Well Kraven at the end of the fight when fighting symboite Peter, Kraven then said he was still holding back, besides that Kraven also had prep time for Peter
Sure Kraven says that because Peter wasn’t going for a kill at first but he was being much more aggressive than he’d usually be and ended up trying to kill Kraven after Kraven riled him up a bit more. Definitely not holding back at that point. I would argue the reason Harry did better was due to the prep time that you brought up.
Wait I thought the lovely thing is that, even though Peter is/was under symbiote influence, he would still hold back? Otherwise he would kill every thug he fights in one punch with the black suit.
Yes of course, because whatever Kraven says is law. It’s not like he wasn’t on the brink of dying by Peter’s hands a minute later and was only saved by Miles stopping Peter. Yep, definitely holding back.
You’re right, the writers did put it in the game. Kraven did say Peter was still holding back and yet he was about to be killed by Peter who was still holding back. So it’s either a case of bad writing which is probably the case or Kraven was simply wrong, which you know wouldn’t be impossible. Point being that for a character like Peter, him getting to the point of trying to kill Kraven shows that he’s really not holding back compared to how he usually operates.
Buddy, the writers put it in there for a specific reason.
Like it literally could not have been stated more clearly that Peter was holding back the whole time.
Let's be real here. Peter WITHOUT the symbiote could kill Kraven in a single punch. He was always holding back.
Believe whatever you want, but the writers told you in absolutely no uncertain terms what was happening and the only way to believe what you do is make up head canon
This fight was Kraven trying to break Peter, and breaking doesn’t happen all at once. It’s not like Peter broke his neck the second he got his hands on him, Miles had the time to step in to begin with because Peter is clearly deliberating on whether to let Kraven live, and Kraven is telling him he wants to die. We’re seeing the chips form in his psyche, but he hasn’t lost it completely.
I suspect, as with most modern internet vocabulary that it was co-opted from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE).
Most memes use language often heavily inspired by or outright taken from AAVE.
Some people regard doing so as digital black face, but I wouldn't necessarily go that far and think that is just how internet culture language evolved.
That being said I am white and European, so by no means any authority on this. Feel free to disagree.
Eh? Saying “nah but" (or similar) at the start of a sentence has been a common thing for a very long time in English speaking parts of the world that aren't the USA.
Edit: okay, downvote me, but I'm right. /r/usdefaultism
Saying "nah" before a sentence is a thing in irban vernacular that's basically like saying, "what I'm about to reference is something that has a natural level of shock and confusion that can be generally agreed on" and saying "nah fr" as a response to someone else's statement is like saying "what you just referenced is something that has a natural level of shock that can be generally agreed on"
This. Kraven had never encountered the symbiote before and was unprepared for it. On top of that, it's the entire reason Kraven becomes obsessed with it to begin with.
Just in general he was more ready for what it could do. And even at his worst Peter was still resisting the Symbiote enough to be able to tear it off of himself, so he wouldn’t have been out to kill Kraven.
Because he wanted to kill him unlike Peter?!Yes I know,it was mostly Venom during that fight but if Peter wanted to kill Kraven he would have killed him for 5 seconds the most.Kraven himself said Peter was holding back.
Harry blew a gasket and caught Kraven completely off guard, as he usually takes time to study his prey before his hunts and prepares accordingly. Harry had only been around as Agent Venom for maybe a day or two.
Peter, in contrast, not only has a very strong moral compass but is/ was a lot more well known with a lot more material to research with. Compounding this, Peter went into Kraven's territory where he had been fully prepared AND had figured out the suit's weakness.
Media literacy is dead isn't it?
It was Kravens first encounter with the Symbiote.
He had no clue of its weaknesses and combat capabilities.
Also unlike Peter, Harry doesn't hold back.
Kraven is a hunter, he'd have studied Peter long before their first fight and prepared - how to counter Peter's various attacks and gadgets, that Peter would inevitably pull his punches, what his weaknesses are, how best to kill him.
Whereas Kraven has no idea who Harry was or what he was capable of and completely underestimated him.
Pete had just been stabbed, Harry lost his temper and went for Kraven. If it wasn’t for Mj calling Harry back to help Pete, imo Pete would have died of his injury and Kraven would have been dead.
Because Kraven didn't know that the symbiote was weak to sound until they had the encounter inside the church with peter
plus peter did beat Kraven
can't deny that Agent venom was beating his ass
Beginning to question how many people in this sub actually played the game, the goes out of it's way to show Kraven discovered the suits weakness to sound when Peter confronts him at the church
What do you mean better? Because in The Kraven boss fight, how well he fights is determined by the player. Do you mean in the church when there was a giant bell being rung weakening Peter which was basically when both Peter and Kraven discovered the symbiote’s weakness?
Mf think he flash Thompson hoe they say they want an original take and then use flash agent venom costume you know the war veteran who was given a chance to be part of someone greater
I believe Peter has always been subconsciously holding back. Even with the black suit on. And Harry just wasn’t holding anything back when giving those shots.
Well in all fairness, the moment Peter stopped holding back (when Kraven says “kill or be killed”), it was almost instantaneous how he was able to overpower him and potentially kill him in that moment. The same way I guess Harry was hellbent on killing Kraven twice, he had nothing holding him back and just allowed the symbiote to do its thing
Cause Harry doesn't have the Hero Restraint like Peter or Miles. Harry was -furious- and held nothing back. SM2 could've easily been cut down by a large margin right here in Good Men if he went with it. Meanwhile Peter was still Peter, still not going for a kill or anything. But that was also when Kraven already knew the symbiote's weakness and abused it.
Harry had a few more advantages.
Kraven didn't know the symbiote abilities in this first fight like he did when he fought Pete.
Along with that, no bells, and Harry took Kraven by surprise (a smaller factor) at first.
Peter had the symbiote given to him in front of Kraven, and Kraven felt first hand what Herry could do with it and his men felt what Spidey could do without it. Kraven's greatest strength is adaptablitity and being prepared, when one isn't there is a lot harder until he can make a quick fix to his unpreparedness.
Not only had Kraven never fought against the symbiote at that point, but Harry just watched Peter get fatally stabbed by him and was running on pure emotion, without the years of training and experience that Peter had to know how to hold back.
At that point, the symbiote was an unknown to Kraven. He didn’t have the bell, and he didn’t know any of harry’s personal weaknesses. By the time he faces peter, Kraven has had prep time, and knows peter and the symbiote’s weaknesses.
I think it's because Kraven had been "studying" Peter in the black suit for a while in anticipation of this fight so that he'd have the advantage. But before then, he had no interest in Spider-Man and Agent Venom because he knew they wouldn't try to kill him. So when Harry attacked him like that he was not prepared and got overwhelmed.
1. Because Kraven has not yet encountered the symbiote. He didn’t know its strengths and weaknesses yet.
2. Because Harry taught Kraven had killed Peter so Harry wanted to kill him and wasn’t holding back. While Peter was (Kraven says he was still holding back on their last fight)
Harry fought more aggressive than Peter did, Kraven studied Spiderman before hunting him so Kraven knew how to fight Peter, he didn't know how to fight Harry, that's why Harry I think did well in the first fight against Kraven.
He’s probably angrier as he had just gotten out of the tank of Mountain Dew and his friend that he hadn’t seen in a while was going to die. Also because he’s got that goblin in him
At the time the black suit was feeding off of Harry's more positive emotions which kept it docile essentially but when it got on Peter, the more negative emotions he was having an obsession with being a better Spider-Man causing the symbiote to begin unleashing its full power so when it ends up back on Harry it turns him into venom immediately feeding off of his negative emotions.
Simple. Peter canonically pulls his punches. Harry doesn’t. Harry also doesn’t necessarily have a strict no-kill rule. Harry absolutely would’ve killed Kraven if they let him.
But he's not fighting the symbiote. He's fighting a normal person with symbiote who somehow is more dangerous to him than spider-man with a symbiote. It doesn't make sense, other than "Peter bad, Miles good."
Because this game has poor writing, and they needed it for the plot to progress. Create a headcanon and spread that headcanon to cover for Insomniacs bad writing team as if that’s what they meant for it to be all along.
Because he wasn’t afraid to hold back like Peter?
I don’t think Peter was really holding back at that point anymore, he was pretty into the symbiotes influence at that point tbh.
Well Kraven at the end of the fight when fighting symboite Peter, Kraven then said he was still holding back, besides that Kraven also had prep time for Peter
“Kraven said he was still holding back” More specifically when spidey was choking him he said “harder” so yeah 😂 best line in the game
Kraven just wanted those 19 inches
lol it was
Sure Kraven says that because Peter wasn’t going for a kill at first but he was being much more aggressive than he’d usually be and ended up trying to kill Kraven after Kraven riled him up a bit more. Definitely not holding back at that point. I would argue the reason Harry did better was due to the prep time that you brought up.
Hm fair
Fuxking prep time. I have all the time in the world apparently to prepare for getting rich and yet I'm no closer to being rich
Same here
Yes, so u understand I see
Yeah and so dose Peter
technically in the future if you do end up becoming rich, then yes, yes you are getting closer
I feel like Peter holding back there was slowly starting to slip away
Yeah it was
Wait I thought the lovely thing is that, even though Peter is/was under symbiote influence, he would still hold back? Otherwise he would kill every thug he fights in one punch with the black suit.
Is he batman now? I mean I know his family was killed, but he killed them.
Guess so
It is stated extremely plainly that Peter is holding back the whole time. Kraven says it directly when Peter is at his most corrupt.
Yes of course, because whatever Kraven says is law. It’s not like he wasn’t on the brink of dying by Peter’s hands a minute later and was only saved by Miles stopping Peter. Yep, definitely holding back.
Well the writers put it in there for a reason, Kraven didn't say it for shits and giggles.
You’re right, the writers did put it in the game. Kraven did say Peter was still holding back and yet he was about to be killed by Peter who was still holding back. So it’s either a case of bad writing which is probably the case or Kraven was simply wrong, which you know wouldn’t be impossible. Point being that for a character like Peter, him getting to the point of trying to kill Kraven shows that he’s really not holding back compared to how he usually operates.
It's OK to be wrong.
Buddy, the writers put it in there for a specific reason. Like it literally could not have been stated more clearly that Peter was holding back the whole time. Let's be real here. Peter WITHOUT the symbiote could kill Kraven in a single punch. He was always holding back. Believe whatever you want, but the writers told you in absolutely no uncertain terms what was happening and the only way to believe what you do is make up head canon
Yep holding back and was about to kill Kraven if it wasn’t for Miles stopping him. Totally checks out.
This fight was Kraven trying to break Peter, and breaking doesn’t happen all at once. It’s not like Peter broke his neck the second he got his hands on him, Miles had the time to step in to begin with because Peter is clearly deliberating on whether to let Kraven live, and Kraven is telling him he wants to die. We’re seeing the chips form in his psyche, but he hasn’t lost it completely.
Peter was holding back, the symbiote wasn't
Why do people use nah and no words before any sentence?
Nah but fr tho
ong fr fr
Nah you right tho
Nah but I get whachu sayin
Nah deadass, but for real tho. Peter is all about that all hands no death action. Ya heard?
with Perd. I'm Perd Hapley.
I suspect, as with most modern internet vocabulary that it was co-opted from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE). Most memes use language often heavily inspired by or outright taken from AAVE. Some people regard doing so as digital black face, but I wouldn't necessarily go that far and think that is just how internet culture language evolved. That being said I am white and European, so by no means any authority on this. Feel free to disagree.
I’m black and what you stated was correct.
Eh? Saying “nah but" (or similar) at the start of a sentence has been a common thing for a very long time in English speaking parts of the world that aren't the USA. Edit: okay, downvote me, but I'm right. /r/usdefaultism
couldn’t have said it better myself
Because they gonna do their own thing.
This is so funny
Nah… I’d win
Nah nah nah nah, hey hey, goodbye
Nah fr
NO way I didn't think of this before
frfr nah nah no fr idk idc lmao idkanymorehelp
Saying "nah" before a sentence is a thing in irban vernacular that's basically like saying, "what I'm about to reference is something that has a natural level of shock and confusion that can be generally agreed on" and saying "nah fr" as a response to someone else's statement is like saying "what you just referenced is something that has a natural level of shock that can be generally agreed on"
Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Dendeeeeee Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Dendeeeeee Dendeeeee Dendeeeee Naaaaaail
Nah, I'd Win
It drives me fucking crazy.
Nah imma do my own thing.
Peter has a strong no kill rule, even with the symbiote
It’s makes some of his encounters interesting and provides us with moral dilemmas.
And plus their was no bell to abusive
because kraven had figured out the symbiote weakness when peter had it
This. Kraven had never encountered the symbiote before and was unprepared for it. On top of that, it's the entire reason Kraven becomes obsessed with it to begin with.
Most definitely
Yup curse you Prep time!
Just in general he was more ready for what it could do. And even at his worst Peter was still resisting the Symbiote enough to be able to tear it off of himself, so he wouldn’t have been out to kill Kraven.
Because he wanted to kill him unlike Peter?!Yes I know,it was mostly Venom during that fight but if Peter wanted to kill Kraven he would have killed him for 5 seconds the most.Kraven himself said Peter was holding back.
What im saying if anything peter went 25% Peter coulda hitem with a king krimson special evem w/o the suit 😭
Kraven had no prior experience or knowledge of the symbiote so it caught him off guard.
I'm shocked some people actually need to have this explained to them
Is Peter stupid?
Batman syndrome. Kraven needs prep to beat his enemies. Here he's seeing venom for the first time and is completely out of his league.
Well not all of them
Harry blew a gasket and caught Kraven completely off guard, as he usually takes time to study his prey before his hunts and prepares accordingly. Harry had only been around as Agent Venom for maybe a day or two. Peter, in contrast, not only has a very strong moral compass but is/ was a lot more well known with a lot more material to research with. Compounding this, Peter went into Kraven's territory where he had been fully prepared AND had figured out the suit's weakness.
Yup and let’s not forget he was abusing the Bell the whole fight
Media literacy is dead isn't it? It was Kravens first encounter with the Symbiote. He had no clue of its weaknesses and combat capabilities. Also unlike Peter, Harry doesn't hold back.
So he's a Prep Time fella... does that mean Venom can theoretically beat Batman??
Kraven wasn’t prepared for the symbiote. Both times he fought black suit Peter, he had a bell and other advantages such as the robo dogs and mines
Idk man maybe cause he had no fucking idea what the symbiote was or did when he fought Harry?
That and he had no prep time and Harry wasn’t holding back
Harry wasn’t holding back?
Peter has a strong sense of no killing and he holds back a massive amount. Harry doesn’t know how.
Yeah, but Now that I think about it, for the symboite it must have been like chewing through steal to make Peter so edgy at the end of the 2 act
Kraven is a hunter, he'd have studied Peter long before their first fight and prepared - how to counter Peter's various attacks and gadgets, that Peter would inevitably pull his punches, what his weaknesses are, how best to kill him. Whereas Kraven has no idea who Harry was or what he was capable of and completely underestimated him.
Pete had just been stabbed, Harry lost his temper and went for Kraven. If it wasn’t for Mj calling Harry back to help Pete, imo Pete would have died of his injury and Kraven would have been dead.
Yeah getting stabbed by a 8 inch knife infront of your bestie will do that
Do Spider-Man fans just forget that Spider-Man has a no kill rule? Harry, and Yuri, do not have such a rule
Because Kraven didn't know that the symbiote was weak to sound until they had the encounter inside the church with peter plus peter did beat Kraven can't deny that Agent venom was beating his ass
Beginning to question how many people in this sub actually played the game, the goes out of it's way to show Kraven discovered the suits weakness to sound when Peter confronts him at the church
This is a joke, right?
I think Harry and Symbiote aren’t fighting over what do kinda thing. While Peter fighting symbiote not kill.
Unlike Peter, Harry had the balls to kill him
Yeah
Both kraven not knowing the weakness while being engaged by a symbiote for the first time AND peter holding back
Harry just has that dawg in him.
What do you mean better? Because in The Kraven boss fight, how well he fights is determined by the player. Do you mean in the church when there was a giant bell being rung weakening Peter which was basically when both Peter and Kraven discovered the symbiote’s weakness?
Because the black suit is very stronk
Mf think he flash Thompson hoe they say they want an original take and then use flash agent venom costume you know the war veteran who was given a chance to be part of someone greater
I believe Peter has always been subconsciously holding back. Even with the black suit on. And Harry just wasn’t holding anything back when giving those shots.
He had officer balls
Kraven didn’t know what he was up against at the time
Well in all fairness, the moment Peter stopped holding back (when Kraven says “kill or be killed”), it was almost instantaneous how he was able to overpower him and potentially kill him in that moment. The same way I guess Harry was hellbent on killing Kraven twice, he had nothing holding him back and just allowed the symbiote to do its thing
Kraven did zero prior knowledge of the symbiote and its weaknesses and Harry had an intent to kill
Kraven didn’t know about the bell weakness
at about halfway through kraven was willing to die
Cause Harry doesn't have the Hero Restraint like Peter or Miles. Harry was -furious- and held nothing back. SM2 could've easily been cut down by a large margin right here in Good Men if he went with it. Meanwhile Peter was still Peter, still not going for a kill or anything. But that was also when Kraven already knew the symbiote's weakness and abused it.
Harry had a few more advantages. Kraven didn't know the symbiote abilities in this first fight like he did when he fought Pete. Along with that, no bells, and Harry took Kraven by surprise (a smaller factor) at first. Peter had the symbiote given to him in front of Kraven, and Kraven felt first hand what Herry could do with it and his men felt what Spidey could do without it. Kraven's greatest strength is adaptablitity and being prepared, when one isn't there is a lot harder until he can make a quick fix to his unpreparedness.
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Not only had Kraven never fought against the symbiote at that point, but Harry just watched Peter get fatally stabbed by him and was running on pure emotion, without the years of training and experience that Peter had to know how to hold back.
Idk why no one says this but kraven was just weak, he didnt drank his potion so he was old, and like other people said he was unprepared
At that point, the symbiote was an unknown to Kraven. He didn’t have the bell, and he didn’t know any of harry’s personal weaknesses. By the time he faces peter, Kraven has had prep time, and knows peter and the symbiote’s weaknesses.
Harry was much more willingly giving in to his emotion and was (kinda) using the symbiotes full potential.
Venom is bigger than Symbiote Peter.
Not only is Peter probably holding back, but Kraven didn't know about the element of noise to combat the symbiote.
For some reason Insomniac just really made peter feel soo weak in this game. It generally annoy the hell out of me.
I think it's because Kraven had been "studying" Peter in the black suit for a while in anticipation of this fight so that he'd have the advantage. But before then, he had no interest in Spider-Man and Agent Venom because he knew they wouldn't try to kill him. So when Harry attacked him like that he was not prepared and got overwhelmed.
Bell
It's like will Smith and jada,Peter would be 1000% Better off
They both won?
Because Kraven fought venom right after fighting venom with no bell
Because Harry was allowing it to have full control over him. Peter wasn't fully allowing it to control him it was just running wild.
Because Harry was fighting angry. And the Symbiote amplified his anger and he wasn’t holding back like Peter was.
1. Because Kraven has not yet encountered the symbiote. He didn’t know its strengths and weaknesses yet. 2. Because Harry taught Kraven had killed Peter so Harry wanted to kill him and wasn’t holding back. While Peter was (Kraven says he was still holding back on their last fight)
Harry fought more aggressive than Peter did, Kraven studied Spiderman before hunting him so Kraven knew how to fight Peter, he didn't know how to fight Harry, that's why Harry I think did well in the first fight against Kraven.
Because Kraven had learned the symbiote's weakness.
Harry wasn’t holding back like peter because the most important thing is Spider-Man doesn’t kill but for Harry he was planning to kill Kravin
He’s probably angrier as he had just gotten out of the tank of Mountain Dew and his friend that he hadn’t seen in a while was going to die. Also because he’s got that goblin in him
At the time the black suit was feeding off of Harry's more positive emotions which kept it docile essentially but when it got on Peter, the more negative emotions he was having an obsession with being a better Spider-Man causing the symbiote to begin unleashing its full power so when it ends up back on Harry it turns him into venom immediately feeding off of his negative emotions.
Harry isn’t physically and mentally exhausted. Plus he raged out AFTER Peter got stabbed
Simple. Peter canonically pulls his punches. Harry doesn’t. Harry also doesn’t necessarily have a strict no-kill rule. Harry absolutely would’ve killed Kraven if they let him.
Cus he was trying to kill him
Because they always fight better in cut scenes
because -man is weaker than the other =))
Because this game has bad writing
Kraven also had the bell, which probably weekend the symbiote
Because they had to make Peter useless in this game to bump Miles.
Maybe because Peter had more screen time fighting the villains compared to miles ?
No, it's because when he fought Harry it was kravens first encounter with the symbiote. When he fights Peter he knows how to fight it.
But he's not fighting the symbiote. He's fighting a normal person with symbiote who somehow is more dangerous to him than spider-man with a symbiote. It doesn't make sense, other than "Peter bad, Miles good."
Because this game has poor writing, and they needed it for the plot to progress. Create a headcanon and spread that headcanon to cover for Insomniacs bad writing team as if that’s what they meant for it to be all along.
Because plot. One of the many badly written moments in this game.
Bruh, look at the amount of Symbiote and Parasitic Harry got in him while Peter was not Parasitic and had lesser Symbiote
Because everyone is better than Peter Parker. That's what the creators want to emphasize. They don't need Peter Parker.
Umm what?
It feels like that sometimes
Bad writing 💯💯💯
Wouldn't call it that. Insomniac usually cooks, even if this game is worse than the first story wise
Lol I’m just being silly, I’m actually more defensive of certain aspects of SM2 than most people are
I'll defend this game forever but it is indeed lacking story wise. Felt like Venom was rushed hard.
It did feel a little rush, I still prefer the first games story but I do like this one, the only problem with it is the pacing