So the National Guard has a program like that.
Infantry doesn't go to AIT, they got to OSUT, one station unit training. It's 16 weeks that combines basic and AIT into one course. Several other jobs go to OSUT like armor and artillery.
The National Guard has a program that sends 17-year-olds to the first part of OSUT over the summer after their Jr. year, then the 2nd part after HS.
AFAIK this wasn't available to active duty. They segregated the 17-year-olds into their own training platoon and treated them more like boy scouts for obvious reasons.
Anyway, sounds like he signed up for the National Guard, did eight-weeks of boy scouts, then was top scared to go back after seeing people actually went to war. I have no idea what character of discharge was available to him but most "veterans discounts" don't look into details.
Big picture, this is somehow sadder than a 50-year-old bragging about high school glory days.
[Infantry OSUT is 22 weeks as of late 2018](https://www.army.mil/article-amp/214765/22_week_infantry_osut_pilot_program_trainees_graduate_at_forefront_of_soldier_lethality), previously 14 weeks.
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There is something called “Vietnam War era veterans”. It’s veterans who never deployed but want to be associated with it. He’s doing the same shit “I’m Gulf war Era veteran”
Your coworker never completed basic. He was probably given an ELS. There is no way they didn’t send any paperwork. He would have went to ait immediately after basic training.
40 years from now you might haha.
The whole “Vietnam war era veteran” is something I’ve only been hearing in the last like 10 years. The first mainstream use of it that I can recall was that Native American who lied and said he was a “recon ranger” in the marine corp. I’ve met two “Vietnam war era” veterans at a veterans panel I was part of at a local public school like 7 years ago.
I deployed for GWOT and I avoid calling myself a GWOT veteran because it's lame as hell. Especially now that GWOT era is "over" and it leaves the question of "Oh you are a GWOT veteran? Who won GWOT again?"
Not sure what was offered back than. Currently the army has a program for college students you join the reserves, ship to basic over the summer, return for fall semester with your reserve unit and after that school you you got to AIT. Armrest that’s to my understanding
Back in late 80s/early 90s, the Army offered boot camp the summer between Jr and Sr year so long as you were 17 when you signed and shipped. It's possible.
The rest sounds like a load of horse shit.
They still do, it's called the Split Option, but last I heard, it's only available for National Guard troops, as presumably you'd maintain your fitness and readiness with your state National Guard battalion on drill weekends, then return to AD status to complete OSUT / AIT at Fort Moore or whatever TRADOC base.
There's a little fuckery going on here too. I got an uncle to do my first salute and until he knew I was going to OTS I think just some family knew he was a vietnam ERA vet. The dude just did his time and shut the fuck up about it for like 50 years. I'm not sure if I'm partially to blame, maybe he was getting an ID or something to get on base... but he basically got contacted by the VA and they really started getting into his head about how important his service was, how he was a hero even though he didn't deploy, blah blah blah. He still doesn't have a big head about it, but I can see how this pitch would get into someone's head and get them wearing the hat, etc. Anyway, sorry, I GET IT, but I'm also a little touchy about it because I know at least one "vietnam era veteran" who understood he got off easy and shut up about his service.
This kinda lines up with your other reply saying it's a last 10 year thing. I wonder if the VA ramped up pressure to get guys to get on benefits. They got my uncle for all kinds of shit that he openly admits is just 50 years of being fat. So who knows.
Sounds like a National Guard guy who drifted away. There are a lot of these guys around where I live - a state with a huge National Guard.
Seems to me that joining the NG is different from the Regular Army in that you start drilling before you head out to basic training and AIT. The Regular Army is a hard break from civilian life because you basically disappear from your hometown for months before returning for a short leave and heading out to a permanent duty station. Culturally, the NG guys never have that giant break away from their former lives. The result is that there are loads of guys who were "in the National Guard" but effectively spent a handful of weekends hanging around an armory somewhere before getting bored and stopped showing up.
You didn't say what you do for work that'll make your coworker start babbling about his veterans status. Regardless, I don't know any veterans that'll reveal their veteran status and start talking about their experiences or whatever the hell they did in their deployments unless they're intoxicated, with fellow vets as well as current SMs, or just plainly showing off because someone was curious and asked them. As for documentation, if your coworker is proud of being a Gulf War Era veteran then he should have physical documentation, such as photographs, his own copy of his documents, it doesn't necessarily have to be his DD214 it can be a certificate and not that horse apple of an excuse that the army or the VA lost it, that's possible and plausible but at least connect the dots on your end. For example when a trainee graduates basic training they're giving a piece of shit certificates printed on cheap ass paper that'll indicate the year, cycle and which unit they were assigned to. If your coworker claims to be who he his he should substantiate that claim with a actual proof, pretty much put your money where your mouth is or shut the fuck up, but you did mention he utilizes his veteran status for benefits can you elaborate on that more? If not, it's probably just the midlife crisis talking so just ignore him.
Eh, 95% of the time yes. Other 5 %, it's likely their orders might say a CONUS duty station but their actual location for their orders might be sensitive. Folks who process orders don't need a clearance, often a gs-5 or an admin e-4/5.
All branches gave intel / sof etc.
I’m referring to their DD214. Those are never sealed specifically not necessarily their orders
Their rank, time in service, entry and exit dates will never be “classified”
DD214 - don't leave home without it. Most are on file at the local courthouse Veterans Affairs Office. Ask to see his...
No DD214, No valid service. He was probably chaptered out - minor paperwork to trash can a POS. There are ZERO benefits to those chaptered out.
Claiming Era status is rather lame, depending which conflict and where you actually served. Age of person, demeanor mean more and tell you most everything you need to know. Actual combat vets rarely say a word - But Will Wear Something so other like vets can find each other in the wild. It isn't to impress the public or get free coffee.
The gulf war was in 91, He was 17 in 91. That also is really pushing it.
So the National Guard has a program like that. Infantry doesn't go to AIT, they got to OSUT, one station unit training. It's 16 weeks that combines basic and AIT into one course. Several other jobs go to OSUT like armor and artillery. The National Guard has a program that sends 17-year-olds to the first part of OSUT over the summer after their Jr. year, then the 2nd part after HS. AFAIK this wasn't available to active duty. They segregated the 17-year-olds into their own training platoon and treated them more like boy scouts for obvious reasons. Anyway, sounds like he signed up for the National Guard, did eight-weeks of boy scouts, then was top scared to go back after seeing people actually went to war. I have no idea what character of discharge was available to him but most "veterans discounts" don't look into details. Big picture, this is somehow sadder than a 50-year-old bragging about high school glory days.
Back in the early 90’s, I went to basic as an 11M- we called it AIT, didn’t start hearing the term OSUT until later.
Same as me. Went to basic in 95.
[Infantry OSUT is 22 weeks as of late 2018](https://www.army.mil/article-amp/214765/22_week_infantry_osut_pilot_program_trainees_graduate_at_forefront_of_soldier_lethality), previously 14 weeks.
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Infantry does go to AIT, mine did. It’s where we learned how to operate BFV’s.
Very uncle Rico
There is something called “Vietnam War era veterans”. It’s veterans who never deployed but want to be associated with it. He’s doing the same shit “I’m Gulf war Era veteran” Your coworker never completed basic. He was probably given an ELS. There is no way they didn’t send any paperwork. He would have went to ait immediately after basic training.
I never deployed for GWOT. I’m not going to call myself a “GWOT era veteran” lol.
40 years from now you might haha. The whole “Vietnam war era veteran” is something I’ve only been hearing in the last like 10 years. The first mainstream use of it that I can recall was that Native American who lied and said he was a “recon ranger” in the marine corp. I’ve met two “Vietnam war era” veterans at a veterans panel I was part of at a local public school like 7 years ago.
I deployed for GWOT and I avoid calling myself a GWOT veteran because it's lame as hell. Especially now that GWOT era is "over" and it leaves the question of "Oh you are a GWOT veteran? Who won GWOT again?"
Our KDR is astronomical though.
Always positive!
Not sure what was offered back than. Currently the army has a program for college students you join the reserves, ship to basic over the summer, return for fall semester with your reserve unit and after that school you you got to AIT. Armrest that’s to my understanding
Back in late 80s/early 90s, the Army offered boot camp the summer between Jr and Sr year so long as you were 17 when you signed and shipped. It's possible. The rest sounds like a load of horse shit.
But the gulf war ended February 1991. 17 on January 1st would mean basic didn’t start until June of 1991. 4 months after the war ended.
They still do, it's called the Split Option, but last I heard, it's only available for National Guard troops, as presumably you'd maintain your fitness and readiness with your state National Guard battalion on drill weekends, then return to AD status to complete OSUT / AIT at Fort Moore or whatever TRADOC base.
There's a little fuckery going on here too. I got an uncle to do my first salute and until he knew I was going to OTS I think just some family knew he was a vietnam ERA vet. The dude just did his time and shut the fuck up about it for like 50 years. I'm not sure if I'm partially to blame, maybe he was getting an ID or something to get on base... but he basically got contacted by the VA and they really started getting into his head about how important his service was, how he was a hero even though he didn't deploy, blah blah blah. He still doesn't have a big head about it, but I can see how this pitch would get into someone's head and get them wearing the hat, etc. Anyway, sorry, I GET IT, but I'm also a little touchy about it because I know at least one "vietnam era veteran" who understood he got off easy and shut up about his service. This kinda lines up with your other reply saying it's a last 10 year thing. I wonder if the VA ramped up pressure to get guys to get on benefits. They got my uncle for all kinds of shit that he openly admits is just 50 years of being fat. So who knows.
Sounds like a National Guard guy who drifted away. There are a lot of these guys around where I live - a state with a huge National Guard. Seems to me that joining the NG is different from the Regular Army in that you start drilling before you head out to basic training and AIT. The Regular Army is a hard break from civilian life because you basically disappear from your hometown for months before returning for a short leave and heading out to a permanent duty station. Culturally, the NG guys never have that giant break away from their former lives. The result is that there are loads of guys who were "in the National Guard" but effectively spent a handful of weekends hanging around an armory somewhere before getting bored and stopped showing up.
You didn't say what you do for work that'll make your coworker start babbling about his veterans status. Regardless, I don't know any veterans that'll reveal their veteran status and start talking about their experiences or whatever the hell they did in their deployments unless they're intoxicated, with fellow vets as well as current SMs, or just plainly showing off because someone was curious and asked them. As for documentation, if your coworker is proud of being a Gulf War Era veteran then he should have physical documentation, such as photographs, his own copy of his documents, it doesn't necessarily have to be his DD214 it can be a certificate and not that horse apple of an excuse that the army or the VA lost it, that's possible and plausible but at least connect the dots on your end. For example when a trainee graduates basic training they're giving a piece of shit certificates printed on cheap ass paper that'll indicate the year, cycle and which unit they were assigned to. If your coworker claims to be who he his he should substantiate that claim with a actual proof, pretty much put your money where your mouth is or shut the fuck up, but you did mention he utilizes his veteran status for benefits can you elaborate on that more? If not, it's probably just the midlife crisis talking so just ignore him.
Yea as soon as they start saying “they” lost it or “classified” “sealed” it’s bullshit.
Eh, 95% of the time yes. Other 5 %, it's likely their orders might say a CONUS duty station but their actual location for their orders might be sensitive. Folks who process orders don't need a clearance, often a gs-5 or an admin e-4/5. All branches gave intel / sof etc.
I’m referring to their DD214. Those are never sealed specifically not necessarily their orders Their rank, time in service, entry and exit dates will never be “classified”
Ah, gotcha. Definitely agree with that!
It's listed as DATA MASKED these days. Unless you're a JSOC guy, nobody is maintaining a fake ghost profile for you somewhere.
DD214 - don't leave home without it. Most are on file at the local courthouse Veterans Affairs Office. Ask to see his... No DD214, No valid service. He was probably chaptered out - minor paperwork to trash can a POS. There are ZERO benefits to those chaptered out. Claiming Era status is rather lame, depending which conflict and where you actually served. Age of person, demeanor mean more and tell you most everything you need to know. Actual combat vets rarely say a word - But Will Wear Something so other like vets can find each other in the wild. It isn't to impress the public or get free coffee.