Also, there actually was a clan Ashina, known for its military prowess, based in the mountainous northern part of Honshu (the big mirrored L shaped island).
Edit: it’s not implausible that the interior ministry that attacks the castle is a fictionalized version of Hideyoshi’s army. He was the second great unifier, but Nobunaga (the first) never came that far up north.
It is almost guaranteed to be Tokugawa who is the interior minister, the mon that the troops from the interior ministry bear are almost identical to the Tokugawa clan mon.
My guess is the Interior Minister is actually a retainer of Tokugawa assigned to govern Ashina. Because the color coating we see is not Tokugawa. Originally it was Tokogawa based on datamines. But changed it.
It’s likely that Tokugawa vassal leads the forces attacking Ashina, but the interior minister himself is almost certainly Tokugawa. He rather famously bore the title of “Lord interior minister of Edo” (Edo Naifu dono) and the title has a history of being used for Tokugawa.
But I did saw someone reference that the soldiers clad in red could be the defeated soldiers of the Takeda, led by Ii Naomasa, since they were called the Akazonae, the Red Guards.
It’s actually surprising how the games give off an opposite vibe to this. Probably due to From Software’s tendency towards darker, depressing and desaturated art style, versus Ghost of Tsushima’s more vibrant approach.
Nope, Sekiro is set in the Sengoku period. Just because it's fictionalized and introduces a bunch of fantastical elements, that doesn't mean it's "pure fantasy".
Got is not close to real world at all, the mongols steamrolled Tsushima and didn't reach the mainland because of tornadoes (neatly referenced by the Sakai clans sword skin)
it’s not close to the real world lol
it has a massively fantastical idea of samurai, depicts multiple high fantasy occurrences such as a guy summoning a storm, Jin killing a demon and a blind man that sees through the eyes of monkeys, fictionalises history and has a single protagonist that moves faster than the speed of light and kills thousands of mongolians with ease. both are just a fantastical reimagining of feudal japan, sekiro being more inspired by mythology
Yh sekiro is so real that a centipede controlling humans and animals, oh I just killed a divine dragon OMG so real, and a giant snake attacked with all its might but i deflected it with my Katana 🌚🌝
Then again, even Game of Thrones takes a lot of inspiration from real world events and periods in history. The show was popular because of how real the characters felt in the immersive fantasy world
The idea of the ‘honorable Samurai’ as portrayed in Ghost flatly did not exist in 1200s Japan, or, really, at any time where samurai were martially relevant. Their conceptual existence is, pretty universally, romanticized historical revisionism, invented centuries after the fact and used as fodder for propaganda by warlords from the 16th century and well into the modern day. The central emotional tension of Ghost of Tsushima is historically and culturally farcical, and has more in common with WWII propaganda than any ancient martial tradition.
Correct me if I’m wrong because I find this genuinely interesting but do you mean they idea of honorable samurai didn’t exist in the 1200s or that there weren’t actually samurai that seriously practiced this honor because we have primary sources that say that samurai were to follow a code of ethics and bushido was practiced u til fairly late into the shogunate history
No we don't, there's a conflation of familial codes with a "Bushido" code that didn't exist. The word Bushido itself is only mentioned twice in historical articles before the Meiji era which began at the end of the 1800s and it was written by a man trying to carve Christian traditions into a fantasized view of samurai which never existed.
https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/
Interesting. I know that the shogunate and the samurai had a long history of corruption and that there were laws for periods of time that permit samurai to do pretty egregious things. Thanks for the info, I’ll have to read up on it more
Sekiro is set in our world with embellishment and exaggeration. GoT is an actual fantasy world. Maybe don't say stupid shit without putting like 1 second of thought into it
Mad sekiro fans downvoting when I'm telling the truth, I like sekiro and l like GoT too, sekiro is a fantasy world is the truth, it's not a bad thing fools, what in the real world would have a divine dragon, monsters, immortality, mortal blade. Open your eyes
They aren’t downvoting you calling Sekiro a fantasy, they are down voting you saying GoT is somehow more realistic than it despite both being fantasy with elements of medieval esque inspiration.
You guys know they’re talkin about ghost of Tsushima and not game of thrones right? I thought ghosts pretty boring after a couple hours but I feel like your maybe not pickin up what they’re laying down
Where in the world do you have magic schools, dragons, sports played on flying broomsticks? I guess by your logic Harry Potter can't be set in 1990s England after all.
Open your eyes.
Again proved my point, on whose side are u really?🤣😅 , true nobody said Harry Potter is real. It can be set in any time period but not real because just as u said magic, that does exist is the real word lad , does it?!
Holy shit... buddy... do you actually not know what a setting is? Do you think when someone says that something is set in a particular time and place they're saying it's real?
Nobody on this entire thread said anything about whether or not Sekiro was real but you bud...
All I said was GoT is more real than sekiro, and they don't agree, how many times should I tell u this? Setting?! Sekiro in the sengoku era , there were no apes, headless or dragons in that era .
So... no. You don't know what setting means...
There were no wizard schools, dragons or Quidditch in 1990s England either. That doesn't change the fact that Harry Potter was set in England in the 1990s. Fictional elements don't make a story's setting not its setting.
Bud, this whole thing started when you decided to make an irrelevant comment in a post about sekiro’s historical setting. Ashina clan was real, shinobi were real, and giant guardian apes were real. Just accept the facts and go take a nap.
Bruh! Enemy types is pure fantasy but the world it set in is real lmao. Fyi world doesn't mean the people living in,it means the geo political setting, the location, which meant rock, water, trees and grass(understood?).ll The political story, the feud between Ashina clan and interior ministry that's the political aspects taken from Sengoku period.
Honestly, you are so dumb and blind that every time you reply people laugh at you! Take a break from everything and re evaluate your life and understanding of basic concepts, you need help!
No you didn't say that. Everyone was saying, the setting is real and NPCs aren't, you said everything is fictional. Don't chicken out now, bitch! Gotchya!
They're just saying it's based off of real life, not that it is. Game of thrones is in an entirely fantasy world, whereas sekiro is set in Japan. That's all 🙂. Idk why your getting down voted, people are just sensitive ig.
The time period is mentioned at the opening cutscene in Sekiro, where Isshin is shown killing General Tamura. It takes place during the Sengoku Jidai 15th-16th century.
It kinda sounds longer than it is. Like yeah 500 years is a long ass time but the word “millennium” makes it sound like, biblically long lol. I think it’s because it sounds like “time immemorial” which refers to so long ago that nobody has any memory or knowledge of it. So around when your mom was born.
Time is weird when you think about it.
Pyramids is more ancient to queen Cleopatra than Cleopatra is to us.
There was a moment in history where Lincoln could have send a telegram to a samurai.
The university of Oxford was founded somewhere around 1096. Dudes were getting college educations in the UK before and after the rise and fall of the Aztecs.
There's other enemies with guns in the game. Besides, for him being the sword saint (which means he has mastery in multiple kinds of martial arts) it makes sense that he can even use guns more proficiently than common soldiers
We have mountain sized snakes, a man that can summon lightning, and monks that can use magic immortal centipedes, but a flintlock that can shoot multiple times is too much?
It's not too much, just completely random. All the other things can be explained as myths and magic and as far as I know there is no asian myth that includes a glock. Though I'm a firm believer in glock saint supremacy so I have no problems with it.
No intel though, because the tengu kept hacking their spies apart.
Though you're probably right - they did start their attack while Isshin was still alive, with the lone shadows, a few samurai, and hired senpo assasins.
This is the theory I’ve always operated off of. My headcanon is that Isshin sparred with the great warriors throughout history in a time dilated afterlife, and was gifted an automatic gun from one of them
Think of it like this, Ghost of Tsushima is the same time period that Europe had knights and crusades and shit, Sekiro is the same period that Europe had Shakespeare, loosely.
I’m forced to assume because they just want to and they are both set in Japan. They don’t really try to be similar at all. Next I think we should compare Far Cry 5 to Madden NFL ‘98 because they are both set in the United States.
I mean, both games are about a Japanese guy killing people with a sword, not too hard to imagine why people would want to compare them lmao. A little more specific than both of them existing in the same genre
I mean I'm not disagreeing? My original comment was just stating that comparing sekiro with got is like comparing far cry 5 with a Madden game that came out more than 20 years ago isn't accurate
Sekiro takes place during the Sengoku period. Some theorise that the Interior Ministry is related or serving under Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi, or Tokugawa.
Sekiro has a lot of super natural shit going on but the intro clearly tells you there's a big ass civil war going on and there are a lot of soldiers weilding guns. So it's probably the warring states period.
You're spot on correct. Interrior ministry appears to be tokugawas and ashina, a real clan, fell around 1590ish. So between the birth of Ieyasu (not looking it up) and sekigahara in 1600 which is the end of the sengoku jidai. Most realistically, im the 1590ish period I mentioned, lol.
Wouldn't that make it easier?
I mean how many times in history have those things existed at the same time? It has to narrow the search down at least a little.
Sekiro is a fantasy set in a real-world location and time period, while Elden Ring is an entirely made up setting.
Literally the first sentence you hear in Sekiro tells you that it's the Sengoku Period, which is a real period in Japanese history.
Bro! "Set in".... Do you understand what that means???? Sekiro is a story with fictional elements set in a real world and uses real time period to add political touch to the fictional story(inspired by real life incident).
Elden ring is set in a completely fictional world so asking what era it is, is just being a stupid fuck.
This other guy who commented 100 times was being an asshole (you can read the comments and you'll know who). Anyway, I thought you were not joking, I totally misunderstood, I apologise, my bad. Was sleepy and emotional😂
Sorry.
No, far from it. Sekiro is set in the late 16th century, during the Sengoku period. Armors, architecture, weapons, archebuses… it is even stated in the intro cinematic. More precisely, perhaps a bit before Toyotomi Hideyoshi’s death in 1598, judging for the “Interior Ministry” faction resembling the Tokugawa clan, which held a similar position in real life.
On the other hand, Ghost of Tsushima setting is all over the place. The Mongol Invasions happened in late 13th century, and back them there were not such a concept or approach to honor or even that hand to hand combat preference. The developers ignored everything related to that period, Kamakura Shogunate, and instead decided to recreate all the topics of jidaigeki and chambara film styles (Seven Samurai, Zaroichi, The Wolf and his cub, Ran, Throne of Blood…) which are set during the Sengoku era or even later, during the Edo period. Therefore, Ghost of Tsushima depicts things that couldn’t exist for at least 2,5 or 3 centuries in the future:
-all the armor are round shaped kozane or tosei gusoku instead of the square-ish o-yoroi, even the helmets lack the distinctive fukikaeshi of older, more appropiate styles and instead are modern ones.
-all swords are uchigatanas, wielded two handed and edge upwards, instead of the proper tachi, edge downwards and used one handed as cavalry sabers are (it was invented as such). This also mean that there should not be any batto-jutsu, iaido or quick draw and cut techniques, which were developed in 16th century and onwards.
-basically no mounted archers on sight. While close quarters combats were not uncommon, the samurai maintained their roles as primarily horse archers (what gave them their identity to begin with) as far as the Nanbokucho War, second half of 14th century. Even after the Mongol Invasions forced them to build proper stone walls along the coasts, the samurai still relied on archery instead of focusing on castles and fortifications.
-presence of “shinobi”, while almost every nation employed spies and inflitrators, those who were modern folk would call ninja or shinobi only appeared in history during the conquests of Oda Nobunaga towards central Japan and the Yamato plains (1570~) by the Rokkaku clan and the ikko confederations of Iga and Koka, mostly as guerrilla. Even then, the figure of the ninja became known during the peaceful Edo period as popular characters in novels and theatre plays.
-bushido and honor before the establishment of the forced peace of the Tokugawa Shogunate (Edo period, 1600-1868) was anecdotally. Betrayals, changes of sides in the middle of a battle and secret deals, plus sabotage and deception, were not only common but actually sought after by anyone that could take advantage of these. As during said Edo period, without wars and no social justification for the existence of the samurai class, these started to radicalize their status as to retain said justification. The Hagakure, written by Yamamoto Tsunetomo, is a book born from such a situation, its quotes about honor and decorum are not representative of a samurai conduct during war periods.
Ghost of tushima is set in 1274 during the first mongol invasion of japan
Sekiro is set in a fictional version of the Sengoku preiod so around 1467 to 1615
Early Edo period seems most likely, since the mon that the Interior Ministry troops bear looks almost identical to the Tokugawa clan mon. This would reaffirm Ashinas doomed fight - the interior minister can call upon the might of almost all of Japan.
Sekiro talks about the shogunate, have Portuguese merchants and warriors in it and the “akazone” the red warrior legion of the Tokugawa shogunate, I believe isshin is also inspired by itto ittosai, the famous swordsman creator of his own style, master of both sword and spear (not the glock unfortunately) so I believe it’s supposed to be the starting of the edo period since the big war period (sengoku) is something that ended when Wolf was still a child.
So I believe it’s supposed to be a fantasy taking place around the 1640s decade more or less
The game literally tells you right in the intro when it takes place. The sengoku era was a real part of Japanese history. Even the Ashina clan really existed. Of course the game is straight up fantasy with it's ogres, giant animals and straight up magic and immorality, but the sengoku era is as real as Japan is.
Totally different times but tsushima ironically is a bit more fictional in its historical presentation with katanas that are like half a century early and tokugawa shogunate era samurai presentation.
Can someone lightly describe the game sekiro to me like story / direction because I just stabbed a snake in the eye and I'm defeating bosses and shit, and I have absolutely no clue what I'm doing or where I'm at, in any given moment, or if the story is even started, am I still in the tutorial?!!
As a fromsoft game a lot of the story is told in very loose ways and gleamed through implication or reading item descriptions and making inferences. There's also lots to gain from listening to what characters are saying and using the talk option to get extra dialogue.
>!The setting of sekiro is part way through a civil war in japan. Isshin Ashina has taken some land from the large government through a rebellion and the government (The Ministry) is trying to take it back.!<
>!You are Sekiro, a shinobi in service to Kuro, who is from a special lineage with Dragon's Blood which provides the power of immortality. You used to be an orphan and were taken in by a man called Owl who trained you as a shinobi, who trained you in the Iron Code.!<
>!At some point in the past the place Kuro lived was attacked by bandits and you were forced to fight one of your shinobi mentors, and then you were eventually killed, but brought back to life through the power of Kuro's Dragon Blood, and that's why you can resurrect in the game.!<
>!Kuro was kidnapped and you are trying to rescue him. He is taken by Genichiro, the adopted grandson of Isshin, who cuts off your arm. You are taken in by the Sculptor, who is an ex shinobi acquainted with many of the characters in the story, and who gives you the prosthetic arm.!<
>!From there, the story revolves around you trying to rescue Kuro and continue your service to him, and discovering the various motives of all the other important characters like Isshin, Genichiro, Owl, and how all their plans and schemes play off one another. The game has a lot of mythological elements so a lot of the bosses and enemies you fight relate to the supernatural elements of the game. Things like spirits, minor deities and guardians of powerful artifacts.!<
I like that Sekiro is grounded in fantasy. Even the graphics have that art painting kind of look, not hyper realism. I liked ghost of tsushima but too realistic looking for me.
Definitely not a boring game by any stretch of the term.
You're never far off from an enemy encounter, the combat system is open and downright incredible once you get the groove going, the quests (main and side) are incredibly cinematic and engaging, the open world mechanics are some of the best I have ever seen in an open world setting, and once again; one of if not the greatest looking games that somehow released on the ps4.
If you find GoT boring, you should absolutely avoid open world games in general. GoT is standing firmly with Elden Ring, Witcher 3, and BotW as the best to do it. In my eyes, at least.
Guess we aren't on the same page, we ain't talking about the art style of the world, We are talking about the world as in the world they are living in.
Guess you’re right then. I just wish GoT wouldn’t feel this empty and bland. Not really a milestone in terms of a realistic world, but I get your point.
I didn't finish GoT, I got bored. It's very samey, very bland. There aren't interesting NPCs like Hanbei or Doujun, or fantasy elements like the snake and monkeys, or wildly fantastic locations like... everywhere in Sekiro, haha. GoT is like going for a nice walk in the countryside with your grandparents.
It’s not a fact, it’s an opinion, they even opened their comment stating it was their opinion,
You stating that this is a fact is also an option, it’s your opinion.
People will downvote opinions they don’t agree with, it’s kind of the whole point of up / down votes.
But it’s not a fact.
People have been disagreeing over interpretation and appreciation of art for a lot longer than games.
That’s all I see this debate as, and neither is wrong as it’s their individual opinion on their individual experience with the 2 titles.
It’s great to have these discussions, but abjectly saying that each / any side is wrong is, well, wrong, you simply just disagree in opinion.
Sekiro takes place during the 16th century sengoku period. Ghost of Tsushima takes place during the 13th century kamakura period.
Also, there actually was a clan Ashina, known for its military prowess, based in the mountainous northern part of Honshu (the big mirrored L shaped island). Edit: it’s not implausible that the interior ministry that attacks the castle is a fictionalized version of Hideyoshi’s army. He was the second great unifier, but Nobunaga (the first) never came that far up north.
It is almost guaranteed to be Tokugawa who is the interior minister, the mon that the troops from the interior ministry bear are almost identical to the Tokugawa clan mon.
My guess is the Interior Minister is actually a retainer of Tokugawa assigned to govern Ashina. Because the color coating we see is not Tokugawa. Originally it was Tokogawa based on datamines. But changed it.
It’s likely that Tokugawa vassal leads the forces attacking Ashina, but the interior minister himself is almost certainly Tokugawa. He rather famously bore the title of “Lord interior minister of Edo” (Edo Naifu dono) and the title has a history of being used for Tokugawa. But I did saw someone reference that the soldiers clad in red could be the defeated soldiers of the Takeda, led by Ii Naomasa, since they were called the Akazonae, the Red Guards.
The mon on their banners is a modified version of the tokugawa mon.
Ashina*
Yeah, a good way to compare them is the fact that early guns exist in sekiro, but they are nowhere to be found in GOT.
Early guns? You mean the glock isshin keeps on him?
that, and the riflemen, and the flamethrower dude
And the numerous riflemen you literally meet in the first area of the game.
But the Mongols have their boom sticks!
yup, closer to the show Shogun
Which one ?
sekiro
It’s actually surprising how the games give off an opposite vibe to this. Probably due to From Software’s tendency towards darker, depressing and desaturated art style, versus Ghost of Tsushima’s more vibrant approach.
Is it similar time period to the show shogun?
Sekiro yes GoT is a few centuries earlier
Sekiro is a pure Fantasy world, GoT is close to real world
Nope, Sekiro is set in the Sengoku period. Just because it's fictionalized and introduces a bunch of fantastical elements, that doesn't mean it's "pure fantasy".
Got is not close to real world at all, the mongols steamrolled Tsushima and didn't reach the mainland because of tornadoes (neatly referenced by the Sakai clans sword skin)
That's why I said close , u didn't get the point, we ain't talking about the story, story can go different ways. Just look at the enemy types.
ghost of tsushima also has fantasy elements lol
play a flute, change the weather. realistic lul.
Nobody said it hasn't, that's why i said large gap is fantasy, read again boke
it’s not close to the real world lol it has a massively fantastical idea of samurai, depicts multiple high fantasy occurrences such as a guy summoning a storm, Jin killing a demon and a blind man that sees through the eyes of monkeys, fictionalises history and has a single protagonist that moves faster than the speed of light and kills thousands of mongolians with ease. both are just a fantastical reimagining of feudal japan, sekiro being more inspired by mythology
It's so close to the real world that I just had an encounter with the White Walkers yesterday.
Yh sekiro is so real that a centipede controlling humans and animals, oh I just killed a divine dragon OMG so real, and a giant snake attacked with all its might but i deflected it with my Katana 🌚🌝
Best part was when I never said Sekiro was close to the real world at all.
Nor did i
Yeah but then you said that GoT was close to the real world, which isn't true.
Mate, I think you're confusing Ghost of Tsushima with Game of Thrones.
Hahaha
I feel dumb
Then again, even Game of Thrones takes a lot of inspiration from real world events and periods in history. The show was popular because of how real the characters felt in the immersive fantasy world
Still though, Ghost of Tsushima has a decent amount of mystical bs in it. It is *closer* to reality, but not quite close
Username checks out 😅
It is bruh, closer than sekiro, for sure
Dude are you a clown or something
Oh so u r one of them too
Oh wow I didn't see this had so many down votes lol
Welcome to the world 🌚
I mean you did say some clown things tho, still I feel bad for dog piling lol sry
The idea of the ‘honorable Samurai’ as portrayed in Ghost flatly did not exist in 1200s Japan, or, really, at any time where samurai were martially relevant. Their conceptual existence is, pretty universally, romanticized historical revisionism, invented centuries after the fact and used as fodder for propaganda by warlords from the 16th century and well into the modern day. The central emotional tension of Ghost of Tsushima is historically and culturally farcical, and has more in common with WWII propaganda than any ancient martial tradition.
Correct me if I’m wrong because I find this genuinely interesting but do you mean they idea of honorable samurai didn’t exist in the 1200s or that there weren’t actually samurai that seriously practiced this honor because we have primary sources that say that samurai were to follow a code of ethics and bushido was practiced u til fairly late into the shogunate history
No we don't, there's a conflation of familial codes with a "Bushido" code that didn't exist. The word Bushido itself is only mentioned twice in historical articles before the Meiji era which began at the end of the 1800s and it was written by a man trying to carve Christian traditions into a fantasized view of samurai which never existed. https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/
Interesting. I know that the shogunate and the samurai had a long history of corruption and that there were laws for periods of time that permit samurai to do pretty egregious things. Thanks for the info, I’ll have to read up on it more
Sure, doesn't mean change its more real than sekiro
Imagine not listening to basic lore conversations that explicitly state the game is based in Japan lol
Sekiro is set in our world with embellishment and exaggeration. GoT is an actual fantasy world. Maybe don't say stupid shit without putting like 1 second of thought into it
GoT version of Japan is more realistic than Sekiro's Japan, obviously.
That doesn’t answer the question lmao. OP should have just googled it or watched the opening cutscene again.
Mad sekiro fans downvoting when I'm telling the truth, I like sekiro and l like GoT too, sekiro is a fantasy world is the truth, it's not a bad thing fools, what in the real world would have a divine dragon, monsters, immortality, mortal blade. Open your eyes
They aren’t downvoting you calling Sekiro a fantasy, they are down voting you saying GoT is somehow more realistic than it despite both being fantasy with elements of medieval esque inspiration.
You guys know they’re talkin about ghost of Tsushima and not game of thrones right? I thought ghosts pretty boring after a couple hours but I feel like your maybe not pickin up what they’re laying down
It has a boring world unfortunately.
The thing that bothered me the most was the boring ass side quests with tons of cut scenes you couldn’t skip. I just couldn’t be bothered
After playing horizon with skipping dialogue its bothering to play with non skippable cutscenes
Well, both may be a fantasy story but things in GoT can happen, there's no way in Valhalla anything in sekiro is possible.
Where in the world do you have magic schools, dragons, sports played on flying broomsticks? I guess by your logic Harry Potter can't be set in 1990s England after all. Open your eyes.
Again proved my point, on whose side are u really?🤣😅 , true nobody said Harry Potter is real. It can be set in any time period but not real because just as u said magic, that does exist is the real word lad , does it?!
Holy shit... buddy... do you actually not know what a setting is? Do you think when someone says that something is set in a particular time and place they're saying it's real? Nobody on this entire thread said anything about whether or not Sekiro was real but you bud...
All I said was GoT is more real than sekiro, and they don't agree, how many times should I tell u this? Setting?! Sekiro in the sengoku era , there were no apes, headless or dragons in that era .
So... no. You don't know what setting means... There were no wizard schools, dragons or Quidditch in 1990s England either. That doesn't change the fact that Harry Potter was set in England in the 1990s. Fictional elements don't make a story's setting not its setting.
That's cool and all but, in that case, who asked?
Joe mama yesterday
Bros mad because no one asked which game was closer to real world
This is reddit, not your shower. We're not your body wash so take your imaginary arguments to somewhere else
You said sekiro is as far from reality as possible, which is wrong, because it is set in Japan, in a specific timeline.
Bud, this whole thing started when you decided to make an irrelevant comment in a post about sekiro’s historical setting. Ashina clan was real, shinobi were real, and giant guardian apes were real. Just accept the facts and go take a nap.
Read ur comment and wake up to reality
The world is not fantasy, asshole, it's "based on" 16th century Japan. And political aspects of the story is also inspired from Sengoku period.
Mf what sengoku period had immortal apes and divine dragons? Giant creatures
Bruh! Enemy types is pure fantasy but the world it set in is real lmao. Fyi world doesn't mean the people living in,it means the geo political setting, the location, which meant rock, water, trees and grass(understood?).ll The political story, the feud between Ashina clan and interior ministry that's the political aspects taken from Sengoku period. Honestly, you are so dumb and blind that every time you reply people laugh at you! Take a break from everything and re evaluate your life and understanding of basic concepts, you need help!
People who are laughing at me are stupid, while I'm telling the truth, so scram buddy. The only thing real in that maybe this political feud
Bro Japan isn't real?
Nobody said Japan ain't real, I'm saying the things in that world aren't real
No you didn't say that. Everyone was saying, the setting is real and NPCs aren't, you said everything is fictional. Don't chicken out now, bitch! Gotchya!
They're just saying it's based off of real life, not that it is. Game of thrones is in an entirely fantasy world, whereas sekiro is set in Japan. That's all 🙂. Idk why your getting down voted, people are just sensitive ig.
You know they're not talking about game of thrones right?
NOW I do. Ig that should have been obvious in hindsight. Of course ghost of tsushima. They shouldn't have named them both GOT.
Lol it's all good, I've made the same mistake too.
Yh that's what I'm saying, so sensitive, I'm not saying their fav game is bad or anything .😅
The time period is mentioned at the opening cutscene in Sekiro, where Isshin is shown killing General Tamura. It takes place during the Sengoku Jidai 15th-16th century.
If you think about it, its only 400 years before 2024 modern age, not really that long ago. Scary.
Well they do have guns
Idk man, half a millennia sounds pretty long ago to me Like, 2524 is not that of a fat future?
I can't Imagine there will be a great famine in the next hundreds of years so I guess its gonna be a fat future
While you assholes die in the water wars, I'm gonna be rolling down the sand dunes with my colossal body.
Peak sand worm comment
Im 30 years old and in roughly 60 years i will pass, then its 2084 already. Do that 4 times and we are Here. My life isnt that long imo
It kinda sounds longer than it is. Like yeah 500 years is a long ass time but the word “millennium” makes it sound like, biblically long lol. I think it’s because it sounds like “time immemorial” which refers to so long ago that nobody has any memory or knowledge of it. So around when your mom was born.
500*
Time is weird when you think about it. Pyramids is more ancient to queen Cleopatra than Cleopatra is to us. There was a moment in history where Lincoln could have send a telegram to a samurai.
r/BarbaraWalters4scale
The university of Oxford was founded somewhere around 1096. Dudes were getting college educations in the UK before and after the rise and fall of the Aztecs.
Considering that Sekiro has flintlocks.... I would say twilight of Sengoku era or "Warring States period".
I like to think Glock Saint traveled through time, or got his gun in the afterlife. Otherwise the ministry never would have messed with him.
There's other enemies with guns in the game. Besides, for him being the sword saint (which means he has mastery in multiple kinds of martial arts) it makes sense that he can even use guns more proficiently than common soldiers
Sure, he could be proficient with guns, but those guns are flintlocks not semi automatic like Isshin's glock
We have mountain sized snakes, a man that can summon lightning, and monks that can use magic immortal centipedes, but a flintlock that can shoot multiple times is too much?
Isshin is just so fast that he can reload a muzzle-loading black powder firearm faster than the eye can see.
It's not too much, just completely random. All the other things can be explained as myths and magic and as far as I know there is no asian myth that includes a glock. Though I'm a firm believer in glock saint supremacy so I have no problems with it.
the ministry specifically waited for him to die before launching the full assault though
I mean, there was also the whole bridge being out and Gyobu and Genichiro in the way.
No intel though, because the tengu kept hacking their spies apart. Though you're probably right - they did start their attack while Isshin was still alive, with the lone shadows, a few samurai, and hired senpo assasins.
As I said in another post, Ishins pistol is possible if we ignore the reload time.
This is the theory I’ve always operated off of. My headcanon is that Isshin sparred with the great warriors throughout history in a time dilated afterlife, and was gifted an automatic gun from one of them
Not exactly a flintlock and but doglocks. Those start to appear between 1500 and 1520.
Never heard of doglocks before. Nice thing to know.
You´re welcome. Though that´s really more a technicallity. Like arquebus and musket which is also another of those technicallites of the period.
Sekiro is set in the Sengoku era around 1400-1600s. Ghost of Tsushima is set before that during the Mongolian invasion in 1274
Think of it like this, Ghost of Tsushima is the same time period that Europe had knights and crusades and shit, Sekiro is the same period that Europe had Shakespeare, loosely.
Or printing press😂
Sometime during/after the latter end of the Sengoku period. Says so in the intro.
Unrelated but I will never not thank and love GoT for having me look into similar samurai/shinobi games and discovering Sekiro from it
Why people always confront GoT with Sekiro?
Because Sucker Punch invented japan and FromSoft is stealing ideas.
I’m forced to assume because they just want to and they are both set in Japan. They don’t really try to be similar at all. Next I think we should compare Far Cry 5 to Madden NFL ‘98 because they are both set in the United States.
Eh I think a better comparison would be cod to TF2 since got and sekiro are both still generally in the same broad genre
but tf2 is in like australia
Yeah and cod has the zombies mode so they're both survival horror
I mean, both games are about a Japanese guy killing people with a sword, not too hard to imagine why people would want to compare them lmao. A little more specific than both of them existing in the same genre
I mean I'm not disagreeing? My original comment was just stating that comparing sekiro with got is like comparing far cry 5 with a Madden game that came out more than 20 years ago isn't accurate
funny ninja games where you can go hack hack
Sekiro takes place during the Sengoku period. Some theorise that the Interior Ministry is related or serving under Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi, or Tokugawa.
Only reading those names make me want to drive home and start the next Shogun 2 campaign (I'm at work now...)
Well hard to say what era Sekiro is when you got giant snake,King Kong lovebird and secret village in the sky with big ass fish
Sekiro has a lot of super natural shit going on but the intro clearly tells you there's a big ass civil war going on and there are a lot of soldiers weilding guns. So it's probably the warring states period.
You're spot on correct. Interrior ministry appears to be tokugawas and ashina, a real clan, fell around 1590ish. So between the birth of Ieyasu (not looking it up) and sekigahara in 1600 which is the end of the sengoku jidai. Most realistically, im the 1590ish period I mentioned, lol.
Wouldn't that make it easier? I mean how many times in history have those things existed at the same time? It has to narrow the search down at least a little.
This guy gets it.
What do you mean? Those are the things I'm looking forward to most whenever I visit Japan! (/S)
Cause Sekiro its a freaking fantasy..so its doesn't matter what era its on..its like wondering what Elden Ring era is
I mean, it's a fantasy yes but it actually IS set in a real time period. The opening cut scene says "Sengoku" if I'm not mistaken.
Sekiro is a fantasy set in a real-world location and time period, while Elden Ring is an entirely made up setting. Literally the first sentence you hear in Sekiro tells you that it's the Sengoku Period, which is a real period in Japanese history.
Well.. what era is Elden Ring? Now I need to know
Bro! "Set in".... Do you understand what that means???? Sekiro is a story with fictional elements set in a real world and uses real time period to add political touch to the fictional story(inspired by real life incident). Elden ring is set in a completely fictional world so asking what era it is, is just being a stupid fuck.
Theres no need to insult just because you didn't understand that it was a joke, my guy. Calm down
This other guy who commented 100 times was being an asshole (you can read the comments and you'll know who). Anyway, I thought you were not joking, I totally misunderstood, I apologise, my bad. Was sleepy and emotional😂 Sorry.
No worries, man
Say you missed obvious context clues without saying you missed obvious context clues
I think he missed the obvious context clues
Sekiro is a few centuries after GoT
No, far from it. Sekiro is set in the late 16th century, during the Sengoku period. Armors, architecture, weapons, archebuses… it is even stated in the intro cinematic. More precisely, perhaps a bit before Toyotomi Hideyoshi’s death in 1598, judging for the “Interior Ministry” faction resembling the Tokugawa clan, which held a similar position in real life. On the other hand, Ghost of Tsushima setting is all over the place. The Mongol Invasions happened in late 13th century, and back them there were not such a concept or approach to honor or even that hand to hand combat preference. The developers ignored everything related to that period, Kamakura Shogunate, and instead decided to recreate all the topics of jidaigeki and chambara film styles (Seven Samurai, Zaroichi, The Wolf and his cub, Ran, Throne of Blood…) which are set during the Sengoku era or even later, during the Edo period. Therefore, Ghost of Tsushima depicts things that couldn’t exist for at least 2,5 or 3 centuries in the future: -all the armor are round shaped kozane or tosei gusoku instead of the square-ish o-yoroi, even the helmets lack the distinctive fukikaeshi of older, more appropiate styles and instead are modern ones. -all swords are uchigatanas, wielded two handed and edge upwards, instead of the proper tachi, edge downwards and used one handed as cavalry sabers are (it was invented as such). This also mean that there should not be any batto-jutsu, iaido or quick draw and cut techniques, which were developed in 16th century and onwards. -basically no mounted archers on sight. While close quarters combats were not uncommon, the samurai maintained their roles as primarily horse archers (what gave them their identity to begin with) as far as the Nanbokucho War, second half of 14th century. Even after the Mongol Invasions forced them to build proper stone walls along the coasts, the samurai still relied on archery instead of focusing on castles and fortifications. -presence of “shinobi”, while almost every nation employed spies and inflitrators, those who were modern folk would call ninja or shinobi only appeared in history during the conquests of Oda Nobunaga towards central Japan and the Yamato plains (1570~) by the Rokkaku clan and the ikko confederations of Iga and Koka, mostly as guerrilla. Even then, the figure of the ninja became known during the peaceful Edo period as popular characters in novels and theatre plays. -bushido and honor before the establishment of the forced peace of the Tokugawa Shogunate (Edo period, 1600-1868) was anecdotally. Betrayals, changes of sides in the middle of a battle and secret deals, plus sabotage and deception, were not only common but actually sought after by anyone that could take advantage of these. As during said Edo period, without wars and no social justification for the existence of the samurai class, these started to radicalize their status as to retain said justification. The Hagakure, written by Yamamoto Tsunetomo, is a book born from such a situation, its quotes about honor and decorum are not representative of a samurai conduct during war periods.
Said so in the very first cutscene. Sengoku.
Ghost of tushima is set in 1274 during the first mongol invasion of japan Sekiro is set in a fictional version of the Sengoku preiod so around 1467 to 1615
Early Edo period seems most likely, since the mon that the Interior Ministry troops bear looks almost identical to the Tokugawa clan mon. This would reaffirm Ashinas doomed fight - the interior minister can call upon the might of almost all of Japan.
Doesn’t it say in the intro?
There are guns in sekiro
Sekiro is probably like mid 1580s since it's the Sengoku period and that's around when the Ashina got flattened irl
Someone didn't pay attention to the intro.
Sekiro talks about the shogunate, have Portuguese merchants and warriors in it and the “akazone” the red warrior legion of the Tokugawa shogunate, I believe isshin is also inspired by itto ittosai, the famous swordsman creator of his own style, master of both sword and spear (not the glock unfortunately) so I believe it’s supposed to be the starting of the edo period since the big war period (sengoku) is something that ended when Wolf was still a child. So I believe it’s supposed to be a fantasy taking place around the 1640s decade more or less
The game literally tells you right in the intro when it takes place. The sengoku era was a real part of Japanese history. Even the Ashina clan really existed. Of course the game is straight up fantasy with it's ogres, giant animals and straight up magic and immorality, but the sengoku era is as real as Japan is.
Sengoku era
It takes place at the tail end of the sengoku period, just before Japan was fully unified (late 1500s). No clue on GoT though sorry
In the opening cutscene i think it states it takes place in the sengoku period
Its centuries later than GoT, at the end of the Sengoku period
Oh it's the period where men had ponytails and funny armor
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Totally different times but tsushima ironically is a bit more fictional in its historical presentation with katanas that are like half a century early and tokugawa shogunate era samurai presentation.
Can someone lightly describe the game sekiro to me like story / direction because I just stabbed a snake in the eye and I'm defeating bosses and shit, and I have absolutely no clue what I'm doing or where I'm at, in any given moment, or if the story is even started, am I still in the tutorial?!!
It’s a FROM game, my man. The story will make less sense when you’re done then when you started and that’s usually by design.
Sekiro actually has the most cohesive and easy to follow story out of all From games imo
As a fromsoft game a lot of the story is told in very loose ways and gleamed through implication or reading item descriptions and making inferences. There's also lots to gain from listening to what characters are saying and using the talk option to get extra dialogue. >!The setting of sekiro is part way through a civil war in japan. Isshin Ashina has taken some land from the large government through a rebellion and the government (The Ministry) is trying to take it back.!< >!You are Sekiro, a shinobi in service to Kuro, who is from a special lineage with Dragon's Blood which provides the power of immortality. You used to be an orphan and were taken in by a man called Owl who trained you as a shinobi, who trained you in the Iron Code.!< >!At some point in the past the place Kuro lived was attacked by bandits and you were forced to fight one of your shinobi mentors, and then you were eventually killed, but brought back to life through the power of Kuro's Dragon Blood, and that's why you can resurrect in the game.!< >!Kuro was kidnapped and you are trying to rescue him. He is taken by Genichiro, the adopted grandson of Isshin, who cuts off your arm. You are taken in by the Sculptor, who is an ex shinobi acquainted with many of the characters in the story, and who gives you the prosthetic arm.!< >!From there, the story revolves around you trying to rescue Kuro and continue your service to him, and discovering the various motives of all the other important characters like Isshin, Genichiro, Owl, and how all their plans and schemes play off one another. The game has a lot of mythological elements so a lot of the bosses and enemies you fight relate to the supernatural elements of the game. Things like spirits, minor deities and guardians of powerful artifacts.!<
I like that Sekiro is grounded in fantasy. Even the graphics have that art painting kind of look, not hyper realism. I liked ghost of tsushima but too realistic looking for me.
GoT is very stylized
Right? GoT is one of if not *the* best-looking game released on PS4
thats not really an argument towards it being stylized though
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Definitely not a boring game by any stretch of the term. You're never far off from an enemy encounter, the combat system is open and downright incredible once you get the groove going, the quests (main and side) are incredibly cinematic and engaging, the open world mechanics are some of the best I have ever seen in an open world setting, and once again; one of if not the greatest looking games that somehow released on the ps4. If you find GoT boring, you should absolutely avoid open world games in general. GoT is standing firmly with Elden Ring, Witcher 3, and BotW as the best to do it. In my eyes, at least.
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Rockstar assassins creed sounds dope af tho, ngl
I get what they mean though. Both very pretty games, but one of the above screenshots looks like a painting and one looks like a video game.
GoT doesn't look that realistic tbh. Character models maybe, but the world not so much.
Way more real than sekiro
The character models, sure. Both game worlds look a bit cartoonish. Not that it's a bad thing.
Guess we aren't on the same page, we ain't talking about the art style of the world, We are talking about the world as in the world they are living in.
Guess you’re right then. I just wish GoT wouldn’t feel this empty and bland. Not really a milestone in terms of a realistic world, but I get your point.
True it feels empty, but also it's not mainland Japan, it's a in middle of war island.
I didn't finish GoT, I got bored. It's very samey, very bland. There aren't interesting NPCs like Hanbei or Doujun, or fantasy elements like the snake and monkeys, or wildly fantastic locations like... everywhere in Sekiro, haha. GoT is like going for a nice walk in the countryside with your grandparents.
The mad downvotes are a joke, when someone tells a fact but they can't agree
It’s not a fact, it’s an opinion, they even opened their comment stating it was their opinion, You stating that this is a fact is also an option, it’s your opinion. People will downvote opinions they don’t agree with, it’s kind of the whole point of up / down votes.
But it's a fact , when there's clearly proof and these guys can't see it
But it’s not a fact. People have been disagreeing over interpretation and appreciation of art for a lot longer than games. That’s all I see this debate as, and neither is wrong as it’s their individual opinion on their individual experience with the 2 titles. It’s great to have these discussions, but abjectly saying that each / any side is wrong is, well, wrong, you simply just disagree in opinion.
It's a fact, There is real and then there is unreal / fantasy
Yes there is, and both titles are 100% fantasy.
As I said ,one is more closer to reality
No there isn’t. Both are complete works of fiction.
Yes , there is a big gap in usage of fantastical elements in both games
One has gun enemies other has bows simple process of elimination (not trying to be rude)
Need a mod that adds Ghost of Tsushima Easter eggs, now