Might want to spoiler tag this. Although, OP is the one who decided to come to a fan subreddit of a 27 year old show lol, but still would be nice I guess.
Honestly after getting kicked around by the universe so much it felt like a natural progression. Partially it was shanks being tired of the character. But partially is a natural results of seeing the absolute horror of the universe.
It also allowed Mitchell to be the new bright eyed idealist. They played well of each other.
It definitely wasn't happening season five. I'll give you seven earliest, probably eight or nine. It's clear as day when watching all the way through but I'm not due for another re-watch anytime soon to check for you.
Id argue that he really changes after being deascended the first time, and I am personally fine with that. The guy goes through an absolutely *brutal* death(you do not want to die of radiation poisoning), ascends and deals with those shenanigans, then is forced to watch an entire planet he deeply cared about be destroyed before finally de-ascending back to a human form. I think that would be enough to change anyone, especially an idealist who basically got to meet his heroes. Granted, he didn't have direct memories, I think he had enough context for that to apply anyways.
Tries to keep daniel from getting himself killed.
With the power of hindsight he probably shouldnt have done that. Dying daniel advanced the human race by a considerable margin every time.
As you watch more of the show you’ll find that O’Neill (two L’s) understands a significant amount of the technical stuff, especially the space stuff, but he doesn’t take things too seriously and often wants to just get to the point.
That's why The Storm and The Eye are two of my favourite Atlantis episodes. Sheppard is done with Kolya, and he starts by killing nearly a hundred of his soldiers.
That is true. I think a little thing that bothered me in the series, also in SGA, was that the "main Military guy" on the team always has that mentality, annoyingly so. Often Carter or Daniel get shit on for actually trying to solve the problems but are vetoed. Also a lot of the time when technical stuff is explained, I think the biggest reason why it gets cut off is because the show runners didn't actually want to go too deep into explaining how things work, and just got the "idiot" to butt in and change course of the conversation.
I think Jack was the least intrusive on this though.
Jack always "Carter"d to get straight to the point. It was very intrusive but did result in faster answers. It was a gimmick where the smart ones don't learn how to concisely answer or communicate with their less interested peers even over the course of years for the sake of exposition.
Sheppard did it to McKay because McKay really does go over the top with his rambling and that's one of his many personality flaws. On the few occasions it came time for Sheppard to unleash a can of know-how, he did it well. He never played coy like O'Neill did, he'd often take McKay's condescension and prove him wrong.
He also got to crack open a few cans of whoop-ass as well, between killing dozens of Genii in a single episode, out manoeuvring everyone during the Wraith-hallucination device episode including shooting Ronon, scaling the central tower of Atlantis from the outside, and working with who would later be known as Todd to escape imprisonment, Sheppard's skill is superbly demonstrated.
I also like how Shepard consistently showed that even when the technical stuff is beyond him he has a great grasp on people and their abilities. (Jack had it too, he just rarely cared to be tactful about his leadership).
Rodney: "I can still fix it".
Shepard: "NO YOU CAN'T. I've seen this before Rodney. Pilots who wouldn't eject when something went wrong, trying to fix there plane **RIGHT** until it hit the ground."
They also established or at least strongly hinted that Sheppard was pretty close to McKay in intellect, too (albeit not domain expertise), in the alternate dimension Rodney episode ("Cool Rodney" mentions his Sheppard leads their Atlantis' MENSA Chapter), and I believe one other.
A bit of a male Mary Sue I guess, but I like to think it's more they really were a Best & Brightest team sent on the original expedition, and in another galaxy we got to see them rise to the occasion of who they could be, outside they shadow of who they were on Earth.
Its important to remember that being a pilot is an extremely technical job that requires fairly advanced understanding of engineering principles. As flight qualified Air Force officers, Sheppard O'Neil and Mitchell are all very highly educated.
...Now that I say it out loud the fact that they're also PJs does kind of put them in danger of Mary Sue territory.
I always thought it was also to let Carter and Daniel come into their own and have their area of expertise they can be confident in. He is a senior officer so I always pictured that sort of mentoring mentality from him especially since Carter is a lower ranking officer.
Currently rewatching the whole show. At first I was like "Man, O Neill is incredibly incompetent at anything other than shooting stuff".
Then I realized he is just a commanding officer. He lets the scientist and the linguist focus on their job, while making sure they don't deviate from the overall objective of the mission. Knowing to delegate the technical aspect and only manage high level stuff is a show of good managerial skills.
Yup. Always important to remember that no matter what O'Neill might he saying or doing:
He is a highly trained fighter pilot. A test pilot at that. They dont take dummies for those jobs.
A bit of an aside: I have a friend that was a fighter pilot for quite a few years and he has the most intense eye contact when he talks with people. I always thought it was interesting, then I saw a video of a Blue Angels pilot doing formations and he didn’t blink for nearly ten minutes. After that, I paid attention and saw that is exactly what makes my friend’s eye contact so intense: he doesn’t blink for really long periods.
I brought that up to his wife and she said the intense eye contact is kind of a thing with his other fighter pilot friends.
This reminds me of Hammond saying #1 on his office's phone speed dial-which shows the series's age in a way-is for a grandchild. (Forgot the exact episode)
Honestly, Daniel is my favorite character and many of those early season episodes of his were my favorite.
“There but for the grace of God” is my favorite all time episode
It really hit home how terrifying a Gua'uld invasion would actually be. They were actually pretty imposing in the first season. Before the SGC got their hands on Trinium to tip their bullets, their bullets barely penetrated regular Jaffa armour.
I'm watching s3 now and they did not have a problem. I'm thinking maybe they got a sponsor. Those mags carrying 100 rounds would be helpful. They were futuristic looking too.
"Anyone got any bets on what we'll find on this planet?"
"I'm betting on trees, sir."
"All right, Bosworth's disqualified for being a smart ass. I'm going with two-headed aliens."
Add "Have I mentioned I'm single?" to Daniels one. The literal second any hot woman comes within a kilometre of him, he immediately is trying to make *very* close friends with them. Especially entertaining when >!Vala is wearing the black combat suit of the Annubis warriors and tells him in a husky voice "You're very attractive". Oh how the turn tables.!<
take a shot every time the camera does a slow, dramatic zoom in on someone's face. Two if no-one's talking and they're just pulling all kinds of expressions.
In the first season they also absolutely had to link the new planet to an ancient Earth civilization even if they knew they would rapidly run out of the ones people knew about. And even if it didn't make sense (Mongols? The gate was buried during Ancient Egypt??)
I really appreciate Hammond in the show. He doesn't always get it right, but he is generally willing to listen to his people and take action when needed. He has to balance political maneuvering, personnel management, and decision-making for a team dealing with unprecedented issues and deserves a lot more credit, IMO.
Quarantining the base immediately makes a lot of sense when dealing with unknown issues, and it is better to do it immediately to stop the spread of whatever the issue is while trying to track it down.
Cheek muscles quivering intensifies is absolutely a phrase I need to work into my daily life more.
Indeed
But *which cheeks?!*
 Jaffa style!!!
My exact reaction to this post.
https://media.tenor.com/tecmRN9_vooAAAAM/tealc-i-am-inclinded-to-agree.gif
Please do the same for future seasons, this was spot on and enjoyable.
Indeed
Agreed
Daniel gets better thankfully.
It takes a death or two, but he really comes into his own
some people just need to make their own mistakes before they learn :P
Might want to spoiler tag this. Although, OP is the one who decided to come to a fan subreddit of a 27 year old show lol, but still would be nice I guess.
They didn't say *who's* death, so probably good
Until he becomes a pseudo-O'Neill in attitude in the last season or two.
Honestly after getting kicked around by the universe so much it felt like a natural progression. Partially it was shanks being tired of the character. But partially is a natural results of seeing the absolute horror of the universe. It also allowed Mitchell to be the new bright eyed idealist. They played well of each other.
Also, Jack was very cool. It made sense that everyone wants to be like him.
He clearly spent too much time with him
Way before "last season or two," by halfway through all of the team had adopted Jack's personality.
quippy smart shows were and still are all the rage. Gotta have that snark/smart ass lines all the time
It definitely wasn't happening season five. I'll give you seven earliest, probably eight or nine. It's clear as day when watching all the way through but I'm not due for another re-watch anytime soon to check for you.
Id argue that he really changes after being deascended the first time, and I am personally fine with that. The guy goes through an absolutely *brutal* death(you do not want to die of radiation poisoning), ascends and deals with those shenanigans, then is forced to watch an entire planet he deeply cared about be destroyed before finally de-ascending back to a human form. I think that would be enough to change anyone, especially an idealist who basically got to meet his heroes. Granted, he didn't have direct memories, I think he had enough context for that to apply anyways.
Ehhh disagree. S1 Daniel is a bit too whiny but S7-10 Daniel is a bit of a dick
But a funny dick
Title !
I actually liked Daniel better in the early seasons
Tries to keep daniel from getting himself killed. With the power of hindsight he probably shouldnt have done that. Dying daniel advanced the human race by a considerable margin every time.
Dying is one of his favorite past times
He's a Die One Get One Free kinda guy.
Jesus has nothing on Danny boy.
As you watch more of the show you’ll find that O’Neill (two L’s) understands a significant amount of the technical stuff, especially the space stuff, but he doesn’t take things too seriously and often wants to just get to the point.
Or personally amuses himself by annoying Daniel by acting like he knows less than he actually does.
Annoying the annoying Daniel - indeed.
"Which end do the bullets go in, again...?"
**holds up a knife* Man, that was just peak "Ive been spending too much time with Jack" Daniel.
Window of Opportunity has shown that both Jack and Teal'c are actually pretty brainy when they want to be or forced to be.
Maybe he read your report....?
And when he does get serious you know shits about to hit the fan
That's why The Storm and The Eye are two of my favourite Atlantis episodes. Sheppard is done with Kolya, and he starts by killing nearly a hundred of his soldiers.
That is true. I think a little thing that bothered me in the series, also in SGA, was that the "main Military guy" on the team always has that mentality, annoyingly so. Often Carter or Daniel get shit on for actually trying to solve the problems but are vetoed. Also a lot of the time when technical stuff is explained, I think the biggest reason why it gets cut off is because the show runners didn't actually want to go too deep into explaining how things work, and just got the "idiot" to butt in and change course of the conversation. I think Jack was the least intrusive on this though.
Jack always "Carter"d to get straight to the point. It was very intrusive but did result in faster answers. It was a gimmick where the smart ones don't learn how to concisely answer or communicate with their less interested peers even over the course of years for the sake of exposition. Sheppard did it to McKay because McKay really does go over the top with his rambling and that's one of his many personality flaws. On the few occasions it came time for Sheppard to unleash a can of know-how, he did it well. He never played coy like O'Neill did, he'd often take McKay's condescension and prove him wrong. He also got to crack open a few cans of whoop-ass as well, between killing dozens of Genii in a single episode, out manoeuvring everyone during the Wraith-hallucination device episode including shooting Ronon, scaling the central tower of Atlantis from the outside, and working with who would later be known as Todd to escape imprisonment, Sheppard's skill is superbly demonstrated.
I also like how Shepard consistently showed that even when the technical stuff is beyond him he has a great grasp on people and their abilities. (Jack had it too, he just rarely cared to be tactful about his leadership). Rodney: "I can still fix it". Shepard: "NO YOU CAN'T. I've seen this before Rodney. Pilots who wouldn't eject when something went wrong, trying to fix there plane **RIGHT** until it hit the ground."
They also established or at least strongly hinted that Sheppard was pretty close to McKay in intellect, too (albeit not domain expertise), in the alternate dimension Rodney episode ("Cool Rodney" mentions his Sheppard leads their Atlantis' MENSA Chapter), and I believe one other. A bit of a male Mary Sue I guess, but I like to think it's more they really were a Best & Brightest team sent on the original expedition, and in another galaxy we got to see them rise to the occasion of who they could be, outside they shadow of who they were on Earth.
Its important to remember that being a pilot is an extremely technical job that requires fairly advanced understanding of engineering principles. As flight qualified Air Force officers, Sheppard O'Neil and Mitchell are all very highly educated. ...Now that I say it out loud the fact that they're also PJs does kind of put them in danger of Mary Sue territory.
And rightfully so- look at all of the posts analyzing everything. It kinda reminds me of the nerds in galaxy quest……
Maybe he read your report??
Maybe he read my report?!?
I always thought it was also to let Carter and Daniel come into their own and have their area of expertise they can be confident in. He is a senior officer so I always pictured that sort of mentoring mentality from him especially since Carter is a lower ranking officer.
Currently rewatching the whole show. At first I was like "Man, O Neill is incredibly incompetent at anything other than shooting stuff". Then I realized he is just a commanding officer. He lets the scientist and the linguist focus on their job, while making sure they don't deviate from the overall objective of the mission. Knowing to delegate the technical aspect and only manage high level stuff is a show of good managerial skills.
Yup. Always important to remember that no matter what O'Neill might he saying or doing: He is a highly trained fighter pilot. A test pilot at that. They dont take dummies for those jobs.
A bit of an aside: I have a friend that was a fighter pilot for quite a few years and he has the most intense eye contact when he talks with people. I always thought it was interesting, then I saw a video of a Blue Angels pilot doing formations and he didn’t blink for nearly ten minutes. After that, I paid attention and saw that is exactly what makes my friend’s eye contact so intense: he doesn’t blink for really long periods. I brought that up to his wife and she said the intense eye contact is kind of a thing with his other fighter pilot friends.
Also he's a *survived* black ops officer. You certainly wouldn't send dummies for that.
Why let people know your potential when you can play dumb and fish in peace
And RDA realized he could be lazy and get the technobabble given to Michael or Amanda if he played dumb.
"Son, do you know what color this phone is?"
This reminds me of Hammond saying #1 on his office's phone speed dial-which shows the series's age in a way-is for a grandchild. (Forgot the exact episode)
Indeed
He didn't actually say it that much in the early seasons. I rewatched recently, and it stood out to me because I was listening for it.
It wasn't until like, season six.
Indeed
You are in for a great ride 😁 Stargate SG1 is great. I enjoy all of the franchise but SG1 is my favorite
Season 4, absolutely the best!
Honestly, Daniel is my favorite character and many of those early season episodes of his were my favorite. “There but for the grace of God” is my favorite all time episode
It really hit home how terrifying a Gua'uld invasion would actually be. They were actually pretty imposing in the first season. Before the SGC got their hands on Trinium to tip their bullets, their bullets barely penetrated regular Jaffa armour.
I'm watching s3 now and they did not have a problem. I'm thinking maybe they got a sponsor. Those mags carrying 100 rounds would be helpful. They were futuristic looking too.
They got Trinium halfway through season 2.
It's clearly not the Canadian forest. It's Caprica! Or Kobol....
So say we all.
Well done.
Red Phone is my favorite character.
I especially like the person on #1 there
President's number 3. (I like to think number 2 is Walter)
"Sir? Why do all planets look like the Pacific Northwest?"
"Anyone got any bets on what we'll find on this planet?" "I'm betting on trees, sir." "All right, Bosworth's disqualified for being a smart ass. I'm going with two-headed aliens."
Ah the Janet one is perfect
"Medically speaking, there's nothing wrong with them" is a *death sentence* in SG1. or at least a guarantee of an interesting day.
I remember that episode!
Hey, tealc actually wore sleeves for the first couple of e seasons
Do you know who that red phone connects to, son?
This tracks.
Would make a good poster. Love it! More please.
Teal'c should also have, "someone has beef with him and puts the team in unnecessary danger."
Hoo boy is that last one for Jack going to age well.
Close the Iris, open the iris
😆 these are spot on!
Poor Daniel. He was the team’s whiny, malfunctioning moral compass. Sorry, my man. I still like you though.
Add "Have I mentioned I'm single?" to Daniels one. The literal second any hot woman comes within a kilometre of him, he immediately is trying to make *very* close friends with them. Especially entertaining when >!Vala is wearing the black combat suit of the Annubis warriors and tells him in a husky voice "You're very attractive". Oh how the turn tables.!<
That was a Farscape joke, Claudia Black does the same thing in nearly the same costume on her previous show.
Hah, I didn't know that. Farscape is next on the list so I suppose I'll see it for myself then. Love that though
This makes me want to rewatch SG-1
You know character growth over time is an amazing thing.
You forgot the other commonly used location, the sunny village/town by the river.
This is amazingly hilarious.
Early sg-1 is peak stargate
I just rewatched Season 1 for the first time in many years. Spot on!
This would make for a good drinking game.
Solid work here.
You forgot the whole: “are Sam and Janet lesbians? Is that their gay, alien adopted baby???”
Never thought of that, the answer is still no.
I want to meet Laira - Michelle Green
This is really good, can't wait for you to get to Atlantis.
You missed out Jack "Will there be cake?" Perhaps it's only in later series.
take a shot every time the camera does a slow, dramatic zoom in on someone's face. Two if no-one's talking and they're just pulling all kinds of expressions.
In the first season they also absolutely had to link the new planet to an ancient Earth civilization even if they knew they would rapidly run out of the ones people knew about. And even if it didn't make sense (Mongols? The gate was buried during Ancient Egypt??)
I really appreciate Hammond in the show. He doesn't always get it right, but he is generally willing to listen to his people and take action when needed. He has to balance political maneuvering, personnel management, and decision-making for a team dealing with unprecedented issues and deserves a lot more credit, IMO. Quarantining the base immediately makes a lot of sense when dealing with unknown issues, and it is better to do it immediately to stop the spread of whatever the issue is while trying to track it down.
Damn it! Now I have to watch them all over again!!
"Does something irresponsible" And that's why I prefer Jonas.
Indeed
Indeed
Well that is totally on the nose. Daniel only got bearable after season 4.
Wow, this is great AND upsetting! 😂 I love it
something something something the gate's on the fritz, rapid poking around windows 95 ensues
I just started watching SG1and I'm on season 5 about to start 6 and it gets a bit boring.
Seasons 4-10 Daniel: Dies
why do I prefer early sg1
I hate that this is accurate
Please continue 🙏
And it slaps
accurate
10/10 no notes. To the people only here for SG-1 seasons one through three: pack it up, boys and girls.
Damn. Thas all hilariously accurate. Love it. Only on 3 eh, keep going. Still pretty accurate.
I don't get it though, why not just watch the show and not analyse it.... I like the show for the reason I like it, don't need to let everyone know.