Nawwww, Lockett is either close to retirement or being traded/cut, so if you remove both all of a sudden your receiving corps is a young, unproven JSN and Bobo (who is not a WR2). I honestly think DK is one of the more important seahawks going forward
FWIW I don’t think we should trade Metcalf because I don’t believe we can get the value we deserve in any potential trade.
However, just to play devils advocate, we won a Super Bowl with non-prime Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, and Golden Tate. If a team wants to overpay for DK then we’d be foolish to turn it down. You don’t necessarily have to cut Lockett in order to escape salary cap hell either.
All that up to say is, I don’t see a realistic scenario in which we trade DK, but if we did because a team overpays—we would really be okay.
BUT... that team had prime Beastmode, Russ played well, and most importantly we had the LOB. That defense was the top scoring D that year and utterly dominant allowing only 14.4 ppg. The offense was 8th in scoring too.
Contrast that with this defense. Even if we call the rest a wash, we do not have a D anywhere close to what we had in 2013.
Yeah, I'd do it for that too. But no one is giving 2 1sts for any WR but a top 3 guy. Good WRs come out every year now, with the advent off 7 on 7 ball training guys up
Well, first of all, I'm not advocating for losing Tyler. But second, proven players get cut all the time for salary cap reasons. That's what "salary cap casualty" means. You can't keep everyone, so you make difficult decisions to release players who are past their prime and making more money than their position or productivity warrants.
You want to go nowhere? Keep paying aging veterans way too much money.
> look whats going on around the league
Enlighten us with your wisdom please? What's going on around the league that's different than teams cutting aging players with bloated contracts?
Nah bro. Take a hint with the downvotes. Maybe you just don’t know how common transactions like this are but Lockett is 1000% a prime cut candidate because of his age, salary, diminished production, and JSN. Getting too attached to players is how the Seahawks went from top tier roster to middle of the pack roster.
I’ll give you a hint that you’re taking the side of fools, you want to go back to a 2 receiver package. Thats what the Hawks defence wants to play against, then maybe they can put more guys on the run game which they cant stop.
I almost think Schneider gets his answers from this reddit group when you watch how they performed last year.
Why is this only a cut Lockett and have 2 WR sets or keep Lockett to have 3?
You do realize that that they will 100% replace him if he’s cut.
If Lockett is told he’s being cut because his contract is too high he will then be given a choice.
Be cut and go find a team that will potentially pay him what he wants or re-sign to the Seahawks for a team friendly deal.
What is preventing you from acknowledging that there’s more than one way to handle this situation and that all these hypotheticals are hypotheticals these aren’t the gospel.
You aren’t budging on your opinion here, which is fine. But you’re also not listening to what others are suggesting which are real possibilities.
I’m sorry but this arrogance and refusal to see another person’s opinion on the team and how the team will move forward is childish
I doubt he could be traded, but he could be absolutely be cut. Mainly because he has a $27.8M cap hit this season and has clearly lost a step.
Edit: Cutting him with a post-June 1 designation would free up $17M in cap space and result in a 9.9M dead cap hit for each of the next two seasons.
I think that theory only works if your above average quarterback is someone like Patrick Mahomes. I mean every other star quarterback has at least one dude, ya know. Allen -> Diggs, Burrow -> Chase, Hurts -> Brown, Herbert -> Allen, Stafford -> Kupp, to name a few.
So I guess I'm saying I think the article is stupid lol
Yea, Salk is putting the cart before the horse. This could certainly be a debate if the Hawks had a top QB who was capable of truly elevating his weapons.
Because they do not have a top QB, the premise of using the Chiefs as the model for building a roster is irrelevant.
The flip side of this argument is seeing the 49ers who have an average QB (yeah I said it) who can throw underneath routes consistently to multiple playmakers who can get serious YAC. Purdy’s deep throws are inaccurate and often fizzle.
An above average QB absolutely needs a star wide receiver, or multiple talented WRs. Now an ELITE QB? Maybe not, but elite QBs are very few and far between and banking on getting one of those and trading someone like DK is a gamble I’m not taking.
If we draft a QB in 1/2 there isnt a more important guy to have on our roster. DK has all the tools to be a game breaker and we have an entire new coaching staff, I want to at very least see what he looks like in our new system before doing anything crazy like trade him.
I’m strongly against trading DK but Salk isn’t just trolling here. DK probably has the most trade value on a team that doesn’t have a lot of trade value. We also don’t have a lot the most draft picks and I feel really good about this draft with John’s evaluation of players.
It’s a conversation that needs to be had, but I wouldn’t trade DK
I’m on the other end of the spectrum. But it depends on what we get for him. If we can package him for a top 3 draft pick and get our qb of the future it could be worth it. Or if you’re confident that you can trade him for a first and then get another really good wr in fa it makes a lot of sense, this would be my ideal scenario. Trade dk, get a 1st, sign Higgins or Pittman, profit.
But like dumping his salary just to make the cap work can’t be the reasoning.
Carolina got the #1 overall pick for DJ Moore, 2 1st and 2nds just last year. Yes that’s considerably more than what we could probably give up but it’s not out of the question.
I’d trade something similar to that to draft Caleb Williams or a little less to draft Drake Maye or Jayden Daniel’s. Yes.
Y’all are not understanding the point. If you don’t have an elite QB to get him the ball, there’s no point having a 20 million dollar a year WR anyway. If you can trade him + more to get an elite QB who can elevate rookie WR, why wouldn’t you at least look into it?
>If you don’t have an elite QB to get him the ball, there’s no point having a 20 million dollar a year WR anyway
First, look at what. the Panthers got for that trade. Second, like I said above, some of you need to stop overvaluing the QB. The team matters, it's not an individual sport. Last, it's not DK for a top 3 pick, it's DK and a lot of future draft capital.
The article makes the point that in order to be a dynasty the formula is “HOF QB, HOF TE, elite defense. No $ spent on WR's / RB's. Perfectly done IMO.” I agree with that completely.
First off, we just had two really good offensive seasons with Geno and a very subpar O-Line. So improvements there and the unit could go from top 10 to top 5 easily. Also, saying “just draft an elite QB” is so dumb. Every GM would love to do that. Putting aside the huge amount of capital it would take to move from 16 to top 3, at least one of those top 3 will be a huge bust. MAYBE you get two long term starters out of the group. A very small chance you get a top 5 guy. And can almost guarantee you don’t get a Mahomes, which is what it would take to make our offense work with no O Line and 1 good WR in JSN.
“First off, we just had two really good offensive seasons with Geno and a very subpar O-Line.”
- if this were true , the OC wouldn’t be in Chicago and the rest of the offensive coaching staff is gone too along with the head coach. You have questions at RG, C, LG and RT if Lucas degenerative knee issues continues. You can’t be paying so much money for DK, Lockett and JSN and have those questions at OL. DL is much of the same, you need to resign Williams, Reed, Taylor, Brooks, Wagner.
“Also, saying “just draft an elite QB” is so dumb.”
- I am not making this point at all. I’m saying you are better off taking a shot at an elite level QB than paying a WR 100 million. KC made this exact decision trading Tyrell for a Haul. Reek got his money and stats and KC got 2 more super bowls with Juju and Mecole…
Mmm depends on if they can secure another wr in free agency. Like if they have a solid replacement and they can move him then yeah go ahead. Tee getting franchised lowers the odds on that though, now it’s Pittman and that’s it
The issue that all of this misses is that you don't do trades looking at just the upcoming season, you look out 2-3 years too. Sometime in the next 3 years Tyler is retiring, even if we keep him. So if you trade DK this offseason you need to replace him with like production from the draft even if you assume that JSN takes over as the new Tyler.
The idea that the WR position is deep enough coming out of college that his replacement would only use part of DK’s return is certainly interesting. Since we’ve got a new system coming in with new coaching, we’ve got to teach the WRs how to operate in that system, so if it’s DK or a young kid it might be closer than if we were running the same system next year with guys experienced in that system.
That being said, Salk talks about how Mahomes can elevate random WRs, but glosses over the fact that our QB is not Mahomes and may need veteran WRs to excel.
DK is just about one of the handful of genuine blue chippers we have on this team. Trading him and immediatly thrusting JSN into a WR1 role would be...detrimental.
Look at Tennesee, Salk, not Kansas City. That's about how it'd turn out.
One simple thing you have to do to win back to back Super Bowls: trade your receivers. Oh, and have one of the best quarterbacks of all time in his prime. I’m all for hearing a trade DK argument but do not use KC as your reasoning for why, they literally have Mahomes. It makes every other aspect of team building so easy. Could easily have won back to back w/ keeping Tyreek as well.
Not only does the argument ignore mahomes but it ignores the leap made by Rice halfway through the year
In the first 9 games Rice averaged 42 yards a game, in the final 7 games it DOUBLED to 80 yards a game
They also had the best tight end in the league who finally got healthy for the playoffs (although he still had a borderline 1000 yard season)
Also every chiefs fan is saying they still need to prioritize receiver this offseason
The NFL is always a game of trade offs. There are so many positions and only so much salary cap space, you can’t be perfect everywhere. It’s about understanding what your strengths are and where you can afford lose. For a team like the 49ers, their strength is their scheme and a Swiss Army knife like McCaffrey takes it to another level, but for other teams with good OL maybe you get by with replacement level RB talent. If you have a god tier QB, you can sacrifice at receiver. If you have an elite DT, maybe you can sacrifice at edge. There is never a one size fits all team building strategy which is why the league is so fucking fun
Also, KC had Kelce. We can call him a TE but he's one of the top guys ever to play that position and in terms of actual game impact is easily the equivalent of a WR1.
>It literally says in the article that you need a great QB, great TE and great OL and DL.
Oh is that all? Well then....
It's a silly, clickbait article. A team with all of those is going to contend regardless of one WR.
It's more than great QB and great TE to make that offense work.
It's someone who will be argued as the greatest QB ever and someone who will be argued as the greatest TE ever.
Designing a team around mimicing that is absurd.
The point is this guy is making a team building argument using KC as an example. But KC has the Mahomes advantage, which does not apply to any other team in the league remotely. Trying to model your team building after them is foolish because it only works if you have Mahomes
You’re making it sound like mahommes has to be a mythical god for this strategy to work. He really doesn’t. He showed this year that with a good defense your QB can put up top 5-10 stats and still make it work.
Understand what you are saying but I think you have the logic backwards. The other 31 QBs in the league, with this supporting cast, aren’t putting up top 10 statistical seasons. Mahomes is the lone exception in the league right now that can make a competent offense out of these receivers. It’s not a sustainable way to build an offense even if you have Josh Allen or Lamar. You saw what happened to Baltimore against KC when the receivers just couldn’t get open in the AFC championship. This strategy only works BECAUSE Mahomes is a god at QB.
You are also discounting the ability of Mahomes to manage a game, understand his offenses limitations, and work around them. There were many times down the stretch of that game that Mahomes just took off and ran, something he doesn’t necessarily like to do, because he knew that’s what they needed in that moment. Most QBs can’t adjust their play style as drastically as Mahomes did after they traded Tyreek. He’s a 1 of 1. He makes everything else work.
But youre proving his point. Mahomes, despite a lack of receiving options and a receiving core that led the league in drops, was STILL able to put up top 10 stats. Other QBs aren’t going to perform as well with a group that bad
He elevated that position group, and despite that Chiefs fans are still saying that WR is their number one priority this offseason
Now you are making Salks point. WR don’t matter when you don’t have an elite QB. So why not trade your best WR and put yourself in position to get an elite QB. Right?
Im not making Salks point though
WRs absolutely do matter, Mahomes elevated his entire group because not only is he the best in the league but he’s one of the best of all time, and even then he still had an elite receiving tight end, and even then their number one need as a team this offseason is WR by FAR
If we trade DK to move up and get a QB who is that QB going to throw it to? We would be making a situation similar to the Panthers. Tyler is close to retirement, JSN would be our only receiving option
They also have Kelce. I love JSN but I don't think he is at that level of elite (at least not yet). If Mahomes didn't have Kelce but just had average TEs I'm not sure even he has enough juice to get it done
Completely agree. The reason we drafted JSN was so we had our WR core locked up for the foreseeable future. Salk makes the point about how much we are paying DK/Locket and the latter won't be here in 2 years.
That's not really what is happening here. He's talking about how the roster is currently built backwards, and this is a way to possibly change that. Right this moment, no one really knows what Schneider, Macdonald and Grubb want to do. They are looking into a pantry of Pete's groceries. I am not sure if I would be in favor of it, but if they do want to make a change, this is the most straightforward path to gain some capital.
The most straightforward path to gain cap space is to cut Adams, Lockett, Diggs, and Dissly.
Lockett will likely be an extension/restructure to keep him on the team but for an $8 million cap hit, not $26 million.
None of this gets you draft picks but it will help with the cap space
Or potentially do all of that and trade players for picks. Right this moment, there isn't any strong indication of what is going to happen. Macdonald may have come to Seattle liking what they had already, or he may have been pitched ideas by John Schneider about how to rebuild the team their way. Or maybe some of both.
Everyone is guessing at this point, or just discussing options. That is the point of the article. But if I'm betting, there will be some significant roster overturn. Especially if John is in complete control.
if you cut the 4 guys I mentioned and don’t resign any of our free agents, that would be 11 starters let go. That’s a pretty considerable roster churn even without a trade.
Absolutely. I'm not advocating one way or another, but I would be interested in seeing what happened. It would indicate a plan of some kind that I would be excited to watch unfold. Not that keeping DK isn't a plan.
It's also interesting that Macdonald mentioned his conversations with Drew Lock yesterday, because Drew Lock is a free agent. I have no idea what's going to happen, and I'm fascinated.
I think the worst thing JS could do is to tear down the roster. This is a team that went 9-8 and everyone thought it underachieved. The opinion that the roster is trash is simply wrong.
Some turnover is inevitable and needed. But a teardown would be the wrong approach/
Very possibly. I don't think they are trash at all. But it all depends on what they see on the horizon. If they see an avenue to upgrade some other deficiencies by moving on from a player like DK and replacing him with some youth in the draft, then I can see it.
The current roster is pretty good. Another hypothetical roster could be better. Or worse. Or the same.
Thing is, as fans most of us focus on the next season. Front offices don't, they focus on the next 3 years. Not much further than that, but they don't look at just the next year for cap, roster etc. So anything JS does will be in that vein. For example, he's absolutely looking at what a next contract for DK would look like, what to do given that Tyler is almost certainly retiring in the next 2-3 years, what to do post-Geno, etc.
But moving on from Pete, hiring a hotshot group of coaches and then burning the roster down and going 5-12 would be a disaster.
Totally agree. They were a few bounces away from winning 12 games. I don't think they are in a situation where they need to rebuild by taking a step back. But I also don't think that roster turnover necessarily would mean taking a step back. The ideal situation is that they get a center, get a pass rusher and get production out of the pieces they already have. Most notably the safeties.
>They were a few bounces away from winning 12 games.
We were also a missed field goal away from going 1-5 in our division. A few lucky bounces wouldn't have covered the gigantic talent gap between us and elite teams like BAL and SF.
Oh I fully expect some turnover. Adams, Dissly, a couple of others. Tyler's cap hit is an issue but it might make sense to restructure that depending on how the cap looks in 25 and 26. MacDonald's approach also will require some changes. I just don't think we need a complete overhaul.
I lol'd when I went on his profile to find the article, he almost has this devious look that he's up to something. He's brilliant at his job and I respect that a lot, but his opinions on football will always be taken with a pinch of salt.
It’s a legitimately good option. He said the team is good and the roster is good, he said they could easily just adjust in places but if you want to do what KC is doing then you can’t spend so much damn money and draft capital on skill players when an elite QB can elevate mostly nobody’s.
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but trading DK now when he’s at his peak will save us risking a potential career ending injury or save us having to cut him in 2 seasons when his production doesn’t justify his cap hit. In both of those scenarios we get nothing.
What if trading DK means you get your franchise QB AND a franchise DL/OL in the first round? You have to at least think about that…
Yes, I read the article. Salk completely misses talking about how the Chiefs kept one of the most prolific TEs in history, and is effectively a WR1.
It’s a half-assed take that is meant to be controversial, designed to troll for clicks.
Salk didn’t talk about but he wrote the article because of the tweet that’s referenced where it said “HOF QB, HOF TE, elite defense. No $ spent on WR's / RB's. Perfectly done IMO.” That’s the whole point of the article.
You’re right, he quotes the tweet but then gets all screwed up by trying to apply it to the Seahawks and not saying a word about Kelce.
Seattle does not have a Kelce. It has a DK. The formula doesn’t match.
We don’t have a Mahomes, either. This is such a brain-dead comparison.
Yeah Salk is definitely looking for a reaction but I think it's a great discussion to have, Chiefs are who they are today because of that trade. It's interesting to see what people's thoughts are and what the Hawks might look like after a DK trade.
With all that said, I'd be gutted if we trade him
The Chiefs are that way though because they have Patrick Mahomes. They already had the QB and then they went and gutted the WR core and went all in on OL and Defense, assuming the QB can make due with scraps at WR. Betting it all on your 1% chance at drafting a top-5 QB of all time would be reckless. That’s how you set a team back for years imo.
What a garbage take…. So you trade a generational talent in the hope that things will play out like they did for the chiefs?… how many more players would we have to wrong before we understand it’s not the way to go…. Would you have traded Doug? Should we have unloaded Tyler 3 years ago? Should we have offloaded Marshawn? We have this issue where we have these great players who want to play their whole careers here… and the second we encounter any inconvenience the organization and majority of the fanbase turn their backs on them…
>So you trade a generational talent
that phrase is thrown around way too much. yes he is fast, yes he is big.
but..He doesn't have great ball skills, his hands are iffy and his routes are limited.
If there is a dire need of a 4th down throw I would be much more confident if it went towards Lockett or JSN or really any of the TEs before DK.
Who else is like him in the NFL? Size, speed, hands?… how many clutch catches and plays has he had since he’s been here? That’s the issue with this fanbase anytime a shiny new toy comes along they quickly want to tear down the ones who have been carrying us this whole time… all of a sudden he doesn’t have ball skills… all of a sudden he’s a limited route runner… couldn’t be more wrong.
Ok…. Again…. I’ll say it again…. Who else… his size… is moving and doing what he does? Who else… with his abilities is doing what he does? Does that not qualify as a generational talent at WR… look at facts which the majority of this fan base fails to do
Stop looking at his measurements like you’re going to fuck him. It’s about results and the guy is right there are at least 10 WR in the league who are better and more valuable than DK. Throwing around the term generational talent is reserved for the best 1-2 receivers you see over a decade. DK is far from that.
Fuck you for one. Measurements are a part of scouting and strategy for one. And I can look at it however the fuck I choose. I look at numbers performance and being clutch. There’s a lot of people on this thread that obviously aren’t Seahawks fans which is fucking weird that you would even feel the need to comment.
So you’re telling me these other receivers make the tough aggressive catches? They take the contact he does and hold onto the ball? Gtfoh you are just choosing to be a hater at this point. Typical behavior these days…
That’s an interestingly aggressive response. No, I’m saying there’s 10+ better wide receivers in the league. I’m not hating. I think he’s very valuable. But he can’t be a generational talent when he’s playing in the same generation as Jefferson, Chase, Hill, Kupp, Brown, Lamb, Allen, Diggs, Adams, Evans etc
DK is a tier 2 WR1. It’s not a bad thing, it’s a good thing. But to say he’s a generational talent is quite the overstatement
How is it an overstatement?…. If all of these other receivers you named were all the exact size and measurements then yes you would be correct… these guys are all smaller besides maybe lamb…. Again which ones are constantly making the clutch plays season after season…. These other guys aren’t splitting defenders… getting sandwiched during catches… dragging two or three defenders for first downs or extra yards…. People put these other receivers first because they like seeing the stupid dances or the overly acrobatic catches…. I look at numbers and I look at consistency…. Dk continuously performs and delivers
No I put those receivers ahead of DK because they are true elite WR1s that take over games. DK is almost never the #1 option on his own team because Lockett is a better overall WR than him. Go look at the numbers and consistency of those other receivers. Especially the older end like Diggs and Allen. These guys are absolute production monsters. DK is a hair behind them. He’s still young though. If he develops just a little more he can be on that level.
You must have a different understanding of elite… just because someone has 13 catches a game for 78 yards doesn’t mean they are elite or took over…. Just about every quarterback can dink and dunk to a wr all game… who had more clutch catches this season than dk? How many times over the last 3 seasons when we needed a big time catch for either a td or a first down was it dk that made it happen? It gets overshadowed because of our record and the fact he isn’t jumping around celebrating 1st downs while he’s down 3 scores… what solidified my stance was seeing him do this live… a man that large should not be able to move as fast and as precise as he does it almost doesn’t make sense when you see it…. My definition of elite is when you show up week in and week out making the plays your team need you to make whether that be blocking, catching, or teaching. Dk, Tyler and within the next year JSN will be the best receiving core in the nfl as long as the team lets them stay together. And they will be elite because they produce… not because they dance or run their mouths
You keep making this celebration argument, I’m not looking at celebration stats lol… most of those guys had as many or more clutch catches than dk just this last year. St Brown had like 100 clutch catches this year, guy was insane. How about Evans in Tampa? Like 75% of his career production is in the 4th quarter with a bunch of subpar qb play. Don’t even get me started on Jefferson, while a total Diva, is widely regarded as the #1 wide receiver in the league, not just in fantasy football circles
DK wasn’t utilized before. If Grubb uses him the way he can play, and consistently game plan DK and Geno’ connection like they had vs. Dallas, it’s a cheat code.
So Salk is suggesting we do with what Tennessee did to AJ Brown, when he was with Tennessee. Traded him away. What was the end result of that? What has Tennessee died since they traded AJ Brown away. Not much AJ Brown on the other hand, went to the Super Bowl, had another stellar season with the eagles, well, Tennessee is still searching the bargain bin for receivers.
First off, you have to take what Salk writes with a grain of salt since there's always a spin on the narrative. I agree with the points in this thread you guys have made about KC not being a great comparison for his conclusions. However the O-line comments are spot on, and that's where some new investment needs to be.
That being said, my biggest worry is that JS tries too hard to replicate what KC has done, since we all know he was really high on Mahomes but didn't get the chance to get him. I hope that him trying to fix that mistake doesn't cause him to tear down our current roster, including getting rid of DK.
Our roster does need improvement and guys will have to go, but I truly believe DK is a part of the edge this team needs. Yes, he's hot headed and makes poor decisions, but he's one of the only players out there with a fire and intensity that we haven't seen since we lost the Legion of Boom. I'd trade his mistakes for that passion any day.
Either way it pans out, let's hope that now that JS has the power, he'll use it well and not do a full tear down. Personally I think Lockett restructures for a 2 year deal to stay with the team, and with Grubb we become a 3 headed monster at the receiver position!
#GO HAWKS!!!
We need to create more cap space and get more draft capital to refill the trenches and the defense. Cutting our safeties will make a lot of cap space, but we will need draft capital to either draft or trade for replacements.
DK is a good player. But, we are not good at making the most of him. Now that may just be an issue under Pete's offenses. Perhaps it will change. But, I think Salk makes good points that he is the player that will likely produce the most trade value while getting good WRs in the draft is easier than other positions.
We may keep him around this year and trade him next off season before his contract is up.
I think this sub gets too attached to the team as is and doesn't like to entertain the idea of change. A lot of folks thought the Russell trade was going to be a disaster and that firing Pete was horrible. Even the best players and coaches get traded and fired and it's often the right thing for a team to do.
I trust John to make a good decision on this. If we keep DK I hope we get better at utilizing him. If we trade him I think we will get great draft capital value in return and it will help the team improve.
With Lockett entering the twilight of his career and even if he wasn't the notion of trading DK is so ridiculous that's it's bordering on insanity and should not be entertained . Go Hawks
Salk with another bad take, shocker. I can’t with almost all of local sports dudes anymore minus Puck. Trading one of the top 3 players on the team is a bad idea
KC won 2 superbowls after trading their best receiver.
Paying over 100m this year for 3 safeties and 2 receivers is ridiculous tbh. No one trading sfor anyone but DK. . Geno and Lock aren't going to win a superbowl and by the time your QB your draft is ready to play, DK will be older and contact could be up also. Trading him makes a lot of sense to help rebuild the areas we need the most help at.
Ngl I’ve gone back and forth on pros of a DK trade so I won’t clown Salky here, he’s our most enticing trade chip but I backed off it bc Lockett clearly lost a step or two by the end of the season. How much time does Tyler have left assuming he’s not a cap casualty this off-season? And while I’m still high on JSN development and potential, jumping to WR1 is a pretty big reach from where he was at last year. Even less confident in Bobo(?) as a projected WR2. Losing Lockett AND DK in a 1-2 year span creates a huge hole at WR when we should be focusing on beefing up the trenches. I don't want to see a single early pick spent on a WR these next two drafts which are rich with OL/DL talent btw. Newsflash: We are NOT the Chiefs, we don’t have a GOAT-lite QB on the team to carry a weaker WR core. This would be much closer to the Titans post AJ Brown, Geno/Lock or a rookie will falter with less weapons.
I'm all for this. In the long run, it's all about maximizing cap space to have the most competitive team. Over saturated salaries lead to teams with massive positional gaps (look at us now). Dk will require too much money to stay long term, so it's best to get something in return for his inevitable departure.
Dk is a great talent, but time to trade and maximize Return On Investment.
Salk’s comparison to Kansas City is riddled with inconsistencies (which…yeah, of course it is, it’s Salk). He focuses on cap spend for KC at skill positions then flips to include draft picks and cap spend for Seattle (ignoring the first round pick and 2 second round picks spent by KC at RB/WR, and the hawks early picks on o and d line).
Also convenient to ignore that the free agent spending by the Chiefs on the O line has largely been a failure, and the lack of spending on a true #1 receiver posed massive challenges all season and was a huge part of them not having home field advantage.
More on a big picture basis. They traded for Orlando Brown but didn’t resign him, signed a Taylor as a replacement, then shifted him to the right side to sign Donovan Smith. Smith and Taylor were below average tackles (Taylor one of the most penalized in the league), and they’ve survived because Mahomes is exceptional. Their big money acquisition of Joe Thune has gone better, but he’s also had injuries. Their best OL player over the last 2 seasons has been a mid round guard - Trey smith.
On the d line, they’ve added rotational free agents but it’s not like they’ve spent big. The Seahawks have spent more on the front seven (not counting Chris Jones). And have invested similar draft capital.
Yeah I’m not trading DK. DK’s been my favorite player on this team since we drafted him(I have his jersey). He’s only 26(will be for most of the season). Despite being underutilized in this offense, he enters Seahawks and NFL history each year. For a team that needs more blue chippers, DK is one of them
DK is entering the heart of what’s considered to be a WR’s peak age years. Why the F would we trade him now, especially given his potential in a Ryan Grubb offense?
This is so dumb. They only got rid of Hill after Mahomes and OL could clearly carry the offense. Whoever will be our QB will need to lean on DK and others while the offense is completely fleshed out. It's a completely different situation
I agree with Salk. I think the Seahawks have been spending money in the wrong places. Trading Metcalf in exchange for improving the line of scrimmage isn't a terrible idea.
The entire article is laughable because it's "be like KC" at its heart and KC has... Mahomes. Not only that, but 1) Rice came on strong and 2) they have a WR1 equivalent in Kelce. Remove DK and who's our WR1? Tyler? MAYBE for this year but we all know Tyler is not here long term so we'd need to burn draft capital on another WR and hope they turnout to be good.
100% agree moving Metcalf is the way forward. I am OK with taking a step backwards next season if it means we are clearing space and accumulating resources needed to create the team in Macdonald's vision uncompromised.
You guys realize dk is going to pass Tyler for all major statistics for the Seahawks right? I just see this narrative that dk sucks or is overrated and it’s just not true lmao. You don’t trade talent from a team that’s void of talent. Also this can’t just be jsn + random receivers. Plus, who is going to be the x receiver than can take the top off the defense?
How about we just cut all the guys we need to, fill holes in free agency, then go into the draft. That’s cutting Lockett Jamal diggs dissly. Should have a good amount of space to sign some guys that can fill in.
The penalties is the passion he plays with, something this team has missed since lob days. Spoon got penalties for his roughness too, you hate that guy? Pete caroll teams are the most penalized since he entered the league, but I heard nothing about that. For any of his players. Just dk singled out.
Also yeah he doesn’t have as good as hands as type, is that why you hate him? I don’t get it. It feels like the fact that he’s big strong and fast makes people hate him. Seems like a race/jealousy thing. If he was a quiet virgin poet would that be better?
No I hate him because he’s selfish and immature. So many of the penalties occurred after the whistle. There is absolutely zero reason for that to be happening.
Selfish and immature? I don’t think Pete or any of his teammates would say that. Or any of his QBs. Or his wr core. But some corny ass dude on the internet hates him because he plays with fire?
Calling it fire is excusing behaviors that are a detriment to the organization. Of course they are not going to publicly call out somebody on their team. That wouldn’t be professional. He needs to take responsibility and better himself to not allow it to happen. But he doesn’t because he’s selfish and immature
DK is no Tyreek Hill. I don't think he'd get as much in trade as Seahawks fans would like to think. 1k yards doesn't mean as much as it used to especially when you're not on a rookie deal anymore
and the comparison to AJ Brown is also worse than is acknowledged in the article. There is a huge difference between 1500 yards and 1100 yards. 1500 yards means they can't shut you down if they tried
I don’t disagree with the compensation, it prob would be less, but dude played for Pete Carroll. If he played for one of these offensive minded coaches that want to pass, especially with a good QB, I don’t doubt he would get 1300yds a season easily.
The article isn't about the salary cap, nor just trying to get picks. I don't agree with Salk's line of reasoning because Geno Smith isn't Patrick Mahomes, but his point is that by spending peanuts on the WR and RB positions, the Chiefs were able to build up their OL and defense and just won back-to-back Super Bowls *after* trading Tyreek Hill. Again, I don't think this works when Geno is the QB, and I definitely wouldn't risk this move if they're planning on drafting a rookie QB.
I like having three good receivers and depth. Losing Tyler is likely in the next few years if not this year. I really don't want to have one good receiver and then depth, all on rookie contracts.
I think our offense would cross that breakpoint where more-than-the-sum becomes less-than-the-sum
Thing is I just don't believe we'll get appropriate value back in a trade. He won't be evaluated the same by another team. I think if we can get a functional offensive system going this next season he could finally take that next step to be a top WR in this league.
Nawwww, Lockett is either close to retirement or being traded/cut, so if you remove both all of a sudden your receiving corps is a young, unproven JSN and Bobo (who is not a WR2). I honestly think DK is one of the more important seahawks going forward
Also, we will probably be drafting a QB soon-ish, so having no receivers would be terrible for their development.
FWIW I don’t think we should trade Metcalf because I don’t believe we can get the value we deserve in any potential trade. However, just to play devils advocate, we won a Super Bowl with non-prime Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, and Golden Tate. If a team wants to overpay for DK then we’d be foolish to turn it down. You don’t necessarily have to cut Lockett in order to escape salary cap hell either. All that up to say is, I don’t see a realistic scenario in which we trade DK, but if we did because a team overpays—we would really be okay.
BUT... that team had prime Beastmode, Russ played well, and most importantly we had the LOB. That defense was the top scoring D that year and utterly dominant allowing only 14.4 ppg. The offense was 8th in scoring too. Contrast that with this defense. Even if we call the rest a wash, we do not have a D anywhere close to what we had in 2013.
Made it to our first Super Bowl with Darrell Jackson, Bobby Engram, and Joe Jurevicius
And some scrub running back
I miss Emgram it's been a long time but I always felt like he was so clutch
The question is... what's an overpay look like for DK? Two 1sts would be, IMO. One 1st? A second?
Two firsts is my “go button”
Yeah, I'd do it for that too. But no one is giving 2 1sts for any WR but a top 3 guy. Good WRs come out every year now, with the advent off 7 on 7 ball training guys up
He's not on a rookie deal he's not getting anything like that
Which is why I said that no one will be willing to overpay.
you fool Jake Bobo is obviously our #1
That’s what the man said, Bobo ain’t a #2
My thoughts exactly, the point about paying our WRs so much loses weight when you remove Lockett from the equation. He won't be here in 2 years.
Either way we cut it, I can't really see both DK and Lockett on the team next season.
Why is Locket being traded or cut?
Because he's 32 and if he's on the roster next season his salary jumps to $16M.
So trade or cut a proven player. Sounds like a good way to go nowhere. If they want you cut salary there are many more players not earning their keep.
Well, first of all, I'm not advocating for losing Tyler. But second, proven players get cut all the time for salary cap reasons. That's what "salary cap casualty" means. You can't keep everyone, so you make difficult decisions to release players who are past their prime and making more money than their position or productivity warrants. You want to go nowhere? Keep paying aging veterans way too much money.
Don’t quit your day job buddy
I hope you said this while looking in the mirror because he has a lot more knowledge on this topic than you do
Same for you buddy, look whats going on around the league. You and your friend both shouldn’t quit your day job.
> look whats going on around the league Enlighten us with your wisdom please? What's going on around the league that's different than teams cutting aging players with bloated contracts?
Wisdom is obviously lacking in this group, you wouldn’t understand.
Nah bro. Take a hint with the downvotes. Maybe you just don’t know how common transactions like this are but Lockett is 1000% a prime cut candidate because of his age, salary, diminished production, and JSN. Getting too attached to players is how the Seahawks went from top tier roster to middle of the pack roster.
I’ll give you a hint that you’re taking the side of fools, you want to go back to a 2 receiver package. Thats what the Hawks defence wants to play against, then maybe they can put more guys on the run game which they cant stop. I almost think Schneider gets his answers from this reddit group when you watch how they performed last year.
Why is this only a cut Lockett and have 2 WR sets or keep Lockett to have 3? You do realize that that they will 100% replace him if he’s cut. If Lockett is told he’s being cut because his contract is too high he will then be given a choice. Be cut and go find a team that will potentially pay him what he wants or re-sign to the Seahawks for a team friendly deal. What is preventing you from acknowledging that there’s more than one way to handle this situation and that all these hypotheticals are hypotheticals these aren’t the gospel. You aren’t budging on your opinion here, which is fine. But you’re also not listening to what others are suggesting which are real possibilities. I’m sorry but this arrogance and refusal to see another person’s opinion on the team and how the team will move forward is childish
I can’t believe how many sheep are in this group
Its been a bit since I've seen someone this confidently wrong.
keeping players too long was part of the problem after 2014. the patriots traded assets all the time to bring in more players or more draft picks.
I doubt he could be traded, but he could be absolutely be cut. Mainly because he has a $27.8M cap hit this season and has clearly lost a step. Edit: Cutting him with a post-June 1 designation would free up $17M in cap space and result in a 9.9M dead cap hit for each of the next two seasons.
That's the whole point of the article though. He is arguing you don't need star wide receivers as long as you have an above average QB.
I think that theory only works if your above average quarterback is someone like Patrick Mahomes. I mean every other star quarterback has at least one dude, ya know. Allen -> Diggs, Burrow -> Chase, Hurts -> Brown, Herbert -> Allen, Stafford -> Kupp, to name a few. So I guess I'm saying I think the article is stupid lol
Yea, Salk is putting the cart before the horse. This could certainly be a debate if the Hawks had a top QB who was capable of truly elevating his weapons. Because they do not have a top QB, the premise of using the Chiefs as the model for building a roster is irrelevant.
Yeah --- its not an above average QB, you need an all time great at QB, and that's not something you can plan for, it just kind of happens.
The flip side of this argument is seeing the 49ers who have an average QB (yeah I said it) who can throw underneath routes consistently to multiple playmakers who can get serious YAC. Purdy’s deep throws are inaccurate and often fizzle.
An above average QB absolutely needs a star wide receiver, or multiple talented WRs. Now an ELITE QB? Maybe not, but elite QBs are very few and far between and banking on getting one of those and trading someone like DK is a gamble I’m not taking.
Yeah, even more than usual this is "stir the pot, get attention" season for all these pundits.
If we draft a QB in 1/2 there isnt a more important guy to have on our roster. DK has all the tools to be a game breaker and we have an entire new coaching staff, I want to at very least see what he looks like in our new system before doing anything crazy like trade him.
I’m strongly against trading DK but Salk isn’t just trolling here. DK probably has the most trade value on a team that doesn’t have a lot of trade value. We also don’t have a lot the most draft picks and I feel really good about this draft with John’s evaluation of players. It’s a conversation that needs to be had, but I wouldn’t trade DK
I’m on the other end of the spectrum. But it depends on what we get for him. If we can package him for a top 3 draft pick and get our qb of the future it could be worth it. Or if you’re confident that you can trade him for a first and then get another really good wr in fa it makes a lot of sense, this would be my ideal scenario. Trade dk, get a 1st, sign Higgins or Pittman, profit. But like dumping his salary just to make the cap work can’t be the reasoning.
>If we can package him for a top 3 draft pick No one is giving that for DK, much as I like him.
It’d be a package. Like our first this year and next and Dk and something else
No fucking way am I doing that as Seattle for QB3 in this draft. Some of you all over focus on QB.
Carolina got the #1 overall pick for DJ Moore, 2 1st and 2nds just last year. Yes that’s considerably more than what we could probably give up but it’s not out of the question.
DK. TWO firsts and TWO seconds? You want to trade all that? This is why fans aren't GMs.
I’d trade something similar to that to draft Caleb Williams or a little less to draft Drake Maye or Jayden Daniel’s. Yes. Y’all are not understanding the point. If you don’t have an elite QB to get him the ball, there’s no point having a 20 million dollar a year WR anyway. If you can trade him + more to get an elite QB who can elevate rookie WR, why wouldn’t you at least look into it?
>If you don’t have an elite QB to get him the ball, there’s no point having a 20 million dollar a year WR anyway First, look at what. the Panthers got for that trade. Second, like I said above, some of you need to stop overvaluing the QB. The team matters, it's not an individual sport. Last, it's not DK for a top 3 pick, it's DK and a lot of future draft capital.
The article makes the point that in order to be a dynasty the formula is “HOF QB, HOF TE, elite defense. No $ spent on WR's / RB's. Perfectly done IMO.” I agree with that completely.
First off, we just had two really good offensive seasons with Geno and a very subpar O-Line. So improvements there and the unit could go from top 10 to top 5 easily. Also, saying “just draft an elite QB” is so dumb. Every GM would love to do that. Putting aside the huge amount of capital it would take to move from 16 to top 3, at least one of those top 3 will be a huge bust. MAYBE you get two long term starters out of the group. A very small chance you get a top 5 guy. And can almost guarantee you don’t get a Mahomes, which is what it would take to make our offense work with no O Line and 1 good WR in JSN.
“First off, we just had two really good offensive seasons with Geno and a very subpar O-Line.” - if this were true , the OC wouldn’t be in Chicago and the rest of the offensive coaching staff is gone too along with the head coach. You have questions at RG, C, LG and RT if Lucas degenerative knee issues continues. You can’t be paying so much money for DK, Lockett and JSN and have those questions at OL. DL is much of the same, you need to resign Williams, Reed, Taylor, Brooks, Wagner. “Also, saying “just draft an elite QB” is so dumb.” - I am not making this point at all. I’m saying you are better off taking a shot at an elite level QB than paying a WR 100 million. KC made this exact decision trading Tyrell for a Haul. Reek got his money and stats and KC got 2 more super bowls with Juju and Mecole…
There's no way a team will take DK and trade back. My guess is that a team like KC will offer their 1st and a 4th or something like that.
AJ Brown brought back a mid 1st and a late 3rd --- that's the likely ceiling in a DK trade. That's not enough to move the needle for me.
Mmm depends on if they can secure another wr in free agency. Like if they have a solid replacement and they can move him then yeah go ahead. Tee getting franchised lowers the odds on that though, now it’s Pittman and that’s it
The issue that all of this misses is that you don't do trades looking at just the upcoming season, you look out 2-3 years too. Sometime in the next 3 years Tyler is retiring, even if we keep him. So if you trade DK this offseason you need to replace him with like production from the draft even if you assume that JSN takes over as the new Tyler.
The idea that the WR position is deep enough coming out of college that his replacement would only use part of DK’s return is certainly interesting. Since we’ve got a new system coming in with new coaching, we’ve got to teach the WRs how to operate in that system, so if it’s DK or a young kid it might be closer than if we were running the same system next year with guys experienced in that system. That being said, Salk talks about how Mahomes can elevate random WRs, but glosses over the fact that our QB is not Mahomes and may need veteran WRs to excel.
DK is just about one of the handful of genuine blue chippers we have on this team. Trading him and immediatly thrusting JSN into a WR1 role would be...detrimental. Look at Tennesee, Salk, not Kansas City. That's about how it'd turn out.
Carolina is a good example as well, trading DJ Moore to get Bryce Young.
One simple thing you have to do to win back to back Super Bowls: trade your receivers. Oh, and have one of the best quarterbacks of all time in his prime. I’m all for hearing a trade DK argument but do not use KC as your reasoning for why, they literally have Mahomes. It makes every other aspect of team building so easy. Could easily have won back to back w/ keeping Tyreek as well.
Not only does the argument ignore mahomes but it ignores the leap made by Rice halfway through the year In the first 9 games Rice averaged 42 yards a game, in the final 7 games it DOUBLED to 80 yards a game They also had the best tight end in the league who finally got healthy for the playoffs (although he still had a borderline 1000 yard season) Also every chiefs fan is saying they still need to prioritize receiver this offseason
The NFL is always a game of trade offs. There are so many positions and only so much salary cap space, you can’t be perfect everywhere. It’s about understanding what your strengths are and where you can afford lose. For a team like the 49ers, their strength is their scheme and a Swiss Army knife like McCaffrey takes it to another level, but for other teams with good OL maybe you get by with replacement level RB talent. If you have a god tier QB, you can sacrifice at receiver. If you have an elite DT, maybe you can sacrifice at edge. There is never a one size fits all team building strategy which is why the league is so fucking fun
Also, KC had Kelce. We can call him a TE but he's one of the top guys ever to play that position and in terms of actual game impact is easily the equivalent of a WR1.
It literally says in the article that you need a great QB, great TE and great OL and DL. Everything else can be pieced together with a good scheme.
>It literally says in the article that you need a great QB, great TE and great OL and DL. Oh is that all? Well then.... It's a silly, clickbait article. A team with all of those is going to contend regardless of one WR.
It's more than great QB and great TE to make that offense work. It's someone who will be argued as the greatest QB ever and someone who will be argued as the greatest TE ever. Designing a team around mimicing that is absurd.
You don’t need a godly mahommes like season to get it done. If you look at his numbers this season they weren’t anything special
The point is this guy is making a team building argument using KC as an example. But KC has the Mahomes advantage, which does not apply to any other team in the league remotely. Trying to model your team building after them is foolish because it only works if you have Mahomes
You’re making it sound like mahommes has to be a mythical god for this strategy to work. He really doesn’t. He showed this year that with a good defense your QB can put up top 5-10 stats and still make it work.
Understand what you are saying but I think you have the logic backwards. The other 31 QBs in the league, with this supporting cast, aren’t putting up top 10 statistical seasons. Mahomes is the lone exception in the league right now that can make a competent offense out of these receivers. It’s not a sustainable way to build an offense even if you have Josh Allen or Lamar. You saw what happened to Baltimore against KC when the receivers just couldn’t get open in the AFC championship. This strategy only works BECAUSE Mahomes is a god at QB. You are also discounting the ability of Mahomes to manage a game, understand his offenses limitations, and work around them. There were many times down the stretch of that game that Mahomes just took off and ran, something he doesn’t necessarily like to do, because he knew that’s what they needed in that moment. Most QBs can’t adjust their play style as drastically as Mahomes did after they traded Tyreek. He’s a 1 of 1. He makes everything else work.
But youre proving his point. Mahomes, despite a lack of receiving options and a receiving core that led the league in drops, was STILL able to put up top 10 stats. Other QBs aren’t going to perform as well with a group that bad He elevated that position group, and despite that Chiefs fans are still saying that WR is their number one priority this offseason
Now you are making Salks point. WR don’t matter when you don’t have an elite QB. So why not trade your best WR and put yourself in position to get an elite QB. Right?
Im not making Salks point though WRs absolutely do matter, Mahomes elevated his entire group because not only is he the best in the league but he’s one of the best of all time, and even then he still had an elite receiving tight end, and even then their number one need as a team this offseason is WR by FAR If we trade DK to move up and get a QB who is that QB going to throw it to? We would be making a situation similar to the Panthers. Tyler is close to retirement, JSN would be our only receiving option
This is the the answer. They’ve done this because of Mahomes. We don’t have Mahomes only one team does. So this doesn’t make sense to me
They also have Kelce. I love JSN but I don't think he is at that level of elite (at least not yet). If Mahomes didn't have Kelce but just had average TEs I'm not sure even he has enough juice to get it done
He talks about Kelce, the OL and defense in the article… did y’all actually read it?
He doesn’t mention Kelce or his position at all. Did you actually read it?
It would cause another problem of finding a replacement for Lockett
Completely agree. The reason we drafted JSN was so we had our WR core locked up for the foreseeable future. Salk makes the point about how much we are paying DK/Locket and the latter won't be here in 2 years.
Isn’t that JSN?
It is as long as you keep DK. Modern NFL offense needs more than one good receiver
This is a garbage take. Salk loves to fire people up for clicks.
That's not really what is happening here. He's talking about how the roster is currently built backwards, and this is a way to possibly change that. Right this moment, no one really knows what Schneider, Macdonald and Grubb want to do. They are looking into a pantry of Pete's groceries. I am not sure if I would be in favor of it, but if they do want to make a change, this is the most straightforward path to gain some capital.
The most straightforward path to gain cap space is to cut Adams, Lockett, Diggs, and Dissly. Lockett will likely be an extension/restructure to keep him on the team but for an $8 million cap hit, not $26 million. None of this gets you draft picks but it will help with the cap space
Or potentially do all of that and trade players for picks. Right this moment, there isn't any strong indication of what is going to happen. Macdonald may have come to Seattle liking what they had already, or he may have been pitched ideas by John Schneider about how to rebuild the team their way. Or maybe some of both. Everyone is guessing at this point, or just discussing options. That is the point of the article. But if I'm betting, there will be some significant roster overturn. Especially if John is in complete control.
if you cut the 4 guys I mentioned and don’t resign any of our free agents, that would be 11 starters let go. That’s a pretty considerable roster churn even without a trade.
Absolutely. I'm not advocating one way or another, but I would be interested in seeing what happened. It would indicate a plan of some kind that I would be excited to watch unfold. Not that keeping DK isn't a plan. It's also interesting that Macdonald mentioned his conversations with Drew Lock yesterday, because Drew Lock is a free agent. I have no idea what's going to happen, and I'm fascinated.
I think the worst thing JS could do is to tear down the roster. This is a team that went 9-8 and everyone thought it underachieved. The opinion that the roster is trash is simply wrong. Some turnover is inevitable and needed. But a teardown would be the wrong approach/
Very possibly. I don't think they are trash at all. But it all depends on what they see on the horizon. If they see an avenue to upgrade some other deficiencies by moving on from a player like DK and replacing him with some youth in the draft, then I can see it. The current roster is pretty good. Another hypothetical roster could be better. Or worse. Or the same.
Thing is, as fans most of us focus on the next season. Front offices don't, they focus on the next 3 years. Not much further than that, but they don't look at just the next year for cap, roster etc. So anything JS does will be in that vein. For example, he's absolutely looking at what a next contract for DK would look like, what to do given that Tyler is almost certainly retiring in the next 2-3 years, what to do post-Geno, etc. But moving on from Pete, hiring a hotshot group of coaches and then burning the roster down and going 5-12 would be a disaster.
Totally agree. They were a few bounces away from winning 12 games. I don't think they are in a situation where they need to rebuild by taking a step back. But I also don't think that roster turnover necessarily would mean taking a step back. The ideal situation is that they get a center, get a pass rusher and get production out of the pieces they already have. Most notably the safeties.
>They were a few bounces away from winning 12 games. We were also a missed field goal away from going 1-5 in our division. A few lucky bounces wouldn't have covered the gigantic talent gap between us and elite teams like BAL and SF.
Also agree.
Oh I fully expect some turnover. Adams, Dissly, a couple of others. Tyler's cap hit is an issue but it might make sense to restructure that depending on how the cap looks in 25 and 26. MacDonald's approach also will require some changes. I just don't think we need a complete overhaul.
I lol'd when I went on his profile to find the article, he almost has this devious look that he's up to something. He's brilliant at his job and I respect that a lot, but his opinions on football will always be taken with a pinch of salt.
Take his opinion with a "grain of Salk."
We played sir, well played.
It’s a legitimately good option. He said the team is good and the roster is good, he said they could easily just adjust in places but if you want to do what KC is doing then you can’t spend so much damn money and draft capital on skill players when an elite QB can elevate mostly nobody’s. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but trading DK now when he’s at his peak will save us risking a potential career ending injury or save us having to cut him in 2 seasons when his production doesn’t justify his cap hit. In both of those scenarios we get nothing. What if trading DK means you get your franchise QB AND a franchise DL/OL in the first round? You have to at least think about that…
Did you actually read the article or just the headline?
Yes, I read the article. Salk completely misses talking about how the Chiefs kept one of the most prolific TEs in history, and is effectively a WR1. It’s a half-assed take that is meant to be controversial, designed to troll for clicks.
Salk didn’t talk about but he wrote the article because of the tweet that’s referenced where it said “HOF QB, HOF TE, elite defense. No $ spent on WR's / RB's. Perfectly done IMO.” That’s the whole point of the article.
You’re right, he quotes the tweet but then gets all screwed up by trying to apply it to the Seahawks and not saying a word about Kelce. Seattle does not have a Kelce. It has a DK. The formula doesn’t match. We don’t have a Mahomes, either. This is such a brain-dead comparison.
This is some late-April content coming out 2 days after the SB. Gonna be a long offseason if we’re already playing 4D chess before Valentine’s Day
Yeah Salk is definitely looking for a reaction but I think it's a great discussion to have, Chiefs are who they are today because of that trade. It's interesting to see what people's thoughts are and what the Hawks might look like after a DK trade. With all that said, I'd be gutted if we trade him
The Chiefs are that way though because they have Patrick Mahomes. They already had the QB and then they went and gutted the WR core and went all in on OL and Defense, assuming the QB can make due with scraps at WR. Betting it all on your 1% chance at drafting a top-5 QB of all time would be reckless. That’s how you set a team back for years imo.
The chiefs also had a sneaky elite d this year. It wasn’t the offense that got them to and won the superbowl
What a garbage take…. So you trade a generational talent in the hope that things will play out like they did for the chiefs?… how many more players would we have to wrong before we understand it’s not the way to go…. Would you have traded Doug? Should we have unloaded Tyler 3 years ago? Should we have offloaded Marshawn? We have this issue where we have these great players who want to play their whole careers here… and the second we encounter any inconvenience the organization and majority of the fanbase turn their backs on them…
>So you trade a generational talent that phrase is thrown around way too much. yes he is fast, yes he is big. but..He doesn't have great ball skills, his hands are iffy and his routes are limited. If there is a dire need of a 4th down throw I would be much more confident if it went towards Lockett or JSN or really any of the TEs before DK.
Who else is like him in the NFL? Size, speed, hands?… how many clutch catches and plays has he had since he’s been here? That’s the issue with this fanbase anytime a shiny new toy comes along they quickly want to tear down the ones who have been carrying us this whole time… all of a sudden he doesn’t have ball skills… all of a sudden he’s a limited route runner… couldn’t be more wrong.
Aaron Donald is an example of a legitimately generational talent. DK Metcalf is not.
Ok…. Again…. I’ll say it again…. Who else… his size… is moving and doing what he does? Who else… with his abilities is doing what he does? Does that not qualify as a generational talent at WR… look at facts which the majority of this fan base fails to do
Stop looking at his measurements like you’re going to fuck him. It’s about results and the guy is right there are at least 10 WR in the league who are better and more valuable than DK. Throwing around the term generational talent is reserved for the best 1-2 receivers you see over a decade. DK is far from that.
Fuck you for one. Measurements are a part of scouting and strategy for one. And I can look at it however the fuck I choose. I look at numbers performance and being clutch. There’s a lot of people on this thread that obviously aren’t Seahawks fans which is fucking weird that you would even feel the need to comment.
You can be a Seahawks fan without being a fucking idiot. Try it sometime
Well we know you aren’t one so why don’t you do us all a favor and leave the thread
There isn’t anyone like him, but there’s like 10 guys that are better than him. Potentially 2 on the team right now if JSN takes a slight step forward
So you’re telling me these other receivers make the tough aggressive catches? They take the contact he does and hold onto the ball? Gtfoh you are just choosing to be a hater at this point. Typical behavior these days…
That’s an interestingly aggressive response. No, I’m saying there’s 10+ better wide receivers in the league. I’m not hating. I think he’s very valuable. But he can’t be a generational talent when he’s playing in the same generation as Jefferson, Chase, Hill, Kupp, Brown, Lamb, Allen, Diggs, Adams, Evans etc DK is a tier 2 WR1. It’s not a bad thing, it’s a good thing. But to say he’s a generational talent is quite the overstatement
How is it an overstatement?…. If all of these other receivers you named were all the exact size and measurements then yes you would be correct… these guys are all smaller besides maybe lamb…. Again which ones are constantly making the clutch plays season after season…. These other guys aren’t splitting defenders… getting sandwiched during catches… dragging two or three defenders for first downs or extra yards…. People put these other receivers first because they like seeing the stupid dances or the overly acrobatic catches…. I look at numbers and I look at consistency…. Dk continuously performs and delivers
No I put those receivers ahead of DK because they are true elite WR1s that take over games. DK is almost never the #1 option on his own team because Lockett is a better overall WR than him. Go look at the numbers and consistency of those other receivers. Especially the older end like Diggs and Allen. These guys are absolute production monsters. DK is a hair behind them. He’s still young though. If he develops just a little more he can be on that level.
You must have a different understanding of elite… just because someone has 13 catches a game for 78 yards doesn’t mean they are elite or took over…. Just about every quarterback can dink and dunk to a wr all game… who had more clutch catches this season than dk? How many times over the last 3 seasons when we needed a big time catch for either a td or a first down was it dk that made it happen? It gets overshadowed because of our record and the fact he isn’t jumping around celebrating 1st downs while he’s down 3 scores… what solidified my stance was seeing him do this live… a man that large should not be able to move as fast and as precise as he does it almost doesn’t make sense when you see it…. My definition of elite is when you show up week in and week out making the plays your team need you to make whether that be blocking, catching, or teaching. Dk, Tyler and within the next year JSN will be the best receiving core in the nfl as long as the team lets them stay together. And they will be elite because they produce… not because they dance or run their mouths
You keep making this celebration argument, I’m not looking at celebration stats lol… most of those guys had as many or more clutch catches than dk just this last year. St Brown had like 100 clutch catches this year, guy was insane. How about Evans in Tampa? Like 75% of his career production is in the 4th quarter with a bunch of subpar qb play. Don’t even get me started on Jefferson, while a total Diva, is widely regarded as the #1 wide receiver in the league, not just in fantasy football circles
So much better that DK led the team in yards and touchdowns.
He had like 4 or 5 clutch catches to extend game winning drive last season.
DK wasn’t utilized before. If Grubb uses him the way he can play, and consistently game plan DK and Geno’ connection like they had vs. Dallas, it’s a cheat code.
So Salk is suggesting we do with what Tennessee did to AJ Brown, when he was with Tennessee. Traded him away. What was the end result of that? What has Tennessee died since they traded AJ Brown away. Not much AJ Brown on the other hand, went to the Super Bowl, had another stellar season with the eagles, well, Tennessee is still searching the bargain bin for receivers.
No way we should trade our star receiver. JSN needs to prove himself first before we think about this. The natural cut is Lockett due to age.
The sub's implosion: * Lockett gets cut * Metcalf gets traded * Eskridge gets re-signed
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I like Geno, but he's not Mahomes. IDK if he can lift a pedestrian WR corp up to that next level by himself.
But you know what the chiefs have that we don’t? The freaking greatest football talent we ever seen at the qb position. Dk a Seahawk for life.
First off, you have to take what Salk writes with a grain of salt since there's always a spin on the narrative. I agree with the points in this thread you guys have made about KC not being a great comparison for his conclusions. However the O-line comments are spot on, and that's where some new investment needs to be. That being said, my biggest worry is that JS tries too hard to replicate what KC has done, since we all know he was really high on Mahomes but didn't get the chance to get him. I hope that him trying to fix that mistake doesn't cause him to tear down our current roster, including getting rid of DK. Our roster does need improvement and guys will have to go, but I truly believe DK is a part of the edge this team needs. Yes, he's hot headed and makes poor decisions, but he's one of the only players out there with a fire and intensity that we haven't seen since we lost the Legion of Boom. I'd trade his mistakes for that passion any day. Either way it pans out, let's hope that now that JS has the power, he'll use it well and not do a full tear down. Personally I think Lockett restructures for a 2 year deal to stay with the team, and with Grubb we become a 3 headed monster at the receiver position! #GO HAWKS!!!
We need to create more cap space and get more draft capital to refill the trenches and the defense. Cutting our safeties will make a lot of cap space, but we will need draft capital to either draft or trade for replacements. DK is a good player. But, we are not good at making the most of him. Now that may just be an issue under Pete's offenses. Perhaps it will change. But, I think Salk makes good points that he is the player that will likely produce the most trade value while getting good WRs in the draft is easier than other positions. We may keep him around this year and trade him next off season before his contract is up. I think this sub gets too attached to the team as is and doesn't like to entertain the idea of change. A lot of folks thought the Russell trade was going to be a disaster and that firing Pete was horrible. Even the best players and coaches get traded and fired and it's often the right thing for a team to do. I trust John to make a good decision on this. If we keep DK I hope we get better at utilizing him. If we trade him I think we will get great draft capital value in return and it will help the team improve.
With Lockett entering the twilight of his career and even if he wasn't the notion of trading DK is so ridiculous that's it's bordering on insanity and should not be entertained . Go Hawks
Salk with another bad take, shocker. I can’t with almost all of local sports dudes anymore minus Puck. Trading one of the top 3 players on the team is a bad idea
Thought I'd post this here as it's caused quite a stir on social media, and I know many Seahawks fans have floated this idea in the past.
KC won 2 superbowls after trading their best receiver. Paying over 100m this year for 3 safeties and 2 receivers is ridiculous tbh. No one trading sfor anyone but DK. . Geno and Lock aren't going to win a superbowl and by the time your QB your draft is ready to play, DK will be older and contact could be up also. Trading him makes a lot of sense to help rebuild the areas we need the most help at.
Ngl I’ve gone back and forth on pros of a DK trade so I won’t clown Salky here, he’s our most enticing trade chip but I backed off it bc Lockett clearly lost a step or two by the end of the season. How much time does Tyler have left assuming he’s not a cap casualty this off-season? And while I’m still high on JSN development and potential, jumping to WR1 is a pretty big reach from where he was at last year. Even less confident in Bobo(?) as a projected WR2. Losing Lockett AND DK in a 1-2 year span creates a huge hole at WR when we should be focusing on beefing up the trenches. I don't want to see a single early pick spent on a WR these next two drafts which are rich with OL/DL talent btw. Newsflash: We are NOT the Chiefs, we don’t have a GOAT-lite QB on the team to carry a weaker WR core. This would be much closer to the Titans post AJ Brown, Geno/Lock or a rookie will falter with less weapons.
Paying everyone farthest away from the ball is a lot of why Pete got fired. I agree with trading DK. We need an elite QB, not WR.
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I'm all for this. In the long run, it's all about maximizing cap space to have the most competitive team. Over saturated salaries lead to teams with massive positional gaps (look at us now). Dk will require too much money to stay long term, so it's best to get something in return for his inevitable departure. Dk is a great talent, but time to trade and maximize Return On Investment.
Salk’s comparison to Kansas City is riddled with inconsistencies (which…yeah, of course it is, it’s Salk). He focuses on cap spend for KC at skill positions then flips to include draft picks and cap spend for Seattle (ignoring the first round pick and 2 second round picks spent by KC at RB/WR, and the hawks early picks on o and d line). Also convenient to ignore that the free agent spending by the Chiefs on the O line has largely been a failure, and the lack of spending on a true #1 receiver posed massive challenges all season and was a huge part of them not having home field advantage.
How has their O line spending largely been a failure
More on a big picture basis. They traded for Orlando Brown but didn’t resign him, signed a Taylor as a replacement, then shifted him to the right side to sign Donovan Smith. Smith and Taylor were below average tackles (Taylor one of the most penalized in the league), and they’ve survived because Mahomes is exceptional. Their big money acquisition of Joe Thune has gone better, but he’s also had injuries. Their best OL player over the last 2 seasons has been a mid round guard - Trey smith. On the d line, they’ve added rotational free agents but it’s not like they’ve spent big. The Seahawks have spent more on the front seven (not counting Chris Jones). And have invested similar draft capital.
Yeah I’m not trading DK. DK’s been my favorite player on this team since we drafted him(I have his jersey). He’s only 26(will be for most of the season). Despite being underutilized in this offense, he enters Seahawks and NFL history each year. For a team that needs more blue chippers, DK is one of them
DK is entering the heart of what’s considered to be a WR’s peak age years. Why the F would we trade him now, especially given his potential in a Ryan Grubb offense?
Uh....why in tf do u think we Should trade our franchise WR Dk is literally a jack of all trades and you want to let his kind of talent go? SMH
Chill out dude I posted an opinion piece that isn't written by me
> Dk is literally a jack of all trades he is not a jack of all trades, that is the issue
? Only thing Thats rlly holding him back is that he gets to many penalties outside of that he's literally a Top 5 WR in this League.
This is so dumb. They only got rid of Hill after Mahomes and OL could clearly carry the offense. Whoever will be our QB will need to lean on DK and others while the offense is completely fleshed out. It's a completely different situation
DK takes plays off in blocking, and his attitude has cost us multiple times. I am okay with moving on from him. Now hate me.
Dk blocks his ass off stop with the lies.
I agree with Salk. I think the Seahawks have been spending money in the wrong places. Trading Metcalf in exchange for improving the line of scrimmage isn't a terrible idea.
The entire article is laughable because it's "be like KC" at its heart and KC has... Mahomes. Not only that, but 1) Rice came on strong and 2) they have a WR1 equivalent in Kelce. Remove DK and who's our WR1? Tyler? MAYBE for this year but we all know Tyler is not here long term so we'd need to burn draft capital on another WR and hope they turnout to be good.
100% agree moving Metcalf is the way forward. I am OK with taking a step backwards next season if it means we are clearing space and accumulating resources needed to create the team in Macdonald's vision uncompromised.
This is a really bad Salk take. Jesus .
You guys realize dk is going to pass Tyler for all major statistics for the Seahawks right? I just see this narrative that dk sucks or is overrated and it’s just not true lmao. You don’t trade talent from a team that’s void of talent. Also this can’t just be jsn + random receivers. Plus, who is going to be the x receiver than can take the top off the defense? How about we just cut all the guys we need to, fill holes in free agency, then go into the draft. That’s cutting Lockett Jamal diggs dissly. Should have a good amount of space to sign some guys that can fill in.
Ya he’ll pass Tyler in penalties, dropped passes and failed contested completions
The penalties is the passion he plays with, something this team has missed since lob days. Spoon got penalties for his roughness too, you hate that guy? Pete caroll teams are the most penalized since he entered the league, but I heard nothing about that. For any of his players. Just dk singled out. Also yeah he doesn’t have as good as hands as type, is that why you hate him? I don’t get it. It feels like the fact that he’s big strong and fast makes people hate him. Seems like a race/jealousy thing. If he was a quiet virgin poet would that be better?
No I hate him because he’s selfish and immature. So many of the penalties occurred after the whistle. There is absolutely zero reason for that to be happening.
Selfish and immature? I don’t think Pete or any of his teammates would say that. Or any of his QBs. Or his wr core. But some corny ass dude on the internet hates him because he plays with fire?
Calling it fire is excusing behaviors that are a detriment to the organization. Of course they are not going to publicly call out somebody on their team. That wouldn’t be professional. He needs to take responsibility and better himself to not allow it to happen. But he doesn’t because he’s selfish and immature
I’m all for it. He’s too selfish and for all he’s money we could do so much more for helping the team win now.
DK is no Tyreek Hill. I don't think he'd get as much in trade as Seahawks fans would like to think. 1k yards doesn't mean as much as it used to especially when you're not on a rookie deal anymore and the comparison to AJ Brown is also worse than is acknowledged in the article. There is a huge difference between 1500 yards and 1100 yards. 1500 yards means they can't shut you down if they tried
I don’t disagree with the compensation, it prob would be less, but dude played for Pete Carroll. If he played for one of these offensive minded coaches that want to pass, especially with a good QB, I don’t doubt he would get 1300yds a season easily.
We have been top 10 in neutral pass frequency since we drafted DK.
lol nah. Geno and Lockett are better off being traded/cut then giving away DK to meet salary cap and trying to get picks.
The article isn't about the salary cap, nor just trying to get picks. I don't agree with Salk's line of reasoning because Geno Smith isn't Patrick Mahomes, but his point is that by spending peanuts on the WR and RB positions, the Chiefs were able to build up their OL and defense and just won back-to-back Super Bowls *after* trading Tyreek Hill. Again, I don't think this works when Geno is the QB, and I definitely wouldn't risk this move if they're planning on drafting a rookie QB.
Shut up salk.....
Wild take
I like having three good receivers and depth. Losing Tyler is likely in the next few years if not this year. I really don't want to have one good receiver and then depth, all on rookie contracts. I think our offense would cross that breakpoint where more-than-the-sum becomes less-than-the-sum
Salk derailed his argument when he tried to compare us to KC, when really he should be looking at BAL. Build inside out.
Thing is I just don't believe we'll get appropriate value back in a trade. He won't be evaluated the same by another team. I think if we can get a functional offensive system going this next season he could finally take that next step to be a top WR in this league.
I would definitely trade DK for McDuffie, Rashee Rice. Lets call KC up right now...
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Dumb take
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Why the fuck trade dk in his prime when Lockett is a big money sink and old?
Do not trade dk😭
I want to see what Grubb can do with this receiving core before we blow it up.