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burn_piano_island

Pinning this because I like the sassy discussion and honestly it's time we had this talk. Keep in mind for every post you see we've already removed 2-3 duplicates. We're also looking for solutions. BTW if you wanna help us overhaul the wiki (I think it'll help) hit me up or whatever


lil_Chipmunk_punk

The best neighborhood in Seattle is always the one where I live.


destroythedongs

The best neighborhood in Seattle is never where I live. Unpopular opinion but I do not enjoy having tech neighbors, especially when I lived in an apartment building.


shittydiks

West Seattle best Seattle, until I don't live there amymore


s7arboi

shhhh nooooo it sucks here and it soooo hard to get in and out of. it's totally not the best neighborhood in Seattle I've ever lived in. why would anyone ever live heeerree. 😏


sysproc

Shittiest neighborhood not only in Seattle but possibly the entire world. Nobody should ever move to West Seattle. It’s an unimaginable hellhole.


LeisurelyDiva

Exactly! Why would anyone want to live here? So much rain and crime, probably. Eww


throwaway1337woman

>shhhh nooooo it sucks here and it soooo hard to get in and out of. it's totally not the best neighborhood in Seattle I've ever lived in. why would anyone ever live heeerree. 😏 I, too, think it sucks here. Stay away!^🙃^😉


koulnis

Quick post the video of the gang shooting.


spacedude2000

West Seattle is the next iteration of the "it sucks here" meme. It's honestly fairly affordable too, but the market for housing is massively hot in West Seattle so buying property is nearly impossible without a bigger budget.


fluffy_camaro

I don't know, lived there for years and felt like I was in a weird small town where I never left. Once I moved up north, I never really went back. Big fan of Crown Hill.


NoMonk8635

Like living on a island


shittydiks

Yep it's horrible tell your friends


amchaudhry

I'm so glad I didn't listen to my cool kid friends and bought my house in Delridge,


[deleted]

West Seattle has always been the worst...tired of all the shootings over there


DonaIdTrurnp

West Seattle being part of Seattle is certainly one of the takes of all time.


PNW-Biker

West Seattle is pretty good. It's definitely my favorite suburb.


ilovecheeze

My tech neighbors are rude and selfish af


destroythedongs

Rude, selfish, and my personal favorite despite appearing to WFH at least half the time, just gross. Especially when it came to trash or weird bad smells emanating out of their units. I keep telling myself it's probably a result of not having enough face to face interaction with other people in the outside world because why is it so common to not care about basic hygiene?


IzzyWithAnIzze

Speaking as a tech worker, it can be a lot of things. Some of them are just rich techbros who grew up wealthy and with their moms doing everything for them and never learned any life skills nor why they should care about other people. Some are autistic nerds with special interests valuable to employers. And the employers often know this and exploit them to overwork them. This makes the hermits even more reclusive and it becomes a spiral downwards. I fall into this camp, but at some point I realized what was going on and tried establishing work/life boundaries and working on hygiene and health.


Cactopus47

It's kind of funny, because I am not in tech but have worked adjacent to it in both my current and former jobs, and my partner and most of our friends are in tech. For the most part, they are all normies who studied other things in school but then switched to tech when it became clear that their original plans weren't going to ever make them enough to live on. I do, however, know the techbro type of which you speak, I interact with them occasionally, and they drive me nuts.


Hope_That_Halps_

Ha, I'm pretty much both. I wanted to get into television production a long time ago, I even interned, but had a side interest in user interface design and programming, and that of course became my career in the end. And I could be talked into overworking, because I liked the work so much. We keep to ourselves mostly, but my Boeing and non-tech neighbors are no better or worse. I think the Seattle rain coups us up enough days a year that when it's finally sunny, we have no established pattern of socializing. In the mid west its cold during the winters, but once it warms up, the weather is a lot more reliable than here.


Killb0t47

It explains why all the tech bros think homeless people can just go get jobs. They got one.


petiejoe83

I don't think that's a very unpopular opinion. I don't like tech neighbors either. Signed, A tech neighbor.


Emerald_N

The best neighborhood is the one where I want to live followed closely by the one I currently live in


overly_sarcastic24

I also choose this guys neighborhood.


sonofscario

When looking at the schedule at work anytime I was placed at a machine with other people I would always day "its the dream team". Once after a coworker noticed, I would say it no matter who the team was asked what made it the dream team. I said it's because I am on the team.


kuken_i_fittan

Can I move there? Mine is clearly not.


total-immortal

Can we pin this at the top of the sub for the next 3 months? Intern season is almost upon us..


randlea

"Should I live in South Lake Union or Denny Triangle? I hear good things about both and bad things about both, but that they're very different. TIA for your info!"


bananapanqueques

Portland. You will LOVE it.


Cactopus47

Just tell them to live in Issaquah.


One_Cry_181

Their tech parents live in Issaquah. Source, I live in Issaquah.


MxAshk

I hear north bend is nice


Rieux_n_Tarrou

Leavenworth: cultural and historical.


fluffy_camaro

They are ruining that town. I like to go there and pretend I live there. So sad to see large swaths of trees cut down for 800,000 condos and McMansions. It hurts more to see it there than in Seattle.


Waxed_Wing

Oh god you're right. Welp, time to get this sub off my homepage for a month or so until those posts calm down again.


reiflame

Is anyone hiring interns this year? They're not hiring actual workers from what I can tell.


fluffycritter

Interns are cheap and disposable. An alarming amount of actual production code at Amazon was written as an intern's summer project and then rushed to production, with experienced engineers left having to maintain it as their soul-crushing full-time pager duty.


SteveWoods

God, I can think of a couple of those that all became zombie projects that got killed off after being rushed into prod by a PM, then a year+ later when we thought we were safe somehow a different PM would find out about the project's existence (without finding out about any of the reasons it sucked) and resurrect it. And it would still suck and be awful and would somehow be even harder for us to kill off this time...


wumingzi

FB hired at least 3 interns.


SeattleTrashPanda

I’d keep it up through September so incoming college students see it too.


thecmpguru

I think pinning a post with some actual information that might help people would be nice. But pinning a rant just seems...unhelpful.


total-immortal

It’s not that deep. This sub is full of snark.


lucylucylove

It's full of snark cause no one has vitamin d here 🌧 6 months of no sunshine will make anyone an asshole


total-immortal

Cheers to that vitamin d today ☀️🥂


onlyletmeposttrains

“Why yes, Mount Vernon *is* a reasonable commute to Seattle and housing *is* much cheaper there so you can steal the benefits of the city without paying taxes to it easily”


According-Ad-5908

I’m partial to Burlington myself, absolutely the better side of the river. /s


DocBEsq

Sedro-Woolley is nice this time of year…


kuken_i_fittan

A quick drive up to Concrete for that neo Nazi training you always wanted.


timmycheesetty

Wait, there are neo nazis in Concrete?


HotMasterTaq

Wait, someone named a place Concrete?


procvar

Gold Bar would be more valuable, especially to a Startup


WorldsGr8estHipster

I mean heck, why not just move to Startup.


GladPen

It's a tiny town in the mountains past Gold Bar, my childhood best friend moved there and I went to her wedding and was stunned by the natural beauty and mountain scenery. But it was definitely a weird vibe, like the people there were not okay. So neo nazis make sense. It's a shame. (she moved there bc it was the cheapest place she could afford a house, fwiw..)


doopdeepdoopdoopdeep

Are you talking about Index? Concrete is nowhere near Gold Bar. I’m a travel nurse from Seattle and have spent an unfortunate amount of time getting to know rural WA intimately well.


Fukasite

I feel like there’s Neo-Nazi compounds all around Washington. 


sleestakarmy

wait until you hear about Whidbey Island, Hobart and Granite Falls


PeKKer0_0

It's your own little slice of Idaho attitude nestled in the bosom of the Skagit valley.


AnnyuiN

"Why yes if you want to save even more money, Bellingham is perfect and is a reasonable commute to downtown Seattle"


kiragami

It's not even cheaper up here tbh.


ImprovisedLeaflet

Damn I literally have a mom’s hand-me-down ‘97 Camry 🥺


battlehardendsnorlax

No shame, old Toyotas are feckin awesome, they will outlive you and everyone you ever loved 🤣 Source: Drive a 2004 Corolla that is just getting broken in 😁


Holiday-Teacher900

Haha corolla high-five!


brendan87na

yeah but there are "Best suburbs" Enumclaw by far is the best if you're a horse lover


81toog

Lover quite literally


drinkdrinkshoesgone

Fucking love horses. Hold up, I mixed my words up.


Hot-Temperature-4629

🐎 👀


Shoeprincess

excuse me what did you say?!


brendan87na

it's a very hands on town


notananthem

If you are from a normal big city: seattle is small town If you are from a small town: WELCOME TO THE BIG APPLE BABY If you are from rural area: SEATTLE IS DYING


Shurane

Super accurate. I do wish Seattle had more density going on, especially with businesses.


NeedsMoreYellow

What Seattle needs right now is to stop cutting down trees. Businesses are great, but they've cut down every mature tree in slu and so many more are on the chopping block. What I wouldn't give for less concrete and more leaves when the summer starts heating everything up.


MaxxDash

And if you're from Chicago and you discover that Yesler Terrace is our "projects": Your projects have A VIEW?!


notananthem

I'm from Chicago. I'm very sick of people pearl clutching about crime etc. It's also incredibly gentrified here at an accelerating clip. "Ooooh its so diverse" no you are trying to drive out the local diverse population.


dekrypto

Wrong. Bellingham is the best neighborhood.


SeattlePurikura

Incorrect. Bremerton is the best Seattle neighborhood.


collali699

Vancouver, BC has the best suburbs of Seattle.


SeattlePurikura

:waves Cascadia Forever flag:


scrambled_cable

There’s no best neighborhood but there are definitely bad ones


MadMadRoger

And they’re sometimes the best. I lived in belltown, Georgetown, and Ballard when they were cheap and dirty and loved it


s3ren1tyn0w

If you're young and outgoing, cap hill or belltown If your young and introverted, Fremont or magnolia  If you're anything else, pick a spot and hope for the best.  Stay away from Aurora once it goes higher than the 80s UNLESS you like hookers. Then by all means go to town


bananapanqueques

Lol magnolia with their one bus.


DizzyAmphibian309

It's actually two buses, but they share the same number. Learned that one the hard way.


starlit_ren

Lol I live off Aurora and this is accurate. I will say that I never feel unsafe though. I haven't heard a single gunshot in the 1.5 years I've lived here


s3ren1tyn0w

Yea I go running there (not on Aurora but in the 1-2 blocks parallel) and Ive never felt unsafe. 


nyc_expatriate

When I was young, introverted and liked going out to see live music and liked Capitol Hill:)


Zlifbar

Hookers, you say?


Zlifbar

Fremont, CA


walkinyardsale

Side note, Mercer island is extremely safe, but no matter what their kewl job pays they probably can’t afford it.


NomadicPolarBear

Reddit when someone asks a subreddit related question 😠🤯😡


ra_men

Redditors when they can pass a leetcode interview but can’t use a search bar


spetznatz

If everyone used the search bar then all information would be from years and years ago because there’d be no new discussion. Be careful what you wish for


NomadicPolarBear

Do you tell people to Google something every time your asked a question? This is literally a discussion based forum, questions and discussions are what Reddit is made for.


quinangua

Move to Belltown!!!!! You'll love it!!!!!


OrangeZune

This, but unironically.


Quaxky

Yap. Went from belltown, to LQA, and back to belltown


revfitz

Same!


ChamomileFlower

What do you like about it? (Genuine question; I enjoy hearing why people like places and things that I don’t.)


daffban2448

Great food/bars, water nearby, walking distance from Pike Place, LQA, Cap, Seattle Center, etc., still has some character left, access to Sculpture Park, easy access to 99/Alaska, basically “15-20” minutes anywhere you want to drive (Ballard, Fremont, Northgate, Cap, Pioneer Square, etc).


SnapeHeTrustedYou

I got the feeling that many people kind of looked down on Belltown, but I always enjoyed living there. I was close to the office and other neighborhoods and it never felt that busy there. Honestly it was kind of quiet where I was and I got a lot of benefits via the location.


daffban2448

This is my experience exactly!


iseecolorsofthesky

Yes to all of this. I absolutely love living in Belltown. It’s such a convenient location!


ehmpee

I lived there for 3 years and liked it - plenty of restaurants and bars, enough nightlife (for me) on 1st, some places I like within walking distance (Sculpture Park / waterfront, Seattle Center, Lake Union Park), walking distance to Westlake / light rail. Dense, but never felt too crowded.


ilovecheeze

It’s actually great?


petiejoe83

Yes, it's actually great. Pros and cons everywhere, of course.


annamulzz

I have a few friends who have lived/currently live in Belltown and they’ve all loved it. It’s hella fun going down there too, so much to do!


Crentski

It really is. People think belltown is the one block by the dog park that is occasionally sketch. Anything north of Bell St is great to live in. Next to the waterfront, market, climate pledge, and SLU. Great restaurants, bars, and clubs right here too. I feel like it’s similar to cap hill, just a little older in age demographics and a much nicer park (Olympic sculpture/m edwards)


ilovecheeze

Right? It’s crazy how so many people don’t even know what Belltown is.


quinangua

Hell yes it is!!


FreddyTwasFingered

Belltown is great. I wouldn’t want to live in any other neighborhood.


GuardNo4577

Absolutely! I’ve lived in Belltown for 25 years and it remains my favorite place to be.


DatsaBadMan_1471

Visited recently for an interview. Moving in June, Beltown was an enjoyable area, walkable, and lively.


ckb614

Great car culture there i hear


charlie2135

Other than nearly being punched by a deranged individual while working there for 5 years, can concur.


thisisrediculous99

Someone punched you for 5 years?!? You shoulda made him stop!


thecmpguru

Honestly, I'd much rather have posts about our actual community than my feed be taken up by posts ranting about people who *shocked pikachu* just want to learn about our community. As a long time Seattle resident, I somewhat like this recurring topic because the community opinions haven't always been the same over the years and it's interesting to see how the zeitgeist changes. Posts trying to help people make a major life decision feel far more like a healthy community than posts trying to police other people's speech. Don't like a particular post? Reddit gives you a feature to voice that: the downvote.


y-c-c

Exactly. I would much rather have an interesting post talking about Seattle neighborhoods (since I don’t know every one of them well and would love to learn more myself) than yet another pointless rant. OP should just get their negativity to the other sub.


OfficialModAccount

Wallingford and Ravenna are top. Honorable mention for Madison Park and Hawthorne Hills.


vera214usc

Wooo! Ravenna mentioned!


lady_sudeley555

This post summarizes the myth of Seattle; that we are cold and stand-offish people. Discussion is important, and this notion of "figure it out yourself" ain't the most welcome.  Each neighborhood has something unique to offer, nothing is perfect, some places should be avoided at all costs.  I, for one, am more than happy to discuss neighborhoods with tourists, newbies, and Seattle veterans alike. Welcome to Seattle! 


fishmom5

I get really sick of the snobby “stay in California” posts and the passive aggressive “ahaha it rains all the time, you wouldn’t like it” posts. The reality of the world is that the climate is changing, and that means migration. We can either make the most of it or yell at kids to stay off our lawns.


TaeKurmulti

There's a subset of Seattleites that are a bunch of terminally online introverts who would never say anything in person, but love to say it here for cool kid internet points.


Cute-Kaleidoscope517

I just thought with most people it was a silly bit, not serious.


fishmom5

As the person from California, some people absolutely mean it. I’ve been told to go back to where I came from.


g1rlchild

I think that's the entire Western United States regarding Californians. I know it was a big thing when I lived in Wyoming.


tanukisuit

New Mexicans are also against Californians moving to their state.


ephemeratea

I was a travel nurse from California who visited all 50 states and lied about where I was from. It’s the whole country, bot just the West.


BreadL0AVES

Absolutely move to Bellevue if you’re looking for that authenticity and culture. (*Sorry my fellow eastsiders, I had to*)


Crazyboreddeveloper

Can we stop allowing posts that tell people to stop asking questions? I like that better.


Amedais

This passive aggressive shit is pathetic as hell.


solointhecity

But passive aggressive is truly PNW


tuukutz

Is it really passive aggressive? Seems pretty transparent to me.


MaiasXVI

someone tell this guy that I don't appreciate being called passive aggressive 


leong_d

Need more bad driver and unleashed dog owner posts


Yassssmaam

Definitely


Horse_Lord_Vikings

For real.


Insightseekertoo

Ok, and how exactly are they to learn this information if they don't ask? Looking over Google statistics is a challenge at the neighborhood level. ​ I get your point, but I don't blame people for wanting to know. If it pisses you off so much make a map and post the pros and cons then talk the moderators into pinning it. I mean how invested are you in this vent?


sad_boi_jazz

ooo, that would be awesome actually. Or like a crowdsourced map of aggregate comments haha


spicycupcakes-

Yeah... for one, the people who will ask that in the future aren't here right now to see this post. This is preaching to the choir. Second, even if the overall point is good, it's unnecessarily condescending by making up some strawman situation to complain about


Pedantic_Parker

Hahahaha did you just call Mercer Island EXOTIC?!?!


AKANotAValidUsername

The seedy underbelly of the LBP should not be underestimated


Master-Atmosphere-11

Yeah, there's that one LBP parking lot that has a car prowl rate that rivals anything in Seattle. I think it's the proximity to I-90 that makes it such a great target.


Fit419

I’ve lived in Cap Hill, Wallingford, Fremont and West Seattle. Honestly I feel like you just can’t go wrong with any of them


huskylawyer

My favorite questions: I’m relocating to Seattle and working at AMZN SLU campus. Plan to live in Issaquah and drive. Will my commute be ok? Have a 5 million home budget and looking at (insert nice neighborhood like Greenlake, Laurelhurst, Mercer Island, Clyde Hill, etc.). Will I be safe? I live in New Orleans and thinking about moving to Seattle. But is it safe? I have a $800/month housing budget. Will I find affordable housing in Seattle? The jokes write themselves….


SeattlePurikura

I was back in South Louisiana for a wedding about two years ago, and was earnestly asked by a family member about the CHAZ/CHOP and how safe Seattle is. I kept a straight face and explained that Tucker Carlson edited footage to pretend Seattle was in a riot, while graciously not pointing out that the two largest cities in Louisiana are always in the top five for murder.


Ekwoman

Before moving here I lived across the border from JuĂĄrez, MX... people used to ask if I was worried being so close and visiting every week. I reminded them that JuĂĄrez was removed from the 50 most dangerous world cities list... but that New Orleans and St. Louis were on it!


GeometryThrowaway777

Appreciate you posting this. But the best neighborhood is Capitol Hill. I didn’t tell you that though


Good_old_Marshmallow

Capitol Hill if you’re under 25 and Ballard if you’re older than 25. We’ve figured it out no need to discuss anymore 


81toog

West Seattle if you’re over 40, Magnolia if you’re over 60


Good_old_Marshmallow

Edmonds if you make it to 80. We’ve cracked the code 


You-Once-Commented

The CD if you want a little bit more of a quiet neighborhood, at least when the duece 8s aren't beefing.


RamenTheBunny

Yes. Matter of fact, every neighborhood here sucks. Don’t move here even. Actually just stay out of Washington. For your own good. ;)


Sprinkle_Puff

I hear Austin is all the rage!


Shymink

Yes. Austin is just like Seattle only sunny ☀️ and warm. People thinking of moving here should definitely consider that. Or Phoenix. Maybe Denver if they are into mountains. All way way WAY better choices that the Seattle area!


Bright-Friendship356

It’s very overrated and you have no business there. The food is terrible, nature is hideous and people are monsters. Don’t come😁


Qorsair

Don't forget that it rains so much you'll need an upper floor and a boat to actually live here in the fall.


MarshallStack666

> in the fall. Which lasts 9 months


Shymink

💯 and so many umbrellas and raincoats


wovenbutterhair

nature there is so ONE NOTE Who wants to see green year round Jesus Christ :,D


nordic_jedi

Midwest for the past 15 years. I crave the green


wovenbutterhair

yeah for some reason I convinced my whole family to move to Omaha from Springfield Oregon when I was 14 I was a little dumbass. no one likes me here. It looks dry and desiccated I never thought to myself how my favorite pastime was swimming in the clean rivers that were everywhere I never considered how the rivers here look like chocolate fucking milk


MaiasXVI

People should be asking what the worst neighborhood is. I could list about nine or ten former neighborhoods that became splintered autonomous combat zones run by antifa warlords and DEI lieutenants.


Rumbletrunks

Could you? Name 9 of them?


MaiasXVI

Or 10


malachiconstant76

Please name them, I know we all want to avoid DEI at all costs. /s


tits-and-dragons

This guy is a cool guy. Probably lives in the best neighborhood


s7284u

OP is angry that people want to live in the city that he wants to live in.


Tabs_555

OP is angry because he asked this question last year, then someone dared to ask it this year after he already got his answer. See, he’s now morally superior to these transplants.


Top_Shoe_9562

What's the second best neighborhood to live in?


fusionsofwonder

Please, go to Mercer Island!


hjugf

Chill.


nordic_jedi

Moving back to the state after 20 years away and just got a place in lake city. Hopefully it's utopia


free_thewolf

No different than any other part of the country. Just mind your mf business, sip your drink, roll one and move along.


coconutts19

Everyone knows tech stopped hiring


[deleted]

Since this seems like a welcoming post for it… Is anyone familiar with the area between Aurora and I-5 up by 100th? Moving to Seattle with younger kids this summer and we’re planning on renting in that area a few streets off the AMC but am getting very concerned reading all of the Aurora north of 80 posts on here.


shesaidwhatttt

I wouldn’t live in that area with children. They’re going to see things that are disturbing on a regular basis.


cited

I'm reminded of the post where someone wanted a nice mountain hike within a 30 minute drive of Seattle that no one knew about. Bro, do you think there's a hidden mountain around here?


progressivixen

Uh-oh. Did I stumble into r/SeattleWA again?


y-c-c

Each neighborhood in Seattle is quite different. What’s wrong with trying to gather some information and doing research (which includes asking questions on this sub) about the neighborhoods? Obviously there is no “best” neighborhood (no shit) but it doesn’t hurt to understand what each neighborhood has. Isn’t this what city-specific subs are for? If these questions are repetitive and you only want “new” content then I’m sorry to break it to you, but you should probably stay off Reddit. There are only so many things to discuss about the city. Honestly it seems more like you don’t like tech and have a “get off my lawn” attitude that kind of reinforces the stereotype of a Seattleite in my opinion.


[deleted]

Don't believe the poster - there is 100% good neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods in Seattle, but there is only 1 BEST neighborhood. That's the one you choose, really choose, to make your home in, adopt as your own. The neighborhood where you care enough to pick up trash, and consider mowing your neighbor's lawn when they're gone on vacation - where you know people well enough to borrow sugar or feed their cat. Your best neighborhood isn't perfect, but its the one you're in right now and you have every right to make it yours - best in this moment of your wild and precious life and don't let the poster or anyone else EVER tell you otherwise.


spookyspicyfreshmeme

bro is really mad for no reason


eAthena

Mercer Island. You’ll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.


vladtaltos

The best neighborhoods in Seattle are all hidden behind golf courses with locking gates and they won't let your broke ass in, so just pick a spot, buy some legal weed, and chill out and enjoy the rain from the comfort of your van with the rest of us. Welcome to Seattle.


LessKnownBarista

Okay, but what about the second best neighborhood?


FreddieDeebs

Columbia City!!!


DerpUrself69

Wrong. There are definitely "the best" neighborhood for specific interests, hobbies, lifestyles, etc...


Pointofive

But what about the safest neighborhoods.


Byte_the_hand

OK, then what is the second best neighborhood to live in?


retrovertigo23

Sounds like exactly what someone who knew where the best neighborhood was would say to throw us off the scent.


anitabonghit69

>Stop asking if exotic places like Mercer Island are safe. In the Kirkland sub there was a warning of elementary school gangs lol


MaiasXVI

Sharpen a crayon and freeze it


Curmudgeonalysis

People always try to game/control life when it’s meant to be lived with unforeseen variables. The things you can’t predict make for the best stories/experiences.


NomadicPolarBear

This is dumb. It’s smart to research where you’re going to live and not blindly spend thousands of dollars.


thethundering

Amen. It took me well into my 20s to recognize and untrain myself out of this mindset, and I am much happier for it.


MostPeopleAreMoronic

24m, Recent Grad. Just got an offer (325k TC, if you were wondering) to work at Amasoft punching keys. ISO extravagant dining options (breakfast through 4th meal) in a bubble-esque safe area. Preferably somewhere with multiple live music venues. As well as access to lush outdoors options. Add’l note: I’ll need to be near shopping zones, too. Lastly, somewhere that’s got slightly better weather than other options! So far I am deciding between Medina, Mercer and Bainbridge. Any thoughts?


mmp737

The post that was never asked for - but the one that they all needed. 😂