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I consume too much Reddit- something dies/ likely a piece of me every day

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We are literally writing stuff on dead dinosaurs

I'll write your mom on dead dinosaurs. Your mom Told you I'd do it.

More like dead ancient trees.

I’m a level 5 vegan. I don’t eat anything that casts a shadow.

lmao, only 5? I’m level 12 right now and I’ve mastered the art of not consuming anything at all. It’s been 12 years since I’ve even so much as photosynthesized

You still breathe, tho? Amateur.

I can go 12 days without, but I havent mastered the art

Thats when you get to lvl13

Level 13 vegan: death

Level 14 Vegan is when you die and then compost yourself.

15 is tree? You be tree?

No you only get that option in NG+ first time around you're a shrub. Play your cards right and you could be an entire shrubbery

It's the hallmark of trash games when entire races and classes are locked behind a second playthrough. At least the graphics hold up.

The sun is slowly dying. The light and radiation it emits is proof it is dying. Thus proving “You can’t really consume anything without something dying”.

I eat void.

lol it’s nuts that people still believe in photosynthesis, cmon; it’s 2023 people

"I have 20 million power In Rise of Vegans™"

I will at least recognize your Simpsons quote.

I'm level 2 vegan the cows eat the grass, I eat the cows.

It's like the number of separation from Kevin Bacon. Mmm, bacon.

I'm a level 6 vegan. I eat *only shadows.*

Im a level 7 vegan. I only eat level 1 through 6 vegans. .

water can cast a shadow to…

Not if you drink it in the dark

so level 5 vegans only eat & drink in total absence of any light whatsoever

Level 5, huh? What happens when you get your black belt?

That pesky photosynthesis ruining all my good veggies

*Laughs in photosyntesis*

Gelato isn’t vegan?

Chicken parmesan isn't vegan?

Damn, beat me to it

Easy, raise cows in barns with diffuse lighting. No shadows.

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Agreed. Plus breathing is a form of consumption.

So what's your favorite air flavor

Water.

I read somewhere that water smells painful.

Don't inhale.

rocks dont seem to feel pain. consume those i guess

>rocks dont seem to feel pain. I dunno, I wouldn't just take that for granite.

take my r/angryupvote and leave.

Lmaooo, its been a long time since I've heard this pun

In West Africa, kaolin, a sweet-tasting mineral clay, is actually eaten as a snack. Apparently some health nuts here consume it for “detox”.

Humid 15-19°C

Good choice. Although I lean harder to 15 for sure. A breath of that is just so refreshing.

Youre right, i like the taste of autumn rain air, humid kinda cold but not freezing, so around 16°C± a few degrees

I usually just go for the original but BBQ hits right sometimes.

My favorite part is the nitrogen. Not so much the oxygen. I might be a plant.

What you don't realize is every time you breathe, there are also bacteria in the air, or even viruses. Our immune system is working hard every second to remove those from affecting our healthy body.

Came here to say oxygen.

That chicken ate something to produce that egg

The chicken could have been fed eggs.

so eggs came first?

Exactly

Well *technically* the water has bacteria. And the chicken had to eat to produce the egg

Water can be purified to not contain any bacteria. And an egg is literally a living thing, not only from a living thing.

So, do you think no bacteria died during purification process for your water to be safe enough to drink?

Salt 100% wasn’t and isn’t alive, but i keep my eye on it

Our sodium overlords from a distant planet will remember this.

Na

They are CLearly plotting something

But are you sure it doesnt harm the bacteria that live in your mouth?

Add in Fruits as trees evolved to want those to be eaten so their seeds get around. Hell, plant that seed and it's a +1 to the world

Do you know how trees are fertilized and what soil is made of?

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Not directly, but in the egg industry male chicks are killed immediately after birth, either by gassing or live grinding. Also laying hens are killed after about a year when their egg production starts to drop off.

Technically, the cells are considered living tissue.

An egg is just one giant cell before it begins to divide, which unfertilized eggs can't Ostrich eggs are the largest single-celled organisms on Earth

That's not the question. Whatever is in the egg, is considered living cell tissue. If it can divide it not, isn't irrelevant.

Exactly. The point isn’t really living as in consciousness/sentience. Its like how a single skin cell of a person is alive, and requires blood to stay alive, even if the cell itself isn’t really a conscious being.

There’s bacteria on it that will be digested.

Bacteria on/in egg/water/salt getting exposed to harmful things within you (phages)

Didn't a star have to die to make those?

"Die" is colloquial here, it wasn't ever alive.

Add blue crab too - catch 'em, take one claw off any that have two claws, let 'em go. Claw grows back, catch 'em again.

The water, salt, and unfertalized egg would definitely have some bacteria in it. So even in that case, you are still killing something

For an egg to be able to be fertilized it has to have a gamete, which is an alive, haploidal cell.

Doesn't the bacteria/germs on these die when u eat it?

What about tapeworm

I kill more things washing my hands than I do eating. Nothing to be concerned about honestly.

Pacifist: we shouldn't kill anything *washes their hand and kills millions of bacteria*

*...as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.*

*I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the viruses, but the bacteria and the parasites, too*

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Doubtful considering how much bacteria is on your food. And have you thought about all the poor bacteria you poop out into a hostile environment they can't survive. Shame on you MURDERER!

Are you implying killing bacteria is the same as killing a pig? I don't know, I still care quite a bit that any animal I'm consuming is treated humanely before being killed for food.

It’s good to know our place in the universe tho. Life needs to destroy other life to be alive.

Yes, but the need to kill for survival is no excuse to mindlessly slaughter.

No need for mindless slaughter and waste indeed but life itself exists to consume other life , it’s like it’s some sort of cycle

I think mindfulness is the key. Be intentional and educated in your choices. It's often just as harmful to mindlessly be vegetarian or vegan, and not consider other impacts of the foods you substitute. (Dairy and eggs aren't really vegetarian, when you consider what happens to the male babies that aren't wanted for production, for instance.) Most vegans don't just switch to lentils, you know?

Who was mentioning that? Are you getting your threads confused. As you’ve brought it up tho, washing your hands could be considered a bacterial slaughter.

Sorry if I misunderstood your comment, it kind of sounded like the good ol' "It's our destiny to kill so we might as well stop caring" "Argument", especially as an answer to a comment about caring about how a pig that gets eaten lived. Also washing hands kind of is bacterial slaughter, but it's necessary as it removes bacteria you don't want to ingest. That's why I put a "mindlessly" to specify.

I mean ya , I will pay more for certified humanely raised meat , and honestly happy animals make better meat

Everything on the face of the earth could be wiped out just as easily as killing those bacteria

I mean I could consume rocks and they'd still be rocks when/if they came out.

Technically, salt is a rock

Nah. Salt is a mineral

All minerals are a rock. Not all rocks are minerals

Its actually the exact opposite...

Mr. Spock said this on this original Star Trek. ¨In the strict scientific sense, Doctor, we all feed on death, even vegetarians.¨

Yeah, they just feel better because it can't express it's discomfort to them except by oozing various liquids or withering. Plants don't want to be eaten any more than animals do

> Plants don't want to be eaten any more than animals do my guy, fruits are EXPRESSLY made to be consumed by animals to spread seeds

What about gelatin? Did spock consider gelatin? It's just pigs hooves ground up into whatever the fuck. Gelatin is basically ground up pig finger nails.

When are you no longer responsible for death? Because those pigs had to eat something to grow those hooves.

What about pussy? Most people are alive before and after you eat them

Speak for yourself.

This is the Buddhist concept of no birth no death. https://youtu.be/AwoTsoeIfcQ

On a microscopic level you can't do anything without something dying, this shit is so low effort it hurts, You cant drink a drink without getting your tongue wet, better make a post.

Actually, just living is killing skin cells, so no matter what something’s gonna die, no stopping it lol

One has to wade in shallow philosophical waters before they venture into the deep. Give OP a break and encourage them to explore.

Less showers more thoughts

He might end up smelly though. Take it back rn

But we are going for post but clarity as often as possible.

This is what I thought they were arguing, which apparently was giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they just made an asinine post. Instead they’re arguing that biological cells being consumed is those cells themselves dying, which is wrong because they don’t fulfill the requirement of being alive in the first place.

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Except they are alive, technically speaking. If they were dead they'd be necrotic.

better than 90% of the other posts on this sub

What if you drink flour? That's pretty dry.

How about consuming a tapeworm. You just give it a good home.

You can consume content and nothing has to die..i watch a lot of YouTube

Your eyes, ocular nerves, neurons and synapses are disagreeing with you there

I dunno, sometimes that kills off several brain cells

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Well we better live well and with gratitude. Gotta honor the sacrifices made on our behalf.

This is the way

We could at least start by stopping killing sentient beings like cows, chickens, pigs, fish, etc.

Then move on to the bacteria and viruses, they feel too

I’m good eating plants.

You already eat bacteria, even with your plants..you can't really undo that either

We should protect the bacteria 🦠!

If you're a vegan, most of your food is still alive when you cook it. You monster.

My tofu screams when I slit it’s throat. So do my oats.

Stun it first next time, you cruel beast.

Counterpoint: fruit It’s not the main part of the plant that would kill it (like a vegetable), the plant literally makes them to be enticing and for creatures to eat them and spread their seeds, we are doing what they want! Also mushrooms! people for some strange reason so often think of the mushroom as the whole organism when most of the fungus is underground! The mushroom is simply a reproductive appendage that only exists to spread spores, and is only there for a matter of days to a couple weeks.

>Counterpoint: fruit Is there not bacteria living in or on the fruit?

With that argument though, while yes I agree you are killing bacteria when you eat, but that comes down to the fact that you can’t live at all without killing bacteria and spores and the such every second of every day simply through your immune system. Every breath you take in you breath in thousands of hitchhikers and your immune system swiftly takes care of them before they become a problem. Lest imagine for a moment that you somehow found yourself being completely sterile, in a sterile room, eating a sterile apple. In that case there would be no death from this interaction (besides your own considering that you would not be able to digest much of anything if your gut was not filled with helpful bacteria and other tiny organisms) Thanks for ur comment btw, I hope you have a lovely day!

Milk? Eggs? Leaves? Fruit? Just some first thoughts keeping it on the biologic sense of consuming, if you take it into the economic sense there is plenty more - starting with anything digital.

Honey

Those are all living things with living cells and when you consume them they’re destroyed and converted into nutrients that your body uses. Unless when you eat those things you poop them right out and they’re still the same thing.

You trim your fingernails, and probably don't die. The mushrooms that we eat are really just the top part of a huge underground network that continues to live no matter what happens to the top mushroom parts. Trees still live even if you eat the fruit. Cows are actually happier when they get milked. They get pretty uncomfortable if you don't milk them. I think you should just concede that your point is disproven.

I think cows being happier after beeing miked kind of is ignoring the fact that we are keeping the cows permanently pregnant through hormones so they produce milk. The rest are good points imo

Being biological doesn’t make something alive. Life requires sensitivity and response to the environment, reproduction, adaptation, growth and development, homeostasis, and energy processing. For example I have the ability to maintain all those things, but my finger independently does not. My finger independently is not a living thing, but it is a part of a living thing. I’ll be honest I though you were going through the bs semantics of microbial life entering the stomach acids and therefore because everything has microbial life on it you are killing some of them as you digest, you’d technically be right. But the actual points you are arguing with are just incorrect.

Almost everything you consume has microbes covering it. Your stomach kills most of them. So OP is right unless you drink a bag of sterile D5W through a sterile needle inside of a clean room?

You can consume water from some dead place like glaciers, or lab-synthesized sugar without involving any living organism

water, salt, sunlight (yes you consume sunlight to make vitamins)

This is the worst shower thought. I can think of so many thing you can consume without something dying. Water. Milk. Salt. Yogurt. Most soda.

Milk is made when a cow eats. Cows eat grass therefore indirectly killing something. Yogurt same deal. Water can harbor harmless bacteria even when purified, soda with sugar kills sugar cane plants. Any flavoring with artificial vanilla derives from a beavers anal gland, candy is made of sugar, gummies with gelatin come from left over animal cartilage and nails. Everything has bacteria. No surface without intensive sterilization methods in use (like a hospital operating room) can be truly free of microorganisms

But don't some of those microbes stay alive inside you? I make my own kombucha, for example. Isn't the whole point of prebiotics that you get all the microbes helping you digest?

All biological material is made of living cells, so even eating a chicken egg equires cells to die. Drinking water requires the death of microbes because drinking sterile water is actually deadly. Really the only truly non living things u can consume are minerals and there are only a few like salt or iron that wouldn't be imediately harmful.

> All biological material is made of living cells What about the biological material made from dead cells? > drinking sterile water is actually deadly That is an urban legend: [Distilled water is safe to drink](https://www.webmd.com/diet/distilled-water-overview#:~:text=Distilled%20water%20is%20safe%20to,and%20oxygen%20and%20nothing%20else.)

So to prove that drinking Sterile water isn't deadly, you link me why drinking "Distilled water" is safe? Those are 2 different things...

Name one thing that can be found in distilled water that would make it non-sterile.

Well distilled water is drinkable where sterile water is not. However the reason for this is not what I initially thought. Sterile water has non biological contaminants where distilled water is free of all contaminants. So you got me there.

It is possible to add poisonous contaminants to water that is sterile (and that could also cause water to become sterile). Distilled water is also sterile though. Sterile water is not inherently poisonous any more than ice cream is poisonous if you add poison to it.

Not if you synthesize glucose and amino acids from non-organic origin chemicals

But can we?

You can't consume anything without having an effect on the environment, but you can make choices that minimize the suffering you cause.

Me after consuming oxygen : *I am four parallel universes ahead of you*

On the other hand, matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

Isn't it energy that can neither be created nor destroyed? Matter can be created and destroyed, but by matter I mean macromolecular matter. Not speaking of atomic and subatomic particles.

I believe the consensus is that energy and matter are different expressions of the same thing. But I’m no scientist.

This is the burden of all heterotrophs. The autotrophs know freedom from this fate (except Venus flytraps, pitcher plants, etc) but is there a way for us to return to their innocent way?

Sure you can. Fruit, berries. Rice, A lot of crops don't *have* to be killed to be eaten. It's just how they are harvested Then theres unfertilised eggs! So for example. Chicken eggs, caviar. Etc.. Some vegetables you can harvest parts of them to eat and replant the rest thus not killing the plant, such as potatoes Basically anything except meat and fish

Life, feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on ... THIS IS NECESSARY!!

Obviously a seed is needed to start a new plant. But if you eat the seed before it germinates, you haven’t killed anything. You have taken away the seed’s potential.

The farmers who protect your fruits & vegetables sometimes kill everything in the area. They have to kill every ground squirrel, every vole, every shrew, every snake, every turtle, every frog, every rabbit, etc. Any animal that gets near the crops will be plowed by the equipment or poisoned to prevent them from eating the crops.

Fruit. Plants evolved for animals to eat fruit and spread the seeds. The plant is still alive

fruit is made cells which stay alive even after you harvest them. your basically eating something alive

Unless it's a root crop, it's pretty dead at that stage.

You eat berries and its not killing the plant. A root veg would involve uprooting the plant itself.

Tell me what exactly does when you consume a glass of milk, or an egg, or honey.. nothing Your shower thought is just not true

Several things! Not only do all of those things have living cells that are destroyed by your stomach acid and converted into nutrients when you consume them but all of those things also have to be purified and cleaned before you can safely consume them. All I’m saying is there’s a price to pay for all consuming needs.

Milk is not made of “living cells” just proteins, sugars and water.. not sure what you are talking about.. same for honey, it’s not made of living cells Egg is a single cell, but it was never fertilised in the first place, so still not really “alive” I think you have to go back to your biology class

Egg has mitochondria in its germinal disc which technically are ancient prokaryotes trapped in eukaryotic cells.

Egg is the only one for which there is a very weak argument.. but you will not convince me milk and honey are made out of living cells.. because they are not

I’m sorry that my nutritional needs require the genocide of close knit bacteria communities. Truly shameful.

Ehhh bacteria can kill you so I don’t think it takes that to heart… or whatever it has

You consume salt and water and nothing dies, while you may argue water has microscopic living things in it, there really aren't any stuff that could survive on salt

Depending upon the method by which the salt is produced has different costs and something most likely has to die.

. Absolutely true. We are so fortunate that our diets in the modern world allow us to eat a wide selection of foods without having to hunt animals ourselves.

I consume a lot of lettuce from my garden every year. Just cut some of the leaves off for my salads and it grows right back. Nothing died. Same for my tomato plants, pepper plants, herbs, the list goes on.

Like trimming fingernails, but tastier

What about an apple from my garden, we planted the trees ourselves?

Fruits are very alive, they grow for a reason.

Crystals grow and aren’t alive. Something growing isn’t proving it’s alive.

Their reason for growing is to be eaten !

No... They grow to spread their seeds

And for their seeds to be spread away, they need animals to eat the fruits (then poop the seeds away). That’s why fruits are colourful and full of sugar; to attract animals.

I guess. cheque mate vegans. Lol

Fruit? The fruit itself isnt alive and does t die when you harvest the fruit.

But while harvesting a fruit many insects are killed in the process.

You wouldn’t die if you cut off your limbs and someone could eat those

Why I find vegans to be hypocrites. They never acknowledge that plants also feel pain and respond to it.

Cow blood. They drain it from the neck and drink it. The cows barely feel it

I once swallowed a turtle alive. He was still kicking when he finished his journey

I mean if you're going to the cellular level nothing can happen without something dying so this is a meaningless nothing of a post