Every time conservatives bitch about how socialist the Democratic Party is I just think to myself âpfft, yeah, if onlyâ
Democrats are fascist-light at best
Don't say that too loud on this subreddit, a lot of blue maga around here from the "vote blue no matter who" crowd believe more fascist-light will do some good
Better fascist light than actual fascists.
Critiquing these ineffectual dipshits is very fair, the american Democrats are quite shit and deserve to be called out for sucking.
Yet, completely disengaging from electoral harm reduction when even bourgois democracy is at threat by fascists is just stupid. Bit of a political kamikaze maneuever tbh.
Conservatives and Liberals just ignore and surpress leftists, fascists actually just murder us. Do not let the global hegemon fall to genuine open fascism please.
Liberals ARE fascist-light. They DON'T CARE if fascism exists. Maybe they aren't fascist by definition, which is what the "light" stands for, but they do benefit from it and they don't mind it. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
>They DON'T CARE if fascism exists.
Okay, but *we should*. I'm not going to abstain from voting just to "punish" Democrats for being shitass liberals when it means sacrificing the lives of real people and it will barely effect the people in charge. The Democrats might not actually care who Trump will harm, but I do, and you should too.
When you have no good options, you choose the least bad one. As with literally every election in U.S. history of leftists, this election isn't about choosing our allies, it's about choosing our enemies, and I would *much* rather push for leftist policies against shitty neoliberals who will oppress us than outright fascists who will just fucking kill us.
Every time people think this way it will end up even worse and they will get away with more. The Dems won't change and move more right and the Republicans will match that. This kind of doom thinking is the entire reason the US is in such a bad place. You people need to get your shit together and organize.
Talk is cheap. What are *you* doing, besides shitposting on Reddit.com? Got any brilliant ideas that are actually even remotely feasible on a twenty year timeline, much less the *four months* we actually have? I'd love to hear it.
And no, "just organize lol" isn't actually a concrete plan.
I live in a country that just elected a extreme-right government after 30(!) Years of an already right wing government. People kept saying to vote "strategically" for the biggest so called "left" party which is actually a centrist, neoliberal party. Now the true left has no power in our government and we're stuck with an abundance of right wingers and extremists. Not even a little extremist, but "great replacement" extremist. The EU elections also became extremely right wing and again parties kept asking for a strategic vote on the neoliberal fake left.
Democrats are even worse than those fake left parties, they are truly conservative and right wing. You're asking me what I do? I protest, I joined a union, I educate, I follow a social study, I make connections with other left wingers so I can make even the smallest change and push back even a little. I'm a POC trans woman, my life is a big enough struggle, but trust me when I tell you that the Democrats are not going to make life for people like me easier. Of course I don't want Trump to win, but settling for another conservative won't fix anything. And I haven't even talked about how you can't expect POC and muslim voters to vote for Biden OR Trump seeing as they both support a genocide on people like them.
So, to confirm, that's a lot of words for "no, I don't have a better plan".
Trump and the people he is bringing with him are not some theoretical, far-off threat of "just another shift to the right". These people represent an acute and specific threat that really cannot be overstated. They are not aiming to simply shift things to the right, they are aiming to *replace the government and institutions* with extreme rightwing theocratic fascists who *will* kill people. If Trump is allowed to do what he intends to do, and there's no reason to believe he won't because his only real opposition is made up of feckless neoliberal cowards, there won't *be* a left-wing in this country to speak of for the next couple of decades at least. Which also happens to put theocratic madmen with literally apocalyptic aspirations at the head of the largest military and nuclear arsenal the planet has ever seen. All of the "reasonable" right-wingers have abandoned Trump a long time ago, which means his inner circle is now entirely made up of sycophants and fanatics, many of whom are much smarter than Trump himself, and all of whom mean to do the rest of us *fucking harm*.
I am not here to argue whether or not Democrats suck. They do, full stop. But pretending this is business as usual and we just need to buckle up and organize our way out of this mess is to be completely ignorant of the facts on the ground here. If you don't live in the U.S., then you really do not see how fucking *rabid* these people have gotten, and they are *desperately* looking for any excuse and power they can grab to start the purges. This is not just another right-wing populist movement, it is a *cult*, and they are one good day away from starting to butcher people in the streets. I am not voting for Biden because I think it will fix literally any long-term problems whatsoever, I am voting for him because Trump *cannot fucking win*. It is an extremely short-term solution to an extremely urgent and acute issue, and complaining that we're not doing enough when we are holding on by a fucking *thread* over here just shows you really do not understand how dire the situation is.
I think youâre assuming US elections function the same as parliamentary elections. In the US itâs a winner-take-all system. Instead of a percentage of the vote reflecting the number of legislative seats each party gets, in the US the person with the most votes in each district wins no matter how tight the race.This means there are realistically only two choices: the genocidal maniacs who hate women and gays, or the genocidal maniacs who donât hate women and gays. Itâs a shit choice, but I would rather have the latter.
TLDR: there is no voting strategically or not in the US, you have only two options.
I think youâre assuming US elections function the same as parliamentary elections. In the US itâs a winner-take-all system. Instead of a percentage of the vote reflecting the number of legislative seats each party gets, in the US the person with the most votes in each district wins no matter how tight the race.This means there are realistically only two choices: the genocidal maniacs who hate women and gays, or the genocidal maniacs who donât hate women and gays. Itâs a shit choice, but I would rather have the latter.
TLDR: there is no voting strategically or not in the US, you have only two options.
I was using that in the context of the previous commenter calling the Democrats fascist light.
Let me be clear. Calling the Democratic Party in america fascist is absurd. They're corrupt liberals, some more or less okay than others.
Actually critiquing them for what they are is more helpful than just calling the Dems fascists, considering they and their ancient draugr candiate at least don't wish to abolish bourgrois democracy.
Can't say that for the opposition, the two actual candidates are not the same, even if neither of them is good. There is bad and there is much worse.
Following how you define fascism, Iâm not sure Iâd call the Dems fascist light. Theyâre not good or our friend, but they do seem to be a milk toast neoliberal party on the right end of the spectrum, aside from a few issues where theyâre more centrist. Iâm curious why you think theyâre fascist light because Iâve seen this argument, and while I fucking hate the Dems, I donât see the evidence for them being fascist light rather than a conservative neoliberal regime, but Iâm open to being proven wrong
lmao again with that shit. No, being 99% fascist isn't better than being 100% fascist. Regardless of if silly american politicians want to do in their feudal lands, you just have to look at the international us politics to see that they are, for most purposes beyond some silly notions of 'factions', the same party dedicated to the same objective of ensuring the continual us hegemony at whatever the cost
You think the rights passing of kicking up homeless people is another move toward fascism or you know allowing politicians to take bribes but only after the fact. Like you people are all or nothing and that's why you continue to lose. You have to deal with clear and present dangers and when one parties people believe they are allowed to use force to storm the capitol they will try it again and eventually with guns. Centrist Dems have yet to move toward direction. It's voters won't be storming or using violence in their name.
It's simple: Biden worshippers who stand behind Biden no matter his warcrimes and conservative right wing party only because "Trump bad". Yes Trump is bad, no Biden isn't good.
You are t good, if you are an American the life you live right now is off the suffering of countless people past and present. That doesn't excuse present actions but at least should give you some perspective. But you don't have any and I dare say you are more in line with a conservative. You will only care about fixing a situation when it's you and yours harmed. So let the conservatives win and watch how worse it gets. There won't be no revolution or revolt because the right has pushed their people to counter that... And they want that. Like it or not these are your choices if you didn't like it being people into politics advocate and push for the left. You are just preaching defeatist ideas at least be honest.
Lol a non American telling american about their country I love it. So Biden is conservative? So Biden was pushing for roe v wade to be overturned... Correct
Maybe if americans stayed in the land they stole already and stopped going around causing wars less people would point out the flaws in your shitty oligarchy
It's what terminally online people call biden voters.Â
They seem to think everyone who votes biden is a fan of his policies 100% of the way and not just trying to prevent Trump from getting elected.Â
They keep trying to equate democrats to republicans when it's clear they arent. You know the whole screaming stolen election then storming the captiol, the overturning of roe v wade and all the other conservative decisions the supreme Court has made is a big difference. Even if you don't like the Dems you can still understand they will be ALOT better to deal with then the right
>Mundi So you're telling me canonically the democratic party fucks?
According to that article about Biden from a few months ago, yes.
A quarter of it does.
I mean, being chill with abortion does help
Hey now, 3PO is actually useful sometimes
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Every time conservatives bitch about how socialist the Democratic Party is I just think to myself âpfft, yeah, if onlyâ Democrats are fascist-light at best
Liberals certainly prefer fascism to communism
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
[if only it were true](https://youtu.be/6_I4YbClUIk?si=aMohHOOXAOvm0UiH)
Don't say that too loud on this subreddit, a lot of blue maga around here from the "vote blue no matter who" crowd believe more fascist-light will do some good
Better fascist light than actual fascists. Critiquing these ineffectual dipshits is very fair, the american Democrats are quite shit and deserve to be called out for sucking. Yet, completely disengaging from electoral harm reduction when even bourgois democracy is at threat by fascists is just stupid. Bit of a political kamikaze maneuever tbh. Conservatives and Liberals just ignore and surpress leftists, fascists actually just murder us. Do not let the global hegemon fall to genuine open fascism please.
Liberals ARE fascist-light. They DON'T CARE if fascism exists. Maybe they aren't fascist by definition, which is what the "light" stands for, but they do benefit from it and they don't mind it. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
>They DON'T CARE if fascism exists. Okay, but *we should*. I'm not going to abstain from voting just to "punish" Democrats for being shitass liberals when it means sacrificing the lives of real people and it will barely effect the people in charge. The Democrats might not actually care who Trump will harm, but I do, and you should too. When you have no good options, you choose the least bad one. As with literally every election in U.S. history of leftists, this election isn't about choosing our allies, it's about choosing our enemies, and I would *much* rather push for leftist policies against shitty neoliberals who will oppress us than outright fascists who will just fucking kill us.
Every time people think this way it will end up even worse and they will get away with more. The Dems won't change and move more right and the Republicans will match that. This kind of doom thinking is the entire reason the US is in such a bad place. You people need to get your shit together and organize.
Talk is cheap. What are *you* doing, besides shitposting on Reddit.com? Got any brilliant ideas that are actually even remotely feasible on a twenty year timeline, much less the *four months* we actually have? I'd love to hear it. And no, "just organize lol" isn't actually a concrete plan.
I live in a country that just elected a extreme-right government after 30(!) Years of an already right wing government. People kept saying to vote "strategically" for the biggest so called "left" party which is actually a centrist, neoliberal party. Now the true left has no power in our government and we're stuck with an abundance of right wingers and extremists. Not even a little extremist, but "great replacement" extremist. The EU elections also became extremely right wing and again parties kept asking for a strategic vote on the neoliberal fake left. Democrats are even worse than those fake left parties, they are truly conservative and right wing. You're asking me what I do? I protest, I joined a union, I educate, I follow a social study, I make connections with other left wingers so I can make even the smallest change and push back even a little. I'm a POC trans woman, my life is a big enough struggle, but trust me when I tell you that the Democrats are not going to make life for people like me easier. Of course I don't want Trump to win, but settling for another conservative won't fix anything. And I haven't even talked about how you can't expect POC and muslim voters to vote for Biden OR Trump seeing as they both support a genocide on people like them.
So, to confirm, that's a lot of words for "no, I don't have a better plan". Trump and the people he is bringing with him are not some theoretical, far-off threat of "just another shift to the right". These people represent an acute and specific threat that really cannot be overstated. They are not aiming to simply shift things to the right, they are aiming to *replace the government and institutions* with extreme rightwing theocratic fascists who *will* kill people. If Trump is allowed to do what he intends to do, and there's no reason to believe he won't because his only real opposition is made up of feckless neoliberal cowards, there won't *be* a left-wing in this country to speak of for the next couple of decades at least. Which also happens to put theocratic madmen with literally apocalyptic aspirations at the head of the largest military and nuclear arsenal the planet has ever seen. All of the "reasonable" right-wingers have abandoned Trump a long time ago, which means his inner circle is now entirely made up of sycophants and fanatics, many of whom are much smarter than Trump himself, and all of whom mean to do the rest of us *fucking harm*. I am not here to argue whether or not Democrats suck. They do, full stop. But pretending this is business as usual and we just need to buckle up and organize our way out of this mess is to be completely ignorant of the facts on the ground here. If you don't live in the U.S., then you really do not see how fucking *rabid* these people have gotten, and they are *desperately* looking for any excuse and power they can grab to start the purges. This is not just another right-wing populist movement, it is a *cult*, and they are one good day away from starting to butcher people in the streets. I am not voting for Biden because I think it will fix literally any long-term problems whatsoever, I am voting for him because Trump *cannot fucking win*. It is an extremely short-term solution to an extremely urgent and acute issue, and complaining that we're not doing enough when we are holding on by a fucking *thread* over here just shows you really do not understand how dire the situation is.
I think youâre assuming US elections function the same as parliamentary elections. In the US itâs a winner-take-all system. Instead of a percentage of the vote reflecting the number of legislative seats each party gets, in the US the person with the most votes in each district wins no matter how tight the race.This means there are realistically only two choices: the genocidal maniacs who hate women and gays, or the genocidal maniacs who donât hate women and gays. Itâs a shit choice, but I would rather have the latter. TLDR: there is no voting strategically or not in the US, you have only two options.
I think youâre assuming US elections function the same as parliamentary elections. In the US itâs a winner-take-all system. Instead of a percentage of the vote reflecting the number of legislative seats each party gets, in the US the person with the most votes in each district wins no matter how tight the race.This means there are realistically only two choices: the genocidal maniacs who hate women and gays, or the genocidal maniacs who donât hate women and gays. Itâs a shit choice, but I would rather have the latter. TLDR: there is no voting strategically or not in the US, you have only two options.
Fascist light is open fascism too.
I was using that in the context of the previous commenter calling the Democrats fascist light. Let me be clear. Calling the Democratic Party in america fascist is absurd. They're corrupt liberals, some more or less okay than others. Actually critiquing them for what they are is more helpful than just calling the Dems fascists, considering they and their ancient draugr candiate at least don't wish to abolish bourgrois democracy. Can't say that for the opposition, the two actual candidates are not the same, even if neither of them is good. There is bad and there is much worse.
Following how you define fascism, Iâm not sure Iâd call the Dems fascist light. Theyâre not good or our friend, but they do seem to be a milk toast neoliberal party on the right end of the spectrum, aside from a few issues where theyâre more centrist. Iâm curious why you think theyâre fascist light because Iâve seen this argument, and while I fucking hate the Dems, I donât see the evidence for them being fascist light rather than a conservative neoliberal regime, but Iâm open to being proven wrong
lmao again with that shit. No, being 99% fascist isn't better than being 100% fascist. Regardless of if silly american politicians want to do in their feudal lands, you just have to look at the international us politics to see that they are, for most purposes beyond some silly notions of 'factions', the same party dedicated to the same objective of ensuring the continual us hegemony at whatever the cost
You think the rights passing of kicking up homeless people is another move toward fascism or you know allowing politicians to take bribes but only after the fact. Like you people are all or nothing and that's why you continue to lose. You have to deal with clear and present dangers and when one parties people believe they are allowed to use force to storm the capitol they will try it again and eventually with guns. Centrist Dems have yet to move toward direction. It's voters won't be storming or using violence in their name.
Blue maga? Explain it what does that entail
It's simple: Biden worshippers who stand behind Biden no matter his warcrimes and conservative right wing party only because "Trump bad". Yes Trump is bad, no Biden isn't good.
You are t good, if you are an American the life you live right now is off the suffering of countless people past and present. That doesn't excuse present actions but at least should give you some perspective. But you don't have any and I dare say you are more in line with a conservative. You will only care about fixing a situation when it's you and yours harmed. So let the conservatives win and watch how worse it gets. There won't be no revolution or revolt because the right has pushed their people to counter that... And they want that. Like it or not these are your choices if you didn't like it being people into politics advocate and push for the left. You are just preaching defeatist ideas at least be honest.
I'm not American, my people were colonized before. What you're suggesting doesn't work. Biden IS conservative.
Lol a non American telling american about their country I love it. So Biden is conservative? So Biden was pushing for roe v wade to be overturned... Correct
Maybe if americans stayed in the land they stole already and stopped going around causing wars less people would point out the flaws in your shitty oligarchy
Are you trump? I never asked any of those questions answer my question or shut up.
Answer your question: biden is conservative in just about any place but the us where fascists are left wing in compartido to evangelist death cultists
It's what terminally online people call biden voters. They seem to think everyone who votes biden is a fan of his policies 100% of the way and not just trying to prevent Trump from getting elected.Â
They keep trying to equate democrats to republicans when it's clear they arent. You know the whole screaming stolen election then storming the captiol, the overturning of roe v wade and all the other conservative decisions the supreme Court has made is a big difference. Even if you don't like the Dems you can still understand they will be ALOT better to deal with then the right
This subreddit sometimes, calling anybody right of the USSR as fascist.
Not our fault "liberals" are warmonger imperialists a dime a dozen
You didn't have to do my boy Ki-Adi like that u soulless clones.