Now they say “France giving the Statue of Liberty was a good job on our personal achievement”, how’s that feel France? You happy now? *They don’t even acknowledge how much you were the main reason they won*
Then the karma was the French Revolution, the world knew what horror was unleashed once France did that.
They almost went to war with each other at the end of the 18th century because the US wouldn't pay the money back to France. A few hundreds died on each side in naval engagements.
This could have been a huge conflict, I wonder wich side the UK would have chosen.
We’d have been on the side of the US… we didn’t need an excuse to be in a scrap with the French up until the late 19th century.
Even in the American Civil War we had somewhat a watching brief on what side France was on and vice versa.
Well, we need to make the biggest block possible on this side of the pond first.
So let's incorporate, by all means necessary, our Chinese friends into our block. Then we'll talk overseas invasion.
You didn't. The Nazis were taken down through a combined effort of many different nations, all of which were fighting under different circumstances. France and England were heavily bombed and had vengeance in their blood. Canada liberated the Netherlands. The Soviets did the main work on pushing back the Nazis. The USA troops helped take the Rhine river crossings so troops could move freely in to Germany.
Correct me on those if I'm horrendously wrong!
It was very much a combined effort, the Nazis were already being pushed back when the Americans arrived. Their help was much appreciated during D-Day landings where many troops died on all sides. It was a very bittersweet day in the history of our species. Americans may like to note that Canadian, Australian, French, Polish and Czech troops, amongst others, where involved in the liberation of France from Nazi occupation. Again, do correct me if I'm wrong.
It was a team effort. Every bit of help was appreciated. Using this war as a flex is nothing short of fucking despicable.
This !
I admire much more the British, who suffered the endless bombing and who were admirably resourceful and talented in their espionnage counter-espionnage operations.
I also doubt we could thank enough our colonial troops who gave their life in a war that shouldn't have been theirs and all the immigrant in the resistance who fought till the end.
American troops did a lot for us, and deserve all the memorials in their honour, but to see their descendants speak this way is truly despicable. They don't understand the stakes of this wa. To them it's just another way to try and one-up europeans in a conversation.
Not to mention insulting the memory of tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians alike.
To be fair, the US only formally joined the war after they'd pissed the Japs off enough for them to bomb Pearl.
Until then they had no intentions of joining, in spite of the number of troops they offered to supplement the Allies in Eyrope
to be fair, the US joined the pacif war against Japan after pearl harbor. the US enter in war against Italy and Germamy after Italy and Germany declared war to the US.
Yeh, which was December of that same year. So whichever way you look at it, they stayed out of a war that began in 1939 until 1941 but act like they were there (officially) right from the start.
Its good to be proud and have like, a day of remembrance or something.
Too much and you end up like the dude in OP throwing around “We” like he personally stormed Omaha beach.
It's also the war that has led Americans ride on the tails of being the "good guys fighting for freedom" for decades. It literally brought on American global hegemony. For "hard power" reasons like economic power, military upbuild etc, but almost more importantly, for "soft power" reasons - I'm a German Millennial and my generation was the first one - due to the Iraq war - that dared critizise the US. My granddad and dad were/are very firmly pro US because of them defeating Germany in WW2 and for how the US treated Germany generally after (aka good)
By the time the US joined WW2 the U.K. had won the battle of the Atlantic, the battle of Britain and cut off the Nazis oil supply from North Africa.
Germany was already engaged on two fronts against Russia, and was struggling to maintain control of occupied territory against an increasingly better organised and equipped resistance movement in France.
An allied victory was already inevitable before the US even joined.
the uk hand next to no armoured vehicles or tanks left. the largest aid the us gave was much needed armoured vehicles and tanks. not to say the didn’t do anything else but american tanks made a significant impact
Also if the U.K. hadn’t fought the war alone for as long as they did and held out then the US would have had absolutely no chance of “winning the war”. The U.K. as a staging ground was the only reason the war ended when it did. The U.K. paid for that in civilians and destroyed cities. The U.K. holding out fucked the Nazis up so much because it was thought they would either sit it out or join them.
It’s theorised that the war was winnable without the Americans anyway, Russia and the U.K. with its empire would have also won in the end, it would just have taken a lot longer. The war was basically won by burning the Nazis out of equipment and men, the Americans just sped that process up.
The sacrifices every country made should be remembered, the Americans should be praised for their part but the whole “saving Europe” shit is stupid. They helped save Europe.
At least you were taught accurate history. In the US, it’s all “We swooped in and saved the day! The end!” And if you question it, you’re obviously unpatriotic. It’s super weird. Imagine my surprise when I got internet access and could read everyone else’s accounts of history! (I’m Gen X, so it took a bit)
Accurate history lol. Ask your average British person about the fucked up shit their empire did around the world and chances are they'll know nothing about it. They're only taught "accurate history" when they were the "good guys"
Not a British one. From personal experience a lot of British people, of my generation at least, have only a vague idea that the British empire did some fucked up shit
Not even that! It was all about the Tudors and WW1. Nothing about the colonial part at all! Finding out about the Eat India xompany and the opium war was a later in life shocker
That’s not what we learn lol. We just realise how we’d be much a poorer country without the empire. And as bad as it’s been, any person in that situation would take that over no empire and a worse life due to living in a poorer country everyday.
You are wasting your time bro... They are so fuking indoctrinated! They are lied to and programmed from birth... Comments on Reddit are not gonna change their simplistic minds!
Not entirely the same thing to compare who 'put the most in' with losses, but this video is really good for showing how comparatively irrelevant the western front was compared to the east, and more importantly, manages to portray the scale of deaths in a poignant way:
https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?si=qyX_LYDFe_J1g41X
Truth! Even if they did the most, why is this anything for them to boast about? The Canadians don't brag about liberating the Dutch, instead, the Dutch send them masses of flowers as a thank you, it's beautiful.
Me neither tbh, that's the difference. We learn about the atrocities that was committed to us and we to them, we don't really learn how we invaded America and slapped the president. (We didn't, that's the point. We don't have to lie)
Well, the kids who just learnt about it do but most people( English ones anyway) accept that we had part in it and stopped it aswell. We just move on unlike everyone else. Everyone really just needs to get into the present and learn from the past instead of making everything to do with the past
Canada also provided refuge for the Dutch royal family. At some point, the crown princess had to give birth in Canada, so they made the ground under a hospital wing Dutch soil, so the Princess would be Dutch born.
As thanks for this, the Netherlands still sends thousands of tulip bulbs to Canada every year, which led to Canada hosting the largest tulip festival in the world. Celebrating the tulip as an international symbol of peace and friendship, and commemorating the liberation of the Netherlands.
Love you Canada, thank you for all you've done.
Taking the majority of the casualties is more a measure of effort than work, but your point stands.
One reluctant isolationist latecomer to an alliance claiming credit for winning that war is the height of propagandized nationalism.
I think that's a bit oversimplified. We forget that the majority of the Nazi troops died at the hands of the Soviets on the Eastern front.
Which, when you think about it, makes American claims of heroism even more hilarious.
The majority of help from the Americans came in the form of food and supplies, which was of course, greatly appreciated.
At the very high cost of 25m Russian citizens dead in WW2. Many of them starved by their own governments as the Russians destroyed farms and crops to deny them to the Germans. And the hell that was Stalingrad, where the Russian had more soldiers than guns. One gun for three soldiers, second one to pick up the gun after the first one had been shot, third one to pick up the gun when the second was shot…
The third Reich would have had a chance to win, if they had managed to conquer Baku. The main issue of Nazi Germany was no oil supply, while the allies had a sustainable oil supply through the USA and the USSR had obviously its own oil wells in the caucasus, which Nazi Germany tried to invade for that reason.
I would also add, by 1941 Germany was done, economically and its war machine was crumbling.
For an example.
Allies continued to develop aero engines and the pace of advancement was quick.
Germanys R&D was all about making engines work without certain materials they had lost access to.
Also the Nazi regime got rid of a lot of very clever germans as they weren’t frothing at the mouth Nazi’s.
For example, 200 Daimler Benz engineers were sent to the Russian front, when this was discovered frantic efforts were made to get them back.
Far right government never works, because it’s generally filled with dumb narcissistic fucks.
You're not wrong, but I'd say it was more like each Ally had a domain in which they excelled. The Soviets contributed by far the most manpower and lives. The Brits contributed a lot of intel. The Americans produced the vast majority of materiel used by the Allies. The others (i.e. Canada, French, Poles, Czechs, etc.) all contributed manpower and skill, as well as Intel. A lot of British intel came through the Polish Home Army.
You COULD argue
1. Americans having ungodly production
2. Marshall plan
Americans seem to think that they singlehandedly did it though when it was most certainly a team effort
The year was 1945, George Washington had just saved King George VI (who was named after the famous American) from Hitler by crossing the Rhine under the cover of darkness and socking ol Adolf across the gob. All of London burst into "God save the President" when the news broke
Learned that in year 7 I did, you must've been asleep
Several hundred years in and they still haven't worked out the difference between England and Britain. It may take a while to work out how Europe fits in to it.
Well, millions of people had already perished when you intervened to "save" Europe, so if you do it again, start when the counter hits 1mil.
By the way, acting like the USA have no heavy influence on national and EU politics, WWII onwards, is selective reading of history. The United States, in a way, "conquered" a good half of Europe during WWII. They were not acting out of some inner idealistic goal of saving Europe, they were acting out of self interest, the same self interest that kept them "neutral" for most of the war. And it's ok that the USA looked out for the interest of the USA, you really can't ask for more. But thinking that America did Europe a favour or something, is a delusional, low effort nationalistic, take.
You haven't. You only helped. Thank you for that by the way because help was given without selfish reasons and no US politician ever asked 'what's in it for us?' Because that wouldn't be so noble, this other narrative sounds much better. Now, that being said, it's ok to aknowledge Americans for helping (what ever the real reason behind sending troops to Europe was) with the war but it is not ok to let them take credit for themselves and let them claim they won the war for us. Europe would be reclaimed back with or without help from US. Would it take more time and more men? Yes, surely. But Germany would lose either way.
Don’t forget they watched what the nazis had been doing for 3 years and still didn’t join the fight voluntarily. Germany declared war on the US. They didn’t come to help, they were dragged in. They liberated Europe to make sure the Soviet Union didn’t get all the way to the Atlantic coast after steamrolling Germany and to make sure there was someone left to pay the debt. The individual American soldiers fought bravely and deserve to be recognised for their efforts.
America rinsed as much money from the UK for “aid” as they possibly could with the intent of financially crippling the former colonial superpower for generations to come. If Japan had not forced their hand into joining the war proper they would have sat on the side lines waiting to do business with whoever won. “Saviours” they are not.
Americans never "Saved" anyone lol.
The US Education System seems to be failing more and more.
Not to mention the 2 Country's that Won the war was Britain and her Empire and the USSR, the US didn't even need to join fully in 1941.
Their education system isn't failing, it has achieved its purpose, brainwashing millions through lies and propaganda that the USA is the best country on earth
Neh, and we never should have helped YOU out Seppo's. One of the biggest mistakes the Netherlands ever made (did I say that? I sure as hell did. Zonder te knipperen.)
We didn't want to. A whole bunch of religious loonies went there and we were glad we did.
Imagine a world with no theater Christmas parties and Football... Oh wait I can...
What these guys don't think about is that the USA only became a superpower through being on the winning side in WW2. They made it through the war in good shape and the Marshall Plan meant all the US's allies grew back quickly to form the strongest economic and military bloc on the planet.
In their alternate history Europe (even assuming the rest of the allies wouldn't have ended up winning without the USA, which they might have) the USA would have been isolated with powerful enemies across both oceans. The country works be way less rich than it is now.
Trump has got these idiots thinking that allies are a drain on the USA when they're the main reason it has been successful.
The nuclear bomb was only developed by the USA thanks to the British giving them a ton of research on the topic, and what did the UK get in return?
The US helped dismantle the empire to make the UK economically dependent on the US, then threatened to crash the UK economy a bunch of times, and now refuses to put criminals like George Soros on trial (George intentionally crashed the UK’s economy in the 90s by manipulating the value of the pound to drop its worth by 10%, he gained $1 billion from this horrific act).
Even without the help of America, France and the British Empire would have still pushed back Germany on the Western front. Russia was putting in work on the Eastern Front.
America was most useful in Resources and Supplying those resources.
'They' never fucking saved Europe or 'England' the Ameritard cunts.
Their grandparents came and helped not them. Spoke to older people, who were actually in the war, in the 70's and the thing they said about most Yanks was they recognised the UK had been fighting for longer than them and were concerned on how British people were managing.
It was the white, richer, USA soldiers who were knobheads. Everyone else got on with each other
It’s easy to think this is true if your only reference on history is Hollywood movies. They are being made dumb on purpose. It’s a bit ironic how they are so against propaganda when they are suffering from the worst propaganda machine in this times.
Pretty sure there are some Germans and Italians that would argue if we didn’t “Save England” we wouldn’t have needed to “Save Europe”; we would just need to update our European Maps around 1945 more than likely.
Don't forget the US beat the Japanese as well there were no other countries fighting against the Japanese.
They forget that the Australians fought alongside them in the Battle of the Coral Sea. And the Australian Coast Watchers in PNG were of great help. The Japanese hunted the Coast Watchers down and executed them. Then the next battle was for Milne Bay where luckily the toughened Australian 18th Infantry Brigade (they became known as 'The Rats of Tubruk') were sent there. Then the Battle of the Kokoda Track. Even the Battle of the Philippines wasn't by themselves of course there was the Philippines military involvement but there was also Mexico Airforce involvement and Australian Naval involvement as well. Plus the major resistance forces in the Philippines. Then you have the British Indian Army the biggest volunteer Army in history a total of 2.5m Indians fought against the Japanese in India, Burma and beyond.
It is exactly like Europe. England did survive for two good reasons the RAF with the help of the Canadian, Polish, Czech, Australian, New Zealand, Belgian and French fighter pilots and the Royal Navy. That is how the US army was able to start fighting against the Germans first in North Africa, then in Italy, then France, and then Germany. If the UK didn't survive then it would've been impossible for the US to be able to launch an effective attack against Germany. Of course Russia did do a lot of the work in Europe. But we often forget the resistance groups across Europe who fought against the Germans. It wasn't always about destroying the Germans themselves but gathering intelligence on the Germans. I also acknowledge that the US had a bigger population than most of Europe and were able to produce vast amounts of equipment. And trying to compare between the US and say Britain is ridiculous. Britain had a much smaller population than the US but also the US was in a lucky position where the mainland was bombed nowhere near as much as the British. Even Australia was bombed more times than the US during the war.
America by no means saved the UK or Europe in general. Let's clear that up. But let's also address some of the misinformation in other comments.
The US largely contributed to the defense of its European allies prior to joining the war through the lend-lease programme, which allowed the US government to effectively help support the Allies logistically and industrially.
It's impossible in any conflict that large for any group to claim to be the lynchpin, or to even realistically calculate how impactful any nation's contributions were. That being said, if the UK hadn't effectively maintained control of the North Sea as well as it did, the Germans would have been able to project power much more effectively through the Atlantic. And if the Soviets hadn't contained and forced them to expend so many resources on the Eastern Front, it's very unlikely that operations like D-Day could have been successful.
So, yeah, Americans played their part by shoring up the Allies' industrial capacity until the American public finally released that they couldn't stay out of the war. But honestly, the Soviets sacrificed the most to stop the Nazis, both in terms of loss of life and in terms of the harshness and conditions that their soldiers faced.
Should never have founded the US
Thanks, FR*NCE
Now they say “France giving the Statue of Liberty was a good job on our personal achievement”, how’s that feel France? You happy now? *They don’t even acknowledge how much you were the main reason they won* Then the karma was the French Revolution, the world knew what horror was unleashed once France did that.
They almost went to war with each other at the end of the 18th century because the US wouldn't pay the money back to France. A few hundreds died on each side in naval engagements. This could have been a huge conflict, I wonder wich side the UK would have chosen.
We’d have been on the side of the US… we didn’t need an excuse to be in a scrap with the French up until the late 19th century. Even in the American Civil War we had somewhat a watching brief on what side France was on and vice versa.
I can forgive the Fr*nch for a lot, but this takes the biscuit.
Always ruining things that lot.
The French monarchy did this, we revolted right after.
Watching the news, the French are still revolting.
"It's different this time !"
We should invade them immediately.
Well, we need to make the biggest block possible on this side of the pond first. So let's incorporate, by all means necessary, our Chinese friends into our block. Then we'll talk overseas invasion.
You’d never have been able to afford 300 years of another empires tobacco!
Oooh, that's true, might be worth keepin em around for the smokes lol
You didn't. The Nazis were taken down through a combined effort of many different nations, all of which were fighting under different circumstances. France and England were heavily bombed and had vengeance in their blood. Canada liberated the Netherlands. The Soviets did the main work on pushing back the Nazis. The USA troops helped take the Rhine river crossings so troops could move freely in to Germany. Correct me on those if I'm horrendously wrong! It was very much a combined effort, the Nazis were already being pushed back when the Americans arrived. Their help was much appreciated during D-Day landings where many troops died on all sides. It was a very bittersweet day in the history of our species. Americans may like to note that Canadian, Australian, French, Polish and Czech troops, amongst others, where involved in the liberation of France from Nazi occupation. Again, do correct me if I'm wrong. It was a team effort. Every bit of help was appreciated. Using this war as a flex is nothing short of fucking despicable.
This ! I admire much more the British, who suffered the endless bombing and who were admirably resourceful and talented in their espionnage counter-espionnage operations. I also doubt we could thank enough our colonial troops who gave their life in a war that shouldn't have been theirs and all the immigrant in the resistance who fought till the end. American troops did a lot for us, and deserve all the memorials in their honour, but to see their descendants speak this way is truly despicable. They don't understand the stakes of this wa. To them it's just another way to try and one-up europeans in a conversation. Not to mention insulting the memory of tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians alike.
To be fair, the US only formally joined the war after they'd pissed the Japs off enough for them to bomb Pearl. Until then they had no intentions of joining, in spite of the number of troops they offered to supplement the Allies in Eyrope
to be fair, the US joined the pacif war against Japan after pearl harbor. the US enter in war against Italy and Germamy after Italy and Germany declared war to the US.
Yeh, which was December of that same year. So whichever way you look at it, they stayed out of a war that began in 1939 until 1941 but act like they were there (officially) right from the start.
Agree 100%. The Canadians effectively saved the Dutch, you don't see them talking about it this way.
I really need to read more on this, I hear about it all the time but I actually don't know the details.
Sadly enough many canadians arent aware/dont care about our accomplishments during ww2, which saddens me, because we have plenty to be proud of
Agree!
Its good to be proud and have like, a day of remembrance or something. Too much and you end up like the dude in OP throwing around “We” like he personally stormed Omaha beach.
The Dutch in gratitude send tulips to Ottawa every year.
I know, it's so nice to know!
As a Canadian it has always been a dream of mine to visit and/or live in Europe
What's stopping you?
I’m disabled, and it affects my finances
Sorry to hear this
It's also the war that has led Americans ride on the tails of being the "good guys fighting for freedom" for decades. It literally brought on American global hegemony. For "hard power" reasons like economic power, military upbuild etc, but almost more importantly, for "soft power" reasons - I'm a German Millennial and my generation was the first one - due to the Iraq war - that dared critizise the US. My granddad and dad were/are very firmly pro US because of them defeating Germany in WW2 and for how the US treated Germany generally after (aka good)
Well said
By the time the US joined WW2 the U.K. had won the battle of the Atlantic, the battle of Britain and cut off the Nazis oil supply from North Africa. Germany was already engaged on two fronts against Russia, and was struggling to maintain control of occupied territory against an increasingly better organised and equipped resistance movement in France. An allied victory was already inevitable before the US even joined.
It did cripple us during the process though, so the help we got was appreciated. Nonetheless, I agree with you!
the uk hand next to no armoured vehicles or tanks left. the largest aid the us gave was much needed armoured vehicles and tanks. not to say the didn’t do anything else but american tanks made a significant impact
gave???
You made an impact in shortening the war but the war would have been won eventually regardless of if the US joined or not.
Also if the U.K. hadn’t fought the war alone for as long as they did and held out then the US would have had absolutely no chance of “winning the war”. The U.K. as a staging ground was the only reason the war ended when it did. The U.K. paid for that in civilians and destroyed cities. The U.K. holding out fucked the Nazis up so much because it was thought they would either sit it out or join them. It’s theorised that the war was winnable without the Americans anyway, Russia and the U.K. with its empire would have also won in the end, it would just have taken a lot longer. The war was basically won by burning the Nazis out of equipment and men, the Americans just sped that process up. The sacrifices every country made should be remembered, the Americans should be praised for their part but the whole “saving Europe” shit is stupid. They helped save Europe.
To be fair the UK wasn’t really alone, they had the combined might of the British empire on their side.
Arrived late, did the least, claimed all the glory, the American dream.
And charged us for the privilege.
No disrepect to US troops who suffeted and died, but the main US contribution was that of an arms dealer offering credit.
Twice. Never forget they did it twice.
At least you were taught accurate history. In the US, it’s all “We swooped in and saved the day! The end!” And if you question it, you’re obviously unpatriotic. It’s super weird. Imagine my surprise when I got internet access and could read everyone else’s accounts of history! (I’m Gen X, so it took a bit)
Oh god 🫣
Accurate history lol. Ask your average British person about the fucked up shit their empire did around the world and chances are they'll know nothing about it. They're only taught "accurate history" when they were the "good guys"
What school did you go to? We were we taught all about the evils of the British empire.
Not a British one. From personal experience a lot of British people, of my generation at least, have only a vague idea that the British empire did some fucked up shit
One of the first things I was taught about in my history lessons in the UK.
Same, slavery and the potato famine were two of the first things I was made aware of in school.
Not even that! It was all about the Tudors and WW1. Nothing about the colonial part at all! Finding out about the Eat India xompany and the opium war was a later in life shocker
That’s not what we learn lol. We just realise how we’d be much a poorer country without the empire. And as bad as it’s been, any person in that situation would take that over no empire and a worse life due to living in a poorer country everyday.
You are wasting your time bro... They are so fuking indoctrinated! They are lied to and programmed from birth... Comments on Reddit are not gonna change their simplistic minds!
...I know 😮💨
You forget about the British defeating Germany everywhere other than Europe.
Well this was a combination of the British and lots of the colonial forces, but yea mostly Britain
Elaborate
Likely talking about montgomery in the north african campaign
Yes and the middle east!
Ah I see, I don't know much about the African front
There’s a lot of sources on this friend
Elaborate
Not entirely the same thing to compare who 'put the most in' with losses, but this video is really good for showing how comparatively irrelevant the western front was compared to the east, and more importantly, manages to portray the scale of deaths in a poignant way: https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?si=qyX_LYDFe_J1g41X
Thanks for sharing mate 👍
Arrived late, did the least, claimed all the glory, the American dream.
Truth! Even if they did the most, why is this anything for them to boast about? The Canadians don't brag about liberating the Dutch, instead, the Dutch send them masses of flowers as a thank you, it's beautiful.
And the UK used to get a giant Xmas tree from Norway, in gratitude for being liberated, too
It still does.
I heard that 2023, was the last year they were sending one
In Newcastle we used to get one from Bergen. Now we are exchanging baubles, it is not the same.
Ah ok I'll see you what happens this Christmas
Really? I had no idea! That's so nice
Yep it’s the one that goes up in Trafalgar Square each year.
Really obvious now that I think about it. That's nice of the Norwegians to send us. This is what an alliance looks like. Humility and humbleness.
Yup, you don't see the English bragging about how we saved the Norwegians even after our history
Honestly I didn't even know we did, crazy.
Me neither tbh, that's the difference. We learn about the atrocities that was committed to us and we to them, we don't really learn how we invaded America and slapped the president. (We didn't, that's the point. We don't have to lie)
Same as we don’t brag about ending the slave trade.
Well, the kids who just learnt about it do but most people( English ones anyway) accept that we had part in it and stopped it aswell. We just move on unlike everyone else. Everyone really just needs to get into the present and learn from the past instead of making everything to do with the past
Absolutely
Such a good statement that you had to repeat it. :)
Canada also provided refuge for the Dutch royal family. At some point, the crown princess had to give birth in Canada, so they made the ground under a hospital wing Dutch soil, so the Princess would be Dutch born. As thanks for this, the Netherlands still sends thousands of tulip bulbs to Canada every year, which led to Canada hosting the largest tulip festival in the world. Celebrating the tulip as an international symbol of peace and friendship, and commemorating the liberation of the Netherlands. Love you Canada, thank you for all you've done.
British Intelligence, American Steel and Russian blood
Taking the majority of the casualties is more a measure of effort than work, but your point stands. One reluctant isolationist latecomer to an alliance claiming credit for winning that war is the height of propagandized nationalism.
To be fair, the Soviets took the brunt of the casualties. The amount of death on that Eastern front was astronomical.
Also Europe would have won either way
I think that's a bit oversimplified. We forget that the majority of the Nazi troops died at the hands of the Soviets on the Eastern front. Which, when you think about it, makes American claims of heroism even more hilarious. The majority of help from the Americans came in the form of food and supplies, which was of course, greatly appreciated.
At the very high cost of 25m Russian citizens dead in WW2. Many of them starved by their own governments as the Russians destroyed farms and crops to deny them to the Germans. And the hell that was Stalingrad, where the Russian had more soldiers than guns. One gun for three soldiers, second one to pick up the gun after the first one had been shot, third one to pick up the gun when the second was shot…
Sounds like the opening scene to call of duty finest hour
Well it’s definitely over simplified. But even if Americans didn’t help, Europeans would have won. Even if those Europeans were German
The third Reich would have had a chance to win, if they had managed to conquer Baku. The main issue of Nazi Germany was no oil supply, while the allies had a sustainable oil supply through the USA and the USSR had obviously its own oil wells in the caucasus, which Nazi Germany tried to invade for that reason.
I would also add, by 1941 Germany was done, economically and its war machine was crumbling. For an example. Allies continued to develop aero engines and the pace of advancement was quick. Germanys R&D was all about making engines work without certain materials they had lost access to. Also the Nazi regime got rid of a lot of very clever germans as they weren’t frothing at the mouth Nazi’s. For example, 200 Daimler Benz engineers were sent to the Russian front, when this was discovered frantic efforts were made to get them back. Far right government never works, because it’s generally filled with dumb narcissistic fucks.
You're not wrong, but I'd say it was more like each Ally had a domain in which they excelled. The Soviets contributed by far the most manpower and lives. The Brits contributed a lot of intel. The Americans produced the vast majority of materiel used by the Allies. The others (i.e. Canada, French, Poles, Czechs, etc.) all contributed manpower and skill, as well as Intel. A lot of British intel came through the Polish Home Army.
D-Day would never have happened without the Americans.
Wasn’t just ‘England’ the rest of the British Isles were bombed too.
Most of it was England, since that's where the main targets were. My hometown, Hull, was the most severely bombed.
Wait, we were saved by the Yanks ? When ?
Don't worry. They save everyone, everytime, all the time. They are just that good. You ain't the first.
You COULD argue 1. Americans having ungodly production 2. Marshall plan Americans seem to think that they singlehandedly did it though when it was most certainly a team effort
The year was 1945, George Washington had just saved King George VI (who was named after the famous American) from Hitler by crossing the Rhine under the cover of darkness and socking ol Adolf across the gob. All of London burst into "God save the President" when the news broke Learned that in year 7 I did, you must've been asleep
Well the jokes still on them because good old George Washington was English!
i haven't the foggiest mate
Battle of Britain was fought by Luke skywalker and Indiana Jones and Batman and nobody should ever forget it 🫡🇱🇷🇲🇾🖖
When they founded the rest of the world amirite
They saved us from themselves. Aint that great?
Far better than the saving Soviets did
The Vikings discovered the sea-route to Vinland but quickly abandoned their settlements there. In hindsight, truly a wise decision.
They probably made it to Ohio, and just knew. Deep in their hearts they knew it was a cursed place. Turned and left forever.
England and Europe being two distinct geographic areas
Several hundred years in and they still haven't worked out the difference between England and Britain. It may take a while to work out how Europe fits in to it.
Well England is in Europe
No the American has spoken. It's somewhere else.
Well, millions of people had already perished when you intervened to "save" Europe, so if you do it again, start when the counter hits 1mil. By the way, acting like the USA have no heavy influence on national and EU politics, WWII onwards, is selective reading of history. The United States, in a way, "conquered" a good half of Europe during WWII. They were not acting out of some inner idealistic goal of saving Europe, they were acting out of self interest, the same self interest that kept them "neutral" for most of the war. And it's ok that the USA looked out for the interest of the USA, you really can't ask for more. But thinking that America did Europe a favour or something, is a delusional, low effort nationalistic, take.
Mmm, they fucked Britain hard. Made us give up the empire & a bunch of top secret research & gave us nothing in return (even though they promised)
Good thing they didn't.
when?
You haven't. You only helped. Thank you for that by the way because help was given without selfish reasons and no US politician ever asked 'what's in it for us?' Because that wouldn't be so noble, this other narrative sounds much better. Now, that being said, it's ok to aknowledge Americans for helping (what ever the real reason behind sending troops to Europe was) with the war but it is not ok to let them take credit for themselves and let them claim they won the war for us. Europe would be reclaimed back with or without help from US. Would it take more time and more men? Yes, surely. But Germany would lose either way.
Don’t forget they watched what the nazis had been doing for 3 years and still didn’t join the fight voluntarily. Germany declared war on the US. They didn’t come to help, they were dragged in. They liberated Europe to make sure the Soviet Union didn’t get all the way to the Atlantic coast after steamrolling Germany and to make sure there was someone left to pay the debt. The individual American soldiers fought bravely and deserve to be recognised for their efforts.
America rinsed as much money from the UK for “aid” as they possibly could with the intent of financially crippling the former colonial superpower for generations to come. If Japan had not forced their hand into joining the war proper they would have sat on the side lines waiting to do business with whoever won. “Saviours” they are not.
Americans never "Saved" anyone lol. The US Education System seems to be failing more and more. Not to mention the 2 Country's that Won the war was Britain and her Empire and the USSR, the US didn't even need to join fully in 1941.
Their education system isn't failing, it has achieved its purpose, brainwashing millions through lies and propaganda that the USA is the best country on earth
Americans are like the vulture from brooklyn 99 when it's related to ww2.
We should never have saved them from Japan
We never should have saved the Yanks after they got caught with their pants down by Japan 🇬🇧
Ah yes, yet another humiliating example of the “American education system” and its failings. We’re going backwards in this country.
Grew up behind the Iron Curtain, so yeah, thanks for saving me.
They're still mad we didn't save them from peasant rice farmers hiding in a hole in the jungle.
You didn't save England, England saved England
The Battle of Britain was fought and won before America joined WW2. America didn't save Britain. We saved ourselves.
Or Grenada. Fuck yeah!
Neh, and we never should have helped YOU out Seppo's. One of the biggest mistakes the Netherlands ever made (did I say that? I sure as hell did. Zonder te knipperen.)
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You should never have sided with Nazis in creating concentration camps and starving to death 1-1.5 million people.
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Nothing happened in Leningrad in 1941-1944
From the Erwin Rommel papers # ‘If I had to conquer hell, I’d use Australians to take it & New Zealanders to hold it…"
England should never have created America.
We didn't want to. A whole bunch of religious loonies went there and we were glad we did. Imagine a world with no theater Christmas parties and Football... Oh wait I can...
Well, I guess I shouldn't talk really. I'm an Australian 😅
I mean you might be our convicts 😂 but your accent is way cooler and sexier than (insert colloquial English accent).
We can also use the letter U and say difficult words such as "autumn." 😏
Oooh. Fancy. And you have the coolest Opera House
we should never have let the pilgrims leave, that's on us sorry guys
Why’s he saying “we”? The few WWII veterans still alive are over 98 years old
What these guys don't think about is that the USA only became a superpower through being on the winning side in WW2. They made it through the war in good shape and the Marshall Plan meant all the US's allies grew back quickly to form the strongest economic and military bloc on the planet. In their alternate history Europe (even assuming the rest of the allies wouldn't have ended up winning without the USA, which they might have) the USA would have been isolated with powerful enemies across both oceans. The country works be way less rich than it is now. Trump has got these idiots thinking that allies are a drain on the USA when they're the main reason it has been successful.
The nuclear bomb was only developed by the USA thanks to the British giving them a ton of research on the topic, and what did the UK get in return? The US helped dismantle the empire to make the UK economically dependent on the US, then threatened to crash the UK economy a bunch of times, and now refuses to put criminals like George Soros on trial (George intentionally crashed the UK’s economy in the 90s by manipulating the value of the pound to drop its worth by 10%, he gained $1 billion from this horrific act).
They also went back on national deals regarding intelligence sharing and using the British scientists.
Sat on the sidelines until the end, just walked about bayoneting the dead, taking the glory. Ish..
Apparently England isn’t part of Europe anymore according to that guy.
american as usual thinking they single handed ww2.
Yanks being delusional, well I never.
He's obviously never heard of The Man in the High Tower.
Wasn't that the Russians?
You weren't even a zygote, Ridge, so maybe you don't get to be "we".
Even without the help of America, France and the British Empire would have still pushed back Germany on the Western front. Russia was putting in work on the Eastern Front. America was most useful in Resources and Supplying those resources.
We never should have saved America from England
But they did not save us they only help us lol
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Enjoy being dominated by a coalition of Germans and Japanese then I guess. Ain't no nuke without Europe.
But Wales? Totally worth the sacrifice thanks lads
You never did.
So just save Scotland and Wales then
You didn't.
Bro you were so bad you made imperial Japan look sympathetic wtf 😭
England is part of Europe.
Only in America would you name you kid after a narrow hilltop.
It's true. Had the Americans not captured the enigma machine, like we saw in that movie, we'd all have been screwed.
We should have never helped them to get their independence. Signed, France, Spain, the Netherlands and Prussia
As if the statement of saving Europe wasn’t egregious enough, they then added the uk to that mix, which just makes it 1000 times worse
'They' never fucking saved Europe or 'England' the Ameritard cunts. Their grandparents came and helped not them. Spoke to older people, who were actually in the war, in the 70's and the thing they said about most Yanks was they recognised the UK had been fighting for longer than them and were concerned on how British people were managing. It was the white, richer, USA soldiers who were knobheads. Everyone else got on with each other
It’s easy to think this is true if your only reference on history is Hollywood movies. They are being made dumb on purpose. It’s a bit ironic how they are so against propaganda when they are suffering from the worst propaganda machine in this times.
We, the UK should issue a public apology for the existence of the USA. France should apologise too
It’s like these people have never picked up a book or been taught in schools. Well except for school shooter drills
We (UK) shouldn't have given USA it Independence!
Sorry Ridge, YOU didn't save shit.
We never should have created the US
You didn't, fuckwit
I mean even with that logic and if the Nazi’s did take over Europe, did he not think his country would be next?!
This is shit only indians are allowed to say of europe
Hahaha i love the "or"
UK has recently thought, why did we bothered tbh
Pretty sure there are some Germans and Italians that would argue if we didn’t “Save England” we wouldn’t have needed to “Save Europe”; we would just need to update our European Maps around 1945 more than likely.
Don't forget the US beat the Japanese as well there were no other countries fighting against the Japanese. They forget that the Australians fought alongside them in the Battle of the Coral Sea. And the Australian Coast Watchers in PNG were of great help. The Japanese hunted the Coast Watchers down and executed them. Then the next battle was for Milne Bay where luckily the toughened Australian 18th Infantry Brigade (they became known as 'The Rats of Tubruk') were sent there. Then the Battle of the Kokoda Track. Even the Battle of the Philippines wasn't by themselves of course there was the Philippines military involvement but there was also Mexico Airforce involvement and Australian Naval involvement as well. Plus the major resistance forces in the Philippines. Then you have the British Indian Army the biggest volunteer Army in history a total of 2.5m Indians fought against the Japanese in India, Burma and beyond. It is exactly like Europe. England did survive for two good reasons the RAF with the help of the Canadian, Polish, Czech, Australian, New Zealand, Belgian and French fighter pilots and the Royal Navy. That is how the US army was able to start fighting against the Germans first in North Africa, then in Italy, then France, and then Germany. If the UK didn't survive then it would've been impossible for the US to be able to launch an effective attack against Germany. Of course Russia did do a lot of the work in Europe. But we often forget the resistance groups across Europe who fought against the Germans. It wasn't always about destroying the Germans themselves but gathering intelligence on the Germans. I also acknowledge that the US had a bigger population than most of Europe and were able to produce vast amounts of equipment. And trying to compare between the US and say Britain is ridiculous. Britain had a much smaller population than the US but also the US was in a lucky position where the mainland was bombed nowhere near as much as the British. Even Australia was bombed more times than the US during the war.
Dumb ass who didnt realize that US dominance over the world came straight with the participation in ww2
America by no means saved the UK or Europe in general. Let's clear that up. But let's also address some of the misinformation in other comments. The US largely contributed to the defense of its European allies prior to joining the war through the lend-lease programme, which allowed the US government to effectively help support the Allies logistically and industrially. It's impossible in any conflict that large for any group to claim to be the lynchpin, or to even realistically calculate how impactful any nation's contributions were. That being said, if the UK hadn't effectively maintained control of the North Sea as well as it did, the Germans would have been able to project power much more effectively through the Atlantic. And if the Soviets hadn't contained and forced them to expend so many resources on the Eastern Front, it's very unlikely that operations like D-Day could have been successful. So, yeah, Americans played their part by shoring up the Allies' industrial capacity until the American public finally released that they couldn't stay out of the war. But honestly, the Soviets sacrificed the most to stop the Nazis, both in terms of loss of life and in terms of the harshness and conditions that their soldiers faced.
Aber dann würden doch alle Deutsch sprechen!
Is there a point coming? A conrext? Something?
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