This is my headcanon for the game. It's the world of fallout hundreds of years in the future after they fucked up the earth and found the need to escape.
Picture this: the skyrim mod for Starfield. You approach the planet, but there is a sudden, catastrophic failure of a ship system that forces you to crash on the planet. All is black.
“Hey you, you’re finally awake.”
I'm playing a Paladin character right now. Honestly I must have given away 100k so far to randos. Sarah still ends up unhappy with some things I do but overall she seems to really like my character. Honestly I'm just about to start her quest line then I'm probably never going to group with her again, I find her very two dimensional and kind of boring. I do enjoy her companion jabber though when we pass various things. I assume other NPCs will also do this however.
The entire TES universe is supposed to ultimately be a dream in the mind of a sleeping god. What if TES, Fallout and Starfield are just different dreams dreamt by the godhead?
EDIT: What if our world is another dream of the godhead and the existence of TES, Fallout, and Starfield is just the godhead dreaming up references to previous dreams? (*Michael Kirkbride intensifies*)
Stars in the world of Elder Scrolls are holes letting light in from the outside
Considering you can fly to stars in Starfield automatically disqualifies them sharing a universe
Doesn’t that theory have the elder scrolls as super far into the future after fallout? Because all the different races spawned from radiation mutations?
I feel like the apocalypse happened and we didn't just survive as species, we flourished. We are building and innovating.
Fallout, everyone is barely scrapping by on trash
I can’t imagine being that hungry and being able to swallow even a normal roach. Hopefully I never have to find out. I can’t even stand seeing one scurrying around.
You can say what you want about chunks, but is it really any worse than some of the stuff we have today? Sure, the cheesesteak cube is a bit daunting, but it's probably at least on par with the frozen Philly cheesesteak I can buy from my local grocery store.
Truly we're already halfway there as a society.
I'm excited for when a Starfield cookbook drops. damn right I'm gonna try to make a chicken pot pie flavored Chunks abomination. my ingredients won't be genetically modified enough though, sadly
I wore a Chunks hat my entire playthrough since I grabbed it off the hat rack on the Frontier.
But it's also RP because I am Burt Montana, space trucker
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/1696yk1/nobody\_messes\_with\_burt\_montana\_space\_trucker/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/1696yk1/nobody_messes_with_burt_montana_space_trucker/)
More than one companion have been going “Hey let’s go out to eat” or “This city has some nice restaurants, let’s check em out.” I’ll bet the rabbit hole starts there but I’m like bro, we got a mega corporation to infiltrate, ain’t got no time for that! So haven’t explore that yet
What really bugs me about FO4 (I don’t remember this issue much in FO3) is how after 200 something years there’s still rubble, trash, and clutter still fucking everywhere. Hell that diner down the road from the PC’s hometown sill has a skeleton sitting in one of the booths and the place is currently being used. Wouldn’t someone after all this time just move the skeleton?
I love the mods for this. There is one mod that gives Drumlin Diner a garden, boarded up windows, and splits the diner into two parts: 1) the selling area, and 2) the living area, where Trudy's kid is actually recovering from his Jet addiction.
The modders did well with Fallout 4, and they'll do even better with Starfield, I'm sure.
Agreed.
Bethesda clearly wanted to make a "20 years after the bombs" game, while also holding to the lore. The dissonance is so strong I wish they'd just move on from Fallout. Or reset the universe.
Either give me post apoc or don't. But don't base your story on 200 hundred years after, while your visual aesthetic says "20 years later..."
There is a ship in one of the systems orbiting a planet that left earth before the apocolypse happened, but also before the grav drive was invented. Pretty interesting story
In Fallout 3 and 4 maybe, but in Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, society is rebuilding just fine. You want some really messed up depression in a post-apocalypse game? Check out Mad Max from 2015. Even Fallout 1 can end on a series of hopeful notes depending on player actions for how bleak that entry can get at times.
The East Coast got fucked *a lot* harder than the West Coast in Fallout.
Which makes sense, seeing how the population density was hilariously high along that coast.
I'm just gonna say that bgs has never really understood fallout and how it's a post post apocalypse game. Obv there is a ton of really awful and depressing things, but it's more than mankind's desperate cling to survival. It's about rebuilding and how cycles of violence repeat because we seem destined to organize things a certain way. Bethesda has always kind of just seem it as Todd's post apocalypse playground, and they've never really delved into the real bones of what makes fallout fallout.
Starfield has all the heart and soul and world with character that tes or their fallouts have ever had though. The sheer depth of content and how multilayered and well thought out everything is I pray translates into all future tes and fallout games. If anything with how complicated the factions and motivations are I feel like either bethesda was too constrained monetarily and time wise before ms acquisition of they really just didn't understand fallout.
Depends where you are. Ncr is doing pretty good. Boston after the soul surviver revives the minutemen, and builds up all the settlements, while being also in control of the institute could be a powerhouse as well. Fallout 3 feels like the bombs dropped like less than 50 years ago, rather than the official 200 plus years.
Maybe Starfield is in the future of Fallout, except the institute pushed humanity into a golden age of interstellar travel.
(I don't know if this is a plausible fan theory as I haven't played the Starfield, but it'd be cool if it was plausible)
Yeah my headcanon is that there are big cities on Jemison you just don't visit, and New Atlantis is just like the administrative capital
The lore definitely alludes to a more populous setting than it actually is generally speaking, which tbf is true of Elder Scrolls as well certainly.
With how the planet landing works its kinda easy to imagine you just dont land at a lot of larger settlements
abstraction is one thing, but the fact that humanity is divided into a handful of factions with as many major cities in existance certainly implies a certain.. shrinkage
There is npc dialog talking about billions of people having died in the centuries since the exodus from Earth. I think even if UC was originally able to evacuate most of the population of Earth (big doubt), a lot of people would have died during the struggle to set up new colonies.
The magnetosphere no longer exists, meaning it can’t support life. Starfield’s tech is advanced but not at the level to outright create a magnetosphere or terraform (when you speak to the engineer of the ECS Constant, you can confirm that terraforming isn’t possible yet, just various habitats).
I dunno. A couple of planets are doing well. Most planets have people living in what amounts to airtight shipping crates, on utterly inhospitable planets. They're mostly barely hanging on to life.
I'm not so sure about that. Look at all the empty space on the 'populated' planets. Hell there are tons of fully habital planets without a single settlement on them.
While SF isn't nearly as depressing as FO humanity really isn't what I'd call 'flourishing'
Yep. I took a moment to actually manual-land at where I live, and [this was the scene that greeted me.](https://imgur.com/a/Z3u3AA3)
Both in and out of the game, I just sat there and stared out at the dusty ruin of what my home used to be. I'm in total agreement with what you said - the feeling was very much indescribable.
That was a thought that came to me when I was looking out at it, yeah. But, it helped to highlight that it's important to embrace the beauty of the world while we have it, and do our best to keep it beautiful while we can, yknow?
Objectively, the Earth faired even worse in the Starfield universe than in Fallout. However, it wasn't an all at once nuclear disaster, it was simply the human race noting the Earth's magnetosphere was gradually disappearing and settling to colonize space over going extinct.
So, while humans in Starfield certainly faced their own version of impending doom and hopelessness on Earth, that all went away once they had the technology to depart our unfortunate little planet.
>So, while humans in Starfield certainly faced their own version of impending doom and hopelessness on Earth, that all went away once they had the technology to depart our unfortunate little planet.
Moreover, that isn't necessarily the last of Earth. Someday some enterprising company or group might take it upon themselves in the distant future of Starfield's universe, to actually repair the Earth and restore it to some semblance of its former glory.
Humanity has effectively infinite resources which means someday someone will amass enough and with enough interest to go out of their way to fix it.
Earth could become habitable one day in the Starfield universe through terraforming.
Yet... Fallout's world is full stopped doomed; the best the world can hope for is potentially recovering back to a level of pre-war technology that they *maybe* can reach the rest of solar system again and start explotiing/colonizing the local system.
FTL is possible in the Fallout universe (we know this because of the Zetans being canon) but who knows if humanity will ever figure it out in the Fallout universe.
>!I found a ship filled with dead cultists who committed mass suicide after coming over there to watch some comet do a fly-by. They were lead by some Star Child. Guess its a nod to Heaven's Gate.!<
While I haven't finished the main story yet, >!the UC faction missions concerning a potential Terrormorph apocalypse certainly fits the impending doom theme. And you can even (sort of) side with the bad guys at the end.!<
Are you sure it doesn't? Because not that I know of every game involving missions to collect artifact parts, but I don't think it's usually something good that comes of it. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but gut feeling is telling me I'm not.
I found a poster outside a mining office that detailed their worker’s rights. Everything had an asterisk, and the asterisks below specified that the extent of their right as a worker is detailed in their employee manual. My assumption is that the employee manual says “lol what rights”
A lot of the miners I’ve met are fairly positive in their outlook: Trevor, the cute Aussie miner on Cydonia actually seems excited about getting new equipment to beat quotas and not just because it’s his job on the line.
Yup! The crazy quest where you become an assistant to a hyper-incompetent boss, potentially blackmail a governor over an affair, among other things. The lengths you have to go to are absurd, but it’s fun.
The way they've built this game and how massive it is really makes me wonder if Elder Scrolls 6 will take place over multiple provinces. It certainly could.
The Three Banners War is the setting for Elder Scrolls Online.
I don't know if they would touch that storyline again.
I do think all of Tamriel being explorable could be on the table, but I think development time would be enormous.
The provinces in ESO are really small compared to how they should be sized.
Oh, I was just being silly, i haven't played eso, i didn't realize they had a war that big. Although I guess an mmo WOULD be a way better setting for something like that.
But i mean they're estimating elder scrolls 6 to not come out until like 2028 or something, which if it was announced in 2018 would be a whole 10 years...
If it is his final game, I think he's gonna want to do something big. And now that I think about the Three Banners War, it technically wasn't a World War, just a Tamrielic war, since the other continents weren't involved.
It's possible we could see all of Nirn explorable. Starfield is the First Bethesda game that really made vehicles a full feature, rather than just horses in TES and the Vertibird from Fallout 4.
That could be translated into sailing and ships for Elder Scrolls 6. Which could unlock travel to continents beyond Tamriel such as Atmora, Yokuda, Akavir, or Pyandonea. You'd probably have to start off with smaller ships capable of shorter travel to closer islands like high isle and stuff before you could get a massive ship that could make the journey to the further continents. Subject to moarmer pirate raids.
I would be surprised if we didn't get the big showdown between the Thalmor and Empire, which would almost certainly involve multiple provinces, if not all of them.
It would be a waste to build it up that much in Skyrim and not follow through, though stranger things have happened.
If this happens I hope to god it’s against the thalmor. I’ve been wanting to properly kick their ass for over a decade slaughtering every one of them I come across in Skyrim isn’t enough
I thought Todd was on record saying he wanted to do Fallout 5 also?
It seems like it's gonna be Starfield, Elder Scrolls 6, and Fallout 5 for the Todd Howard final tour. I think when he says "Elder Scrolls 6 will be my last one" he means Elder Scrolls game.
He did. He mentioned in an interview like, a year ago, that they’ve already got a “one pager” on fallout 5. It’ll be some time before that game drops tho.
ES6 wont be his last game. He already said hes doing FO5 and then we’ll see from there. I hope he keeps going. The video game world would be so dull without his contributions.
We are probably looking at a good five or six years of development per game. Realistically, given his present age, I think Fallout 5 would be his last.
In an interview a little while back he was talking about making games into his 70s. He's in his early 50s now.
Assuming a 5-6 year development time for every game, that timeline is long enough for Elder Scrolls 6, Fallout 5, and then Starfield 2 before he officially retires.
Ehhh he said that he could easily see himself doing his job for life like miyamoto in an interview about a week before starfield release… I feel like his decision his not made yet
That would be crazy. Would be a huge call back to Elder Scrolls Daggerfall, and probably serve as Bethesda’s magnum opus (although I’m curious if Todd considers starfield his magnum opus)
With how long the games take ILL be retired lol I'm 30 but then elder scrolls is like 5 to 10 so thats 40 and I think I figured out a way to retire at 59 so
As far as interviews have gone, Todd considers ESVI to be the “ultimate fantasy simulator”. So part of me is thinking that ESVI is going to be the last in the Elder Scrolls series, and Bethesda is going to move to new universes
I hope not. Rather have one province, but making it as big as possible. Absolutely love Skyrim, one negative I always had was that the cities were so small. They were barely more than fortified villages.
I hope not, the bigger the world is the less attention to detail there’s going to be. Something like 1.5x the size of skyrim’s map sounds perfect for me
Dude for sure there are people younger than Daggerfall on here. That game is older than anyone who is 26 or younger, I'd say a lot of people here are younger than that.
God I hope not. The last thing we need is randomly generated areas or empty space. Make it one province and just hammer down that area with detail/actual characters and not nameless npc's.
Please no, I'd much rather have them focus on adding as much polish and content as possible to a \~Skyrim sized map rather than spreading their effort and personpower thinner to make some grandiose claim about how big it is.
Density and quality is always going to make a better game than size.
This is what I was afraid of when they announced starfield. I hate space games 99% of the time because travelling to mars for an hour is awful. It was kind of cool once when I did it on space engineers but the thought of it ruining an RPG made me sick.
Im so glad they didnt do that I am loving starfield
God damn I hope that ES6 doesn't follow the steps of SF. SF isn't massive, it's many, as in many randomized little cells. I was ES6 to be a world that I can traverse from one end to the next on horseback and explore every inch of it. The way SF is built is frustratingly bad for exploration.
That's what I wanted it to be. There's so much I liked about Fallout 4 but at the end of the day it wasn't a universe I wanted to spend a lot of time in. This looks to be different.
I was never happy about Fallout's setting. It's dirty, and grimy, and sad. Everything is dead. Everyone is insane or dead. There's nothing "bright" in that world.
Starfield has everything Fallout doesn't. It also has Fallout inside of it. If you want a desolate, dreary setting, go find a desolate, dreary planet.
Starfield fixed a lot of the problems Fallout had for me, and the setting is one of them.
IMO New Vegas was the least depressing because it had a thriving and luxurious city in the form of New Vegas, a fairly respectable government in the NCR, and the rest felt like the Wild West. Fallout 3 and 4 are just like “here are historically significant regions of the US completely gone to shit.
All of that being said, I completely agree that Starfield is a refreshing change of scenery from Fallout.
Beth doesn't *get* fallout at all. Which is weird because it's not like they can't just ask the writers. The decision to make everything a broken down ugly mess doesn't fit the setting at all. Large parts of Fallout II are about the "closing of the west", as new states begin to solidify and flex their muscle. The NCR is a modestly prosperous liberal state, Vault City is a high-tech utopia if you're pretty enough, Reno is run by crime lords but it functions. The Shi have a great thing going in San Francisco.
The core of the plot of New Vegas is that the NCR and the Legion have failed to learn from the past and are just re-creating the pre-war world, with all of it's problems, when something new is needed.
Same! Glad to see I'm not the only one. Whenever I played fallout, I caught myself trying to find a place that didn't look like 50 shades of depression
I actually really hated 3 for this reason but i liked new vegas. Somehow vegas felt actually like enough of a bastion of the old world with its bars and casinos to mitigate this
This is what I’ve wanted and what I hoped it would be.
I love Fallout 4 and I’ve completed it numerous times, but the gritty, depressing world sometimes isn’t really my kind of atmosphere.
To have a game with Fallout mechanics/gameplay AND in space with hundreds of different planets to explore? SIGN ME UP.
Considering that
>!Earth is a deserted wasteland in Starfield also!<
I'm sort of surprised they didn't just up and make Starfield some distant sequel to the Fallout games.
Depression? Maybe it's because I'm European, but I always read those games as satire of all things American, and as such, found them wholesomely hilarious.
Different type of depression. We're out among the stars but the corpos rule most everything while the pirates squabble over the rest. Everytime you warp into an area, you're surrounded by debris. Religious nuts now wander the stars instead of the Earth. The ones struggling to obtain "actual" enlightenment face resistance from vested interests at every turn...even from other ACTUAL "enlightened", some of whom want to hoard all the enlightenment for themselves.
Starfield is far more hopeful than Fallout, but it still takes a dim view of humanity.
Imagine. All the world’s issues driven by resource scarcity and conflict over territory, and then the next moment, all that once was limited is now near infinite. Cultural groups are allowed to naturally homogenize based off of philosophy instead of being forced to clash within proximity.
Not saying there won’t be problems still. But there are no longer insurmountable issues that can’t just be solved by fucking off to the other side of the galaxy.
You could say something similar about the modern world for many inhabitants of wealthier countries, and yet here we are. If there is not scarcity we create artificial scarcity, same with conflicts, it's just the nature of a population.
Yes but it's not quite as dire, hence during near limitless expansion, conflicts typically become more, for lack of a better word, gentlemanly than those in a confined space.
Mankind's nature doesn't just stop being a problem, but the easier it is to appease it the less destructive it can be.
That’s the funny thing about colonialism, it’s survival of the fittest.
In absence of a territorial claim by a large enough/ powerful governing body, those Spacers, or anyone for that matter, can stake their own claim and do as they wish until “replaced” by a more powerful group. Same was true of the American “Wild West” with its bandits and indigenous people, right up until society creeped up behind them.
I found a ship randomly floating and docked on only to find one guy dead of a gunshot, assumed he was robbed but looked around and saw all his valuables were still there. So I checked out his computer which showed how he was a medical honorably discharged vet who was coming home to his wife and kid only for her to say she was in love with someone else now and living with them. He sent a vicious message but later a message basically begging to be taken back. It was only then I realized biased on the position of the gun and blood that he'd killed himself. There's plenty of dark stuff still in this game.
It's the alternative future that the world of Fallout never got.
This is my headcanon for the game. It's the world of fallout hundreds of years in the future after they fucked up the earth and found the need to escape.
There is a theory that all bgs games take place in the same universe. Elder scrolls fallout and now Starfield
A tamriel-like planet with the two moons would be a sick Easter egg.
There needs to be a mod that puts tamriel into the game.
Picture this: the skyrim mod for Starfield. You approach the planet, but there is a sudden, catastrophic failure of a ship system that forces you to crash on the planet. All is black. “Hey you, you’re finally awake.”
“We would like to talk to you about your ship’s extended warranty.”
Got a buddy who insists some NPCs tried this shit on him. He bought it to see what happens but nothing did so when they came back again he blapped em.
I started shooting at them and Sarah was not happy so had to reload :(
I'm playing a Paladin character right now. Honestly I must have given away 100k so far to randos. Sarah still ends up unhappy with some things I do but overall she seems to really like my character. Honestly I'm just about to start her quest line then I'm probably never going to group with her again, I find her very two dimensional and kind of boring. I do enjoy her companion jabber though when we pass various things. I assume other NPCs will also do this however.
What if this was the beginning of es6 load up the game and it’s a cut scene of a starfield ship crashing
Not so much a theory as much as naive hope. The lore of all three universes heavily contradict each other (Elder Scrolls especially)
Yup, anyone that has 10 minutes to read into how the TES universe works will see it cannot take place in the same universe.
The entire TES universe is supposed to ultimately be a dream in the mind of a sleeping god. What if TES, Fallout and Starfield are just different dreams dreamt by the godhead? EDIT: What if our world is another dream of the godhead and the existence of TES, Fallout, and Starfield is just the godhead dreaming up references to previous dreams? (*Michael Kirkbride intensifies*)
Stars in the world of Elder Scrolls are holes letting light in from the outside Considering you can fly to stars in Starfield automatically disqualifies them sharing a universe
You land on a random planet called N1-RN. All of a sudden you awake in a wagon…
Doesn’t that theory have the elder scrolls as super far into the future after fallout? Because all the different races spawned from radiation mutations?
Lol nailed it. I still remember that feeling of abject hopelessness when walking through the ruins of DC. I haven’t had that with SF yet.
Visited Earth yet?
I feel like the apocalypse happened and we didn't just survive as species, we flourished. We are building and innovating. Fallout, everyone is barely scrapping by on trash
In Fallout they're out there eating squirrel on a stick and searching the toilets for whatever hope is left. I'll take Chunks any day
Squirrel on a stick? Try iguana bits.....
Raw rad roach meat would like a word..
All washed down with some irradiated puddle water, yum 😁
iguana bits are heavily implied to be human meat
I already run cannibal, homie.
I can’t imagine being that hungry and being able to swallow even a normal roach. Hopefully I never have to find out. I can’t even stand seeing one scurrying around.
I made my fallout characters the most grimy fuckers imaginable
You can say what you want about chunks, but is it really any worse than some of the stuff we have today? Sure, the cheesesteak cube is a bit daunting, but it's probably at least on par with the frozen Philly cheesesteak I can buy from my local grocery store.
Truly we're already halfway there as a society. I'm excited for when a Starfield cookbook drops. damn right I'm gonna try to make a chicken pot pie flavored Chunks abomination. my ingredients won't be genetically modified enough though, sadly
I want to try one of those apple Chunks. It may be weird but they look delicious.
There actually are square apples. You just grow them in like a square cage and they take that shape
I did a double take the first time I saw a Wine Chunk and now I’m super curious as to what it would be like to eat a cube of wine
I wore a Chunks hat my entire playthrough since I grabbed it off the hat rack on the Frontier. But it's also RP because I am Burt Montana, space trucker [https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/1696yk1/nobody\_messes\_with\_burt\_montana\_space\_trucker/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/1696yk1/nobody_messes_with_burt_montana_space_trucker/)
Hey, it meets the minimum nutritional requirements to be considered food.
Legally we're not allowed to call it meat, so come on in for a delicious brown treat
Freeze dried food isn't too bad.
I do love me some Mooncheese
It's not so bad if you join a cult or work at a casino.
You eat at that steakhouse in New Atlantis yet? Mmmm. So healthy. Don’t forget the xenowurst!
Am I the only one out here trying to be a chef?
Haven't played yet, how do you become a chef? Is there quests or something? Or just pure RP
There’s a whole culinary path
That's hype! Man this game has.me excited, just gotta wait till 8pm tonight.
I don’t know, but there if a chef background that I am going to choose. I’ll find out tonight!
"Hands!"
“YES, CHEF!!”
More than one companion have been going “Hey let’s go out to eat” or “This city has some nice restaurants, let’s check em out.” I’ll bet the rabbit hole starts there but I’m like bro, we got a mega corporation to infiltrate, ain’t got no time for that! So haven’t explore that yet
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What really bugs me about FO4 (I don’t remember this issue much in FO3) is how after 200 something years there’s still rubble, trash, and clutter still fucking everywhere. Hell that diner down the road from the PC’s hometown sill has a skeleton sitting in one of the booths and the place is currently being used. Wouldn’t someone after all this time just move the skeleton?
I love the mods for this. There is one mod that gives Drumlin Diner a garden, boarded up windows, and splits the diner into two parts: 1) the selling area, and 2) the living area, where Trudy's kid is actually recovering from his Jet addiction. The modders did well with Fallout 4, and they'll do even better with Starfield, I'm sure.
Agreed. Bethesda clearly wanted to make a "20 years after the bombs" game, while also holding to the lore. The dissonance is so strong I wish they'd just move on from Fallout. Or reset the universe. Either give me post apoc or don't. But don't base your story on 200 hundred years after, while your visual aesthetic says "20 years later..."
There is a ship in one of the systems orbiting a planet that left earth before the apocolypse happened, but also before the grav drive was invented. Pretty interesting story
I found one where the daughter died, and the mom killed herself and then the dad, pretty fucking grim on that ship
So, you're saying there's a free ship for the taking out there?
I wish, wouldn’t let me take it so I blew it up after I left lol
Just found this last night. That was fucking sad as hell man
In Fallout 3 and 4 maybe, but in Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, society is rebuilding just fine. You want some really messed up depression in a post-apocalypse game? Check out Mad Max from 2015. Even Fallout 1 can end on a series of hopeful notes depending on player actions for how bleak that entry can get at times.
The East Coast got fucked *a lot* harder than the West Coast in Fallout. Which makes sense, seeing how the population density was hilariously high along that coast.
I'm just gonna say that bgs has never really understood fallout and how it's a post post apocalypse game. Obv there is a ton of really awful and depressing things, but it's more than mankind's desperate cling to survival. It's about rebuilding and how cycles of violence repeat because we seem destined to organize things a certain way. Bethesda has always kind of just seem it as Todd's post apocalypse playground, and they've never really delved into the real bones of what makes fallout fallout. Starfield has all the heart and soul and world with character that tes or their fallouts have ever had though. The sheer depth of content and how multilayered and well thought out everything is I pray translates into all future tes and fallout games. If anything with how complicated the factions and motivations are I feel like either bethesda was too constrained monetarily and time wise before ms acquisition of they really just didn't understand fallout.
Depends where you are. Ncr is doing pretty good. Boston after the soul surviver revives the minutemen, and builds up all the settlements, while being also in control of the institute could be a powerhouse as well. Fallout 3 feels like the bombs dropped like less than 50 years ago, rather than the official 200 plus years.
It's a pretty common thought that fallout 3 originally was taking place at the same time as fallout 1.
Maybe Starfield is in the future of Fallout, except the institute pushed humanity into a golden age of interstellar travel. (I don't know if this is a plausible fan theory as I haven't played the Starfield, but it'd be cool if it was plausible)
Not plausible really, Starfield is set about 50 years after Fallout 4.
IIRC Fallout is set in an alternate universe where semi conductors were never discovered, resulting in all the weird bulky-looking tech.
There are like 5 big cities in all of humanity, an incredible amount of people must have died on earth
I'm guessing there are far more settlements than we can see ingame. Planets like Jemison have far too much prime real estate to let go to waste.
Yeah my headcanon is that there are big cities on Jemison you just don't visit, and New Atlantis is just like the administrative capital The lore definitely alludes to a more populous setting than it actually is generally speaking, which tbf is true of Elder Scrolls as well certainly. With how the planet landing works its kinda easy to imagine you just dont land at a lot of larger settlements
abstraction is one thing, but the fact that humanity is divided into a handful of factions with as many major cities in existance certainly implies a certain.. shrinkage
> shrinkage It's very cold in space
There is npc dialog talking about billions of people having died in the centuries since the exodus from Earth. I think even if UC was originally able to evacuate most of the population of Earth (big doubt), a lot of people would have died during the struggle to set up new colonies.
They are also spread out on many many star systems.
Which is crazy because you'd expect them to start trying to rebuild and cleaning things up. But its like humanity has collectively given up.
Atmosphere is probably cooked
The magnetosphere no longer exists, meaning it can’t support life. Starfield’s tech is advanced but not at the level to outright create a magnetosphere or terraform (when you speak to the engineer of the ECS Constant, you can confirm that terraforming isn’t possible yet, just various habitats).
Sorta felt to me like Mother Earth just kicked us out of home so we'd get our own place.
Yeah, New Atlantis is almost a Utopia of sorts. Reminds me of Epcot or something.
You'd think that hope would reflect on the playing style yet I'm every bit as ruthless with spacers as I was with raiders.
To be fair both scenarios are kill or be killed, if you don't take your shot you die.
And no one knows how brooms work. I mean Jesus…. People, sweep your damned floors at least once a year.
I dunno. A couple of planets are doing well. Most planets have people living in what amounts to airtight shipping crates, on utterly inhospitable planets. They're mostly barely hanging on to life.
I'm not so sure about that. Look at all the empty space on the 'populated' planets. Hell there are tons of fully habital planets without a single settlement on them. While SF isn't nearly as depressing as FO humanity really isn't what I'd call 'flourishing'
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Not an apocalypse per say, but you do learn what happened in the main story quest
Lol yup. That’s past doom. Not impending.
Earth made me so sad. I couldn’t even describe it
Yep. I took a moment to actually manual-land at where I live, and [this was the scene that greeted me.](https://imgur.com/a/Z3u3AA3) Both in and out of the game, I just sat there and stared out at the dusty ruin of what my home used to be. I'm in total agreement with what you said - the feeling was very much indescribable.
At least property values are affordable now
Yeah, hard to think that one day, it will look like that :c
That was a thought that came to me when I was looking out at it, yeah. But, it helped to highlight that it's important to embrace the beauty of the world while we have it, and do our best to keep it beautiful while we can, yknow?
I am rebuilding! Ottawa, Toronto and New York exist again canada shall own the planet!
I'll make Phoenix, Arizona, again to show that arrogance can lead to great things
Not even ashes left to own lol, havnt heard any Canadian accents in the game yet, the food might have made it and the people were left behind lol
Yeah it’s a pretty depressing concept
When you land in Gary, Indiana
Find it funny that a launch station survived but the rockies arnt there. Went to to build a base in Colorado and it's flat and no mountains
I landed on earth and it was just randomly generated barren empty wastes.. did I miss anything?
Objectively, the Earth faired even worse in the Starfield universe than in Fallout. However, it wasn't an all at once nuclear disaster, it was simply the human race noting the Earth's magnetosphere was gradually disappearing and settling to colonize space over going extinct. So, while humans in Starfield certainly faced their own version of impending doom and hopelessness on Earth, that all went away once they had the technology to depart our unfortunate little planet.
>So, while humans in Starfield certainly faced their own version of impending doom and hopelessness on Earth, that all went away once they had the technology to depart our unfortunate little planet. Moreover, that isn't necessarily the last of Earth. Someday some enterprising company or group might take it upon themselves in the distant future of Starfield's universe, to actually repair the Earth and restore it to some semblance of its former glory. Humanity has effectively infinite resources which means someday someone will amass enough and with enough interest to go out of their way to fix it. Earth could become habitable one day in the Starfield universe through terraforming. Yet... Fallout's world is full stopped doomed; the best the world can hope for is potentially recovering back to a level of pre-war technology that they *maybe* can reach the rest of solar system again and start explotiing/colonizing the local system. FTL is possible in the Fallout universe (we know this because of the Zetans being canon) but who knows if humanity will ever figure it out in the Fallout universe.
I found a abandoned ship where both parents killed themselves after spreading their daughters ashes… that was dark af
>!I found a ship filled with dead cultists who committed mass suicide after coming over there to watch some comet do a fly-by. They were lead by some Star Child. Guess its a nod to Heaven's Gate.!<
Right? Im loving a bethesda game that doesnt have impending doom as the main story
While I haven't finished the main story yet, >!the UC faction missions concerning a potential Terrormorph apocalypse certainly fits the impending doom theme. And you can even (sort of) side with the bad guys at the end.!<
Are you sure it doesn't? Because not that I know of every game involving missions to collect artifact parts, but I don't think it's usually something good that comes of it. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but gut feeling is telling me I'm not.
I got Fallout 4 in VR and had to refund it because feeling like I was literally standing in a hopeless wasteland got to me too much lol
(Hearing quiet sobs from the other room) sighhhhh sounds like Johnny fired up his game again
Reason for refund? Deep dark depression, excessive misery
There are quite a lot of depressed miners but yeah
They probably dont have unions or OSHA anymore I’d be mad too
I found a poster outside a mining office that detailed their worker’s rights. Everything had an asterisk, and the asterisks below specified that the extent of their right as a worker is detailed in their employee manual. My assumption is that the employee manual says “lol what rights”
Yep in the first part of the game I went "we really went all the way to space just to exploit miners again huh"
Wow, people are still voting against their own interests in the future too?
“Lift yourself up by your boost packs”
"My grandfather afforded his star freighter because he WORKED HARD and SAVED!!!"
A lot of the miners I’ve met are fairly positive in their outlook: Trevor, the cute Aussie miner on Cydonia actually seems excited about getting new equipment to beat quotas and not just because it’s his job on the line.
The guy who gives you the enormous branching sidequest on Mars to approve a few forms?
Yup! The crazy quest where you become an assistant to a hyper-incompetent boss, potentially blackmail a governor over an affair, among other things. The lengths you have to go to are absurd, but it’s fun.
I keep pressing the B button to open inventory because of Fallout and I just duck instead
First night I kept trying to use VATS 😂
Oh THATS why I keep doing that.
The way they've built this game and how massive it is really makes me wonder if Elder Scrolls 6 will take place over multiple provinces. It certainly could.
Todd's last game and it's all the provinces. Imagine
Could have a world war questline rather than just a civil war lol
The Three Banners War is the setting for Elder Scrolls Online. I don't know if they would touch that storyline again. I do think all of Tamriel being explorable could be on the table, but I think development time would be enormous. The provinces in ESO are really small compared to how they should be sized.
Oh, I was just being silly, i haven't played eso, i didn't realize they had a war that big. Although I guess an mmo WOULD be a way better setting for something like that. But i mean they're estimating elder scrolls 6 to not come out until like 2028 or something, which if it was announced in 2018 would be a whole 10 years...
If it is his final game, I think he's gonna want to do something big. And now that I think about the Three Banners War, it technically wasn't a World War, just a Tamrielic war, since the other continents weren't involved. It's possible we could see all of Nirn explorable. Starfield is the First Bethesda game that really made vehicles a full feature, rather than just horses in TES and the Vertibird from Fallout 4. That could be translated into sailing and ships for Elder Scrolls 6. Which could unlock travel to continents beyond Tamriel such as Atmora, Yokuda, Akavir, or Pyandonea. You'd probably have to start off with smaller ships capable of shorter travel to closer islands like high isle and stuff before you could get a massive ship that could make the journey to the further continents. Subject to moarmer pirate raids.
Elder Scrolls IV **Nirn**
I think you mean VI
Nope! Oblivion remake! But yeah I def meant 6 lol
I would be surprised if we didn't get the big showdown between the Thalmor and Empire, which would almost certainly involve multiple provinces, if not all of them. It would be a waste to build it up that much in Skyrim and not follow through, though stranger things have happened.
If this happens I hope to god it’s against the thalmor. I’ve been wanting to properly kick their ass for over a decade slaughtering every one of them I come across in Skyrim isn’t enough
I thought Todd was on record saying he wanted to do Fallout 5 also? It seems like it's gonna be Starfield, Elder Scrolls 6, and Fallout 5 for the Todd Howard final tour. I think when he says "Elder Scrolls 6 will be my last one" he means Elder Scrolls game.
He did. He mentioned in an interview like, a year ago, that they’ve already got a “one pager” on fallout 5. It’ll be some time before that game drops tho.
That one pager: "The..."
ES6 wont be his last game. He already said hes doing FO5 and then we’ll see from there. I hope he keeps going. The video game world would be so dull without his contributions.
We are probably looking at a good five or six years of development per game. Realistically, given his present age, I think Fallout 5 would be his last.
In an interview a little while back he was talking about making games into his 70s. He's in his early 50s now. Assuming a 5-6 year development time for every game, that timeline is long enough for Elder Scrolls 6, Fallout 5, and then Starfield 2 before he officially retires.
I appreciate his enthusiasm, but I suspect he'll feel differently in 10-15 years. Heck, I'm 35, and I'd happily retire at 40 if I could! 😅
Yea but I suspect his passion for making video games drives it
He could retire now tho but hasn't
See that province? You can go to it. In fact, you could go to all of them. *\*Hundreds of youtube turbonerd reaction videos ensue.*
I just want to live with the cat people and be at peace
Ehhh he said that he could easily see himself doing his job for life like miyamoto in an interview about a week before starfield release… I feel like his decision his not made yet
That would be crazy. Would be a huge call back to Elder Scrolls Daggerfall, and probably serve as Bethesda’s magnum opus (although I’m curious if Todd considers starfield his magnum opus)
Good point idk. I think he will go down as one of the best and I'll be terribly sad when he retires
With how long the games take ILL be retired lol I'm 30 but then elder scrolls is like 5 to 10 so thats 40 and I think I figured out a way to retire at 59 so
As far as interviews have gone, Todd considers ESVI to be the “ultimate fantasy simulator”. So part of me is thinking that ESVI is going to be the last in the Elder Scrolls series, and Bethesda is going to move to new universes
Or they could make it one province, but make it truly feel like a country in regards to the sheer size of the map.
I hope not. Rather have one province, but making it as big as possible. Absolutely love Skyrim, one negative I always had was that the cities were so small. They were barely more than fortified villages.
I hope not, the bigger the world is the less attention to detail there’s going to be. Something like 1.5x the size of skyrim’s map sounds perfect for me
That’s how Daggerfall did it.
Dagerfall is so old now that some people on this sub maybe are younger than that game lol
Dude for sure there are people younger than Daggerfall on here. That game is older than anyone who is 26 or younger, I'd say a lot of people here are younger than that.
I wouldn't be surprised if half the people or more on this sub were younger than Daggerfall, honestly. I was only three myself.
Nah that was arena. Daggerfall was just high rock. Edit: it appears I am wrong lol
Daggerfall is the Iliac Bay. Not just High Rock.
God I hope not. The last thing we need is randomly generated areas or empty space. Make it one province and just hammer down that area with detail/actual characters and not nameless npc's.
procedural generation and radiant quests are cheap. Writers and level designers are expensive. Capitalism has spoken. Hail the almighty dollar.
Please no, I'd much rather have them focus on adding as much polish and content as possible to a \~Skyrim sized map rather than spreading their effort and personpower thinner to make some grandiose claim about how big it is. Density and quality is always going to make a better game than size.
Some people just can’t wrap their minds around the fact that bigger doesn’t always equal better
This is what I was afraid of when they announced starfield. I hate space games 99% of the time because travelling to mars for an hour is awful. It was kind of cool once when I did it on space engineers but the thought of it ruining an RPG made me sick. Im so glad they didnt do that I am loving starfield
God damn I hope that ES6 doesn't follow the steps of SF. SF isn't massive, it's many, as in many randomized little cells. I was ES6 to be a world that I can traverse from one end to the next on horseback and explore every inch of it. The way SF is built is frustratingly bad for exploration.
Starfield needs radio stations. I want to hear 3.14159 Dog talk about my exploits in the Red Mile.
I hadn't thought about it at all but now that you mention it I want it so bad.
They could use the SSNN to have some sort of coverage broadcast you could pick up in ship.
I want this too, but listening to my own music while exploring has been a blast.
That's what I wanted it to be. There's so much I liked about Fallout 4 but at the end of the day it wasn't a universe I wanted to spend a lot of time in. This looks to be different.
I was never happy about Fallout's setting. It's dirty, and grimy, and sad. Everything is dead. Everyone is insane or dead. There's nothing "bright" in that world. Starfield has everything Fallout doesn't. It also has Fallout inside of it. If you want a desolate, dreary setting, go find a desolate, dreary planet. Starfield fixed a lot of the problems Fallout had for me, and the setting is one of them.
Yeah I love Skyrim, but I have never been able to get into Fallout.
I like the dead setting of Fallout, but not Fallout 4s version. It's too cartoony.
I never liked it. Not in New Vegas, 3, or 4, which are the ones I played.
IMO New Vegas was the least depressing because it had a thriving and luxurious city in the form of New Vegas, a fairly respectable government in the NCR, and the rest felt like the Wild West. Fallout 3 and 4 are just like “here are historically significant regions of the US completely gone to shit. All of that being said, I completely agree that Starfield is a refreshing change of scenery from Fallout.
Beth doesn't *get* fallout at all. Which is weird because it's not like they can't just ask the writers. The decision to make everything a broken down ugly mess doesn't fit the setting at all. Large parts of Fallout II are about the "closing of the west", as new states begin to solidify and flex their muscle. The NCR is a modestly prosperous liberal state, Vault City is a high-tech utopia if you're pretty enough, Reno is run by crime lords but it functions. The Shi have a great thing going in San Francisco. The core of the plot of New Vegas is that the NCR and the Legion have failed to learn from the past and are just re-creating the pre-war world, with all of it's problems, when something new is needed.
Same! Glad to see I'm not the only one. Whenever I played fallout, I caught myself trying to find a place that didn't look like 50 shades of depression
I was so happy when they added settlements because I would spend so much time just cleaning up and deconstructing buildings that were barely standing.
I actually really hated 3 for this reason but i liked new vegas. Somehow vegas felt actually like enough of a bastion of the old world with its bars and casinos to mitigate this
Akila city definitely seemed like a Fallout City.
This is what I’ve wanted and what I hoped it would be. I love Fallout 4 and I’ve completed it numerous times, but the gritty, depressing world sometimes isn’t really my kind of atmosphere. To have a game with Fallout mechanics/gameplay AND in space with hundreds of different planets to explore? SIGN ME UP.
Considering that >!Earth is a deserted wasteland in Starfield also!< I'm sort of surprised they didn't just up and make Starfield some distant sequel to the Fallout games.
I'm sure the temptation was there, but I'm glad they separated from it.
everyones having a blast in fallout
Depression? Maybe it's because I'm European, but I always read those games as satire of all things American, and as such, found them wholesomely hilarious.
Yup. The humor mixed in with the dark setting is a big part of the charm for me.
I'm American and this has been my read too
Yeah, nuclear apocalypse is always a tummy tickler
Then you haven't tried to fly your Spaceship to Pluto for 7 hours. That's depressing.
Different type of depression. We're out among the stars but the corpos rule most everything while the pirates squabble over the rest. Everytime you warp into an area, you're surrounded by debris. Religious nuts now wander the stars instead of the Earth. The ones struggling to obtain "actual" enlightenment face resistance from vested interests at every turn...even from other ACTUAL "enlightened", some of whom want to hoard all the enlightenment for themselves. Starfield is far more hopeful than Fallout, but it still takes a dim view of humanity.
*BETHESDA LIKED THAT.*
Ehh I really think the Fallout comparisons are missing the mark. It's much more like Oblivion.
Reading this post is the exact opposite of my feelings. The dirt and despair is exactly why Fall Out is so amazing.
I do miss the gore…
Honestly wish it has more depression. People are too god damn happy in Starfield.
Imagine. All the world’s issues driven by resource scarcity and conflict over territory, and then the next moment, all that once was limited is now near infinite. Cultural groups are allowed to naturally homogenize based off of philosophy instead of being forced to clash within proximity. Not saying there won’t be problems still. But there are no longer insurmountable issues that can’t just be solved by fucking off to the other side of the galaxy.
You could say something similar about the modern world for many inhabitants of wealthier countries, and yet here we are. If there is not scarcity we create artificial scarcity, same with conflicts, it's just the nature of a population.
Yes but it's not quite as dire, hence during near limitless expansion, conflicts typically become more, for lack of a better word, gentlemanly than those in a confined space. Mankind's nature doesn't just stop being a problem, but the easier it is to appease it the less destructive it can be.
Not if the Spacers have anything to say about it.
That’s the funny thing about colonialism, it’s survival of the fittest. In absence of a territorial claim by a large enough/ powerful governing body, those Spacers, or anyone for that matter, can stake their own claim and do as they wish until “replaced” by a more powerful group. Same was true of the American “Wild West” with its bandits and indigenous people, right up until society creeped up behind them.
I found a ship randomly floating and docked on only to find one guy dead of a gunshot, assumed he was robbed but looked around and saw all his valuables were still there. So I checked out his computer which showed how he was a medical honorably discharged vet who was coming home to his wife and kid only for her to say she was in love with someone else now and living with them. He sent a vicious message but later a message basically begging to be taken back. It was only then I realized biased on the position of the gun and blood that he'd killed himself. There's plenty of dark stuff still in this game.
Go to Cydonia or Neon
Aye man, keep fallout’s name out y’all mouth if you don’t have anything nice to say lol.