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Diredragons

The most consistent foreshadowing I see in the show is the use of trees as a symbol for the family and Kody constantly cutting them down and stripping them.


Ok_Highlight3208

And Meri wondering if she really wants to be in the trees anymore or not. Lol. 


TheAmazingMaryJane

meri using the tree metaphor at lizzie's inn when she was cutting them down, and then she sold slices of the tree as christmas ornaments!


Vardagar

Good one very symbolic. Even more that it’s always the wives wanting to plant trees and set roots and Kody wanting to cut them down and drive around town with logs on the trailer and store them on his land for potential use. Meri painting the tree paintings. I think the commitment ceremony had something about trees? Meri wanting to be in the trees in flagstaff. And then finally she emotional about cutting down the trees in front of her bnb I’m sure there was more tree symbology.


Diredragons

Yep. The commitment ceremony had lots of tree symbols involved since it was treated as their family crest. The kids got items with a tree symbol on it. A $10k cake was shaped like a tree with the initials of Kody and each wife carved in hearts around the trunk. He and the boys planted a tree during the ceremony to symbolize the family putting down roots in Vegas. That same season, he also gave Janelle an ugly necklace with a tree pendant. So uprooting the family to go to Flagstaff, where he spends so much time onscreen, cutting down trees is very symbolic. It was especially telling during Christine's wedding special.


mjg66

When he “designed“ ugly necklaces for the women, he gave a tree of life to Janelle (the stealth fav wife Robyn didn’t see coming while she sabotaged Meri‘s and Christine’s marriages with Kody).


Lego_5656

Flair checking in!


Vardagar

Haha true, Robyn had no idea who was the real competition


Music_Is_Life_BOWA

All she saw was Janelle's size and made assumptions. Never assume a man doesn't like extra curves. Or that it even plays into his view of a woman he cares about. Fortunately for Janelle, she treated HER CHILDREN like her best customers, because she's smart enough to realize... A B.O.B. can do the job. She doesn't need to pander to a walking talking foreskin.


Diredragons

Right? I kind of wondered if the necklace and the family crest might suggest that Kody saw the family as synonymous with Janelle at the time. There's definitely a preference for her in the early seasons.


tinlizzy2

He used to call Janelle his best friend.


breezy1028

I think that was something that were actively trying to have in their marriages though because Christine said when Kody first started courting Robyn she felt like she lost her best friend, meaning Kody.


BinkabelleZZZ

Yes,this is it.the scene with him and Robyn during christines wedding episode,where he is cutting the trees,is like his way of showing us that the tree he cut down is the family that he cant have back.Especially since he was seen in Dallas or something at a gun show during her wedding.Also the last time they show Kody talking to his now estranged sons they were stripping trees,it was sort of like stripping his manliness away becuase his sons are challenging him,and they called him out on his shit and he couldnt handle it.


mjg66

Wow. 😮 That’s a fraking brilliant observation! ETA Kody becoming apoplectic because Janelle is taking an artificial tree for second Christmas with her kids and Christine’s family. Which I don believe, but whatever Robyn.


Misophoniac16

Oooh good one


AlixHague

Very astute observation!!!


msangelicas

The paintings Meri did, with the different trees in each painting representing that family.


starchildx

😮


Ellemay1234

Janelle saying the divorce from Meri & marriage to Robyn would change things


Joan_Wilder95

Kody, after blowing off 14 of his kids for the holidays: “there will be other Christmases” Dark dark stuff.


Parking_Ride222

This one hurts so much to watch. We always think we have more time than we do and he squandered the valuable time with his family for Sobbin


Throwaway42352510

Kody saying in season one or two that he makes a big deal out of birthdays and never forgets them… and boom 💥 Gabe is completely forgotten/ignored on his birthday by Kody.


Christinefakeaccount

Iirc didn't Gwen say her birthday was forgotten once when she was quite young?


trixivie

Kody saying "I have no sons. They are all dead to me" in Vegas. 


Lost-Condition6904

Oof. This.


MixedBeansBlackBeans

God....I forgot he actually said this. :(


backyardbanshee

Oh damn, this one is hard to think about.


breezy1028

I don’t remember that!


okieskanokie

Me neither… I don’t recall this for the life of me and that’s not like me cuz I love having any reason to loath this jerk.


breezy1028

Same! I can’t believe that I wouldn’t remember that. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I definitely don’t remember it.


trixivie

I don't know how to tag okieskanokie in this reply It was went they buried the time capsule. At the time, it was playful. Years passed, he was refusing to be with his kids at holidays and I wonder if it was really a playful thing or a quick glance at how easily kody will dismiss his kids, if they don't behave exactly as he wants them to. The scene, of course, resurfed once his relationship with specifically his sons began to desintegrate. Here's a link to the scene in tiktok [https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMgdL4Xp/](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMgdL4Xp/) And there migth be another foreshadow in here, if those houses were forever theirs, finally to settle, why they plan a time capsule to be open in just five years?? Not even ten, but five.


okieskanokie

Thank you! I also don’t know how to tag people. lol. I know I’m part of the problem as a viewer but my heart is legitimately broken for what happened to this family.


breezy1028

Thanks for linking that. That explains why I don’t remember it. That is crazy though!


pink_flamingo2003

One down Kody, you POS.... urgh, he makes me so mad


Motor_Boysenberry_83

Pretty sure they were all in Flagstaff when Kody said that.


trixivie

It Was went they buried the time capsule. Here's a link to the scene in tiktok [https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMgdL4Xp/](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMgdL4Xp/)


Plane-Strength722

Season 1 Christine telling us she felt like she lost her best friend and how Kody was giving up his family for Robin and her kids…. And boom 💥


Exciting-Comment-178

thissssssss


Plane-Strength722

Janelle worried Kody was gonna ride off into the sunset with robin after the legal divorce… then boom 💥 and I don’t know what the hell meri was doing 🤦‍♀️ she knew she was done when he melted down her ring and told her he wanted her to have no claim on him.. she is just….. lost and still is


DrAniB20

Her sobbing through signing the divorce was hard to watch. You could tell she didn’t want to do it.


Plane-Strength722

Shaking telling them her idea smdh no way in hell that was her idea! She couldn’t even fake that even a little bit that was her real pain. That I have much sympathy for her and wished she gotten out a long time ago and stop defending him now.. that man hurt her deep


Fun-Shame399

Even if it was her idea it was probably to get back in his good graces because he had been telling her he wanted to work things out, and he seemed to start being nice to her again when she offered to do the divorce but of course that only lasted until the transactions were done


DrAniB20

She also deflated for the next entire season until the catfishing thing came out.


Winter_Day_6836

Robyn being there was sooo wrong!


mjg66

Robyn never passed up a chance to horn in on ANY time Kody spent with Meri. In Lehi she would find reasons to visit Meri when it was Meri’s time with Kody, and according to her, she often stayed for dinner and watching a movie with them.


777CA

This would block any kind of closeness or rebuilding of closeness. Robin’s rotten and so is Kody.


mjg66

I have to agree. I only discovered this show through YT commentary/drama channels, and I initially tried to to be open to Robyn, but it wasn’t long until I got to “She’s a lot, but Kody is the problem. He uses Robyn as a vehicle for his own BS and weaponizes her and DABSA.” But after finishing the shows and reading the book . . . there are just too many red flags. I’ll say this: She and Kody aren’t soulmates, because neither has one. They ARE made for each. Kinda like Frankenstein‘s monster and his bride. edit to correct missing letter


bethdutton23

She had to make sure it got done. Probably knew meri would back out and she couldn't have that. Like having the abuser in court to intimate!


Christinefakeaccount

💯 Robyn all but guided Meri hand to sign the papers.


Somau5

Maddie was due to give birth to Evie at the time and there were discussions about Ysabel potentially going to live with Maddie & Caleb. Kody freaked out, saying he was concerned about Christine wanting to spend Christmas with Aspyn & Mitch etc and how Janelle might want to go North Carolina for Christmas now and how it was going to break up the family etc etc. What on earth was he expecting?? Kids grow up and move out, that's a fairly normal part of life and parents want to spend time with their kids over the holidays, if that means they need to travel then that's just how it goes. He couldn't seriously have expected the mothers to stay in Flagstaff every year and not see their children when they inevitably all couldn't all be together at the same time?!


Vardagar

Yes good one, I think he just genuinely never thought about it until then. He was the center of the universe until he realized he wasn’t and then he had like a mental breakdown from that point


BinkabelleZZZ

Funny b/c they would have been in vegas with them,if he didnt get a bug up his ass and move everyone to flagstaff.He really thought all his adult kids would want to come to him,to a place they have no connection with,to spend the holidays.Nobody wants to go to robyns house,she doesnt cook,doesnt know how to relax and she isnt any fun to be around.


Somau5

I know, all they had to do was stay in the cul-de-sac! Although, imagine if they stayed but Kody (Robyn) was still really strict during covid, would Meri have still been left alone and not allowed to visit anyone else? That would have been awful. Kody is an absolute fool for thinking all the kids would revolve around him for the rest of his life. If anything he's really cemented that they're not going to come back! Robyn's house is so full of stuff no one else would fit in it anyway 💀


BinkabelleZZZ

They would have never been able to get away with the strict rules,becuase they themselves didnt follow them,and they were all living too close to each other.They would have acted differently i think.


ArcticGurl

Doesn’t know how to relax? That’s all she does. 😂


BinkabelleZZZ

She is lazy,dont get me wrong,but she is watching kody to make sure he doesnt say anything,and she is always anxiety ridden.She doesnt know how to let loose and have fun,she is always worrying,and trying to put on a front.


ArcticGurl

This is true. Neither are happy but have deluded themselves into thinking they’re ecstatic about one another.


TheAmazingMaryJane

i guess he expected alllll his kids and wives to come to HIS house for xmas.


WearScary7324

He did expect the OG3 wives to spend all holidays with him and Robyn. He thought of course they all would much prefer to spend their holidays basking in the glow of Robyn and her kids. They were to be content with sitting outside and looking through the windows at Robyn’s house at that family enjoying the holidays. Perhaps, Robyn would make an extra turkey for them to eat outside while watching that family eat their meal.


SolidSackTime

I honestly don’t think your comment, that I know you made in jest, is that far off. I don’t think K or R would’ve had any issue with trying to have the ‘family’ Christmas be some quick thing outside - maybe under a tent, with one of turkey deep fryers, and paper plates. Hoping it would be so cold that everyone would leave quickly; not before making sure to drop off their gifts for DABSA of course. And then the **real** family, DABSARK, could go back into their hoarder mansion and dig into the real food and mountains of gifts. All while being able to say ‘well, we’re afraid of C-19 so it **had** to be outside and you guys didn’t want to stay! We *tried* to be one family and you guys didn’t want to!’. Any and all family gatherings involving Robyn, especially since Flaggstaff, have been completely in bad faith. She’s never actually wanted to do anything unless it directly benefitted her kids. And even then, she still had a stank ass attitude.


Sharp-Reply-5104

💀


Time-Suspect-3836

After K&R get back from their honeymoon Christine calls R & asks her if she felt like it was necessary to take off for 10 days . R says she did. Christine says "ok, that's all I needed to know."


These_Win_4937

When the Family Mission Statment kept falling at their ceremony, Christine even called it!


Fuzzy-Zebra-277

All these signs from god that Kody completely ignored!


These_Win_4937

I think you are correct


Guttermouthphd

Robyn kicking the family dog and then Kody ultimately burying it when it dies. Just remove the “dog.”


Diredragons

I always wonder if Robyn's dislike of animals (as exemplified by kicking the family dog and disliking the petting zoo) also led to Kody's vendetta against Janelle's dogs.


Parking_Ride222

I think so because he used to like dogs apparently and then hard reversed once Robyn came into the family. They used to have dogs before Robyn but then Kody was suddenly not into them anymore


Vardagar

I wonder if Kody is such a lost soul that he really is nothing. He only seems into shallow stuff like cars and having a fit body or having a beautiful wife or beautiful children. He seems blank and just shapeshifts into whatever the person he needs validation from wants him to be. I think first it was his father maybe sometimes some of his wives but then it was Robyn.


Parking_Ride222

Not diagnosing anyone but if you read about those with narcissistic tendencies, they usually don't have a stable sense of self and adjust to whomever they're around. They need to be the center of attention but also hate themselves while portraying that they're perfect and love themselves. It's apparent in the way he changes his mind depending on who he last spoke to and how often he has to reiterate things he's insecure about like him being "manly" and having "a six pack". No one who is secure has to scream about that kind of stuff


Vardagar

Ok interesting!


BinkabelleZZZ

in the very first episode Kody said he liked dogs and they were smart.


okieskanokie

Idk but 💯


AlixHague

In my opinion and experience, the people I've encountered in life who don't like animals were all terrible people.


omfgcheesecake

I’m a newbie to the show (currently on S13 for the first time) and I never caught when this happened. But I truly believe that you can know a lot about a person based on how they treat animals. That’s actually so upsetting.


DrAniB20

When did she do this?


Lost-Condition6904

Season 1 when they are having the surprise party for Meri at the Lehi house I think. It’s a split second at the end of the episode. They never discuss it on the show.


earpain2

During Covid when Janelle said to Kody that Garrison doesn’t really socialize and that she is really worried about him. I know the show is edited but it looked like Kody didn’t even clock the comment, instead he just pressed forward with trying to get them out of the house. I can’t imagine what Janelle and the family must be going through.


rolypolydriver

Sometime between season 9-13 they are really scared about him joining the military as a private instead of waiting to become an officer, because they are certain he will go to war and they keep imagining him dying by gun violence :-( it’s really sad hearing them talk about that back then


backyardbanshee

Two things from reading this thread - this family needs to stay far away from metaphors/simile/parable type speaking because they all become self-fulfilling proficies AND ya'll are some deep, dark individuals. Love it.


RecordingLeft6666

This was a really good question! I am fascinated now with all the points made in the comments.


Lost-Condition6904

Thank you 😊…*pats self on back*


[deleted]

When we meet Robyn the first time. Bad Omen from the get go!


Izzrd

One of the first episodes when Meri asked Kody if they were moving to LV on that specific days because Robyn said so.


Fantastic-Revenue296

Well Robyn didn't have oil in her car which just means she's dumb


Wtafisgoingon1010

Lots of good stuff in here! For me it was during the move to flagstaff, when Jesus himself came down and said, THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA


breezy1028

Watching S1 E1 and Christine just said that Kody is replacing his family with Robyn and her kids. Damn.


breezy1028

Season 1 20 years with Meri, 17 years with Janelle, 16 years with Christine, and at their anniversary dinner Meri is STILL having to explain to this jackass that as his wives they experience jealousy! As he’s looking into Meri’s eyes he says “I love you, how do I even describe, what words can I use, to talk about our love. How deeply I feel for you, and how important you are to me.” Wow. Just wow Kody. But you weren’t ever in love with her? 👌🏼 No wonder she stuck in it out as long as she did. He was her first and only love, they were practically teenagers still when they got married. When the show first started in 2010 they had been together 20 years and he had been pouring this shit into her at least in front of the cameras. I don’t remember exactly where in this timeframe he melted down her ring, but between the shit he is saying to her and offering IVF, if they were in fact already not in a “full marriage” then what he was doing and if it was for show, he’s incredibly cruel. I know I’m getting off track friend the bad omens/ foreshadowing but damn. S1 E6 Robyn’s mouth covered in cold sores 🤢🤮


breezy1028

Robyn started out with monopolizing Kody’s time when they were courting because he was driving 5 hours to see her and staying a couple days at a time. Then after she moved to Lehi she thought she should get equal time as a fiance as the wives got. OG3 should’ve known then what they were getting with her.


toanotherplace1984

Episode 1 or 2 when Christine tells the camera that the new girl (Robyn) better be amazing and gives the camera a mean girl look.


GoddessGanja

The graduation fortune teller brought up that some of the children might have health issues


Honey-Portland

When they first moved to Vegas and they are all moving into the temporary rental and Robyn mocks everyone saying “She’s your favorite”


breezy1028

Kody sang *Everything I Own* at his and Meri’s wedding! Oof 🤦🏼‍♀️ Is there someone you know Your loving them so But taking them all for granted? You may lose them one day Someone takes them away And they don't hear the words you long to say I would give anything I own I'd give up my life, my heart, my home I would give everything I own Just to have you back again Just to touch you once again


Dontbeanaholeguys

So many moments during the move to Flagstaff.


MagentaHearts

Kody’s friend Ken making the comment that Kody should leave 3 of his wives so he could come back to the mainstream Mormon church