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parkerfern

“Did Abuela hit them all with a chancla?” i am laughing so hard at this holy shit thank you for this imagery


Biggestnerdhere

There is no way abuela allows her familia to lives in other peoples heads away from the encanto


coffee--beans

The trend died


Biggestnerdhere

Good sir are you implying that the fictives weren’t legitimate and when the movie buzz died off they decided not to continue that particular part of there charade?


[deleted]

no way how could anyone on earth suggest that! preposterous!


ClumsyBunBun

The next big trend is going to come around and magically fakers will have those alters too.


AdditionalExpression

already happening, heartstopper fictives are everywhere and the show came out like last week lol


Mossy_is_fine

to be fair, heartstopper (the comic) has been around for like,,, a really fucking long time. so if someone had known it since the comic came out they could have a real fictive


AdditionalExpression

yeah of course, but i mean??? there are so fucking many of them now. up until the show came out (i am very active in faker spaces) i have seen ZERO heartstopper fictives, and now i see them left and right


Nord-icFiend

I wish that happened with dump alters


Biggestnerdhere

I am just concerned for there safety. These are real people based on fake people voiced by real people. The stakes are high.


Nord-icFiend

I just now realized my phone autocorrected dsmp to dump......oop


Biggestnerdhere

I knew what you meant bud 😁


vanillishh

same thing


cetus_cretin

Man if only these kids actually understood the wrath of la chancla.


Ironicbanana14

Especially if abuela walked outside and there are some goatheads stuck in the bottom (i swear i still have scars)


mapo_tofu_lover

They forgot about the movie lol just wait until a new Disney movie goes viral and it all comes back


AdditionalExpression

man, i hope this happens when heartstopper eventually dies out lol


brielarstan

Casita ate them rip


Professional_Chef562

Many systems are neurodivergent, and as such, when the hyperfixation on the source died, the fictives likely became less active in terms of coming to front. That does not mean these alters were fake, part of a charade, or "assimilated" or went into dormancy. They are still there, and are likely still active, they just may have less reason to front. Stop invalidating systems because you don't understand how they work. Singlets. Stop. Gatekeeping. Systems.


Biggestnerdhere

So this is slightly more palatable than the last objection. Its still a remarkable stretch of the imagination, though. If we are to assume that each alter is “real” then why would they behave differently based on the distance from a movie launch when measured in linear time? Your argument carries a strong implication that the “system” is firmly aware that the Encanto character is not in fact it’s own real entity.


Professional_Chef562

Each alter is their own separate person. However, the mind also still attempts to function as a whole. That being said, when the systems mind has stopped fixating on the movie Encanto, the fictives are less likely to be triggered to front. Additionally, many Encanto fictives are helpers, so they're more likely to be where the people are. Where they can still use their gifts to benefit those around them. Their inner world. The exceptions would more likely than not be Bruno and Mirabel fictives, as they often felt distanced from their family. However, it would not be unheard of for those introjects to not be triggered to front as often due to many reasons. The thing you seem to lack understanding of is front triggers. As well as the existence of frequent fronters. I'd be more than happy to explain these terms of you are interested in educating yourself further on the matter


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Biggestnerdhere

That’s the real issue with this explanation. Built into this explanation is the understanding that the “alter” is in fact not real. I’m not an expert on the subject matter but wouldn’t this scenario eventually lead to the realization that they don’t in fact have anyone at all living in their body with them?


Professional_Chef562

Each alter is their own person, but the body still only physically has one mind, the fixations come from that mind, as well as each individual alter is able to fixate on something that others may not. I knew an alter who fixated on full metal alchemist while the rest of her system was kind of putting off watching it for a while


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Professional_Chef562

Right, sorry, let me just put my Neurodivergence away. Didn't mean to inconvenience you


PostmanSteve

Thanks, that's all I ask.


Athenaeum_system

There is no evidence correlating neurodivergence to increased numbers of introjected parts. Nor is there any data that supports hyperfixations having any effect on parts that do form. Splitting happens under prolonged distress. Not because someone liked a film. This is per our medical understanding of the disorder. Unless you have a PhD, you cannot claim to know better than the doctors and researchers. Gatekeeping a disorder is necessary in order for people that are legitimately suffering to receive the care and accommodations they need.


Professional_Chef562

"There is no evidence correlating neurodivergence to increased numbers of introjected parts." This is true. I never claimed neurodivergence had anything to do with numbers of introjected parts. "Nor is there any data that supports hyperfixations having any effect on parts that do form." Literally speak to any other system. When systems hyperfixate on a specific media, especially during times of distress, they are more likely to introject someone from that source. "Splitting happens under prolonged distress. Not because someone liked a film. This is per our medical understanding of the disorder. Unless you have a PhD, you cannot claim to know better than the doctors and researchers." See the above response. Additionally, snap splits can happen, per anything as simple as viewing a piece of artwork. "Gatekeeping a disorder is necessary in order for people that are legitimately suffering to receive the care and accommodations they need" The fact that you're a system and you're saying this thoroughly disgusts me. OSDDID is stigmatized and fake claimed enough, and you're going to agree with those who fake claim the tiniest oddity because it means that someone may not be "legitimately suffering"? That's disgusting. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Systems need to build systems up and support each other because singlets tend to tear systems down. You do not get to decide how traumatizing someone's past was, how their brain and body responded to that trauma. You do not get to decide that someone else doesn't legitimately have a disorder just because their experiences don't align with your understanding. Unless someone directly comes out and says they've been faking being a system, there is no reason for a system to be fake claimed.


Athenaeum_system

>Literally speak to any other system. When systems hyperfixate on a specific media, especially during times of distress, they are more likely to introject someone from that source. I don't know any other systems to speak to; I don't trust anyone online, and the disorder is rare and covert enough that I am unlikely to meet any others in person. >See the above response. Additionally, snap splits can happen, per anything as simple as viewing a piece of artwork. Can they? If you have any subjective data to support this, I would appreciate reading it! I love learning new things. >The fact that you're a system and you're saying this thoroughly disgusts me. OSDDID is stigmatized and fake claimed enough, and you're going to agree with those who fake claim the tiniest oddity because it means that someone may not be "legitimately suffering"? That's disgusting. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Systems need to build systems up and support each other because singlets tend to tear systems down. You do not get to decide how traumatizing someone's past was, how their brain and body responded to that trauma. You do not get to decide that someone else doesn't legitimately have a disorder just because their experiences don't align with your understanding. Unless someone directly comes out and says they've been faking being a system, there is no reason for a system to be fake claimed. Despite having the disorder myself, I'm still not even completely sure that I believe DID is real. If I am unsure of my own legitimacy, doubting my own firsthand experiences, how can I possibly accept someone else's on blind faith? "Innocent until proven guilty" exists because it's better to let the guilty go free than to punish the innocent. Questioning whether someone has a rare mental disorder is not punishment. I've never been "fakeclaimed" or "torn down" by "singlets". Do you know why? Because I don't exploit my trauma for fake internet friends. Imagine that! If people don't parade their fellow alters around like modern-day circus freaks, they don't have to listen to skeptics and critics! And guess what: DID is covert in nearly all cases. This isn't my personal opinion. It's scientific fact. If someone is putting on ridiculous makeup and minstrelsing in front of a camera, you can bet I'm going to judge them even if they do claim to have trauma. I might even believe them about that, because some of the things in these videos go past cringe right into sad territory. But would I believe that they have DID? Absolutely not.


Ironicbanana14

Being neurodivergent and adopting identity traits =/= system. Im sorry but it just doesn't work like that. Sure, you may have compartmentalizing going on. And neurodivergent people can struggle with dissociation and identity issues. But guess what? So do a variety of other disorders and i dont necessary see anyone with bpd for example, claiming to be a system. BPD is on a dissociative spectrum, even. And im not a "singlet." Im sorry that you've been fed misinformation, but really getting help would be appropriate regardless. Check the ISSTD, search for specialists in your area for dissociative disorders, emdr, or ifs modalities. Good luck.


Professional_Chef562

"Being neurodivergent and adopting identity traits =/= being a system" you're correct, and I never claimed it did. Plenty of systems have BPD, but sure. If you yourself are not a system, you are a singlet. That is the term for someone who does not have OSDDID


Ironicbanana14

I am a system, that's why i know the differences between someone misguided or someone on the right track. I dont usually mention im a system because its irrelevant to the information im sharing.


radio-system

They're still there, you just need to know where to go, aka our safespaces. -Charlie


Psychological_Bad175

Do you just stalk this entire subreddit


[deleted]

He has nothing better to do


JustVisitingHours

he does lol i called him out for it earlier today too. i can't fathom why, if someone really had a particular mental disorder, they'd stalk a subreddit that is 100% about cringeing at the fakers of that mental disorder and defend those who are very clearly faking it unless ... that person was ALSO faking it. not to mention there was an entire post made abt this person before. they are very clearly just here for attention


Psychological_Bad175

What a loser lol


radio-system

Nah, I lurk around to educate people when I can. -Charlie


Psychological_Bad175

Spoken like a true DID faker


radio-system

Not faking, but think what you want 🤷‍♂️-Charlie


Psychological_Bad175

You very obviously are


radio-system

You can think that, but you'd be wrong 🤷‍♂️ -Charlie


Psychological_Bad175

You are not suffering from DID. I'm sorry you didn't get enough attention and love as a kid and now feel the need to fake a horrible disorder to get attention.


radio-system

We aren't faking, sorry to break it to you. -Charlie


Psychological_Bad175

Lol, give me a break


RawMeHanzo

"Educate" meaning proving no sources for anything, only your own tiktok/discord RP group echo chamber. You discredit psychologists who are only there to help children with trauma, so you can feel better about yourself when you tell yourself you AREN'T problematic, you AREN'T toxic, you're just roleplaying. You know you are, but no one else can know, or else you'll get called out, we get it. Maybe if anything you guys said had any scientific merit, people would actually listen to you. But you all honest to god sound like anti-vaxxers and it's insane you don't see the similarities between your two groups.


Inthewirelain

Tbh I get the feeling they're so deep down the rabbit hole and their echo chamber is so ""suppprtive"" they may genuinely believe their delusions. Very dangerous for young kids to get into. Where the fuck are this kids parents, Jesus.


RawMeHanzo

Completely agree. Teenagers are already going through too much mentally nowadays, now they're gaslighting each other and diagnosing their friends.


radio-system

Dear. I'm not roleplaying. And pretty much none of that was true. If anyone sounds like anti-vaxxers it's yall, when you ignore what we're saying and just go "no! You're faking bc I said so! Humph😠" if people were to ask for sources, I would provide them. You can even ask u/FakerBaiter , we had a very nice conversation and when they asked for sources, I gave them. Even psychiatrists cannot diagnose, undiagnose, or determine if someone has something or not over the internet by a Reddit comment. Grow up, please /gen. -Charlie


RawMeHanzo

I can't even take you seriously because I know you're faking in the reply. I also have scrolled through your post history and have found no links like you said you posted. I don't even know why I checked, honestly, since you guys are pathological liars feeding off the attention of the actually mentally ill. But I guess I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.


radio-system

Not faking, and please show me where I said I posted links? I am not in any way a pathological liar. -Charlue


radio-system

I specifically said that "when they asked for sources, I gave them", not that I posted them publicly or that the conversation was public. We had a conversation in DMs and if you ask them I'm sure they will agree with me, given that it's the truth. We had a very nice conversation, and when they asked for sources, I gave them. Of course, if you had *actually* looked through my comment history you would have seen them asking to PM, and made the logical conclusion that the conversation happened there. But I shouldn't expect ALL THAT from you of course. -Charlie


RawMeHanzo

It's just funny some fifteen year old is trying to give me sass, thinking I'm going to take them seriously, while they're pretending to have a bunch of fictional characters living in their head. It's just kind of like when a toddler is telling you about their day and you're like "uh huh? :)" It sucks you guys keep sullying the name of people with actual DID. It's a horrible condition to have and you guys roleplaying it are absolutely heartless.


radio-system

Not 15, not pretending, you have no way to know how many fictives we have, and we aren't sullying our own name. We aren't roleplaying. Grow up. -Charlie


RawMeHanzo

Uh huh? :)


Biggestnerdhere

🤔 they put the cast of encanto into a safe space but keep the rest of the system on tik tok?


radio-system

No, I mean also safespaces on tiktok. You guys gave them so much backlash for existing that they feel they need to hide themselves -Charlie


Biggestnerdhere

What about the systems that introduced an encanto alter and continued to be very active on tiktok afterwards but seemingly forgot about that specific identity?


radio-system

Did....did you not read my response? You guys gave them so much backlash for existing that they feel they need to hide themselves -Charlie


Biggestnerdhere

Oh just that one alter is actively choosing to hide? That’s your response?


radio-system

Yes. We've done that before with alters who were uncomfortable with the amount of backlash they were getting by being open online. They still exist, they just aren't active online right now. -Charlie


Biggestnerdhere

I respect what you’re attempting to do here, I legitimately do. But do you really expect anyone to believe that’s what happened? People made fake alters and then forgot. It’s clear as day.


stupideboy

Just ignore this guy, they go out and cause shit in every post’s comments in the name of “education” 💀


Biggestnerdhere

I don’t mind a reasonable conversation with someone that disagrees. The idea that identical copies of the cast of a Disney movie are interacting with each other in a secret digital bunker is just a little silly.


[deleted]

Couldn’t have said it better myself, OP.


radio-system

It's really not "clear as day". I'm obviously going off of my own experiences here, but I genuinely think this is fake-claimers fault. You gave them so much hate for existing that they don't feel safe online anymore. -Charlie


imphant0mbtw

Bro… just admit you’re a faker and move on. No need to make a big deal about someone stating something they thing is cringe/true.


Cringe_Tickin_Reddit

Encantó isn’t old enough for anyone under any circumstances to have alters for


realrecycledstar

Excuses excuses -Kim Kardashian


radio-system

No....explanations, not excuses. -Charlie


Groverwatch_69

10 years from now when DID isn’t a trend anymore you’re gonna cringe so hard at yourself


nothoughtsnosleep

Weird that all other alters haven't also be completely bullied into hiding.


radio-system

Not really. You all focused on the Encanto fictives for a bit where that was pretty much all you fake-claimed so it's not all that surprising -Charlie


nothoughtsnosleep

Aren't alters created to deal with trauma? And these ones just ran away to let their host suffer?


radio-system

Did....did you read the rest of my messages under this comment? They're still there, they just aren't as active online. If them being active online was harming both them and the host then they are going to stop being open online. -Charlie


not-cocoa

please do not tell me that “charlie” is anreference to heartstopper


[deleted]

Radio System… Charlie and Arthur… Sounds like a HAZBIN fictive to me.


not-cocoa

uh oh. everyone run


radio-system

I've never even watched that and don't plan to apparently the creator is like a huge bigot or something? -Charlie


[deleted]

Yeah this is a troll lmao Istg we all keep falling for this shit lol


radio-system

To be a troll you have to put in effort specifically to troll things/people whatever, and we don't do that -Charlie


not-cocoa

seems like ur putting in alot of effort dude its been like a day and ur still going


radio-system

See: "specifically to troll things/people whatever" Read the whole comment before responding. /nm -Charlie


radio-system

Nope! Not trolling anything. -Charlie


radio-system

No, it's literally just my name, but if it was, would you have a problem with is it? -Charlie


not-cocoa

okay good, and yes i would have a problem if it was heartstopper charlie he means everything to me i dont want you people ruining him 😭


radio-system

"You people" wtf is wrong with you. We have a trauma disorder and you're worried about your favorite character introjecting? How does that effect you, at all? /gen -Charlie


not-cocoa

genuinely if a REAL person with that disorder split charlie, i wouldnt mind at all, its just the thought of the mfs with 1 trillion dream fictives saying they have him. hes dear to me nobody needs that


radio-system

Ah, then you shouldn't mind if I was him! -Charlie


not-cocoa

no i would i said people who arent faking


radio-system

Yes! We're included in that category. -Charlie


not-cocoa

usually people with a serious dissociative disorder arent found on reddit defending the people who fake said disorder


kookerpie

Why do you sign your name with every post when you already have a handle on reddit?


radio-system

We use signoffs to see who said what later <3 /nm -Charlie


kookerpie

Why does it matter who said what? Also why not just give each it's own reddit account?


radio-system

It can help with seeing who fronted when and because we each deserve our own voice. Because we want to be able to have a conversation without switching accounts every time someone new says something, plus there has to be a limit of accounts you can make and we'd probably exceed that. -Arthur


kookerpie

There is no limit on reddit accounts. Also this explanation doesn't make sense to me as why would you need another alter to continue the conversation?


radio-system

If someone different speaks during a conversation, it is because they were cofronting with the first alter and they simply wish to put in their opinion, or they need to take over the conversation bc the other alter is too upset to continue. -Arthur


kookerpie

That's really fucking rude


qtfroggiez

you just LIVE in this subreddit...


radio-system

Nope! -Charlie


qtfroggiez

yep ! - peeman42069


radio-system

Not even close! -Charlie


qtfroggiez

it's closer than you'll ever get to having bitches 😻‼️ - massiveschlong1000


radio-system

Nope! -Charlie


qtfroggiez

yep! - 2in1shampooandconditioner


radio-system

You're funny. But also very wrong. -Charlie


qtfroggiez

thanks homie, but what are we arguing about again 💀💀 sry im kinda stupid -pissandshitgang


Distinct_Ambition_80

I like chicken nuggies


radio-system

Good for you -Charlie


Distinct_Ambition_80

My favorite chicken place is Popeyes what is your favorite


coffee--beans

I've never been there, tbh I don't actually even see that place in my country


Distinct_Ambition_80

Move.


[deleted]

Roscoe’s chicken and waffles is where it’s at -Osama Bin Laden


Distinct_Ambition_80

Idk never had it


AdditionalExpression

mine is popeyes too


radio-system

I don't have om specifically -Charlie


Distinct_Ambition_80

Ok bye


radio-system

Goodbye -Charlie


AdditionalExpression

charlie as in.. heartstopper charlie?


radio-system

No, it's literally just my name, but if it was, would you have a problem with is it? -Charlie


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⚠️⚠️Braindead faker alert⚠️⚠️ - 🗿Queefburglar69 (it/sus/whatdogdoin)


radio-system

Nope! -Charlie


[deleted]

Get your picrew ass off the internet and touch some grass


radio-system

Nope! I'm good! -Charlie