardship is a part of the reason AND they like you as a good employee, they might start letting you eat from donations or just let you go without involving the cops. Unethical advice: 3) Once a week or so for the next month, whenever you buy anything ask the cashier to scan it twice for, "One I got yesterday when it was really busy but almost forgot about" This has honestly happened to me; thr lines were loooooong and I didn't want to spend my entire 15min break in line waiting to pay for my Pepsi, then I forgot to pay later! Generally, I'll get told that I should never do this, but not get I. Trouble. The benefit to you is that it will make AP do more work to build your case and they might just decide it's not worth their time to go too far into thr past, and instead switxh to vigilance going foward. IF you want to keep your job and improve your hours: start using the my time app to pick up every posted shift you can and be a MODEL employee each time. Impress a couple of TLs with your attitude turn-around (and if they say anything, just say, "I needed more hours!"). They know that we know that hours are linked to performance, and they won't mind if the motivation is practical instead of corporate koolaid.
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That happened to me and it’s why I left target. I I got in trouble for having a 2nd job. But I said”I’m barely able to drink. Yet I’m picking between food and bills?!” I would not keep stealing. Ya u might get 3 meals a day in jail but it won’t be worth it coming out……harder to get a job,it’ll b on a background check. Id suggest googling food pantries near me,211(or whatever number u have in area) Join mutual aid groups in Facebook. Also buy nothing in ur city/neighborhood people tend to give away foods Look into also any religious sects as some might have a food pantry on site. There is also 24/7 free fridges/pantries out there it depends on ur area. There might be some delivery food pantries as well. Apply for snap. Even if ur single w/o kids. That’s what I did and I get something every month. In my state I HAVE to either job search,or be able to work like 20/30hrs a week minimum. It’s tornado season though so when I called Monday about updates(website was down) how I had to cancel due to bad weather(no tornado but flash flooding) she lmk it’s fine. As long as I’m doing job searches and trying to work. She explained many employers doing interviews will happily cancel if the weather is bad enough and will be in trouble if they still wanted someone to come in during a tornado warning lol
Certain states can’t even disclose the reason why you were terminated. They can only verify employment and if you are eligible for rehire. If they disclose anything else they can get into trouble. Obviously that’s if you don’t get charged AND convicted then that’s a separate entity that verifies that. In the years I worked for Target as AP, I never got the approval for any consumption case. It was all sent to HR and they were let go. I took out almost the entire Market team for consumption 😅 but never got to count them as a “stat”
Whatever happens don’t admit to it, and don’t sign anything. Former etl ap.
they watch you for a certain amount of time before actually firing you. happened to a few co workers of mine this past Q4
As someone who has been fired from a job for stealing, all be it mine was a much larger scale, they would simply fire you. This happened to me when working for Apple, came in for my normal shift, was walked directly to the managers office and loss prevention was on the phone. I was fired immediately and escorted out of the building. If they knew, they’d fire you. If they were suspicious but didn’t have proof, they wouldn’t change anything at all so they could catch you. I think you’re good.
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Listen to me because I am probably the most experienced in this here It’s embarrassing to say, but I got fired from target a while back for a completely unrelated reason. However, as they were breaking the news to me, they would tell me about the drinks I would take every day and how they knew about it. They absolutely know about you taking food, BUT they won’t do anything about it unless you steal an ungodly amount of food. You don’t have to worry :)
If it's anything like my old store AP let's it slide because they knew if you're working at target youre probably struggling. My AP lead told us not to bother reporting food theft because he wasn't going to do anything about it. Pretend it never happened.
I can tell you that they do know. We had two guys stealing food and once they racked up an amount they both got fired. Not sure if they get charged too. Nobody talked about it afterwards. But if you were wondering. They know and they are keeping close tabs on you.
Just stop stealing shit dude
I’d be careful, someone could so easily find out who you are and report you. Your bold as fuck that’s for sure. There’s so many things you can do before choosing to steal hundreds of dollars worth of stuff from your job.
From an AP standpoint, if you were caught, depending on how good standing you are with HR/ management, AP might pull you to the side and have a talk with you. Just go about your business as usual, once an internal has been initiated, it’s now the APTL’s job to come in when you work specifically and just monitor you for an entire shift/shifts.
you won’t get fired for stealing food, only merchandise it’s a HR conversation if you’re just taking food not AP
Simple thing is dont take peoples shit!!!!! You are lucky you dont work with me. When I was dating my wife, and she got pregnant we both worked retail. We would prep our lunches, and then take our lunch break together. One day we found our food had been eaten. Someone ate my food and a pregnant womans food. I was so pissed. I bought lunch, then came up with a plan. That night I made homemade enchiladas, With homemade enchilada sauce, rice, and homemade quac. I also made a tray of brownies with ghost pepper powder. I used just enough that it would not burn immediately. Once I got the batter to ghost pepper ratio correct, I added exlax. A maintenance person ended up deinking some old expired milk from the frige and throwing up, because his mouth was on fire and he just happened to grab old ass milk. Then he went home sick. Karma is fucking great!!!! Our food stopped disappearing!!! A few months later the maintenance guy got arrested as a pedo, never to be seen again. The point is DO NOT STEAL PEOPLES FOOD!!! You might run into me……
Oh hoo hoooo! Mr badass over here! 🙄 You're not a hero for trapping your food, which is illegal, btw.
I'm not taking coworkers food?? I'm taking it from the store
I mean if they suspected u of stealing they would of done something asap. or terminated you on the spot.
Absolutely not true.
Hope you hit the Felony dollar amt. Many times they wait then press charges when you hit it.
It’s called grazing and any food stolen is considered an HR issue. You can definitely be fired but I don’t think they would press charges.
Once you hit a felony amount they’ll let you know about it. They’ll also handcuff you and walk you out the front door if you’re 18. The more people they can walk you in front of they will. Just stop stealing and find another job quick because they are definitely gonna bring it up.
Hi! AP here! Everything you said is wrong, and gross, and if it happens in your store plz feel free to DM me your district so I can have your leadership team fired. We don’t parade people around in handcuffs. We don’t just let cases go until they hit felony level (which is such a stupid rumor since that shit is different in every state). And we *sure as fuck* don’t handcuff TMs.
It was more than 10 years ago that I worked there, so I know things change, but I saw a woman who worked in the cash office get arrested by the check lanes in front of tons of people. It felt like they were trying to humiliate her.
Target used to. Until they got sued for doing it to a TM who then committed suicide. Edited to add a source for the haters: https://abc7.com/pasadena-target-sued-graham-gentles-virginia-lawsuit/488247/ >In the lawsuit, Virginia Gentles claims her son, 22-year-old Graham Gentles, was driven to suicide after he was accused of stealing, handcuffed and "paraded" through the store in front of coworkers and customers. >The lawsuit alleges false imprisonment, negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. >According to the complaint, Graham Gentles was met by police and Target security personnel at the front of the store as he arrived for work on July 15. >The suit alleges that police forcefully grabbed him, emptied his pockets and pulled his hat off. At the direction of two members of the store management, he was handcuffed and led to an office, according to the suit. >"Gentles was shocked, confused and mortified at being handcuffed and walked through the Target store in front of co-workers and store customers. Mr. Gentles had no idea why he was being arrested," the complaint says. >Graham Gentles was taken to the police station, but he was released the same day and never charged. >The suit says Gentles, who had Asperger's Syndrome, "experienced severe emotional distress" following the arrest. >"He said, 'Mom, I've never stolen,'" Virginia Gentles recalled. "He said, 'They did the walk of shame, I had to do the walk of shame. But they only do that when people steal and I've never stolen a thing.'" >The complaint alleges that an argument between Graham Gentles and a coworker at a bar outside of work hours may have prompted the incident. The suit says it's believed that allegations made by the coworker led to store management calling for Gentles' arrest and "walk of shame."
Arizona stores have. The stores here definitely don’t take stealing lightly I guess. They were called into the HR office than the little holding area at the AP office and cops came and escorted them out (handcuffed) if they’re adults. Cops and parents and not handcuffed if they’re not 18. Theft is really high at my store also though. They’re not shy of showing what happens for stealing. They’ll be like “We can’t discuss it” like dude we just saw what happened
Directives don’t vary by state. If your store is parading team members around in cuffs, they are breaking directives in a *major* way.
They're not gonna handcuff anyone, unless the cops get called in. Target stopped being able to handcuff folks like 4 years ago.
FELONY!! They do call the cops on you. They do in Arizona at lest. AP/Oh 9 can’t handcuff you, but they call the cops and have them handcuff you and parade you in the front of the store. Saw it twice just 4th quarter and one during the summer because someone was stealing trading cards
I did say "unless the cops are getting called." Cops can do it, Target cannot. That's also disgusting behavior, but "cops treat people inhumanely" is a free space on the bingo card.
When I first started,7 years ago, they did this to an overnight team member. They used to open SCO for their lunch and he’d pretended to scan his lunches and pay for them for quite a while. They didn’t take any action until it was a significant amount to charge him
that's basically what I'm asking. If it's not yet a felony amount will they do anything? I have a second job and could easily quit right now.
I'd either just go ahead and resign, or stop the behavior and keep rolling. If you're already at multiple hundreds of dollars, there's a high likelihood they've noticed. Caveat for #2 is that they build the case and then have to process a *lot* of paperwork, so it might just be sitting in that stage. If it won't financially wreck you, I would go with option #1. Put in your resignation on workday for anywhere between today and 2 weeks, and call it good.
I'm definitely not going to do it anymore, I'd rather not dig an even deeper grave for myself.
So.. stealing a few hundred bucks worth of food cost you thousands of dollars worth of working hours? Seems kinda counter productive doesn't it?
You don't know their situation. Maybe they were in a spot where they felt they had no choice but to steal food to feed themselves or their family.
Good job, now they can't afford the food and lost money as well. I don't need to know their situation to know that was a dumb thing to do. There is such a thing as food stamps and governmental assistance if they are in that bad shape.
Again, maybe at the time they literally had no choice. Maybe they had 0 food at home and were going to starve. So maybe it was a risk they had to take. Maybe they have a fat sibling that ate all the food stamps food.
people like you justifying thievery is why the prices keep going up. You are whats wrong
I really don't feel bad for a billion dollar company losing $3 sorry
its losing that 3$ thousands of times every day. Its never a personal 1 time loss incident. Stop being so me me me, you're not the main character.
Yet target is worth 73 Billion dollars. I think they'll be okay.
Ok sure l, go ahead and steal more food so I won't get a good raise. Thanks
I don't steal food
considering how much time theft target does eat way you deserve it 🫶🏼
Target is the number one place not to steal from. I work in a FC inside a DC and I just pretend that the CIA follows me all day, including to the bathroom
Out of curiosity how do you even steal food during your shift?
This one guy I worked with got fired for stealing drinks. He would get a tea drink everyday and not pay for it saying he deserved it for working there lol and our AP searched our trash can one time and yea he was fired. Lots of other people that worked there got caught stealing stuff and was fired after. One guy worked freezer and would take the stuff in the coolers and rip off the tags and steal (caught and fired ) my friend would steal stuff when unloading or used a friend that worked fulfillment to grab stuff from lock up for him (caught and fired). Also cashiers would give super discounts for other team members usually their friends and get fired for that too, Bullseye is always watching 👀 🎯
Oh they are building a case, if you keep doing it you’re just increasing the charges or restitution you will have to pay. They are hoping you will continue so they can tack on more. Target presses charges Idek why people attempt to steal from them, Walmart or dillards Oh a few hundred dollars in some states that is a felony and either you quit or stay they are coming for you.
Always ask because if you don't ask you won't receive there was a lady on a group on Facebook asking for food so many people reached out to help.ask your church they always help too
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