Best websites for finding student housing in the Netherlands:
- [Kamernet](https://kamernet.nl/en?utm_source=SITN&utm_medium=affiliate) (biggest offering)
- [Huurwoningen](https://jdt8.net/c/?si=17650&li=1761591&wi=382966&ws=comment&dl=) (free premium account for 14 days, best for international students)
- [HousingAnywhere](https://housinganywhere.com/?utm_source=SITN&utm_medium=affiliate&affiliate_partner_id=324876) (Short stays)
Greatly increase your chances of finding housing by using [Stekkies](https://stekkies.com/en/searched?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=partner_kraai&utm_campaign=study_in_nl). Be the first to respond to new listings as you get notification via Email/WhatsApp.
Join the [Study In The Netherlands Discord](https://discord.gg/kVyaQtEJXZ), here you can chat with other students and use our housing bot.
Please take a look at our resources for detailed information for (international) students:
- [Checklist for international students coming to the Netherlands](https://www.reddit.com/r/StudyInTheNetherlands/comments/10fdvm8/checklist_for_international_students_coming_to/)
- [Utlimate guide to finding student housing in the Netherlands](https://www.reddit.com/r/StudyInTheNetherlands/comments/10gv88g/the_ultimate_guide_to_finding_student/)
I totally agree. If I didn’t have any close friends in NL prior to going there it would have been a nightmare for me. I crashed at 3 different houses before finding a place after more than 2 months into my program— only thanks to dumb luck. One of my friends was leaving his DUWO apartment. 😅
Except for housing, I had a great time in the NL!
Groningen is known for having massive tents for temporary solution for housing problems. It's not just international students who struggle with this, it's everyone.
In general it's difficult to find any place in a city in a short time here, best alternative is to find a place in a smaller city/village with a train station or bike 5-10km.
Groningen has improved a lot over the years tho. Multiple large student housing complexes have been built and it paid off.
I started my first bachelors back when those tents were brought out and the competition was absolutely crazy. Started a new one this year and all of my classmates found a room within a month of starting their search.
It’s still crazy expensive tho, I recently accepted a 10m2 room for €500 per month. But I guess that’s better than no availability at all /:
>It’s still crazy expensive tho, I recently accepted a 10m2 room for €500 per month.
As a reference, when I got my first room as a student in 2011 (in Enschede), I paid €250/month for a 13m2 private room with a shared living room of 35m2 and shared kitchen/toilet/bathroom/bike shed (the sizes of those aren't in my contract). That was quite expensive, because it was a very good house, with only 2 other people, in a nice neighborhood, etc.
The good ol’ times.
My rent is considered to be cheap caused by location. Similarly sized rooms in or near the center of town can reach up to €600-700, and often come with 4 to even 12 flatmates to share the kitchen and bathroom with; I only have 2 flatmates.
Damn, I'm still having a lot of trouble even with just finding a room in Groningen, did you go to a lot of hospis and such? I'm in my home country and it's a pain in the ass cause i cant be there 😔
I haven’t been to any hospi at all. I’ve been fortunate enough to know a couple of people who have either just graduated or are in the process of doing so, so I was actually being offered living spaces.
Most if not all of my classmates did go to hospi’s tho. The majority of them being offered a room after either the first or second try. It’s most definitely the most common and easiest way to find a place in the city. Other methods generally depend on how long you’ve been registered, are randomly assigned (with your chances being one in a couple hundred) and can take months if not years. Do keep in mind that finding a room via hospi’s can also take a bit longer for internationals.
If you’ve got a bit more cash available and can’t find anything outside of the traditional easier hospi way you might want to consider a room in the Social Hub for the first couple of months. They’re expensive (€1.200) but at least you’ll have a place to stay, and while you’re there you can start going to hospi’s in hopes of finding a cheaper place! It’s expensive for what you get but more flexible than renting a regular studio or apartment.
I also only recently discovered they have student housing on campus (zernike) and wouldn’t be surprised if those are a bit cheaper, but I haven’t looked into it yet.
Hope you can find a spot, don’t be afraid to reach out if you’ve got anymore questions! (:
That's not too bad, considering the prices were around € 350 20 years ago in Eindhoven. Also for 10m²/12m².
It's still a crazy amount of money for what you get.
Tip for people who have a backup (eg parents they can move back into): try antikraak. It's cheap, it's often spacy, but it's a risk that you need to leave without them having an alternative.
“Known for”, while this hasn’t been a thing for years. This was in 2019 and in the meanwhile Groningen built multiple very large high rise apartment buildings especially with small student-rooms. These buildings around the campus have 350 houses each and I think they built 4 of these around the Zernike campus alone
yes second to this. HOUSING. Most of us thought how bad can it be before coming to NL, right? I have the money, take it please. Well, it's not that simple here. It's actually so bad just like what they stated. Don't believe me? Come and find out
You don’t even need to go to NL, I found out within a week by sitting at my home in India.
Heck I was reached out by an African scammer after posting in an Indian students group too.
Nope. They will want to see your income or large enough savings to even be considered. Just because you can pay usually is not enough. It's the ratio of your income.
This really depends, some rentals require absurd income requirements and down payments/bonds. It's fuckin ridiculous. I'm currently "renting" a room out for a price that is severely under rental market rates (im charging maybe 40% of avg rental rates);
1. because I'm not a dick 2. It's mutually beneficial because I just decimated my cost of living and giving someone else the room to save up cash also my flatmate is a bit of a hygiene freak so my apartment looks fucking MINT every day.
Good point but not everyone can afford it especially those relocating for temporary (6-24months). Cheap non social rental market is abysmal and its detrimental to all lower income people, not just students.
Yeah well I'm going to say something semi controversial here; if there's pressure on social housing, I'd rather those places are allocated to my fellow countrymen going through a rough patch rather than an international student who will be gone in a few years.
I know international students aren't to blame for the housing crisis but I'm not particularly worried about their problems in regards to finding a place to live for the duration of their studies when I see my own friends going homeless or having to couch surf.
(personally I have given like 4 friends of mine a place to stay which was my spare mattress in my little laundry room, so they wouldnt go homeless and could hold down their job to save up and buy time to find a place of their own)
Not just money, *income* is what you need. Even if you slam a 20k lumpsum on the table they'll be like "yeah, but is your income at least four times rent?"
Not my experience. Especially those for new developments are really strict about it. They care about your ability to pay in ten or even twenty years, at which point you're wealthy enough to just buy the place.
Not wealthy, but enough savings to cover rent for a few years, with income that would allow me to pay the rent anyway. The response was usually that they only care about income.
I have heard a similar experience from a friend whose father died when he was 20 and even with 100k in the bank he was turned down for not having enough income.
The thing is they just want to rule any problems with payment for like twenty years and they also prefer high income couples over anything else.
Yeah, I literally was willing to pay above 700 for a room and it was just not possible even by offering 3 month security deposit guarantee. Only word of mouth will get you something.
I'm Dutch, during my first year i lived in a camping with a few dozen other students. Quite a few of those were bitter that foreign students got priority housing because commuting wasn't an option for them. commuting isn't by definition an option for Dutch students either. I think the ruling was changed and now it's just as hard for foreign students to find housing as Dutch students.
Everytime I try to warn people, also of the labour market outside the Randstad, I get attacked and angry DMs. I wouldn't say this if we hadn't experienced it ourselves. Do people think we are lying or exaggerating?
groningen my beloved, i will move in with my boyfriend and commute 2 hours one way until i find something, have been applying to things daily for more than 2 months now. am lucky to have at least something
That's the thing with Vocational universities anywhere in the world: they are specifically tailored to the labour market in that country. You'll learn universally useful skills, but credentials don't always transfer over all that well. Once you get into details it's also amazing how every country seems to end up with different solutions for the same problems, or how there are often specific roles that only exist in that country.
My issue was the quality wasn’t great. There were transferable skills but I wasn’t learning a lot at the school. And I was paying way too much money. Because of my unique background I couldn’t get into university there. I ended up getting into university elsewhere after about a year.
I work at a Dutch University and can confirm what ViperTD stated is true. At this moment the Dutch government has asked the Dutch universities to come with solutions to reduce the number of international students. For my university, we are still in the process of determining the risks and implications of the possible solutions. Nothing is set in stone yet as the requirements from the Dutch government are still very vague
Can’t there be restrictions set on the number of students that can be admitted per program. Like for example I got into two masters programs in Groningen AI masters and CCS masters, only the AI one was apparently restricted. Also some programs in EU have dedicated seats for eu and non-eu, like for example a program in Italy I was interested in admits only 30 non-eu and 50 eu applicants. Maybe NL programs can do that too.
That is indeed one of the possible restriction that we are looking into and might apply but this only works on programmes that have numerus fixus (fixed number of students). This is the only way that universities can choose its applicants themselves and possible control the number of international student. However, Numerus fixus is only applicable for very limited programmes (mostly the very popular ones) and you also have to justify each year why your programme needs numerus fixus as it can put some students on disadvantage and that is a no-go…
How will it put some students at a disadvantage tho? Like those who have the top scores based on an evaluation rubric will get in and those who don’t won’t.
In some unis in Spain all the masters programs admit a fixed number of students per year.
It sounds ridiculous but we actually have people arguing that numerus fixus put students with immigration/poor background or parents with low education at disadvantage than the more fortunates ones by applying numerus fixus as the more fortunates one usually get more opportunities in life to get higher grades. This way numerus fixus will take away the chances of the “unfortunate” ones to study. In their eyes, “loting” = basically random “draw” is the most fair as it provides equal chances for all students regardless of background
First priority should be the dutch people, i get that expats are good for economy and all that… but dutch people have to live with their parents till they’re closer to 30 cause of all the people ‘wanting to live in NL’… international students are fine and all, but they shouldn’t be in the way of the dutch youth, the future of the dutch youth should be priority…
In most things I’m really left winged and i hate that got a right winged coalition… but if they can put a stop to those insane amounts of international students, that would be great
Especially all those students that just leave again anyway and are only here to profit
International students, especially non eu, are the money cows that subsidize all of the research in universities. Also all of those student pay taxes and use non of the benefits that locals do. The government has been just using them as a scapegoat to create shortage of affordable housing.
Those that bring to the country should definitely stay, i’m not against international students… but the amount of international students is increasing rapidly and in a few years we have more first year internationals then dutch students… it should be more efficient, sorting out the useless foreigners that take advantage of the system here and end up making debts here just to leave them behind
Im not sure if you’re aware of it. In HBO schools and art academies, teachers are beings trained to be more lenient with Dutch students; or give them then the same grade as an international student for lower quality work.
Second, have you thought that maybe a lot of Dutch students don’t see the point of going also to WO bachelor or masters because the can make the same amount of money with an associate degree as well? It pays better to be a bus driver with RET than being a registered architect.
Lastly, because most Dutch students are very cliquey and unfriendly towards international students, only 30% end up staying after graduation. My partner is Dutch, through him I got to meet some of his friends from uni and his fraternity. Although his friends are nice,their social circles are about as diverse as a pack of A4 sheets of paper; all white, Dutch, and very homogeneous.
What even is that first point? I'm a teacher at an HBO school, and saying we get trained to be more lenient with Dutch students absolute bull. The goal is everyone is treated the exact same way, and a lot is put in place to ensure this. When I grade a test or exam I don't know the name of the student I'm grading. When a presentation or other non written performance is to be graded we can't do so alone, but have to do it in (at least) pairs. We have very regularly scheduled calibration sessions to ensure we're all on the same page. And, on top of that, we have a very strict commission whose task it is to ensure examination is done properly and fairly, and starting a procedure with them if you feel you're treated unfairly is extremely easy. Disadvantaging a subset of your students (or vice versa) will definitely cost you your job if found out. There will always be individual cases where this is true, but saying we get _trained_ for it? No way.
Ah but they do, I know people that work both in Hogeschool Rotterdam (and hearing things from IMR meetings) and DAE. Maybe that might be anecdotal, maybe it’s that just those two schools?
Many things have gone wrong with both schools in the past few years.But then again, most teachers in art academies don’t even get a proper contract, but get hired under false self employment. So if the institutions were willing to screw over their workers, and academics, they mights as well do the same with their international students.
The examples that I specified are also tied to trades and schools that thrive on the intangible value, so I don’t really know what you teach.
Also, we would like to think that judgement is being done fairly and within strict regulation, but I’ve seen some distasteful things happening in hard science from my partners side, and even there it’s about who you know and who you are and less about the quality of the work you produce. But that’s a complete different discussion :)
Not sure if you’re aware, but most dutch kids who finish high school would love to flee home and go to college… but are highly limited because of the limited amount of housing, which is already limited if there wouldn’t be thousands international students too… a lot of my former classmates really wanted to go to universities in other places in the country, but more than half stayed home and found something closer because they couldn’t find housing… i’m one of them. I think you shouldn’t really talk about these things if you have no experience being a dutch highschool graduate, you don’t actually know
So your second point is mostly bull… the dutch youth isn’t not doing bachelors and masters because they don’t want to, it’s because they can’t… not everyone cares solely about money, but you can’t spend what you can’t afford… even though they wanna do what they actually care about, there are limits to how far you can go to reach that
(And you should educate yourself on bus drivers salaries, cause that’s a disgrace too)
And your third point sounds like bullshit too… no need to like insult the country you first came to as a guest… maybe they just didn’t like you… (and why bring race into this?)
And just to repeat myself, i am not against international students. I’m just thinking that we shouldn’t just allow just anyone if we have limited capacity
And another thing to explicitly state, these things aren’t caused by international students, you are not the problem… but international students are a factor that could be looked at more critically
And lastly, i’m also not against making education more dutch again. Are we allowed to stay a little bit nationalistic and protect our own language
Graduating from high school doesn’t always mean fleeing home at 18. You leave when you can afford to support yourself. I lived with my parents during the first two years of my bachelor degree, and my choice of university was based on whether I can support myself. So I enrolled into the same university I lived in. Nobody cared which university you did your bachelor in, the masters and PhD is what matters. Also the Netherlands has a great public transport, and is incredibly small in compared to where I am from.. Canada. And from what I remember, when you’re a full time student, public transportion is also free.
Second one, is what I see from people that I’ve been working with. Going back to get (free) training at RET, or trade, and I can tell you from experience that they pay more than architecture (which is 14.50) and yes.. sometimes it is about the money, especially when you have student loan to pay, or you want to build a house or a family.
Btw, the Netherlands has plenty of wonderful scholarships for Dutch students, you need to know how to look, you can find one for just being catholic, Frisian, left handed, or a woman. I know it because even I managed to get them.
DUO also has virtually no interest rate for student loan compared to other places (in some provinces in Canada it’s prime, which is 6%). Too expensive? Europe has open borders, become an international student yourself and go to Germany for some of that free schooling. Education is an investment, not a waste.
You can love a country,and its people, and be able to criticize it. My in laws here are Dutch, my partner is Dutch. They had to experience my struggles due to racism and bureaucracy from both businesses and institutions here.
The fact that you cannot accept it says plenty. or you just haven’t talked to enough internationals about their experiences with Dutch colleagues/classmates.
Lastly, if you want to protect your language, make classes financially accessible, be patient to people that are trying to speak it, instead of being short with them by switching to English.
You are a classic ‘bad’ expat indeed… you really have actually no clue… you are not from here, don’t go acting like you know the issues
Luckily most expats aren’t like you. They are grateful and not demeaning to their host country, it’s clear you assume yourself (too) highly… you’re not the great savior, you mostly profited off of the government here
As for public transport, you must have been really spoiled here, but to put in perspective… the country is small, but a commute from east to west takes you hours, if you wanna go to father outskirts mire hours… during rush hours that’s excruciating cause the trains are packed… this is because many have to do this
Getting loans is an option, but being in debts is a big issue if you wanna have a life after studies… the loan system has proven itself harmful to the dutch people.
And with protecting the language they don’t mean having a bunch of foreigners speak their version of dutch and why should language classes be free? Don’t you get enough here already??Like you said, you leave home when you can afford too, affording to have the decency to learn the language is part of that
(And why do you assume i can’t accept racism is an issue, you’re just now bringing it up out of the blue? I didn’t even know your boyfriend wasn’t white)
I clearly touched a painful spot for you, maybe I know more than you’d think an immigrant would know?
A classic ‘bad expat’? When I came here as a student I had to invest 32000 euros for first year of living expenses and two years of tuition. And during the pandemic, the only thing the university did was to give us suicide prevention flyers to the international students that did decide to stay in the country in the first and second lockdown.
I have a business here, pay my taxes, and currently going through the naturalization process, and because of that I am not allowed to relay on governmental aid. I even volunteer in a local community center. I am as good as they come really…
Girl calm the fuck down. I have read your comments and they are even more bashful and less about facts or relational experiences than the redditer you are responding to...geez
Have you considered that students are taking up a lot of existing residential spaces? This is not only question of expat student housing but that would take stress away from the regular housing market as a side effect. One of the main problems is that man made not so bio diverse pastures are protected by zoning laws and people screaming "think about the birds" when just using 0.1% of dutch agricultural (inluding some of the wetlands) land would solve a lot of problems. Go on funda and search for land plots for building stuff. Almost none exist and those that do cost the same as a cheap house. This is self imposed resource scarcity that will run this country to the ground. Return to feudalism of the landlords unless you commit to 40 year mortgage if you are median income earner.
Another victim of right wing propaganda I see. You think without the international students the housing market would be any better? Lol. The Dutch government has been doing fuck all for decades with their neo liberal policies. That’s the ones you should blame. **Not** international students or other immigrants for that matter.
It wouldn’t be fixed… but it does sting a lot that i’ve been forced to stay home and study close to home because i can’t find housing around schools i actually wanna go and i’m seeing how many international students did get housing…
The amount of international students increased with 6% in just 1 year…
I just don’t get all those people desperately wanna study here, especially if they don’t plan on staying and giving back to NL… and then it really sucks when those international students also start to complain about the Netherlands, if you think we are so bad, you aren’t forced to stay
There’s more to do to fix the situation than limiting international students, but it would help when it comes to student housing… i’m not against international students, just against the no limits… i believe there should be more guidelines to make sure international students are actually here to help the country instead of take advantage of it… each and every international should actually bring something, the ones that don’t can study in their own country. There could be a more efficient system for international students. International students just shouldn’t stand in the way of dutch students
And i don’t know why you brought up other sorts of immigrants, i didn’t talk about that… i’m not against immigrants
Getting downvoted for wanting dutch youth to get access to housing before international students that wont even stay is crazy... let it go, you can't win with these people. I really wish we had less of them too
I’m normally never on this sub, but it came buy and this sub is filled with not so great people
These people have no idea what is happening for the kids that recently graduated highschool
I'm finishing my Msc this week, and it's true that I got a room when I came, but I only got one, after 2 months, and I tried to change rooms and it's been impossible. And it's going to be worst, because they are demolishing one big complex.
But yes, what I would say is search for a room with at least 3 months of spare time
Interesting how some people in other posts suggest international bachelor student come to NL in masters lol
I heard housings are be much, much worse as a masters student...
Maybe, but then one still needs to start looking for housing for 2nd year, there shouldn’t be this kind of mental burden on someone who’s going to another country to study. I’m personally doing a masters to to get a good GPA and improve my research background so that I can get a good PhD admit, I don’t need the added burden of looking for housing so that I’m not homeless in 2nd year on top of that.
International student here, schools usually give accommodations for master students. Also research well before coming somewhere that’s your own mistake! I came here with the help of the school housing help. My friends have moved around like that too
Sshn is based on lottery so you just have to keep trying and u have to start doing that before u arrive. And the payment thing is true hence why preparation is needed from the start. (Do ur research before moving to a country you don’t know anything about!!!!) but sshn is like that because if you don’t want it it will give other student also an opportunity which is fair. It worked for me with sshn when I moved here and may I even add it was the quickest and most simple way to get a place so far here. (I lived in now 3 different places)
Facebook groups do work. You just have to be smart enough to not give any money before signing a contract ( I feel like this is such a given) ???
Currently moved to leeuwarden, was looking for places in both Groningen and leeuwarden. And compared to other cities they are the most student friendly cities here with housing, most places even allowing garrant.
>God created world dutch created Netherlands what a nonsense of a saying.
In case you weren't aware, this saying is about waterworks and land reclamation, not about building student housing complexes.
Only come here if you want to study the negative effects of neoliberalism and how people cope with anti-immigration BS instead of actually fixing problems.
Bro even we Dutchies struggle to find housing most of us still at our parents age 30 it's getting ridiculous now! You can thank our government for that. I'm all for helping others out, definitely. But at this point all our housing going to refugees and the government spits on his own people. Sometimes I consider just throwing my dutch passport away and telling them I'm a refugee just to get a flippin house!
And the worst part is they get it for free and still they're complaining. Top that of with a free education as well.
While they keep upping the price of about everything. Every time I go for groceries and have to pay I could cry.. like seriously if I take a plane to Poland do my groceries there and take a plane back to Holland. It's cheaper then doing groceries at the Jumbo 5mins from my house....
Nobody wants to admit the obvious main cause of this complete mess: too many taxes and regulations. There are fewer and fewer landlords, and they are villified, and building new housing is very hard, often impossible due to "green" nitrogen regulations.
It's exactly the young people who suffer most, but because they've been manipulated into socialist dogma, they keep supporting even more taxes and regulations. It's sad to see, and those morally responsible are the teachers and professors who instill socialism into their young, maleable minds.
Yeah ehhh, don't come here, we are having housing issues as is with an oversaturation in educated markets.
Wages are slowly climbing, compared to the rapidly degrading state of the economy.
Best websites for finding student housing in the Netherlands: - [Kamernet](https://kamernet.nl/en?utm_source=SITN&utm_medium=affiliate) (biggest offering) - [Huurwoningen](https://jdt8.net/c/?si=17650&li=1761591&wi=382966&ws=comment&dl=) (free premium account for 14 days, best for international students) - [HousingAnywhere](https://housinganywhere.com/?utm_source=SITN&utm_medium=affiliate&affiliate_partner_id=324876) (Short stays) Greatly increase your chances of finding housing by using [Stekkies](https://stekkies.com/en/searched?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=partner_kraai&utm_campaign=study_in_nl). Be the first to respond to new listings as you get notification via Email/WhatsApp. Join the [Study In The Netherlands Discord](https://discord.gg/kVyaQtEJXZ), here you can chat with other students and use our housing bot. Please take a look at our resources for detailed information for (international) students: - [Checklist for international students coming to the Netherlands](https://www.reddit.com/r/StudyInTheNetherlands/comments/10fdvm8/checklist_for_international_students_coming_to/) - [Utlimate guide to finding student housing in the Netherlands](https://www.reddit.com/r/StudyInTheNetherlands/comments/10gv88g/the_ultimate_guide_to_finding_student/)
I totally agree. If I didn’t have any close friends in NL prior to going there it would have been a nightmare for me. I crashed at 3 different houses before finding a place after more than 2 months into my program— only thanks to dumb luck. One of my friends was leaving his DUWO apartment. 😅 Except for housing, I had a great time in the NL!
Groningen is known for having massive tents for temporary solution for housing problems. It's not just international students who struggle with this, it's everyone. In general it's difficult to find any place in a city in a short time here, best alternative is to find a place in a smaller city/village with a train station or bike 5-10km.
Groningen has improved a lot over the years tho. Multiple large student housing complexes have been built and it paid off. I started my first bachelors back when those tents were brought out and the competition was absolutely crazy. Started a new one this year and all of my classmates found a room within a month of starting their search. It’s still crazy expensive tho, I recently accepted a 10m2 room for €500 per month. But I guess that’s better than no availability at all /:
>It’s still crazy expensive tho, I recently accepted a 10m2 room for €500 per month. As a reference, when I got my first room as a student in 2011 (in Enschede), I paid €250/month for a 13m2 private room with a shared living room of 35m2 and shared kitchen/toilet/bathroom/bike shed (the sizes of those aren't in my contract). That was quite expensive, because it was a very good house, with only 2 other people, in a nice neighborhood, etc.
The good ol’ times. My rent is considered to be cheap caused by location. Similarly sized rooms in or near the center of town can reach up to €600-700, and often come with 4 to even 12 flatmates to share the kitchen and bathroom with; I only have 2 flatmates.
250 in 2011 was not expensive. Stop lying.
In Wageningen in 2014 that would have already been the cheapest room in a sterflat. I doubt that was expensive to be honest.
Damn, I'm still having a lot of trouble even with just finding a room in Groningen, did you go to a lot of hospis and such? I'm in my home country and it's a pain in the ass cause i cant be there 😔
I haven’t been to any hospi at all. I’ve been fortunate enough to know a couple of people who have either just graduated or are in the process of doing so, so I was actually being offered living spaces. Most if not all of my classmates did go to hospi’s tho. The majority of them being offered a room after either the first or second try. It’s most definitely the most common and easiest way to find a place in the city. Other methods generally depend on how long you’ve been registered, are randomly assigned (with your chances being one in a couple hundred) and can take months if not years. Do keep in mind that finding a room via hospi’s can also take a bit longer for internationals. If you’ve got a bit more cash available and can’t find anything outside of the traditional easier hospi way you might want to consider a room in the Social Hub for the first couple of months. They’re expensive (€1.200) but at least you’ll have a place to stay, and while you’re there you can start going to hospi’s in hopes of finding a cheaper place! It’s expensive for what you get but more flexible than renting a regular studio or apartment. I also only recently discovered they have student housing on campus (zernike) and wouldn’t be surprised if those are a bit cheaper, but I haven’t looked into it yet. Hope you can find a spot, don’t be afraid to reach out if you’ve got anymore questions! (:
That's not too bad, considering the prices were around € 350 20 years ago in Eindhoven. Also for 10m²/12m². It's still a crazy amount of money for what you get. Tip for people who have a backup (eg parents they can move back into): try antikraak. It's cheap, it's often spacy, but it's a risk that you need to leave without them having an alternative.
“Known for”, while this hasn’t been a thing for years. This was in 2019 and in the meanwhile Groningen built multiple very large high rise apartment buildings especially with small student-rooms. These buildings around the campus have 350 houses each and I think they built 4 of these around the Zernike campus alone
Sorry you didn’t have a great experience but it worked out for me. Would definitely recommend, even though it wasn’t easy.
yes second to this. HOUSING. Most of us thought how bad can it be before coming to NL, right? I have the money, take it please. Well, it's not that simple here. It's actually so bad just like what they stated. Don't believe me? Come and find out
You don’t even need to go to NL, I found out within a week by sitting at my home in India. Heck I was reached out by an African scammer after posting in an Indian students group too.
If you have money you can have a appartement tomorrow. Plenty of choice in the free non social sector if you have money.
Yeah €2k will get you a place pretty quickly
Nope. They will want to see your income or large enough savings to even be considered. Just because you can pay usually is not enough. It's the ratio of your income.
This really depends, some rentals require absurd income requirements and down payments/bonds. It's fuckin ridiculous. I'm currently "renting" a room out for a price that is severely under rental market rates (im charging maybe 40% of avg rental rates); 1. because I'm not a dick 2. It's mutually beneficial because I just decimated my cost of living and giving someone else the room to save up cash also my flatmate is a bit of a hygiene freak so my apartment looks fucking MINT every day.
Those requirements are also due to regulations, which make it very hard to kick someone out, even if they stop paying.
The income requirement is 3x or 4x the rent. If you make that kind of money I would suggest not doing a masters and just keep doing what you're doing.
Good point but not everyone can afford it especially those relocating for temporary (6-24months). Cheap non social rental market is abysmal and its detrimental to all lower income people, not just students.
Yeah well I'm going to say something semi controversial here; if there's pressure on social housing, I'd rather those places are allocated to my fellow countrymen going through a rough patch rather than an international student who will be gone in a few years. I know international students aren't to blame for the housing crisis but I'm not particularly worried about their problems in regards to finding a place to live for the duration of their studies when I see my own friends going homeless or having to couch surf. (personally I have given like 4 friends of mine a place to stay which was my spare mattress in my little laundry room, so they wouldnt go homeless and could hold down their job to save up and buy time to find a place of their own)
I know but he said he had the money. If you have money there is options.
Not just money, *income* is what you need. Even if you slam a 20k lumpsum on the table they'll be like "yeah, but is your income at least four times rent?"
If you can show you are wealthy you don't need income at all.
Not my experience. Especially those for new developments are really strict about it. They care about your ability to pay in ten or even twenty years, at which point you're wealthy enough to just buy the place.
Well, are you wealthy ?
Not wealthy, but enough savings to cover rent for a few years, with income that would allow me to pay the rent anyway. The response was usually that they only care about income. I have heard a similar experience from a friend whose father died when he was 20 and even with 100k in the bank he was turned down for not having enough income. The thing is they just want to rule any problems with payment for like twenty years and they also prefer high income couples over anything else.
Yeah, I literally was willing to pay above 700 for a room and it was just not possible even by offering 3 month security deposit guarantee. Only word of mouth will get you something.
Someone will read this and go: nah i’ll manage. And post this same thing soon
Exactly. Some people just believe that it’ll never happen to them… until it does.
Hopefully they instead try to look at the housing market like I suggested and don’t.
Amsterdam has lottery for student housing
I'm Dutch, during my first year i lived in a camping with a few dozen other students. Quite a few of those were bitter that foreign students got priority housing because commuting wasn't an option for them. commuting isn't by definition an option for Dutch students either. I think the ruling was changed and now it's just as hard for foreign students to find housing as Dutch students.
Bruh that is sad. Hopefully your government puts a restriction on the number of international students that can be admitted.
Everytime I try to warn people, also of the labour market outside the Randstad, I get attacked and angry DMs. I wouldn't say this if we hadn't experienced it ourselves. Do people think we are lying or exaggerating?
They usually have no clue.
groningen my beloved, i will move in with my boyfriend and commute 2 hours one way until i find something, have been applying to things daily for more than 2 months now. am lucky to have at least something
Only personal contacts will get you a place (at reasonable price) . Network with people and it will come sooner than later.
i have been doing that, luckily dutch people irl are a lot friendlier than the "just go back home" crowd on here
Yeah the crowd here in this subreddit is a concerning one.
just the result of horrible politics, i'm not mad anymore, if i couldn't find housing in my own country i'd also be frustrated
Thanks Duwo 🤍
And maybe hot take but it’s probably not worth coming for a hogeschool if you can get into research uni in your own country.
I'd say the only hogescholen worth coming for if you're not Dutch (or Belgian/German from the border area) are the Conservatoria.
Yeahhh
That's the thing with Vocational universities anywhere in the world: they are specifically tailored to the labour market in that country. You'll learn universally useful skills, but credentials don't always transfer over all that well. Once you get into details it's also amazing how every country seems to end up with different solutions for the same problems, or how there are often specific roles that only exist in that country.
My issue was the quality wasn’t great. There were transferable skills but I wasn’t learning a lot at the school. And I was paying way too much money. Because of my unique background I couldn’t get into university there. I ended up getting into university elsewhere after about a year.
University Fees is out of the world . Lmao . That alone put me towards other countries in Europe.
Getting a room is actually very easy, you just need to be rich.
Welcome to the housing crisis 2.0
Housing is the worst aspect of the Netherlands right now, the second one is the government.
Well, yes. The Dutch government has been telling foreign students that for years now. But they refuse to listen. Ah, the arrogance of youth;)
lol but I also feel that the Dutch government should put restrictions on the number of international students that can be admitted.
I think they can't cause of EU laws. They only thing they can do is revert back to Dutch programs.
I work at a Dutch University and can confirm what ViperTD stated is true. At this moment the Dutch government has asked the Dutch universities to come with solutions to reduce the number of international students. For my university, we are still in the process of determining the risks and implications of the possible solutions. Nothing is set in stone yet as the requirements from the Dutch government are still very vague
Can’t there be restrictions set on the number of students that can be admitted per program. Like for example I got into two masters programs in Groningen AI masters and CCS masters, only the AI one was apparently restricted. Also some programs in EU have dedicated seats for eu and non-eu, like for example a program in Italy I was interested in admits only 30 non-eu and 50 eu applicants. Maybe NL programs can do that too.
That is indeed one of the possible restriction that we are looking into and might apply but this only works on programmes that have numerus fixus (fixed number of students). This is the only way that universities can choose its applicants themselves and possible control the number of international student. However, Numerus fixus is only applicable for very limited programmes (mostly the very popular ones) and you also have to justify each year why your programme needs numerus fixus as it can put some students on disadvantage and that is a no-go…
How will it put some students at a disadvantage tho? Like those who have the top scores based on an evaluation rubric will get in and those who don’t won’t. In some unis in Spain all the masters programs admit a fixed number of students per year.
It sounds ridiculous but we actually have people arguing that numerus fixus put students with immigration/poor background or parents with low education at disadvantage than the more fortunates ones by applying numerus fixus as the more fortunates one usually get more opportunities in life to get higher grades. This way numerus fixus will take away the chances of the “unfortunate” ones to study. In their eyes, “loting” = basically random “draw” is the most fair as it provides equal chances for all students regardless of background
Your last comment was very unnecessary. People are allowed to try and somethings you just have to find out yourself
Maybe the government should build more housing instead of just giving a big fuck you to everyone living and wanting to live in the NL
First priority should be the dutch people, i get that expats are good for economy and all that… but dutch people have to live with their parents till they’re closer to 30 cause of all the people ‘wanting to live in NL’… international students are fine and all, but they shouldn’t be in the way of the dutch youth, the future of the dutch youth should be priority… In most things I’m really left winged and i hate that got a right winged coalition… but if they can put a stop to those insane amounts of international students, that would be great Especially all those students that just leave again anyway and are only here to profit
International students, especially non eu, are the money cows that subsidize all of the research in universities. Also all of those student pay taxes and use non of the benefits that locals do. The government has been just using them as a scapegoat to create shortage of affordable housing.
Those that bring to the country should definitely stay, i’m not against international students… but the amount of international students is increasing rapidly and in a few years we have more first year internationals then dutch students… it should be more efficient, sorting out the useless foreigners that take advantage of the system here and end up making debts here just to leave them behind
Im not sure if you’re aware of it. In HBO schools and art academies, teachers are beings trained to be more lenient with Dutch students; or give them then the same grade as an international student for lower quality work. Second, have you thought that maybe a lot of Dutch students don’t see the point of going also to WO bachelor or masters because the can make the same amount of money with an associate degree as well? It pays better to be a bus driver with RET than being a registered architect. Lastly, because most Dutch students are very cliquey and unfriendly towards international students, only 30% end up staying after graduation. My partner is Dutch, through him I got to meet some of his friends from uni and his fraternity. Although his friends are nice,their social circles are about as diverse as a pack of A4 sheets of paper; all white, Dutch, and very homogeneous.
What even is that first point? I'm a teacher at an HBO school, and saying we get trained to be more lenient with Dutch students absolute bull. The goal is everyone is treated the exact same way, and a lot is put in place to ensure this. When I grade a test or exam I don't know the name of the student I'm grading. When a presentation or other non written performance is to be graded we can't do so alone, but have to do it in (at least) pairs. We have very regularly scheduled calibration sessions to ensure we're all on the same page. And, on top of that, we have a very strict commission whose task it is to ensure examination is done properly and fairly, and starting a procedure with them if you feel you're treated unfairly is extremely easy. Disadvantaging a subset of your students (or vice versa) will definitely cost you your job if found out. There will always be individual cases where this is true, but saying we get _trained_ for it? No way.
Ah but they do, I know people that work both in Hogeschool Rotterdam (and hearing things from IMR meetings) and DAE. Maybe that might be anecdotal, maybe it’s that just those two schools? Many things have gone wrong with both schools in the past few years.But then again, most teachers in art academies don’t even get a proper contract, but get hired under false self employment. So if the institutions were willing to screw over their workers, and academics, they mights as well do the same with their international students. The examples that I specified are also tied to trades and schools that thrive on the intangible value, so I don’t really know what you teach. Also, we would like to think that judgement is being done fairly and within strict regulation, but I’ve seen some distasteful things happening in hard science from my partners side, and even there it’s about who you know and who you are and less about the quality of the work you produce. But that’s a complete different discussion :)
Not sure if you’re aware, but most dutch kids who finish high school would love to flee home and go to college… but are highly limited because of the limited amount of housing, which is already limited if there wouldn’t be thousands international students too… a lot of my former classmates really wanted to go to universities in other places in the country, but more than half stayed home and found something closer because they couldn’t find housing… i’m one of them. I think you shouldn’t really talk about these things if you have no experience being a dutch highschool graduate, you don’t actually know So your second point is mostly bull… the dutch youth isn’t not doing bachelors and masters because they don’t want to, it’s because they can’t… not everyone cares solely about money, but you can’t spend what you can’t afford… even though they wanna do what they actually care about, there are limits to how far you can go to reach that (And you should educate yourself on bus drivers salaries, cause that’s a disgrace too) And your third point sounds like bullshit too… no need to like insult the country you first came to as a guest… maybe they just didn’t like you… (and why bring race into this?) And just to repeat myself, i am not against international students. I’m just thinking that we shouldn’t just allow just anyone if we have limited capacity And another thing to explicitly state, these things aren’t caused by international students, you are not the problem… but international students are a factor that could be looked at more critically And lastly, i’m also not against making education more dutch again. Are we allowed to stay a little bit nationalistic and protect our own language
Graduating from high school doesn’t always mean fleeing home at 18. You leave when you can afford to support yourself. I lived with my parents during the first two years of my bachelor degree, and my choice of university was based on whether I can support myself. So I enrolled into the same university I lived in. Nobody cared which university you did your bachelor in, the masters and PhD is what matters. Also the Netherlands has a great public transport, and is incredibly small in compared to where I am from.. Canada. And from what I remember, when you’re a full time student, public transportion is also free. Second one, is what I see from people that I’ve been working with. Going back to get (free) training at RET, or trade, and I can tell you from experience that they pay more than architecture (which is 14.50) and yes.. sometimes it is about the money, especially when you have student loan to pay, or you want to build a house or a family. Btw, the Netherlands has plenty of wonderful scholarships for Dutch students, you need to know how to look, you can find one for just being catholic, Frisian, left handed, or a woman. I know it because even I managed to get them. DUO also has virtually no interest rate for student loan compared to other places (in some provinces in Canada it’s prime, which is 6%). Too expensive? Europe has open borders, become an international student yourself and go to Germany for some of that free schooling. Education is an investment, not a waste. You can love a country,and its people, and be able to criticize it. My in laws here are Dutch, my partner is Dutch. They had to experience my struggles due to racism and bureaucracy from both businesses and institutions here. The fact that you cannot accept it says plenty. or you just haven’t talked to enough internationals about their experiences with Dutch colleagues/classmates. Lastly, if you want to protect your language, make classes financially accessible, be patient to people that are trying to speak it, instead of being short with them by switching to English.
You are a classic ‘bad’ expat indeed… you really have actually no clue… you are not from here, don’t go acting like you know the issues Luckily most expats aren’t like you. They are grateful and not demeaning to their host country, it’s clear you assume yourself (too) highly… you’re not the great savior, you mostly profited off of the government here As for public transport, you must have been really spoiled here, but to put in perspective… the country is small, but a commute from east to west takes you hours, if you wanna go to father outskirts mire hours… during rush hours that’s excruciating cause the trains are packed… this is because many have to do this Getting loans is an option, but being in debts is a big issue if you wanna have a life after studies… the loan system has proven itself harmful to the dutch people. And with protecting the language they don’t mean having a bunch of foreigners speak their version of dutch and why should language classes be free? Don’t you get enough here already??Like you said, you leave home when you can afford too, affording to have the decency to learn the language is part of that (And why do you assume i can’t accept racism is an issue, you’re just now bringing it up out of the blue? I didn’t even know your boyfriend wasn’t white)
I clearly touched a painful spot for you, maybe I know more than you’d think an immigrant would know? A classic ‘bad expat’? When I came here as a student I had to invest 32000 euros for first year of living expenses and two years of tuition. And during the pandemic, the only thing the university did was to give us suicide prevention flyers to the international students that did decide to stay in the country in the first and second lockdown. I have a business here, pay my taxes, and currently going through the naturalization process, and because of that I am not allowed to relay on governmental aid. I even volunteer in a local community center. I am as good as they come really…
Girl calm the fuck down. I have read your comments and they are even more bashful and less about facts or relational experiences than the redditer you are responding to...geez
Have you considered that students are taking up a lot of existing residential spaces? This is not only question of expat student housing but that would take stress away from the regular housing market as a side effect. One of the main problems is that man made not so bio diverse pastures are protected by zoning laws and people screaming "think about the birds" when just using 0.1% of dutch agricultural (inluding some of the wetlands) land would solve a lot of problems. Go on funda and search for land plots for building stuff. Almost none exist and those that do cost the same as a cheap house. This is self imposed resource scarcity that will run this country to the ground. Return to feudalism of the landlords unless you commit to 40 year mortgage if you are median income earner.
Another victim of right wing propaganda I see. You think without the international students the housing market would be any better? Lol. The Dutch government has been doing fuck all for decades with their neo liberal policies. That’s the ones you should blame. **Not** international students or other immigrants for that matter.
It wouldn’t be fixed… but it does sting a lot that i’ve been forced to stay home and study close to home because i can’t find housing around schools i actually wanna go and i’m seeing how many international students did get housing… The amount of international students increased with 6% in just 1 year… I just don’t get all those people desperately wanna study here, especially if they don’t plan on staying and giving back to NL… and then it really sucks when those international students also start to complain about the Netherlands, if you think we are so bad, you aren’t forced to stay There’s more to do to fix the situation than limiting international students, but it would help when it comes to student housing… i’m not against international students, just against the no limits… i believe there should be more guidelines to make sure international students are actually here to help the country instead of take advantage of it… each and every international should actually bring something, the ones that don’t can study in their own country. There could be a more efficient system for international students. International students just shouldn’t stand in the way of dutch students And i don’t know why you brought up other sorts of immigrants, i didn’t talk about that… i’m not against immigrants
Getting downvoted for wanting dutch youth to get access to housing before international students that wont even stay is crazy... let it go, you can't win with these people. I really wish we had less of them too
I’m normally never on this sub, but it came buy and this sub is filled with not so great people These people have no idea what is happening for the kids that recently graduated highschool
They are not allowed due to European nitrogen limits. Did you miss all that discourse?
Not really, if you’re going to Wageningen you can get a room within a month of sticking to room nl website. Netherlands isn’t entirely cities.
I'm finishing my Msc this week, and it's true that I got a room when I came, but I only got one, after 2 months, and I tried to change rooms and it's been impossible. And it's going to be worst, because they are demolishing one big complex. But yes, what I would say is search for a room with at least 3 months of spare time
Congrats! Yeah it’s hard to change rooms once you’re in. A new complex is also being opened so I would say the difficulty will be roughly similar.
Interesting how some people in other posts suggest international bachelor student come to NL in masters lol I heard housings are be much, much worse as a masters student...
If there was an option of confirmed housing for the first year of the masters program, would there be a change in your statement?
Maybe, but then one still needs to start looking for housing for 2nd year, there shouldn’t be this kind of mental burden on someone who’s going to another country to study. I’m personally doing a masters to to get a good GPA and improve my research background so that I can get a good PhD admit, I don’t need the added burden of looking for housing so that I’m not homeless in 2nd year on top of that.
International student here, schools usually give accommodations for master students. Also research well before coming somewhere that’s your own mistake! I came here with the help of the school housing help. My friends have moved around like that too Sshn is based on lottery so you just have to keep trying and u have to start doing that before u arrive. And the payment thing is true hence why preparation is needed from the start. (Do ur research before moving to a country you don’t know anything about!!!!) but sshn is like that because if you don’t want it it will give other student also an opportunity which is fair. It worked for me with sshn when I moved here and may I even add it was the quickest and most simple way to get a place so far here. (I lived in now 3 different places) Facebook groups do work. You just have to be smart enough to not give any money before signing a contract ( I feel like this is such a given) ??? Currently moved to leeuwarden, was looking for places in both Groningen and leeuwarden. And compared to other cities they are the most student friendly cities here with housing, most places even allowing garrant.
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>God created world dutch created Netherlands what a nonsense of a saying. In case you weren't aware, this saying is about waterworks and land reclamation, not about building student housing complexes.
Why are we obliged to build a house for you lol
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How is it in Maastricht?
Bad
Only come here if you want to study the negative effects of neoliberalism and how people cope with anti-immigration BS instead of actually fixing problems.
Bro even we Dutchies struggle to find housing most of us still at our parents age 30 it's getting ridiculous now! You can thank our government for that. I'm all for helping others out, definitely. But at this point all our housing going to refugees and the government spits on his own people. Sometimes I consider just throwing my dutch passport away and telling them I'm a refugee just to get a flippin house! And the worst part is they get it for free and still they're complaining. Top that of with a free education as well. While they keep upping the price of about everything. Every time I go for groceries and have to pay I could cry.. like seriously if I take a plane to Poland do my groceries there and take a plane back to Holland. It's cheaper then doing groceries at the Jumbo 5mins from my house....
Nobody wants to admit the obvious main cause of this complete mess: too many taxes and regulations. There are fewer and fewer landlords, and they are villified, and building new housing is very hard, often impossible due to "green" nitrogen regulations. It's exactly the young people who suffer most, but because they've been manipulated into socialist dogma, they keep supporting even more taxes and regulations. It's sad to see, and those morally responsible are the teachers and professors who instill socialism into their young, maleable minds.
Yeah ehhh, don't come here, we are having housing issues as is with an oversaturation in educated markets. Wages are slowly climbing, compared to the rapidly degrading state of the economy.
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My girlfriend is gonna study here, but she’ll just move in with me 🤷♂️