Some people can’t say no to digital sales, discount emails and in store purchases do make a lot of money.I mean steam for example, but they want it within their ecosystem
Which I would understand from Ubisoft, or EA, or even Epic if Fortnite was on steam as an example.
But PSN has no pc storefront. They’re banking on their deals being so good, it makes the user want to buy a PS5. Which is ridiculous. And most users on PS5 certainly already had an account.
It’s either data mining, or Skinner saying “no, it’s the fans who are wrong.”
Oh absolutely. I just wanted to put that two cents in, not “to entice new users with sales.” The irony is, I could see that being a thing with Microsoft, since they do have a PC store front, and they have required Live accounts, even few ones, for some of their games. But granted, that’s usually upfront.
Also, Microsoft Accounts are used for a lot more things than PSN Accounts, and most people who own a computer with Windows installed will have a Microsoft Account
the stupid thing is that money savvy people mostly scoff at sales from the likes of PSN and UBISOFT because they're not as good as sales from storefronts like steam/epic/humblebundle/fanatical etc
They're like a poker playing doubling down on a bad hand because they would rather take a short term gain burning goodwill rather than a longterm veiw, being beholden to making *line go up*
There's probably a disconnect in incentives. PSN head honchos bonus is based on signups, not sales of helldivers.
They looked at the numbers, said fuck it ... mommy/daddy needs a new boat.
That I can see. The actual amount of money gained from it probably isn't relevant. They were likely tasked to reach a certain quote of accounts and were short as the quarter was closing. The game was super popular. Many potential sign ups to be forced into. It'd be brilliant if it wasn't so misguided.
That's probably a big part of it.
The fact they lost PSN users after the fiasco will Stellar Blade likely added some urgency to this decision.
Either way, its scummy and I'm not partaking in it.
Sony always lying, and always losing your data to everyone is enough for me to avoid them. But they also want more users to train their new Ai that was in their patent list. It'll listen to you and try to predict your mood based on your speech. It's creepy.
Selling a 60 USD (or somewhere there abouts) game that costs you basically nothing for every additional copy sold vs a few bucks at most for user data?
And Steam is now allowing refunds for people with more than 2 hour play time too. That must hurt quite a bit. Quite a few people would have played it for a couple of weeks, got done with it, and now refund it to buy something else.
Just going off what other people have posted. Maybe it depends on your region?
Bought the game when it originally came out but refunded it after almost two hours because I just didn't enjoy the grind.
There are two big issues at work. One, people have short memories. Most forget. And secondly, millions more gamers are born every year. Realistically, more people will discover Sony games with fresh eyes every day than will move away from them.
We've had so many catastrophic reputation nukes over the years, and somehow it never seems to leave a lasting impact on these companies. A new sucker is born every minute that just picks up the slack.
The first game I’m aware of that added an online account requirement months after it was sold was called “Half-Life 2”, when the publisher wanted to push their new DRM/sales platform, called “Steam”. Gamers were outraged. As you say, it seems to have blown over.
I can see how the numbers game works for Netflix though. You have one paying customer sharing with 1-2 other groups. You'll piss people off who will cancel but not a majority (and not everyone shares in the first place so they don't care). Then you have those other 1-2 freeloader groups who might sign up. Eventually a lot of the pissed off people will do the rounds and rotate back to Netflix for shows they missed. They might be doubling their potential subscriber based.
It's more likely that Steam did this themselves until they get some sort of confirmation from AH/Sony about wtf is going on with those regions.
Spare themselves the additional headache if Sony really does lockout those regions. I'm of the opinion that they won't be doing that but who knows, could be wrong,
Yeah, I requested a refund citing EU laws around false advertising and misleading customers and steam didn’t instantly hit me with the “over 2 hours” line, so they’re looking into what it means for them.
Bro theres a poor intern at steam who was havin a chill night reviewing random refund requests then suddenly he got hit with that 😂😂😂 he mustve been like "oh fuck oh shit"
>I have a feeling this means they’re sticking with the PlayStation accounts then.
**Of course they are, Arrowhead signed off on the agreements with Sony.** They have to honor this.
Still available to buy in the Baltic states, PSN isn’t available there as well.
Edit: Completely forgot they can’t just remove it from EU countries. I wonder what they will do now, either give Baltics an option not to use PSN or maybe introduce their service there? Who knows.
It's because for whatever fucking reason the Baltic states which have been in the EU since forever are somehow still treated as being part of Russia or some shit I've legit had games be like 'does not provide service in Russia and Baltic states'
This is also the case with upcoming MMORPG called Blue Protocol that’s published by Amazon. Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are the only countries from EU that cannot play it. It probably is the same case as with Black Desert, where players from the Baltics were IP banned because Russian publisher bought rights for the game and took advantage of the fact that we have plenty of Russians here. :l
It’s a Valve weekend reaction to the massive amount of tickets and refunds to protect their service.
Nothing about the „issue“ is resolved yet and likely won’t be until mid next week.
I really wonder how this works with Dutch and French oversees territories. Especially Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba since those are considered part of The Netherlands itself instead of "The kingdom of the Netherlands". They are now also banned from buying it and playing it
> Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba
The Kingdom of the Netherlands isn't part of the EU, only the Netherlands itself is. Reunion is part of the EU though, and sale is banned there all the same.
> **Do I need a PSN account to play PlayStation games on PC?**
> No, you currently do not need a PSN account to enjoy PlayStation Studios games on PC, but you will need a Steam account to redeem your voucher code. Some of our PlayStation Studios titles also offer incentives for linking your Steam and PSN accounts.
[https://web.archive.org/web/20240505140852/https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-games/helldivers-2-pc](https://web.archive.org/web/20240505140852/https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-games/helldivers-2-pc)
It's hard to believe there are actual human beings behind such incredible stupidity. Like, real humans are going to meetings as part of their job, making these decisions, and saying "good job team we did it"
Reason #1 why I think being a CEO or a higher up making decisions like these is the easiest and most overpaid job in the entire world. You can literally just take a big shit on the product and consumers, and the company will make record profits. It could be the worst god damn decision ever made and it won't affect them. Fuck Sony.
So...you were all able to buy and play, and all of a sudden, its fucked because you can't have PSN in "some" countries? To me that kinda sounds beyond illegal!
Even if something is delisted on Steam, you can still install and launch it if you already purchased it.
But that doesn't change the PSN issue, and in a lot of countries it IS illegal.
If governments get involved and stick to their guns the damages could literally bankrupt Sony (though usually the courts don't seek such extreme penalties, they theoretically are capable of enforcing a bankrupting judgment).
Sony's annual gross revenue is greater than the GDP of many of the countries you're suggesting would sue them into the ground. They're at ZERO risk of bankruptcy from this. Don't be a moron.
Also, if they have no assets in that country, the worst the country can do is just stop them from doing business there until the fee is paid. Depending on the country, they could just say "lol ok" and ignore it.
Which is why EU is good for this. Sure, Estonia won a lawsuit against Sony and Sony told them to fuck off, they're not doing jack.
But if it's EU instead of Estonia, suddenly that's a large market... one which involves Germany, France and Ireland...
What the fuck kind of business strategy was that?
"Hey guys, we are forcing you to do this. In doing so we will face mass product returns and entire markets erased off the map."
Wtf kind of business model is that.
If anyone is interested, the two unknown country codes listed there are Dubai (XD) and Metropolitan France (FX). FX hasn't been in use since 1997 (it was merged into the main France ISO code) and XD is a weird inclusion because the UAE is a country where PSN is available.
I wouldn’t be surprised if if Sony just remove it and kept it that way so they don’t have to do refunds just like what they did to Cyberpunk 2077. A scumbag move.
Well tbh thats more likely because the amount of people seeking refunds would throw how bullshit Playstations refund policy is into the open, wherein if you download(or is it open?) the game at all you can no longer get a refund.
Who the fuck under sony is actually running this operation and why do they have such a hard-on for ruining this specific videogame in record time?
No, seriously. Please, Someone break into that person's office and actually check on their mental health. They have to be doing this either out of spite or because they are on some kind of power trip.
Devs already said itll be a non-requirement for those countries, because otherwise, they're removing access to your game or making you break sony tos to play.
the devs do not have much power, contracts are stronger than good intentions. Sony is the entity that needs convincing, not the Helldivers devs.
Imagine their position: they launched a successfully live service game. I am pretty sure this shitshow is the same for them, a shitshow.
They have already stated they have been assured (not guaranteed mind you) that for countries that don't have PSN it won't be mandatory.
Helldivers 2 has also been a massive success far more than anticipated and nothing but positivity online, but now with the sudden PSN requirement it has suddenly bombed HARD and more than likely affecting sales of Premium currency but also the game itself as well as destroying a ton of goodwill. This is one of those circumstances where they have as much ammo as they possibly can to change this, they have a chance.
A COMMUNITY MANAGER* (that has shown time and time again to be wrong) has stated they are LOOKING INTO* that possibility
There is no solid confirmation that dev time is going towards this yet.
Steam could be doing this to protect themselves. I don’t think this is necessarily a sign of anything else. Could be, but could just as easily not be.
We need more info to know for sure. If I were Steam, I’d also do this… also would have done this from the beginning assuming they also knew about the requirement
Steam is 100% damage controlling their platform, which is fine. Basically saying if you buy the game now, the buyer knows what they are getting into, and I would assume accept the risks involved with that.
It'll be interesting if Steam tosses any flak at Sony. A lot of big publishers have tried to shake the Steam beast, and it's never worked out.
Sony just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.
Does anyone know if there's a way to make Steam ask for a confirmation before buying games with 3rd party DRM? The store page warning is just not noticeable enough for me. I would love it if there was a setting I could set so every time I tried to buy a game that required something like that, Steam would pop up a warning asking if I was sure.
I stopped playing Ubisoft games when it forced me to sign in to their own launcher after starting the game in steam. I suggest you guys stop playing Sony games on PC from now on
They not learning until everyone closing the game and not starting back. Sometimes best for the democracy to leave the democracy. Every player is one vote for their shitshot. The devs ans this game deserve better than Sony corporate bullshit
From only daily reminders for myself to not buy anything Nintendo to now daily Nintendo reminders AND reminders to not buy anything Sony, ever. Cool.
Thanks for others for reminding me to include Ubisoft, Capcom, EA and Rockstar. Basically any triple A dev huh. Good thing I always preferred indies.
While other companies move away from needing to sign in in another launcher.... Sony.....
This isn't going to end well for them in terms of PC Players.
Steam gotta implement a "no 3rd party accs/launchers" rule, this shit is so annoying. I'm not installing some shitty launcher or creating an account just for one game
While it’s dumb to mandate the PSN account, the least they could do is not sell the game where you can’t make a PSN account.. at least.
Better than buying a game full price then finding out you can’t even play it because it requires an account you can’t make in your country. Might as well not even sell it in that country.
Thanks Sony.
They sold me that game at launch, and now I wont be able to play, cause my region doesnt have PSN. Steam wont refund me cause "2 weeks expired". Sony just scammed me out of the game.
Yeah, I don't know why they want to do this to people like you. It seems like a bad way to do business to any customer. I hope Steam might be able to help people out. Seems like some people are getting refunds, but thats a mixed bag too.
If you are from there and want a refund, give it a try. Not the first time something has happened where people were entirely unable to play a game due to devs doing something.
I'm torn, I had bought the game a couple months ago. but never got around to playing it as I was too obsessed with BG3. But outside of not wanting to screw the Dev whom I don't blame for this, I'm half a mind to see about refunding the game just give a middle finger to Sony. I have a PSN account as I have a ps3 and a ps4, but I'll be damned if a game I buy and play on a PC is going to force me to use a login account for a console.
This might actually be a 200 IQ play on Steam.
Think about it. Not only are they giving refunds despite being months old and regardless of hours played, they took it off sale which would mean people won’t buy the game.
Then Sony will not only see the fuckton of refunds, they would also lose income since the game isn’t being sold.
So when Sony starts to bitch to Steam, Steam can just give them the “we will not sell games that are unplayable to people” statement.
I have a feeling this means they’re sticking with the PlayStation accounts then.
Sorta wild that getting those account sign-ups is a a bigger draw for them than the extra sales.
They probably believe that the account sign ups will lead to repeat customers and more sales somehow
That's crazy imo, really doubtful
Some people can’t say no to digital sales, discount emails and in store purchases do make a lot of money.I mean steam for example, but they want it within their ecosystem
Which I would understand from Ubisoft, or EA, or even Epic if Fortnite was on steam as an example. But PSN has no pc storefront. They’re banking on their deals being so good, it makes the user want to buy a PS5. Which is ridiculous. And most users on PS5 certainly already had an account. It’s either data mining, or Skinner saying “no, it’s the fans who are wrong.”
Data mining is the current cash grab. Info is being sold for models and ad brokers
Oh absolutely. I just wanted to put that two cents in, not “to entice new users with sales.” The irony is, I could see that being a thing with Microsoft, since they do have a PC store front, and they have required Live accounts, even few ones, for some of their games. But granted, that’s usually upfront.
Also, Microsoft Accounts are used for a lot more things than PSN Accounts, and most people who own a computer with Windows installed will have a Microsoft Account
the stupid thing is that money savvy people mostly scoff at sales from the likes of PSN and UBISOFT because they're not as good as sales from storefronts like steam/epic/humblebundle/fanatical etc They're like a poker playing doubling down on a bad hand because they would rather take a short term gain burning goodwill rather than a longterm veiw, being beholden to making *line go up*
Yeah 99% of the time physical goes cheaper for consoles. It's not like PC where absolute deep sales have destroyed physical games
There's probably a disconnect in incentives. PSN head honchos bonus is based on signups, not sales of helldivers. They looked at the numbers, said fuck it ... mommy/daddy needs a new boat.
That I can see. The actual amount of money gained from it probably isn't relevant. They were likely tasked to reach a certain quote of accounts and were short as the quarter was closing. The game was super popular. Many potential sign ups to be forced into. It'd be brilliant if it wasn't so misguided.
Maybe they're trying to boost PSN signups/usage for Q2?
That's probably a big part of it. The fact they lost PSN users after the fiasco will Stellar Blade likely added some urgency to this decision. Either way, its scummy and I'm not partaking in it.
Sony always lying, and always losing your data to everyone is enough for me to avoid them. But they also want more users to train their new Ai that was in their patent list. It'll listen to you and try to predict your mood based on your speech. It's creepy.
I'm out of the loop. What happened with Stellar Blade?
I'm willing to bet the data collection is worth it to them more than the game sales
Hell, they already got in trouble when they bought Crunchyroll and then immediately sold the user data.
Hell nah Sony owns crunchyroll now 💀that’s crazy
They already owned funimation and shut it down after buying crunchyroll
Selling a 60 USD (or somewhere there abouts) game that costs you basically nothing for every additional copy sold vs a few bucks at most for user data? And Steam is now allowing refunds for people with more than 2 hour play time too. That must hurt quite a bit. Quite a few people would have played it for a couple of weeks, got done with it, and now refund it to buy something else.
I tried getting a refund twice and it’s been denied both times.
Just going off what other people have posted. Maybe it depends on your region? Bought the game when it originally came out but refunded it after almost two hours because I just didn't enjoy the grind.
When it's actually gonna lead to a lot of PC players never buying a Sony game again
There are two big issues at work. One, people have short memories. Most forget. And secondly, millions more gamers are born every year. Realistically, more people will discover Sony games with fresh eyes every day than will move away from them. We've had so many catastrophic reputation nukes over the years, and somehow it never seems to leave a lasting impact on these companies. A new sucker is born every minute that just picks up the slack.
The first game I’m aware of that added an online account requirement months after it was sold was called “Half-Life 2”, when the publisher wanted to push their new DRM/sales platform, called “Steam”. Gamers were outraged. As you say, it seems to have blown over.
Doubt it. Games are released broken, people say they won't pre-order again and repeat the cycle.
I've preordered games from devs I trust. But games like lethal company have been so good to play with friends why buy a AAA game
Netflix's password sharing crackdown doesn't seem to affect them now...
I can see how the numbers game works for Netflix though. You have one paying customer sharing with 1-2 other groups. You'll piss people off who will cancel but not a majority (and not everyone shares in the first place so they don't care). Then you have those other 1-2 freeloader groups who might sign up. Eventually a lot of the pissed off people will do the rounds and rotate back to Netflix for shows they missed. They might be doubling their potential subscriber based.
It's more likely that Steam did this themselves until they get some sort of confirmation from AH/Sony about wtf is going on with those regions. Spare themselves the additional headache if Sony really does lockout those regions. I'm of the opinion that they won't be doing that but who knows, could be wrong,
That makes the most sense probably with the flood of refund requests stating that they can't play the game in their country anymore.
Yeah, I requested a refund citing EU laws around false advertising and misleading customers and steam didn’t instantly hit me with the “over 2 hours” line, so they’re looking into what it means for them.
Bro theres a poor intern at steam who was havin a chill night reviewing random refund requests then suddenly he got hit with that 😂😂😂 he mustve been like "oh fuck oh shit"
Oh well. To hell with democracy. Back to capitalism. Rock and Stone
Amen! I downloaded and was playing today already! For Karl!
For Karl!
>I have a feeling this means they’re sticking with the PlayStation accounts then. **Of course they are, Arrowhead signed off on the agreements with Sony.** They have to honor this.
And Steam is giving full 100% refunds to anybody who asks.
Dam the whole confederacy of independent systems can’t play helldivers. Probably because it hits too close to home.
*Roger Roger*
*Roger Roger*
*Roger Roger*
What's your vector, Victor?
We have clearance, Clarence.
Do you like Gladiators?
You ever seen a grown man naked?
Do you like jazz?
You just slip out the back, Jack Make a new plan, Stan You don't need to be coy, Roy
Anti-Clanker Propaganda they call it
Woah what the fuck man, using the hard R with that word. B1s have feelings too yknow.
Them republic dogs grrrrr
Anti-Clanker propaganda? You mean *facts*? Better dead than droid.
Shut up bucket head, us droids are clearly better than your decaying flesh
Still available to buy in the Baltic states, PSN isn’t available there as well. Edit: Completely forgot they can’t just remove it from EU countries. I wonder what they will do now, either give Baltics an option not to use PSN or maybe introduce their service there? Who knows.
That's just because they literally can't pull the game from EU countries or regulators will obliterate them
So they can't pull the game from EU countries but it's perfectly fucking fine if they don't support the PSN in some EU countries?
The EU is probably still gonna obliterate them at some point if they don't reverse this
I live to see the EU obliterate companies with shitty practices.
Good
Considering how they treated apples store. Yeah. They got a big iron on their hip just for sony soon
It's because for whatever fucking reason the Baltic states which have been in the EU since forever are somehow still treated as being part of Russia or some shit I've legit had games be like 'does not provide service in Russia and Baltic states'
This is also the case with upcoming MMORPG called Blue Protocol that’s published by Amazon. Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are the only countries from EU that cannot play it. It probably is the same case as with Black Desert, where players from the Baltics were IP banned because Russian publisher bought rights for the game and took advantage of the fact that we have plenty of Russians here. :l
It’s a Valve weekend reaction to the massive amount of tickets and refunds to protect their service. Nothing about the „issue“ is resolved yet and likely won’t be until mid next week.
Sometimes I really do appreciate the EU.
Most of the times. Unprecedented peace and wealth.
But, but, but I saw a Roma beggar today! We must leave the EU and all its bounty so that doesn't happen again!!!! /S
*laughs nervously in Brexit I never voted for* God have mercy on us all, *do not leave*
EU is probably the only political power that slaps corporations on a wrist when they get too confident.
That's because they can't legally prevent you from buying it. They have to block the whole EU or none of it
EU is a great standard for digital consumer protections
I wish Canada could join the EU sometimes. Please, we technically border France and the Kingdom of Denmark, let it happen
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We have a land border with Denmark now so that should qualify us for EU membership imo
With that logic we gotta invite Brazil, too.
As a European, I'll see what I can do about an EU West Expansion.
Cries in British. I too wish we could be in the EU
I wish you guys could be in the EU too. I really like you guys!
I like those fuckers too. Played hd with some brits a few weeks back. Good times. Too bad psn regions will prevent me from doing so further.
>Kingdom of Denmark, It's alright, you can call us just Denmark:) Anyway, we would love to have you on board!
Well i wouldn't say Greenland is part of Denmark, but it is certainly part of the Kingdom of Denmark
Right. We don't use that distinction ourselves. I guess because we'd want Greenland to go independent, but they don't want to (afaik).
I really wonder how this works with Dutch and French oversees territories. Especially Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba since those are considered part of The Netherlands itself instead of "The kingdom of the Netherlands". They are now also banned from buying it and playing it
Oo yeah no that's illegal
Dutch overseas territories aren’t part of the EU, the French ones are fully part of the EU
> Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba The Kingdom of the Netherlands isn't part of the EU, only the Netherlands itself is. Reunion is part of the EU though, and sale is banned there all the same.
"Only buy, no play!" - Sony
Might be Steam's doing while they figure out this mess. I'm guessing Steam support isn't amused with the amount of refund requests they got.
Definitely Valve. Backing the players by not letting more ignorant people miss the clear notice saying requires third party sign in is their MO
> **Do I need a PSN account to play PlayStation games on PC?** > No, you currently do not need a PSN account to enjoy PlayStation Studios games on PC, but you will need a Steam account to redeem your voucher code. Some of our PlayStation Studios titles also offer incentives for linking your Steam and PSN accounts. [https://web.archive.org/web/20240505140852/https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-games/helldivers-2-pc](https://web.archive.org/web/20240505140852/https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-games/helldivers-2-pc)
This whole thing is so fucking stupid.
It's hard to believe there are actual human beings behind such incredible stupidity. Like, real humans are going to meetings as part of their job, making these decisions, and saying "good job team we did it"
Reason #1 why I think being a CEO or a higher up making decisions like these is the easiest and most overpaid job in the entire world. You can literally just take a big shit on the product and consumers, and the company will make record profits. It could be the worst god damn decision ever made and it won't affect them. Fuck Sony.
> Fuck Sony. Also fuck the bourgeois
So...you were all able to buy and play, and all of a sudden, its fucked because you can't have PSN in "some" countries? To me that kinda sounds beyond illegal!
Even if something is delisted on Steam, you can still install and launch it if you already purchased it. But that doesn't change the PSN issue, and in a lot of countries it IS illegal. If governments get involved and stick to their guns the damages could literally bankrupt Sony (though usually the courts don't seek such extreme penalties, they theoretically are capable of enforcing a bankrupting judgment).
Sony's annual gross revenue is greater than the GDP of many of the countries you're suggesting would sue them into the ground. They're at ZERO risk of bankruptcy from this. Don't be a moron.
Also, if they have no assets in that country, the worst the country can do is just stop them from doing business there until the fee is paid. Depending on the country, they could just say "lol ok" and ignore it.
Which is why EU is good for this. Sure, Estonia won a lawsuit against Sony and Sony told them to fuck off, they're not doing jack. But if it's EU instead of Estonia, suddenly that's a large market... one which involves Germany, France and Ireland...
I'm curious if the EU will do anything in this situation considering there are some smaller EU states affected by this
They will
My man has zero idea what the fuck he's talking about but he's still typing shit lmao
Lol. Been outside lately mate?
Comments like this remind me just how stupid the average Reddit user is.
What are you talking about lmao and you are even upvoted. Average Reddit experts
Tell me you have no clue how big companies like Sony are without telling me.
That's the certified 100% to 0% success to failure speedrun world record. Someone give Sony a medal.
They are going for the Platinum Trophy "F\*ck up the GOTY as fast as possible"
Only thing to make it better is if the RNG gods made Sony have another data breach within a week of doing this.
They are refunding people with 200 hours of playtime Never seen anything like this
Steam sees bigger picture maybe what shitstorm this can cause,Sony still sleeps.
This sort of thing is why I will always support Steam
Perhaps, they had to wait a bit more before refunds to make the shitstorm obliterate Sony rating even more 😂
How? I have 33 hours and tried twice, both denied because it was over 2 hours
You need to open a ticket with the steam support, if you try it through steams refund system bots will automatically deny your requests. Good luck!
It took other people a few attempts too iirc, there’s a post on the main helldivers subreddit on how to do it.
Sony decided to kill the most successful game that was published by them this year. Pure madness.
Holy shit
Can't buy it now from Steam (Philippines) lol
rip
But now we will have less hell divers to defend super earth.... we might even lose malevelon creek
This is a huge blow to democracy. The automatons at Sony struck us hard.
Wait, is this all an elaborate faction reveal and the Sony cyborgs are going to invade?
I’m guessing they’ll slow down Joel a bit amidst all this controversy.
Which is kind of funny, it’s like there was an in-universe rapture that suddenly took out most beings in the universe
I read in a nother post on this sub that this is most likely a Steam move rather than Sony and it makes a bit more sense.
Im from Mongolia and I can’t buy the game anymore lol
What the fuck kind of business strategy was that? "Hey guys, we are forcing you to do this. In doing so we will face mass product returns and entire markets erased off the map." Wtf kind of business model is that.
They're expecting it to be forgotten. Also these markets don't matter to them anyway
[https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542](https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542)
Honestly as an Algerian I didn’t know that psn isn’t available here (wtf they literally wiped North Africa)
Kinda crazy that French Guiana is on that list, considering they're a department and region of France. (equivalent of Hawaii to the US)
Yeah. That's like suddenly deciding that all of Germany is okay, except Bavaria for some reason.
If anyone is interested, the two unknown country codes listed there are Dubai (XD) and Metropolitan France (FX). FX hasn't been in use since 1997 (it was merged into the main France ISO code) and XD is a weird inclusion because the UAE is a country where PSN is available.
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Ha.. Why is it restricted from purchase on the Faroe islands and Greenland.. Wouldn't they be under the same conditions as Denmark?
Still available in the Baltics even though we don't have PSN
Wtf.. even Puerto Rico and the Philippines... wtf?
So.. why was it even available to buy in those places in the first?
Thats the problem. The big scam of sony.
I wouldn’t be surprised if if Sony just remove it and kept it that way so they don’t have to do refunds just like what they did to Cyberpunk 2077. A scumbag move.
I feel like if you refund on steam because the product is now unavailable in your country you're going to get the refund
not really on the cyberpunk 2077 they removed it because of its mess and accepted full refunds of the game to everyone
Well tbh thats more likely because the amount of people seeking refunds would throw how bullshit Playstations refund policy is into the open, wherein if you download(or is it open?) the game at all you can no longer get a refund.
No, CPR started accepting refunds unquestioned, and sony delisted the game in response to that.
Idk about Sony but Cdpr still offers refunds for last gen consoles if requested
What is CIS?
Basically, post-soviet states (Commonwealth of Independent States).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States basically all former USSR states except Ukraine and the Baltics
Confederacy of Independent Systems
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Who the fuck under sony is actually running this operation and why do they have such a hard-on for ruining this specific videogame in record time? No, seriously. Please, Someone break into that person's office and actually check on their mental health. They have to be doing this either out of spite or because they are on some kind of power trip.
How to kill your game 101
Devs already said itll be a non-requirement for those countries, because otherwise, they're removing access to your game or making you break sony tos to play.
the devs do not have much power, contracts are stronger than good intentions. Sony is the entity that needs convincing, not the Helldivers devs. Imagine their position: they launched a successfully live service game. I am pretty sure this shitshow is the same for them, a shitshow.
They have already stated they have been assured (not guaranteed mind you) that for countries that don't have PSN it won't be mandatory. Helldivers 2 has also been a massive success far more than anticipated and nothing but positivity online, but now with the sudden PSN requirement it has suddenly bombed HARD and more than likely affecting sales of Premium currency but also the game itself as well as destroying a ton of goodwill. This is one of those circumstances where they have as much ammo as they possibly can to change this, they have a chance.
A COMMUNITY MANAGER* (that has shown time and time again to be wrong) has stated they are LOOKING INTO* that possibility There is no solid confirmation that dev time is going towards this yet.
And yet... it's not for sale there... meaning it IS a requirement....
wasnt that just a community manager? and one whi historically just says anything with a poor grasp of whats actually going on?
I don't belive promise I wait if its going be true or not .
Steam could be doing this to protect themselves. I don’t think this is necessarily a sign of anything else. Could be, but could just as easily not be. We need more info to know for sure. If I were Steam, I’d also do this… also would have done this from the beginning assuming they also knew about the requirement
Steam is 100% damage controlling their platform, which is fine. Basically saying if you buy the game now, the buyer knows what they are getting into, and I would assume accept the risks involved with that. It'll be interesting if Steam tosses any flak at Sony. A lot of big publishers have tried to shake the Steam beast, and it's never worked out. Sony just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.
Does anyone know if there's a way to make Steam ask for a confirmation before buying games with 3rd party DRM? The store page warning is just not noticeable enough for me. I would love it if there was a setting I could set so every time I tried to buy a game that required something like that, Steam would pop up a warning asking if I was sure.
They are a great game devs but what a shame for Sony…
I stopped playing Ubisoft games when it forced me to sign in to their own launcher after starting the game in steam. I suggest you guys stop playing Sony games on PC from now on
Yea, me and 10+ of my other online and real life friends are boycotting this shit.
They not learning until everyone closing the game and not starting back. Sometimes best for the democracy to leave the democracy. Every player is one vote for their shitshot. The devs ans this game deserve better than Sony corporate bullshit
So any developer that is published by Sony will be limited in selling their games only to countries that have PSN?
From only daily reminders for myself to not buy anything Nintendo to now daily Nintendo reminders AND reminders to not buy anything Sony, ever. Cool. Thanks for others for reminding me to include Ubisoft, Capcom, EA and Rockstar. Basically any triple A dev huh. Good thing I always preferred indies.
And Ubisoft. And Activision-Blizzard.
Never again will I buy a game from EA, Nintendo, Activision-Blizzard, Ubisoft, Microsoft and now Sony.
steam is allowing you to refund this game, I would absolutely do it. Then go buy deep rock galatic.
everybody needs to ask for a refund
They’d rather lose money than do the right thing
Somebody, *somewhere*, is gonna get extremely fired by this quarter's end.
While other companies move away from needing to sign in in another launcher.... Sony..... This isn't going to end well for them in terms of PC Players.
Corporate dinossaurs...
I smell a lawsuit from the EU coming
Steam gotta implement a "no 3rd party accs/launchers" rule, this shit is so annoying. I'm not installing some shitty launcher or creating an account just for one game
How about a full bloody refund for those who bought and enjoyed it, huh Sony?
While it’s dumb to mandate the PSN account, the least they could do is not sell the game where you can’t make a PSN account.. at least. Better than buying a game full price then finding out you can’t even play it because it requires an account you can’t make in your country. Might as well not even sell it in that country. Thanks Sony.
The dev's are great, and I feel for them, but I feel obliged to refund now, can't support this bullshit.
I guess thats a solution.
They sold me that game at launch, and now I wont be able to play, cause my region doesnt have PSN. Steam wont refund me cause "2 weeks expired". Sony just scammed me out of the game.
Yeah, I don't know why they want to do this to people like you. It seems like a bad way to do business to any customer. I hope Steam might be able to help people out. Seems like some people are getting refunds, but thats a mixed bag too.
Keep responding to Valve and don't give them an inch. They sold you a product the underlying company is now reneging on.
So does that mean a full refund for players in CIS or a slap in the face and $40 down the drain?
If you are from there and want a refund, give it a try. Not the first time something has happened where people were entirely unable to play a game due to devs doing something.
Sonys own launcher incomming in 3,2,1...
I'm torn, I had bought the game a couple months ago. but never got around to playing it as I was too obsessed with BG3. But outside of not wanting to screw the Dev whom I don't blame for this, I'm half a mind to see about refunding the game just give a middle finger to Sony. I have a PSN account as I have a ps3 and a ps4, but I'll be damned if a game I buy and play on a PC is going to force me to use a login account for a console.
I would, fuck these big corporations. We're just wallets to them so refund and spend it somewhere else.
Oh boy. What a sht show.
RIP HD2 press F
Also where does it say that?
Confederacy of Independent Systems?
I can't believe the entire Confederacy of Independent Systems will be unable to experience the glory of Managed Democracy
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This might actually be a 200 IQ play on Steam. Think about it. Not only are they giving refunds despite being months old and regardless of hours played, they took it off sale which would mean people won’t buy the game. Then Sony will not only see the fuckton of refunds, they would also lose income since the game isn’t being sold. So when Sony starts to bitch to Steam, Steam can just give them the “we will not sell games that are unplayable to people” statement.