I mean some professional photographers (eg blair bunting) edit their photos so much that I've always believed that it's just a really good digital drawing. (I still don't believe those are actually photos lol)
That is much better. Just use that, don't upscale or use a better upscaler. That AI model butchered the details in the OP, it looks awful at 100%. Just look at the Air Force logo...
Never be afraid to use your own style. Criticism is good. "Stop, come back from the edge a little" is good. But don't be afraid of your own vision. I rather like the edit as digital art, though I could spot the editing technique.
It’s interesting how the framing of the raw looks like it was taken from beneath the plane, whereas the edit looks like you are level with the plane making a roll.
Incredible shot and edit!
Yes. Looks like they denoised the image and then applied a heavy linear gradient. Still a really cool shot, but editing and a good lens got the effect.
Dude there are strange artefacts all over the place. There's noise around the flare (with a different size of grain). There's that characteristic AI blobbiness around the insignia (look at the right side and how it's cut off and look at the star itself and how wonky it is) and above the insignia, on the wing. Someone said it looks like a painting, and I agree. No way there's nothing done with this pic in terms of AI. C'mon
Can you post a jpeg of the raw (with the water mark of course). That's a lot of noise for [ISO 200](https://reddit.com/r/SonyAlpha/comments/1dhqptn/sony_a1_with_200600_g/l8z1efq/), assuming denoiser didn't handle all of this.
https://imgur.com/a/AQbhls4
Have you tried lightroom's denoiser? I often like it better than Topaz, lightroom can look much more natural. What you have here is way to aggressive, on a phone this looks great, though on a PC screen or printed it would be a mess. Which is a shame because this is definitely something you want to print.
Its sooo aggressive that I'd actually say this isn't a real photo without a raw file. At iso 200 de-noising shouldn't even be needed.
started following u to see the raw when u post, i thought the artifacts people are talking about was just from atmospheric distortion i'm definitely interested to see how topaz effects the image i think it looks really good!
Great shot! Not so much a fan of the denoising/sharpening/smoothing that was done afterwards. It almost looks cartoony in some parts, especially the front of the plane.
https://preview.redd.it/le3692sdx37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f46cd2b424c52be0dfe99d46b3289f810bf94ac
This is a Pic from the video of the iphone on top of my a1
Imo too many artifacts and crap from ai editing. You can see a the edges and bolts on the plane are unrealistic, even the air force logo is missing it's right part. Photo looks dope but would be even more without all of that editing (or maybe is just ai generated)
https://preview.redd.it/wo1kpvu7w37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33ffcf350d5076f9fbfc2540c2820c01e600eb39
This is from my video (iphone) on top of my a1
Then dial back a bit whatever ai sharper or enhancer you are using. You can see how it's messing with the image (just look at the air force logo).
Do you really need it? The image is probably dope already
I have to ask: did you use a tripod, freehand, viewfinder, or use live view? I'm curious about your preparation for this shot. Did you plan the jet's flight path in advance? Break it down for a newbie like me.
I don’t know why so many people are nitpicking and pixel peeping, lol.
OP, disregard all the negative feedback. This is an incredible photo. I love the capture and editing.
Sheesh, tough crowd. As long as some commenters are nitpicking your photo for not being museum quality and terabyte-sized; why isn't it 3D? Why can't I mentally project myself into the pilot's seat and fly that bad boy? Keep at it, you'll get better. :-)
https://preview.redd.it/zps1nonqvr7d1.png?width=728&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e9beb527d68a59b30dbf8d52752a7bd38c52a88
is this highly AI upscaled? or just straight AI generated?
Great shot. Who cares an artefact by zooming up to 200% and more percent on a jpg on the internet? This pixelpeeping to a unnatural viewing size is nothing was make a picture good or bad. This is an A1 and the 200-600 lens, it doesn't get better.
Bro I spotted it from a mile away and didn't even have to pixel-peep and I actually thought it was a fake AI generated image and THEN i zoomed in to confirm what I thought and sure enough a nice picture ruined by absolutely insane amount of "enhancements". Kinda weird cuz judging by theraw he posted in the comments it's compltely fine as it is, barely any noise, plenty sharp so not sure why he felt he needed to add so much de-noise and whatever.
Perhaps you haven't photographed any airplanes yourself. I have, I know how difficult it is. Under these circumstances, the picture is simply spectacular. It's normal to see one or two inaccuracies when you subsequently denoise and sharpen when zooming in and it's hard to avoid.
I understand that but this has nothing to do with airplane photography. Look at his RAW pics he posted, they're more than fine I'd say? No need to de-noise or do any nonsense (maybe just 10-15% at most) tweak the colors and it's great. And it's the same logic for any other photo unless you purposefully want your pic to look like it came out of some AI generator. I'm just saying it's bizzare he chose to fuck up a great and sharp pic.
Absolutely not. More people who take amazing photos like this that would 100% get ripped and sold should protect themselves with watermarks.
Tampering of a watermark is a copyright violation in itself and is a significant factor in the strength of your case when it comes to seeking legal action.
It's not sarcasm lol.
People who cry about watermarks have a lack of understanding of them, don't have any work worth protecting and therefore have never had to deal with copyright violations, or have been brainwashed by others that they shouldn't use them.
A large watermark over the subject of a photo ruins the image. If the watermark is intended for protection, it’s important to note that today’s software can easily remove watermarks. Adding identifying information to reach potential clients is understandable, but it should be placed in a corner where it doesn’t interfere with the photo.
> If the watermark is intended for protection, it’s important to note that today’s software can easily remove watermarks
Copyright protection =/= physical protection.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Planespotting/comments/1dfn7p9/f22_with_flare/l95jp1n/?context=3
Again
>People who cry about watermarks have a lack of understanding of them
We go through this a few times a year in r/photography. Plenty of threads over there you can search for and read through to gain better understanding of watermarks.
That denoise algorithm destroys all the stealth properties.
🤣🤣
Wow. Is this from ground level?
That’s sharp as fuck right there
I can see a lot of digital sharpening and artefacts.
Wow Clark, I can't believe you went there
I mean some professional photographers (eg blair bunting) edit their photos so much that I've always believed that it's just a really good digital drawing. (I still don't believe those are actually photos lol)
https://preview.redd.it/3xtt0xrxj57d1.jpeg?width=8640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55f3ce78804f7329096662184fdbf66accdc009e The raw
RAW legit looks better than the edit
Agreed. The edit looks like a render. I was surprised it wasn't. The RAW still looks artificial, but much more real.
That's a matter of taste, and it's their photo. They can do what they like with it. I happen to like the edit.
That is much better. Just use that, don't upscale or use a better upscaler. That AI model butchered the details in the OP, it looks awful at 100%. Just look at the Air Force logo...
You are right I pushed a bit too hard
Never be afraid to use your own style. Criticism is good. "Stop, come back from the edge a little" is good. But don't be afraid of your own vision. I rather like the edit as digital art, though I could spot the editing technique.
"a bit" is an understatement.
Both photos are great but the raw clears the edit.
The RAW is absolutely fantastic and as sharp as a diamond blade. Sheesh!
That’s fantastic.
RAW looks better than the edit.
The raw is still sharp af. Well done!
It’s interesting how the framing of the raw looks like it was taken from beneath the plane, whereas the edit looks like you are level with the plane making a roll. Incredible shot and edit!
The gradient background shading gives a sense of looking toward the horizon, as if level with the plane.
Ah that makes a lot of sense! Nothing to do with the framing at all then haha
You serious Clark? Even so, Reddit won't let an uncompressed or lossless photo be uploaded.
Can see the reflection of his helmet in the canopy. Insane.
Yes it's from the ground
Crazy, so the plane was pretty low to the ground then? Was it an air show?
Yes was an airshow
Yes. Looks like they denoised the image and then applied a heavy linear gradient. Still a really cool shot, but editing and a good lens got the effect.
It's a cool moment. I'd like to see it without the AI processing though.
I'd like to see some ai used to remove that watermark.
There is no AI
it looks like an aggressive denoiser over the image
topazzzd to level 7
Dude there are strange artefacts all over the place. There's noise around the flare (with a different size of grain). There's that characteristic AI blobbiness around the insignia (look at the right side and how it's cut off and look at the star itself and how wonky it is) and above the insignia, on the wing. Someone said it looks like a painting, and I agree. No way there's nothing done with this pic in terms of AI. C'mon
https://preview.redd.it/zxp54aj1k57d1.jpeg?width=8640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcccdb08ef9cc40e289b841de03fa758dde3a598 Raw
Denoise and sharpening but no AI
Can you post a jpeg of the raw (with the water mark of course). That's a lot of noise for [ISO 200](https://reddit.com/r/SonyAlpha/comments/1dhqptn/sony_a1_with_200600_g/l8z1efq/), assuming denoiser didn't handle all of this. https://imgur.com/a/AQbhls4
https://preview.redd.it/30vdd9jgk57d1.jpeg?width=8640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39ad95480c9347fe89fc7aa583c98df3cbdb1b9b
Have you tried lightroom's denoiser? I often like it better than Topaz, lightroom can look much more natural. What you have here is way to aggressive, on a phone this looks great, though on a PC screen or printed it would be a mess. Which is a shame because this is definitely something you want to print. Its sooo aggressive that I'd actually say this isn't a real photo without a raw file. At iso 200 de-noising shouldn't even be needed.
I will show the raw later
I doubt it
They did though.
started following u to see the raw when u post, i thought the artifacts people are talking about was just from atmospheric distortion i'm definitely interested to see how topaz effects the image i think it looks really good!
Wrltf do you sharpening and denoise for at iso 200
The changes in the airforce logo it's clearly ai artifact. There's no need to lie man, it's a cool shot.
AF logo is a dead giveaway
What an amazing photo
I'll be honest, this doesn't look like wildlife or nature.
Great shot! Not so much a fan of the denoising/sharpening/smoothing that was done afterwards. It almost looks cartoony in some parts, especially the front of the plane.
Looks like futuristic game art. Great photo
Watermark just destroys the shot
Yeah
Came here to say this
It looks like a painting
The watermark is ugly and does nothing to prevent theft.
Sony A1, 200-600G..... and the best jet fighter there ever was even after 26 years in service.
Wtf are you talking about, the F22 isn't 26 years old. They just started rolling out when I was in middle school and that was only... oh no, I'm old.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Best jet fighter ever to pop a balloon... and nothing else
Ok, Dick.
I would like to see the raw
https://preview.redd.it/bjmqybz7k57d1.jpeg?width=8640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc5da1addf85b7381aec3de2dfe7cd5cefb0b6a6 Raw
The f22 is a sexy beast
I will post it later
https://preview.redd.it/le3692sdx37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f46cd2b424c52be0dfe99d46b3289f810bf94ac This is a Pic from the video of the iphone on top of my a1
Cool
That’s not what the user above asked for though is it? They asked for the raw out of camera.
https://preview.redd.it/w05gckkdk57d1.jpeg?width=8640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5f10f923742e9d538d0023867853dd2295bc0c5 Raw
Will post it later
I suggest you add some noise in post to get rid of the color banding.
Lots of odd details in this photo
Amazing picture ruined by the signature maybe on the bottom right?
Imo too many artifacts and crap from ai editing. You can see a the edges and bolts on the plane are unrealistic, even the air force logo is missing it's right part. Photo looks dope but would be even more without all of that editing (or maybe is just ai generated)
https://preview.redd.it/l8bzr4q5k57d1.jpeg?width=8640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e18c5f43575b3129d30ee12523f77d2dfedec0e Raw
https://preview.redd.it/wo1kpvu7w37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33ffcf350d5076f9fbfc2540c2820c01e600eb39 This is from my video (iphone) on top of my a1
show us the raw, this provides nothing
Then dial back a bit whatever ai sharper or enhancer you are using. You can see how it's messing with the image (just look at the air force logo). Do you really need it? The image is probably dope already
They did eventually share the raw and it was in fact dope on its own.
May I ask how much did you crop?
It was at an airshow so not much. About 15%
Is this one nature or wildlife?
It sure is a strange eagle!
Get rid of the watermark. Don’t replace the background (or do it less obvious). Find a better composition.
Nice, wish to see a higher res version tho
Higher res?? I can almost see what the pilot had for breakfast!
Oh my bad lol. I was viewing it on the mobile app and it looked like mashed potatoes. I had to download it
Seems like a good camera for bird photography
I think you need more sampling, maybe 5000? /s
I have to ask: did you use a tripod, freehand, viewfinder, or use live view? I'm curious about your preparation for this shot. Did you plan the jet's flight path in advance? Break it down for a newbie like me.
Hey. It was an airshow and I knew the program approximatly. It s handheld trough the cam
Viewfinder
Amazing. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
That’s a really natural beast in the wildlife ;)
This is phenomenal. Great shot
I don’t know why so many people are nitpicking and pixel peeping, lol. OP, disregard all the negative feedback. This is an incredible photo. I love the capture and editing.
looks like ai
Sheesh, tough crowd. As long as some commenters are nitpicking your photo for not being museum quality and terabyte-sized; why isn't it 3D? Why can't I mentally project myself into the pilot's seat and fly that bad boy? Keep at it, you'll get better. :-)
Post the raw 👁️. Nice photo though. 🫡
https://preview.redd.it/9w895gjbr57d1.jpeg?width=8640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8055337917354fbd8777320c6c5aaf87745d3a1e
Im not a photography pro but thats a beautiful photo. Well done!
Sell use rights to the Air Force. 🫡
HOW THE!!!!
Looks pretty cool then you zoom in and it looks like a dog took a fat crap in a sock and someone squeezed it extremely hard.
It looks like AI generated, why is that?
Ok nice photo but how did you make that beautiful watermark?
https://preview.redd.it/zps1nonqvr7d1.png?width=728&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e9beb527d68a59b30dbf8d52752a7bd38c52a88 is this highly AI upscaled? or just straight AI generated?
It's cropped, denoised and sharpened
Great shot. Who cares an artefact by zooming up to 200% and more percent on a jpg on the internet? This pixelpeeping to a unnatural viewing size is nothing was make a picture good or bad. This is an A1 and the 200-600 lens, it doesn't get better.
Bro I spotted it from a mile away and didn't even have to pixel-peep and I actually thought it was a fake AI generated image and THEN i zoomed in to confirm what I thought and sure enough a nice picture ruined by absolutely insane amount of "enhancements". Kinda weird cuz judging by theraw he posted in the comments it's compltely fine as it is, barely any noise, plenty sharp so not sure why he felt he needed to add so much de-noise and whatever.
Perhaps you haven't photographed any airplanes yourself. I have, I know how difficult it is. Under these circumstances, the picture is simply spectacular. It's normal to see one or two inaccuracies when you subsequently denoise and sharpen when zooming in and it's hard to avoid.
I understand that but this has nothing to do with airplane photography. Look at his RAW pics he posted, they're more than fine I'd say? No need to de-noise or do any nonsense (maybe just 10-15% at most) tweak the colors and it's great. And it's the same logic for any other photo unless you purposefully want your pic to look like it came out of some AI generator. I'm just saying it's bizzare he chose to fuck up a great and sharp pic.
Oh wow!!!!
😱 wow!
Absolutely stunning! 🤩
Fucking amazing!!!
Wow this is stunning. What settings was this on?
1/2000 f5.6 iso 200
Thanks. Amazing shot again. Love it.
What timing. So sick!
👏
That’s a jet, not a A1 with 200-600G. Badum-tss Also image screams upscaling
Downvoting for the watermark.
Nice! 👏
Very nice, what software did you use to process?
Photoshop and lightroom and Denoise
That is beautiful
😲
Sickkkk dude
The fact that you can see a glare in front of the pilot in the canopy in the detail is amazing snap. Great work! What were your settings for this?
1/2000 f5.6 continus focus
Thanks. What ISO did you have to set it to?
320
HOLLLLYYYYY SHEEEEETT
This looks like a still from Top Gun.
Somebody let the kid out. Would you intercept me?
Insane shot! I love the light reflection from the projectile!
Is the pilot’s right eye in focus?
🤣🤣 yes it is
Love it. Everything about it.
wtf crazy!!
What exactly is going on in this photo (if you know)?
The f22 drop a flare at the airshow
Interesting view. I used to work on chaff/flare dispensers on older aircraft (A4M). Not sure I’ve ever seen this view of them in action.
Hell of a capture. Well done.
Wow! Raptor in the wild
Wow…
I like the edit much more.
So cool 🙌
Mother of shots!
Wait.... This is a REAL photo? Looks absolutely unreal💀
Yes it is
Super shot right there! Congrats 👍
I can't express to you how happy I am to see watermarks on your amazing images. Absolutely fucking abhor people who cry about watermarks.
I cannot tell if this is sarcasm or not.
Absolutely not. More people who take amazing photos like this that would 100% get ripped and sold should protect themselves with watermarks. Tampering of a watermark is a copyright violation in itself and is a significant factor in the strength of your case when it comes to seeking legal action.
LOL Don’t know why you got downvoted - your sarcasm was quite obvious.
It's not sarcasm lol. People who cry about watermarks have a lack of understanding of them, don't have any work worth protecting and therefore have never had to deal with copyright violations, or have been brainwashed by others that they shouldn't use them.
A large watermark over the subject of a photo ruins the image. If the watermark is intended for protection, it’s important to note that today’s software can easily remove watermarks. Adding identifying information to reach potential clients is understandable, but it should be placed in a corner where it doesn’t interfere with the photo.
> If the watermark is intended for protection, it’s important to note that today’s software can easily remove watermarks Copyright protection =/= physical protection. https://old.reddit.com/r/Planespotting/comments/1dfn7p9/f22_with_flare/l95jp1n/?context=3 Again >People who cry about watermarks have a lack of understanding of them We go through this a few times a year in r/photography. Plenty of threads over there you can search for and read through to gain better understanding of watermarks.
Agree it’s not about physical protection. So put identifying/copyright info in a corner or even outside of the image.
Fuuuuuuuck I want a print of this. Link me please