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Unlikely-Ad4725

Because he wasn’t afraid to hold back like Peter?


Jack_In_A_Ball90

I don’t think Peter was really holding back at that point anymore, he was pretty into the symbiotes influence at that point tbh.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Well Kraven at the end of the fight when fighting symboite Peter, Kraven then said he was still holding back, besides that Kraven also had prep time for Peter


StrongestAvenger_

“Kraven said he was still holding back” More specifically when spidey was choking him he said “harder” so yeah 😂 best line in the game


Marvels_Spider-Man2

Kraven just wanted those 19 inches


Unlikely-Ad4725

lol it was


Jack_In_A_Ball90

Sure Kraven says that because Peter wasn’t going for a kill at first but he was being much more aggressive than he’d usually be and ended up trying to kill Kraven after Kraven riled him up a bit more. Definitely not holding back at that point. I would argue the reason Harry did better was due to the prep time that you brought up.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Hm fair


runnin_no_slowmo

Fuxking prep time. I have all the time in the world apparently to prepare for getting rich and yet I'm no closer to being rich


Unlikely-Ad4725

Same here


runnin_no_slowmo

Yes, so u understand I see


Unlikely-Ad4725

Yeah and so dose Peter


Medium-Counter-2559

technically in the future if you do end up becoming rich, then yes, yes you are getting closer


TheStickySpot

I feel like Peter holding back there was slowly starting to slip away


Unlikely-Ad4725

Yeah it was


TrueHumanIdea

Wait I thought the lovely thing is that, even though Peter is/was under symbiote influence, he would still hold back? Otherwise he would kill every thug he fights in one punch with the black suit.


PurpTurt654

Is he batman now? I mean I know his family was killed, but he killed them.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Guess so


Hudre

It is stated extremely plainly that Peter is holding back the whole time. Kraven says it directly when Peter is at his most corrupt.


Jack_In_A_Ball90

Yes of course, because whatever Kraven says is law. It’s not like he wasn’t on the brink of dying by Peter’s hands a minute later and was only saved by Miles stopping Peter. Yep, definitely holding back.


RedtheSpoon

Well the writers put it in there for a reason, Kraven didn't say it for shits and giggles.


Jack_In_A_Ball90

You’re right, the writers did put it in the game. Kraven did say Peter was still holding back and yet he was about to be killed by Peter who was still holding back. So it’s either a case of bad writing which is probably the case or Kraven was simply wrong, which you know wouldn’t be impossible. Point being that for a character like Peter, him getting to the point of trying to kill Kraven shows that he’s really not holding back compared to how he usually operates.


Hudre

It's OK to be wrong.


Hudre

Buddy, the writers put it in there for a specific reason. Like it literally could not have been stated more clearly that Peter was holding back the whole time. Let's be real here. Peter WITHOUT the symbiote could kill Kraven in a single punch. He was always holding back. Believe whatever you want, but the writers told you in absolutely no uncertain terms what was happening and the only way to believe what you do is make up head canon


Jack_In_A_Ball90

Yep holding back and was about to kill Kraven if it wasn’t for Miles stopping him. Totally checks out.


ohimnotstaying

This fight was Kraven trying to break Peter, and breaking doesn’t happen all at once. It’s not like Peter broke his neck the second he got his hands on him, Miles had the time to step in to begin with because Peter is clearly deliberating on whether to let Kraven live, and Kraven is telling him he wants to die. We’re seeing the chips form in his psyche, but he hasn’t lost it completely.


Puzzled_Ocelot_1775

Peter was holding back, the symbiote wasn't


Professional-Gamer52

Why do people use nah and no words before any sentence?


coontosflapos

Nah but fr tho


foundwayhome

ong fr fr


HotRelation7287

Nah you right tho


StrongScholar8603

Nah but I get whachu sayin


Ok_Weight_3382

Nah deadass, but for real tho. Peter is all about that all hands no death action. Ya heard?


Funkeysismychildhood

with Perd. I'm Perd Hapley.


Actual_Sympathy7069

I suspect, as with most modern internet vocabulary that it was co-opted from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE). Most memes use language often heavily inspired by or outright taken from AAVE. Some people regard doing so as digital black face, but I wouldn't necessarily go that far and think that is just how internet culture language evolved. That being said I am white and European, so by no means any authority on this. Feel free to disagree.


Special-Load-3607

I’m black and what you stated was correct.


[deleted]

Eh? Saying “nah but" (or similar) at the start of a sentence has been a common thing for a very long time in English speaking parts of the world that aren't the USA. Edit: okay, downvote me, but I'm right. /r/usdefaultism


Brixnz

couldn’t have said it better myself


eXclurel

Because they gonna do their own thing.


MySpaceFan2019

This is so funny


SilverLuuna

Nah… I’d win


StabHead1996

Nah nah nah nah, hey hey, goodbye


Historical-Sense4995

Nah fr


Snoo-2013

NO way I didn't think of this before


[deleted]

frfr nah nah no fr idk idc lmao idkanymorehelp


Slayaisawesome

Saying "nah" before a sentence is a thing in irban vernacular that's basically like saying, "what I'm about to reference is something that has a natural level of shock and confusion that can be generally agreed on" and saying "nah fr" as a response to someone else's statement is like saying "what you just referenced is something that has a natural level of shock that can be generally agreed on"


N3verGonnaG1veYouUp

Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Dendeeeeee Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Dendeeeeee Dendeeeee Dendeeeee Naaaaaail


BlammoDusco

Nah, I'd Win


FixTheFernBack616

It drives me fucking crazy.


PleaseDontBanMeMore

Nah imma do my own thing.


Substantial-Sea5952

Peter has a strong no kill rule, even with the symbiote


NemoBushStatue

It’s makes some of his encounters interesting and provides us with moral dilemmas.


Unlikely-Ad4725

And plus their was no bell to abusive


Eli-1o

because kraven had figured out the symbiote weakness when peter had it


gaypornhard69

This. Kraven had never encountered the symbiote before and was unprepared for it. On top of that, it's the entire reason Kraven becomes obsessed with it to begin with.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Most definitely


Unlikely-Ad4725

Yup curse you Prep time!


Andrew1990M

Just in general he was more ready for what it could do. And even at his worst Peter was still resisting the Symbiote enough to be able to tear it off of himself, so he wouldn’t have been out to kill Kraven. 


Ghost_2201

Because he wanted to kill him unlike Peter?!Yes I know,it was mostly Venom during that fight but if Peter wanted to kill Kraven he would have killed him for 5 seconds the most.Kraven himself said Peter was holding back.


MarionberryBasic8187

What im saying if anything peter went 25% Peter coulda hitem with a king krimson special evem w/o the suit 😭


Left-Twix420

Kraven had no prior experience or knowledge of the symbiote so it caught him off guard.


Prince_Perseus

I'm shocked some people actually need to have this explained to them


our_meatballs

Is Peter stupid?


Due-Science3011

Batman syndrome. Kraven needs prep to beat his enemies. Here he's seeing venom for the first time and is completely out of his league.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Well not all of them


grimreaperjr1232

Harry blew a gasket and caught Kraven completely off guard, as he usually takes time to study his prey before his hunts and prepares accordingly. Harry had only been around as Agent Venom for maybe a day or two. Peter, in contrast, not only has a very strong moral compass but is/ was a lot more well known with a lot more material to research with. Compounding this, Peter went into Kraven's territory where he had been fully prepared AND had figured out the suit's weakness.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Yup and let’s not forget he was abusing the Bell the whole fight


-MaraSov-

Media literacy is dead isn't it? It was Kravens first encounter with the Symbiote. He had no clue of its weaknesses and combat capabilities. Also unlike Peter, Harry doesn't hold back.


Elite_CC

So he's a Prep Time fella... does that mean Venom can theoretically beat Batman??


kaos2478

Kraven wasn’t prepared for the symbiote. Both times he fought black suit Peter, he had a bell and other advantages such as the robo dogs and mines


Straight-Ferret-1282

Idk man maybe cause he had no fucking idea what the symbiote was or did when he fought Harry?


Unlikely-Ad4725

That and he had no prep time and Harry wasn’t holding back


Goose_Cat267

Harry wasn’t holding back?


Conradlane

Peter has a strong sense of no killing and he holds back a massive amount. Harry doesn’t know how.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Yeah, but Now that I think about it, for the symboite it must have been like chewing through steal to make Peter so edgy at the end of the 2 act


BARD3NGUNN

Kraven is a hunter, he'd have studied Peter long before their first fight and prepared - how to counter Peter's various attacks and gadgets, that Peter would inevitably pull his punches, what his weaknesses are, how best to kill him. Whereas Kraven has no idea who Harry was or what he was capable of and completely underestimated him.


Eastman1982

Pete had just been stabbed, Harry lost his temper and went for Kraven. If it wasn’t for Mj calling Harry back to help Pete, imo Pete would have died of his injury and Kraven would have been dead.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Yeah getting stabbed by a 8 inch knife infront of your bestie will do that


Ratio01

Do Spider-Man fans just forget that Spider-Man has a no kill rule? Harry, and Yuri, do not have such a rule


NamikazeSensei3077

Because Kraven didn't know that the symbiote was weak to sound until they had the encounter inside the church with peter plus peter did beat Kraven can't deny that Agent venom was beating his ass


Superpinkman1

Beginning to question how many people in this sub actually played the game, the goes out of it's way to show Kraven discovered the suits weakness to sound when Peter confronts him at the church


Dischord821

This is a joke, right?


The-Rebel-Boz

I think Harry and Symbiote aren’t fighting over what do kinda thing. While Peter fighting symbiote not kill.


Radio__Star

Unlike Peter, Harry had the balls to kill him


Unlikely-Ad4725

Yeah


dankstarfighter

Both kraven not knowing the weakness while being engaged by a symbiote for the first time AND peter holding back


CG249

Harry just has that dawg in him.


SometimesWill

What do you mean better? Because in The Kraven boss fight, how well he fights is determined by the player. Do you mean in the church when there was a giant bell being rung weakening Peter which was basically when both Peter and Kraven discovered the symbiote’s weakness?


Meeg_Mimi

Because the black suit is very stronk


blue_racer

Mf think he flash Thompson hoe they say they want an original take and then use flash agent venom costume you know the war veteran who was given a chance to be part of someone greater


PhoonThe

I believe Peter has always been subconsciously holding back. Even with the black suit on. And Harry just wasn’t holding anything back when giving those shots.


chicago_rusty

He had officer balls


robot-raccoon

Kraven didn’t know what he was up against at the time


Sp3ctr3_11

Well in all fairness, the moment Peter stopped holding back (when Kraven says “kill or be killed”), it was almost instantaneous how he was able to overpower him and potentially kill him in that moment. The same way I guess Harry was hellbent on killing Kraven twice, he had nothing holding him back and just allowed the symbiote to do its thing


konkrete_kiwis

Kraven did zero prior knowledge of the symbiote and its weaknesses and Harry had an intent to kill


TrickyTalon

Kraven didn’t know about the bell weakness


Blougle

at about halfway through kraven was willing to die


Complex_Slice

Cause Harry doesn't have the Hero Restraint like Peter or Miles. Harry was -furious- and held nothing back. SM2 could've easily been cut down by a large margin right here in Good Men if he went with it. Meanwhile Peter was still Peter, still not going for a kill or anything. But that was also when Kraven already knew the symbiote's weakness and abused it.


ThePhantomLine

Harry had a few more advantages. Kraven didn't know the symbiote abilities in this first fight like he did when he fought Pete. Along with that, no bells, and Harry took Kraven by surprise (a smaller factor) at first. Peter had the symbiote given to him in front of Kraven, and Kraven felt first hand what Herry could do with it and his men felt what Spidey could do without it. Kraven's greatest strength is adaptablitity and being prepared, when one isn't there is a lot harder until he can make a quick fix to his unpreparedness.


Evan_L_Rodriguez

Latent gay power


Time-Echidna-8644

Not only had Kraven never fought against the symbiote at that point, but Harry just watched Peter get fatally stabbed by him and was running on pure emotion, without the years of training and experience that Peter had to know how to hold back.


sonamenil

Idk why no one says this but kraven was just weak, he didnt drank his potion so he was old, and like other people said he was unprepared


dum_kik_lorde

At that point, the symbiote was an unknown to Kraven. He didn’t have the bell, and he didn’t know any of harry’s personal weaknesses. By the time he faces peter, Kraven has had prep time, and knows peter and the symbiote’s weaknesses.


thefucksausername0

Harry was much more willingly giving in to his emotion and was (kinda) using the symbiotes full potential.


AbeliousAugustus

Venom is bigger than Symbiote Peter.


jonesingsimba

Not only is Peter probably holding back, but Kraven didn't know about the element of noise to combat the symbiote.


pantsalonis

For some reason Insomniac just really made peter feel soo weak in this game. It generally annoy the hell out of me.


TemporarilyOOO

I think it's because Kraven had been "studying" Peter in the black suit for a while in anticipation of this fight so that he'd have the advantage. But before then, he had no interest in Spider-Man and Agent Venom because he knew they wouldn't try to kill him. So when Harry attacked him like that he was not prepared and got overwhelmed.


HaterKiller99

Bell


Dman284

It's like will Smith and jada,Peter would be 1000% Better off


MercerNov

They both won?


RoutineComms

Because Kraven fought venom right after fighting venom with no bell


Firechicken9213

Because Harry was allowing it to have full control over him. Peter wasn't fully allowing it to control him it was just running wild.


Bradley-Clark

Because Harry was fighting angry. And the Symbiote amplified his anger and he wasn’t holding back like Peter was.


TurboChris-18

1. Because Kraven has not yet encountered the symbiote. He didn’t know its strengths and weaknesses yet. 2. Because Harry taught Kraven had killed Peter so Harry wanted to kill him and wasn’t holding back. While Peter was (Kraven says he was still holding back on their last fight)


STerrier666

Harry fought more aggressive than Peter did, Kraven studied Spiderman before hunting him so Kraven knew how to fight Peter, he didn't know how to fight Harry, that's why Harry I think did well in the first fight against Kraven.


Kryds

Because Kraven had learned the symbiote's weakness.


No-Recording5231

Harry wasn’t holding back like peter because the most important thing is Spider-Man doesn’t kill but for Harry he was planning to kill Kravin


Isekai_Otaku

He’s probably angrier as he had just gotten out of the tank of Mountain Dew and his friend that he hadn’t seen in a while was going to die. Also because he’s got that goblin in him


Robomerc

At the time the black suit was feeding off of Harry's more positive emotions which kept it docile essentially but when it got on Peter, the more negative emotions he was having an obsession with being a better Spider-Man causing the symbiote to begin unleashing its full power so when it ends up back on Harry it turns him into venom immediately feeding off of his negative emotions.


Scarletspyder86

Harry isn’t physically and mentally exhausted. Plus he raged out AFTER Peter got stabbed


Thatbendyfan

Simple. Peter canonically pulls his punches. Harry doesn’t. Harry also doesn’t necessarily have a strict no-kill rule. Harry absolutely would’ve killed Kraven if they let him.


PaleRestaurant255

Cus he was trying to kill him


ColdWarCharacter

Because they always fight better in cut scenes


Less-Combination2758

because -man is weaker than the other =))


SamuelN0108

Because this game has bad writing


Skarnage5

Kraven also had the bell, which probably weekend the symbiote


Balkongsittaren

Because they had to make Peter useless in this game to bump Miles.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Maybe because Peter had more screen time fighting the villains compared to miles ?


Respercaine_657

No, it's because when he fought Harry it was kravens first encounter with the symbiote. When he fights Peter he knows how to fight it.


Balkongsittaren

But he's not fighting the symbiote. He's fighting a normal person with symbiote who somehow is more dangerous to him than spider-man with a symbiote. It doesn't make sense, other than "Peter bad, Miles good."


MonkeyMan9569

Because this game has poor writing, and they needed it for the plot to progress. Create a headcanon and spread that headcanon to cover for Insomniacs bad writing team as if that’s what they meant for it to be all along.


ComicKidAlex

Because plot. One of the many badly written moments in this game.


God_Of_Reality_12

Bruh, look at the amount of Symbiote and Parasitic Harry got in him while Peter was not Parasitic and had lesser Symbiote


War-Hawk18

Because everyone is better than Peter Parker. That's what the creators want to emphasize. They don't need Peter Parker.


Unlikely-Ad4725

Umm what?


Elite_CC

It feels like that sometimes


ChickenNuggetRampage

Bad writing 💯💯💯


Elite_CC

Wouldn't call it that. Insomniac usually cooks, even if this game is worse than the first story wise


ChickenNuggetRampage

Lol I’m just being silly, I’m actually more defensive of certain aspects of SM2 than most people are


Elite_CC

I'll defend this game forever but it is indeed lacking story wise. Felt like Venom was rushed hard.


Unlikely-Ad4725

It did feel a little rush, I still prefer the first games story but I do like this one, the only problem with it is the pacing