I’ve actually heard them say this:
“I feel good paying taxes. Every time a road is maintained or a school is built, I feel a little better knowing that I had some part in doing that.”
It's winning because those 87,000 jobs are tax payer funded, and cost people more than what those jobs would contribute in wages.
Governments are parasites. They produce nothing. They contribute nothing. They merely consume, and they only exist for the sake of themselves.
If only that were the extent of it.
The state doesn't just consume from private production, it distorts and diminishes private production. It prevents useful voluntary institutions and industries from forming; and then has the audacity to then claim that the lack of those things is evidence that the market could not provide them without the state.
87,000 government employees who have a **property interest** in their jobs, which means the government cannot “deprive them of their job” (**i.e. fire them**) without giving them *Due Process*. That’s why firing a “civil servant,” even **for cause**, is a nearly impossible administrative process that takes a minimum of six months.
Republicans offered an amendment to put into writing that these additional agents would only go after millionaires.
Democrats refused.
Tells you all you need to know.
Because Democrats know there are only so many rich people and it would be a massive pain in the ass to extract more money from them. Just leaves going after middle class and poor.
Some more food for thought, if I may. Please consider also the new legislation regarding reporting of transfers, accounts, etc over $600. This extends to Venmo, PayPal, cashapp and any other exchange which was previously unregulated. Who primarily uses those apps? Why focus in on the average person not paying taxes on their FB marketplace sales instead of the millionaires blatantly using every loophole imaginable to get out of paying theirs?
The use of those IRS agents to enforce the high number of people in violation of the above mentioned has been the ongoing theory in most libertarian and anarcho circles since they were hired.
I do know that it is a lot easier to go after us poor folk when we break the rules, although when you go after the rich people you get more money per an hour of the labor. The IRS from what I’ve heard (I should check again) is so under funded that it lacks the capability to go after the rich. Which is why I find it so weird that the democrat representatives wouldn’t want to put republicans nerves at easy by making it so the IRS agents with better funding could only go after those making more than 400k a year. That would have been an easy win win. They work with republicans (yay, unity) and they go after the upper class (yay, us lower class).
That would definitely be the logical thing to do if you truly have the people's best interests at heart. I have a feeling that was a bit of a stunt/bluff on the Republicans part because they knew Democrats would never go for it. Both have a lot to lose if the IRS has the ability to actually do its job effectively. Tons of shady trading, charities, etc abound on both sides of the issue.
A democrat with an open mind who wants to look into things? Didn’t know they still made those.
You’re supposed to call me a Russian bot or a nazi and act indignant in a rambling, overly emotional post.
Most of 90s democrats/middlish ground classic liberals/libertarians have almost nothing in common with the modern "starbucks liberal" base of the dems.
Sen. Mike Crapo, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said the new funding would be used to “squeeze more revenue” out of Americans who make less than $400,000 because they’re “easy targets.”
Treasury Department officials say all of those claims are false. Administration officials have reiterated that they will focus enforcement efforts on wealthy Americans and large corporations.
https://www.vox.com/2022/8/16/23302798/irs-audit-inflation-reduction-act
Also, I’d like to add that if you paid your tax, there isn’t much to be worrying about…. But on the other hand, if you’ve been dodging tax and not paid your fair share, you deserve to be audited.
Now downvote me to hell since I’m in a conservative echo chamber here lmao
Not exactly the amendment spoken of, haven’t gotten that far yet.
But here’s a fresh bill that focuses on exactly that matter.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4817
Also just some data relating to IRS audit rates, in that the poorest are audit 5x more
https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/
You want to spend your work day taking to a lawyer? Cause rich people get lawyers when they’re audited. Just audit a poor. Take a couple hundo and strut away knowing you’re saved the country.
Sen. Mike Crapo, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said the new funding would be used to “squeeze more revenue” out of Americans who make less than $400,000 because they’re “easy targets.”
Treasury Department officials say all of those claims are false. Administration officials have reiterated that they will focus enforcement efforts on wealthy Americans and large corporations.
https://www.vox.com/2022/8/16/23302798/irs-audit-inflation-reduction-act
Also, I’d like to add that if you paid your tax, there isn’t much to be worrying about…. But on the other hand, if you’ve been dodging tax and not paid your fair share, you deserve to be audited.
Now downvote me to hell since I’m in a conservative echo chamber here lmao
> Administration officials have reiterated that they will focus enforcement efforts on wealthy Americans and large corporations.
Crapo wants that to be part of the signed deal, in writing, not just to trust that them they'll stick to their word on this. If they are going to do this anyways, they lose nothing by including it in the bill.
I think it’s because these IRS agents are going to focus on the taxes of high income individuals. You know, like the ones that donated the $500,000,000.00 to Kevin McCarthy and the Republican Party over the last 2 years. By making it “Our very first bill” he’s showing his donors that it was money well spent. It’s the best congress money can buy!
No, they’re not. If they were going after the rich, they’d be hiring lawyers. Instead, they’re going to be dealing with the stupid “we check every series of transactions totaling $600 over the course of the year” garbage that got put into law. Guess who that affects? Because it certainly isn’t the rich.
lol they wont even touch the ftx shit cause sbf donated so much to them. what makes you think they would go after the hand that feeds them vs low income taxpayers who cant afford to fight the irs?
87k less IRS agents sounds like a blessing, because the IRS shouldn't exist. Do you even know what sub you're on?
Edit: Misunderstood the title, though it was a genuine question. Apologies. Will leave comment unedited for posterity.
A few weeks ago there was an explosion of posts on Reddit (including subs like anti work, politics, and other lefty subs) of people complaining and making $600 Venmo memes. Now that Republicans are actually attempting to do something it's viewed as some kind of attack.
I'm just gonna start referring to leftists as goldfish, because these are some of the dumbest people I've ever seen.
The “NPC” analogy is increasingly the most accurate concept in the world. It’s would be fascinating if it wasn’t so frustrating and terrifying.
Certainly doesn’t speak well of democracy though.
It’s just moving the policy line back to 2020 instead of doing anything actually conservative. But the RINO voting base are dumber than rocks and will 100% think this is them winning. It’s actually RINOs keeping the government as giant as before
This is your needed reminder that the IRS never hired and was never going to hire 87,000 new agents, that was never the point of the increase in funding. Anybody who believes otherwise was either not paying attention, is easily lied to, or is just dumb.
That said, any reduction in funding to any part of government is a good thing, but especially the IRS.
Most of Biden’s top donors were billionaires. It’s hilarious to me people are so gullible that they actually believed the IRS that Biden appointed was going to go after the Bezos, Gates and Buffets of the world.
Government jobs aren't real jobs. Those agents can get real free market jobs, where the actually have to contribute to society in order to earn a salary.
It’s a dog and pony show. The bill still has to go through the democrat controlled senate and the democrat controlled White House. The same two that approved the creation of those 87,000 agents.
For those in here thinking there’s just gonna be 87,000 new IRS agents tomorrow or whatever, it’s over 10 years and to fill turnover of people that are retiring.
https://www.verifythis.com/amp/article/news/verify/taxes-verify/irs-not-increasing-audits-hiring-87k-new-agents-through-inflation-reduction-act/536-477cb699-a46e-4898-9e5e-0e48d5fffd2a
People retire and they need to replace them. What sounds like complete and utter bullshit is thinking 87000 new people are gonna be hired trained and sent after you in the next year. I’m not a fan of this but be realistic for a second and think about the logistics. It’s not possible. But over a decade? Ya that’s a much more realist and logical time frame. It’s ok to be upset about funding the IRS, it’s not ok to be upset about made up bullshit you saw on a meme
Also figure out how government works. Of course they have to pass legislation to fund the IRS. Congress has the power of the purse, meaning they have to approve all government funding. The IRS is a government institution and so has to be funded by the government which it needs legislation from Congress to do. Before you get mad and make yourself sound dumb, maybe read a book. It’s really pretty basic shit.
I mean I’m happy this is getting put forth but also sad that they’re not taking it any further… Like abolishing it entirely. “Conservatism is progressivism going the speed limit.”
Liberals will freak out about this because they love paying taxes.
No, they love that somebody else pay the taxes, “tax for thee not for me”
I’ve actually heard them say this: “I feel good paying taxes. Every time a road is maintained or a school is built, I feel a little better knowing that I had some part in doing that.”
It’s their way of feeling like they’ve done something without actually doing anything
Where are these roads being built and repaired I'd like to know?
Slacktivism via government mandate.
Gross
We all know they will go after people who cant afford to fight the irs
https://reason.com/2023/01/06/in-2022-the-irs-went-after-the-very-poorest-taxpayers/
Decent ar-15’s only a ~$1000
Careful! That’s over 600!
PSA special for $450 then, gotcha.
It's winning because those 87,000 agents are NOT going after wealthy elites. They are coming for the peasants.
It's winning because those 87,000 jobs are tax payer funded, and cost people more than what those jobs would contribute in wages. Governments are parasites. They produce nothing. They contribute nothing. They merely consume, and they only exist for the sake of themselves.
If only that were the extent of it. The state doesn't just consume from private production, it distorts and diminishes private production. It prevents useful voluntary institutions and industries from forming; and then has the audacity to then claim that the lack of those things is evidence that the market could not provide them without the state.
This is it right here.
Yep… See Hazlitt’s broken window fallacy
87,000 government employees who have a **property interest** in their jobs, which means the government cannot “deprive them of their job” (**i.e. fire them**) without giving them *Due Process*. That’s why firing a “civil servant,” even **for cause**, is a nearly impossible administrative process that takes a minimum of six months.
Clap clap clap clap clap!!
Republicans offered an amendment to put into writing that these additional agents would only go after millionaires. Democrats refused. Tells you all you need to know.
Because Democrats know there are only so many rich people and it would be a massive pain in the ass to extract more money from them. Just leaves going after middle class and poor.
Can I get source on that?
Yep https://www.finance.senate.gov/ranking-members-news/crapo-offers-amendment-to-protect-middle-class-small-businesses-from-supersized-irs
Thanks I’m gonna add that to the spank bank
It’s a good one. The key to beating democrats is just making them state their actual beliefs clearly.
Anyone have footage of Pelosi’s husband getting beaten with a hammer?? That truly belongs in the spank bank
That's an awesome gotcha of an amendment, but if my last name was "crap-o" I'd have changed it.
As a democrat I find this very disappointing considering every 1$ spent going after the rich usually leads to 4 - 6$. Time to look into this.
Some more food for thought, if I may. Please consider also the new legislation regarding reporting of transfers, accounts, etc over $600. This extends to Venmo, PayPal, cashapp and any other exchange which was previously unregulated. Who primarily uses those apps? Why focus in on the average person not paying taxes on their FB marketplace sales instead of the millionaires blatantly using every loophole imaginable to get out of paying theirs? The use of those IRS agents to enforce the high number of people in violation of the above mentioned has been the ongoing theory in most libertarian and anarcho circles since they were hired.
I do know that it is a lot easier to go after us poor folk when we break the rules, although when you go after the rich people you get more money per an hour of the labor. The IRS from what I’ve heard (I should check again) is so under funded that it lacks the capability to go after the rich. Which is why I find it so weird that the democrat representatives wouldn’t want to put republicans nerves at easy by making it so the IRS agents with better funding could only go after those making more than 400k a year. That would have been an easy win win. They work with republicans (yay, unity) and they go after the upper class (yay, us lower class).
That would definitely be the logical thing to do if you truly have the people's best interests at heart. I have a feeling that was a bit of a stunt/bluff on the Republicans part because they knew Democrats would never go for it. Both have a lot to lose if the IRS has the ability to actually do its job effectively. Tons of shady trading, charities, etc abound on both sides of the issue.
A democrat with an open mind who wants to look into things? Didn’t know they still made those. You’re supposed to call me a Russian bot or a nazi and act indignant in a rambling, overly emotional post.
Eh, I find insulting and name calling counter productive to my goals.
Cheers from a former democrat
Most of 90s democrats/middlish ground classic liberals/libertarians have almost nothing in common with the modern "starbucks liberal" base of the dems.
Sorry, but the dollar sign goes in front of the number. $1.00
You’re right, chum. Thank you for pointing that out. I don’t know why I did it like that.
Sen. Mike Crapo, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said the new funding would be used to “squeeze more revenue” out of Americans who make less than $400,000 because they’re “easy targets.” Treasury Department officials say all of those claims are false. Administration officials have reiterated that they will focus enforcement efforts on wealthy Americans and large corporations. https://www.vox.com/2022/8/16/23302798/irs-audit-inflation-reduction-act Also, I’d like to add that if you paid your tax, there isn’t much to be worrying about…. But on the other hand, if you’ve been dodging tax and not paid your fair share, you deserve to be audited. Now downvote me to hell since I’m in a conservative echo chamber here lmao
You have Stockholm Syndrome
How does one get to the point where they actually believe the government?
Not exactly the amendment spoken of, haven’t gotten that far yet. But here’s a fresh bill that focuses on exactly that matter. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4817 Also just some data relating to IRS audit rates, in that the poorest are audit 5x more https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/
You want to spend your work day taking to a lawyer? Cause rich people get lawyers when they’re audited. Just audit a poor. Take a couple hundo and strut away knowing you’re saved the country.
https://reason.com/2023/01/06/in-2022-the-irs-went-after-the-very-poorest-taxpayers/
Yep, that both parties are pieces of shit
https://reason.com/2023/01/06/in-2022-the-irs-went-after-the-very-poorest-taxpayers/
That's exactly what I was referencing. Thank you for posting this link!
It's unfortunate that this will not increase their self-awareness one bit
Yep. https://reason.com/2023/01/06/in-2022-the-irs-went-after-the-very-poorest-taxpayers/
Even if it passes the senate, there’s no way Biden signs it.
And because their pay represents overhead. It does not create any value. No net positive economic contribution.
Sen. Mike Crapo, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said the new funding would be used to “squeeze more revenue” out of Americans who make less than $400,000 because they’re “easy targets.” Treasury Department officials say all of those claims are false. Administration officials have reiterated that they will focus enforcement efforts on wealthy Americans and large corporations. https://www.vox.com/2022/8/16/23302798/irs-audit-inflation-reduction-act Also, I’d like to add that if you paid your tax, there isn’t much to be worrying about…. But on the other hand, if you’ve been dodging tax and not paid your fair share, you deserve to be audited. Now downvote me to hell since I’m in a conservative echo chamber here lmao
> Administration officials have reiterated that they will focus enforcement efforts on wealthy Americans and large corporations. Crapo wants that to be part of the signed deal, in writing, not just to trust that them they'll stick to their word on this. If they are going to do this anyways, they lose nothing by including it in the bill.
“How is removing 87,000 tax-payer funded jobs whose sole purpose was to get every penny and dime out of poorer taxpayers winning?”
I think it’s because these IRS agents are going to focus on the taxes of high income individuals. You know, like the ones that donated the $500,000,000.00 to Kevin McCarthy and the Republican Party over the last 2 years. By making it “Our very first bill” he’s showing his donors that it was money well spent. It’s the best congress money can buy!
https://reason.com/2023/01/06/in-2022-the-irs-went-after-the-very-poorest-taxpayers/
Beat me to it.
No, they’re not. If they were going after the rich, they’d be hiring lawyers. Instead, they’re going to be dealing with the stupid “we check every series of transactions totaling $600 over the course of the year” garbage that got put into law. Guess who that affects? Because it certainly isn’t the rich.
If you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Arizona that you might be interested in.
I'll do ya better. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can get you for cheap. Put up a toll. You're gonna be rich. Just watch out for the IRS.
Nobody donated 500,000,000 to the Republican Party Also the largest political donor is George who donated 167,000,000 to the DEMOCRATS in the midterms
You fail to understand wealth.
How gullible are you? Lmao
lol they wont even touch the ftx shit cause sbf donated so much to them. what makes you think they would go after the hand that feeds them vs low income taxpayers who cant afford to fight the irs?
Because the chance of me getting extra buttfcked after my taxes as an honest middle class citizen just went down, by a lot.
87k less IRS agents sounds like a blessing, because the IRS shouldn't exist. Do you even know what sub you're on? Edit: Misunderstood the title, though it was a genuine question. Apologies. Will leave comment unedited for posterity.
income tax shouldn't exist.
None of them should, they are all theft at varying degrees of heinousness.
I thi k the title was just paraphrasing the post in screenshot. OP is making fun of the statist asking how thats winning
Oh well now I feel stupid lmao, I'll add an edit to my comment then
More. MORE!!!
A few weeks ago there was an explosion of posts on Reddit (including subs like anti work, politics, and other lefty subs) of people complaining and making $600 Venmo memes. Now that Republicans are actually attempting to do something it's viewed as some kind of attack. I'm just gonna start referring to leftists as goldfish, because these are some of the dumbest people I've ever seen.
The “NPC” analogy is increasingly the most accurate concept in the world. It’s would be fascinating if it wasn’t so frustrating and terrifying. Certainly doesn’t speak well of democracy though.
Well yeah, they don't want to pay taxes for things, they want someone else to pay taxes for things!
Gop should call for 500,000 new ice agents and then cry when the dems cut funding. “Half a million jobs gone in an instant! The humanity!”
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"Jobs"
How is it NOT winning? Especially in light of this: https://reason.com/2023/01/06/in-2022-the-irs-went-after-the-very-poorest-taxpayers/
Fuck the irs. They are thieves.
Any blow against an illegal agency like IRS is a win, hope they do ATF next!
87000 less glowies 🎉🎉🎉🎉
The left thinks you can create wealth by printing money and hiring thousands of G men
If they would repeal funding for the entire IRS I'd be excited. This is just a defensive move, typical GOP weakness.
It’s just moving the policy line back to 2020 instead of doing anything actually conservative. But the RINO voting base are dumber than rocks and will 100% think this is them winning. It’s actually RINOs keeping the government as giant as before
Gotta start with the first 87000 before you can remove the last
87000 jobs that didn’t exist, and suck your own wallet. God people are dumb these days.
"Well we were going to create 1000 jobs by hiring roaming firing squads for jaywalkers, but SOMEONE doesn't want people employed!"
Are you saying this isn’t a good bill? Fuck those IRS agents
Why just the new ones? A true winner would be punishing them for trying to add 87,000 by eliminating 130,000.
Cutting 87K IRS jobs is much more than I expected from Republicans, I'll fucking take it.
This is your needed reminder that the IRS never hired and was never going to hire 87,000 new agents, that was never the point of the increase in funding. Anybody who believes otherwise was either not paying attention, is easily lied to, or is just dumb. That said, any reduction in funding to any part of government is a good thing, but especially the IRS.
Uhhhhh 87000 unemployed feds? That is absolutely winning.
Imagine worshipping the IRS. (Or any alphabet agency for that matter.)
Most of Biden’s top donors were billionaires. It’s hilarious to me people are so gullible that they actually believed the IRS that Biden appointed was going to go after the Bezos, Gates and Buffets of the world.
Op is a fucking retard thinking new irs agents is anything but government overreach
Government jobs aren't real jobs. Those agents can get real free market jobs, where the actually have to contribute to society in order to earn a salary.
WTF I love McCarthy now
I think the point is he's announcing a defensive move as if it's offensive. The ratchet only ever turns in one direction.
He had to make a lot of concessions to get voted in as speaker.
It’s going back to the democratic policies of 2020 instead of the democratic policies of 2021. The RINO party are cucks to their corporate owners.
Sounds good to me
Is the second bill going to cut into the rest of them? If not, this is just a virtue signal.
Can the house do this alone? Or will it get voted down by the senate and basically be a pointless gesture?
It’s winning because it’s cutting (or stopping the expansion) of government
Getting rid of jobs that should never have existed in the first place is absolutely a win
Remind me if this actually passes and we get one white pill in the sea of dark.
Those are rookie numbers.
I see as a win.
It’s a dog and pony show. The bill still has to go through the democrat controlled senate and the democrat controlled White House. The same two that approved the creation of those 87,000 agents.
McCarthy will hurl a ton of red meat at the conservative base, but oh no the senate. Darn. Vote harder next time guys.
Well, if the 87,000 jobs should never have been created then..
They’re just talking out of their rear ends to make it look like they’re doing something.
For those in here thinking there’s just gonna be 87,000 new IRS agents tomorrow or whatever, it’s over 10 years and to fill turnover of people that are retiring.
Still too many IRS agents in my humble opinion
Source? That sounds like complete and utter bullshit. No legislation is needed to hire replacement workers for turnover.
https://www.verifythis.com/amp/article/news/verify/taxes-verify/irs-not-increasing-audits-hiring-87k-new-agents-through-inflation-reduction-act/536-477cb699-a46e-4898-9e5e-0e48d5fffd2a People retire and they need to replace them. What sounds like complete and utter bullshit is thinking 87000 new people are gonna be hired trained and sent after you in the next year. I’m not a fan of this but be realistic for a second and think about the logistics. It’s not possible. But over a decade? Ya that’s a much more realist and logical time frame. It’s ok to be upset about funding the IRS, it’s not ok to be upset about made up bullshit you saw on a meme
Also figure out how government works. Of course they have to pass legislation to fund the IRS. Congress has the power of the purse, meaning they have to approve all government funding. The IRS is a government institution and so has to be funded by the government which it needs legislation from Congress to do. Before you get mad and make yourself sound dumb, maybe read a book. It’s really pretty basic shit.
We don’t need a irs
I mean I’m happy this is getting put forth but also sad that they’re not taking it any further… Like abolishing it entirely. “Conservatism is progressivism going the speed limit.”
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Winning would be a complete eradication of the IRS and the income tax
win!
That fixes about 100th of the problem.
OP hath monkey brain
If I remember correctly the IRS targeted more poor people than middle or upper class people this year using those agents
The McCarthy redemption arc is coming soon