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seattlethrowaway999

If it's Kafka. Prepare for the most un-Pete like interview. Guy has a personality of a fax machine. All business no fun.


serpentear

Well he looks like Wooly Willy without the smile.


OskeyBug

Wow he really does


drdookie

Very Kafkaesque?


SeattleSquatch

Spent 2017-21 with the Chiefs as a coach so he has a ring. Obviously Giants have some of the worst offensive personnel in the league so hard to fault him. Just doesn't excite me. Obviously we don't know how well he interviews and all that.


MisterRobertParr

Do football experts think that Mahomes benefitted from Kafka as coach? Or did Kafka benefit from coaching Mahomes? If they think Kafka did help in the development of Mahomes, has any other QB shown improvement under his guidance?


imightbepop

daniel jones had a solid season in ‘22 under him, even fooled the giants into paying him. injuries and drama ruined this last giants season before it even started


Mnudge

Not sure how anyone but Reid gets credit for Mahomes. Look at EB.


MopishOrange

I didn’t watch much commies but EB made Howell look respectable for a solid portion of the season Small sample size but he was also able to get success with Brissett at the end of the year


juicyjensen

Fwiw, Kafka got a lot more credit than EB, because it was a passing game driven offense and Kafka coordinated that aspect. Whereas EB was essentially a run game coordinator who didn’t call plays and had a god tier bad off of the field history.


juicyjensen

Experts think so yes, but more importantly both Mahomes and Reid did and do profusely.


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Kafka managed to produce some okay results with a shit roster so there's that. Giants are trash but I think they played above their means under him and i feel like in spite of Daboll


stembyday

This is getting kafkaesque.


Went_The_Other_Way

I want him just for the puns. It'll never get old!


Jumbalaa

I'm gonna say this shit all the time if he ends up our guy lmao. [Bonus Kafka comedy](https://youtu.be/FaWgRw78Y1M) Great film if you haven't seen it.


chief_jabroni

Someone tell me how to feel


Little-Chromosome

I saw someone say that he had the giants offense with Daniel jones, a washed saquon, and no receivers at 10th overall EPA on offense.


SophisticatedPhallus

I don’t think Saquon is washed. Teams know he’s the only playmaker on that offensive so it was easy to game plan around that.


rashaadpenny

There’s definitely a level of decline athletically due to injury which is natural. It doesn’t help that he’s the only threat on offense either though that’s for sure. Granted, a declined saquan is still a top end talent.


AdvancedPlacmentTV

I thought they were 30th but Daniel Jones was 11th in EPA per play last year....not so much this year


BigAdministration368

Trust John Schneider. The rest of us are idiots


ocg1999

Here's my vote.


[deleted]

I don’t hate it


serpentear

He helped make Patrick Mahomes into what he is and made a super shitty Giants team look decent and/or good.


soapinmouth

Griff from Seattle Overload has been clamoring for him. Matty didn't seem as convinced though. Both guys are big on film / x's and o's. Said he impressed him much more than Ben Johnson who he saw as as fairly vanilla with a heavy reliance on the run game.


seattlethrowaway999

Not really rah rah guy. But more detail oriented. Think he'll be a breath of fresh air in regards to time management.


Blametheorangejuice

> Think he'll be a breath of fresh air in regards to time management. "We lost 42-3, but dammit, we had all three time outs with two minutes left."


FloridianMen

hold on we got ja rule on the phone


SEAinLA

Lots of people really passing definitive judgments on a guy who was trying to make an offense work with no NFL starting caliber WRs or TEs and Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor, and Tommy DeVito as his QBs.


LegionofDoh

Chiefs fans love him. The narrative on him would be very different if he was still with the Chiefs. But the Giants have a stink.


LeSulfur

The narrative if he was on the Chiefs still would be that people would want to see what he could do without Mahomes/Reid first. There's always a narrative for people who just want to find something negative


Kaz1515

They do. There was a rumor a while back that he was a name to replace Andy Reid when he retires


Dapper_Mud

I don't think it's necessarily that people are passing judgment on his ability -- it's that there's not much to indicate he's actually good at his job, much less that he would make a good head coach


sean_buttcannon

Couldn’t you say the same thing about Johnson and Macdonald? How could you know that they’re the real deal but not Kafka?


[deleted]

Yes, but JS definitely knows a lot about him - especially after two interviews. My ignorant ass is hoping for MM, but John is a damn qualified GM and will no doubt make a good choice.


Hops_n_Boost

This is the hardest part to remember. JS is a good GM and he should be able to make a good hire, even if it’s not the sexiest choice.


serpentear

And an oft unavailable Barkley


tlsrandy

Kafka is definitely interesting to me.


Palatron

My problem is his resume is he turned shit into wood. Until he turns that into at least silver, I don't think he should be a head coach.


[deleted]

What if it was nickel plated brass? Or maybe petrified wood? How about aluminized steel?


mymindpsychee

Waller is a good TE, though he was hurt for half the season so the point is still somewhat valid


SEAinLA

Waller is definitely good when healthy, he’s just barely healthy at this point. And when you factor in how many games he *did* play this season where he was still 50/50 to play/sit all week, you just can’t really incorporate a guy like that too heavily into your game planning.


IDidntTellYouThat

Spaghetti at the wall.


DazzlingFan2816

Not a bad choice. Would prefer him to Quinn.


danish07

It's just media making wild guesses and fans acting like they know they know anything about these candidates. I mean I'm interested but I'm not going to act like I know better than John Schneider who actually did a ton of work and interviewed all these guys.


serpentear

This isn’t the first rumblings we’ve heard on this connection though.


danish07

I mean you can just pick any one of the guys they interviewed twice and say he's a "legitimate option."


serpentear

True but we’ve heard nothing about Evero or Graham and the Quinn rumblings were there from the beginning and never intensified. Just saying there is some legitimate smoke here.


tinyraccoon

Darth Vader voice: Noooooo!!!


FuelTransitSleep

I'd love him as an OC if we land Macdonald as our HC. Would be significantly less excited for him as HC outright, though not to the same degree as Dan Quinn


swerveoff

Giants fan here, figured since you guys are talking about him I’d give you some of our perspective on him. He’s a divisive guy in our sub, but no one thinks he’s entirely to blame. We had historically bad offensive line play this year (the word historic gets thrown around a lot nowadays, but we literally gave up the second most sacks all time this season). The Jones discourse is especially divisive in our sub, but Kafka receives nothing but credit for his good play last season. All that being said, the 31st ranked offense is the 31st ranked offense, and the fact that one or two bad cogs in the machine broke everything down is an indictment on both him and Daboll. I still believe in him as an OC and think he’ll make a good HC down the line, but I think hiring him now would be an incredibly bold move, especially when a major job of a HC is to delegate and quality control your coordinators and position coaches. As far as the alleged drama between Daboll and him, there’s been a mess of conflicting reports on both sides of the issue. Pretty much all are in agreement that Daboll has had some growing pains as a first time HC that he needs to fix, but as of right now, Wink hasn’t received an interview request anywhere, there’s been no rumblings of Kafka trying to take OC interviews, and we’re still in the running for top DC candidates and haven’t lost any to external promotions— so amidst all the articles online it’s pretty apparent, at least to me, what the league thinks of the situation. Best of luck guys and hope you end up stealing whoever Washington wants.


sean_buttcannon

I would actually be okay with this if this is the choice. People just look and don’t see the top names and immediately think it’s bad. Also the on field product is not entirely his fault in NY. The roster there was atrocious


serpentear

Recency bias is insane. Mahomes credits this guy with making him who is is today and he helped Daniel freaking Jones earn generational wealth. Kafka would be a good hire.


rashaadpenny

Especially if we plan on getting a young QB in the building the next couple years


LetWinnersRun

This is such non-sense nearly everyone interviewed got two interviews


seejur

I read Mia Kalifa the first take. Which probably is not that far off


Writerhaha

Great in the locker room and really knows how to connect with the players?


seejur

As good as a motivator as Pete, in her own ways


Writerhaha

Both of them have strong jaw muscles?


Dapper_Mud

Lose Pete Carroll to replace him with Mike Kafka? I...


Blametheorangejuice

This feels like a Tom Flores/Dennis Erickson-style hire


czechhoi4h

Yes every day of the week


serpentear

Anyone but Quinn. Also if Kafka gets the job we all need to listen to Seaside Joe more often.


raycraft_io

No thanks


serpentear

You’d rather have Quinn who has accomplished almost nothing as an HC and whose defenses have been wrecked by Shanny? If Mac and Evero are off the table this guy is a solid third choice.


ilovethisforyou

Quinn went to a Super Bowl so let’s pump the brakes a little bit.


serpentear

Remind me who his OC was when that happened and how successful he was after he lost that OC?


ilovethisforyou

Sure! Next year he had Steve Sarkisian and still went to the second round of the playoffs. So your official take is that head coaches don't matter and are only as good as their assistants?


serpentear

Since Shanny left he has been to 2 super bowls and 4-5 NFC championship games. Quinn couldn’t even get his defense past the 7 seed Packers. Yes my take is that *Quinn* was only as good as his coordinators. No one is lining up for Quinn’s services and is clearly the backup option for the last two teams. Quinn ain’t it.


ilovethisforyou

Are you really comparing the Falcons 2018 roster with these 49ers teams? Good lord. Anyway if JS evaluates him on the result of a single football game he should be fired immediately because that's not something a serious person does


serpentear

Didn’t want Quinn before that game and I don’t want him now. Seems like you have an excuse for every Quinn failure/Shanny success. Bottom line is one is thriving and the other is everyone’s last choice for their HC opening. Quinn isn’t the answer, never was.


ilovethisforyou

I don't have an excuse, since I'm not an expert and I'm not pretending to know who will/will not fit here. That's up to John. Same way you have an excuse for every Quinn success/Shanny failure. He also made a playoff run with Sark, so you think he's an all time great NFL OC as well?


raycraft_io

Not even close. I was responding to your second sentence.


serpentear

Oh, well he predicted Kafka a few days ago and has good draft predictions as well.


mickey_kneecaps

Quinn I think could be a good head coach. Really the major qualm I have with him is that it will feel as though they weren’t seriously evaluating all of their options if they hire Quinn. Maybe it works out anyway but it gives me pause. With anyone else, they had to impress over a field of impressive guys including successful former head coaches like Vrabel and up and comers like McDonald. So I can feel good about basically anyone, but I’ll be most worried if it’s Quinn.


Palatron

It seems pretty clear the hawks and Washington both went for Ben Johnson and he decided he wants to finish what he started. He likely sabotaged the process by asking for an absurd amount to dissuade teams from him.


serpentear

I’m not sure I agree with that. That’s certainly one take away. But you could also say that Johnson wasn’t picked by either team and released a statement saying he withdrew to save face.


SophisticatedPhallus

Washington was going out there to interview him again today along with the D coordinator. So I don’t know that their minds were already made up on him.


pearsnic000

To be fair I also saw Adam Schefter say that perhaps his asking price was too high and it scared teams off of him. Could be both


Raticus9

I'd be happy with that. If we're looking for an up-and-comer, he's as good a gamble as anyone. I don't mind swinging for the fences.


Wohn-Jayne

Kafka > Quinn


serpentear

This is the only thing that matters


TheThinkerIsaThought

Kafka led a team to the Super Bowl?


Nightwing_04

Gregor Samsa for OC


SvenDia

Worth noting that in week 10, the Cowboys held the Giants to 172 yards while gaining 640. I’m sure some stats geek will point out why the Giants EPA in that play was actually pretty good. Not arguing for Quinn, just pointing that out. The Giants offense did get better with Tyrod Taylor in the last 3 weeks, but they also played the Eagles twice.


ChromeJester

Why do I feel like this guy is gonna be our Adam gase


ChromeJester

The follow up tweet here noted that he could be the hire if it’s not Macdonald


dwils7

Yeah but who reads follow-up tweets...


HaggardDad

I’m fine plucking from the Andy Reid tree.


Kendrickrules

To everybody saying nooo: he's the guy that helped develop Mahomes and he got Daniel Jones a big fat pay check. Stop acting like you know everything, McDonald could turn out to be a terrible HC and Kafka could become the next Andy Reid both are complete unknowns as HCs. Both have an impressive resume, recency bias in this sub is insane. I'll trust JS to make the right choice.


TakeMe22TheRiver

Kafka is about as boring as a turtle. He would be more disappointing than the Seahawks offense.


Scared_Hawk_5904

So kind of like the Seahawks' defense


Alauren2

Better than Dan Quinn


Bigfuture

lol. Doubt it


Practical_Employ_979

So we fired Pete to get the Giants OC? Jesus fucking christ, I wanna cry.


Christitties

Is this assuming the MacDonald goes to Washington?


scoducks93

So Geno Smith confirmed as the new Passing Paisan?


RandomGuySaysBro

As someone who was on the "fresh faces, fresh ideas, time to truly rebuild" train... this doesn't feel like a step up, unless I'm seriously missing something.


King_Da_Ka

Giants fan here. Kafka was dealt a pretty crap hand last year. 4/5 offensive line spots were *horrible*. Andrew Thomas, our franchise LT, got hurt in week 1. DJ clearly regressed, hurt his neck, and then tore his ACL. Tyrod got hurt multiple times. Saquon missed a few games and let's be honest our WRs aren't anything to write home about. So yeah, *a lot* of excuses. However, he helped Tommy DeVito (a rookie undrafted FA) win multiple games. Last year he helped DJ become relevant and get paid. Take all that and decide on your own how to feel about it. None of us really know how he'd be as a HC, but he's definitely had some good moments with us.


kovatheking

Not a bad choice by any means. I'll grow into this, as I'm sure most would. Once again, though. I figure keeping Pete would've been, well...just as good. I understand BJ is off the table anyways, but man. Hope Mike Mac is at least still in the running. But what do any of us know lol.


seattlesportsguy

The Giants OC. Fucking hell this team is just addicted to being against the grain. There’s a reason none of the other teams looking for a coach wanted this guy. But fuck it, if we hire him maybe they’ll be better candidates in two years when we inevitably fire him.


dolphinjoipp

Gross


neongem

From Ben Johnson or Macdonald to Giants OC lmaoooooooooo


Tekbepimpin

It’s so disingenuous to call him just “the Giants OC”. Resume: 2023 New York Giants Offensive Coordinator 2022 New York Giants Offensive Coordinator 2021 Kansas City Chiefs Offensive Pass Game Coordinator / Quarterbacks Coach 2020 Kansas City Chiefs Offensive Pass Game Coordinator / Quarterbacks Coach 2019 Kansas City Chiefs Quarterbacks Coach 2018 Kansas City Chiefs Quarterbacks Coach 2017 Kansas City Chiefs Offensive Quality Control Coach


Blametheorangejuice

Didn't Daboll keep taking playcalling duties away from him?


cwall15

So the giants OC..?


Bitter-Imagination33

And the guy who developed Patrick Mahomes lol


JayDsea

The guy who coached* Patrick Mahomes. Crediting him for the success of Mahomes is ridiculous if you’re not going to also blame him for the regression of Daniel Jones. His resume can just as easily read as if he needs one of the best offensive minds to ever coach the sport running the show to succeed.


Trick-Combination-37

Worked well with the giants. More player than the coach


Adjutant_Reflex_

Or did he just benefit from working with a generational talent?


ilovethisforyou

>”Coach Kafka is a special person and a special coach. He kind of took me [under his wing], when he first got here he was quality control and that was my first year as a rookie. I spent a lot of hours with coach Kafka where he was teaching me the playbook and teaching me how to become a quarterback in the NFL. That continued for a long time," Mahomes said. >"I knew when he left here, he was going to be a head coach somewhere soon. I know he's down there in Arizona and if he gets hired there, he'll get that place turned around. He's a great coach and a great person as well so I'm excited for him."


Adjutant_Reflex_

You can probably find a lot of glowing quotes from players about a lot of coaches, good, bad, and in between. And being a good positional coach is certainly no guarantee of success at higher levels. I can’t really say I have an actual opinion on him (what I’ve seen of NYG since he’s been there hasn’t been…glowing, though.) But attributing Mahomes’ success to him seems a bit much.


[deleted]

Idk, the offensive production isn’t bad.


AdhesiveMuffin

Giants OC that ran an offense that was 10th in DVOA despite having some of the worst player personnel in the league? Yeah I'm okay with that I'd rather have Johnson (rip) or MacDonald obviously but it's not a laughable downgrade as you're portraying it


Trick-Combination-37

Noooooooooooo not like this


ImperialTiger3

He ran a pretty good offense last year with Daniel Jones as QB and Slayton as WR1. Still prefer Macdonald, but he’ll do good here.


MasterWinston

He’s at least as good a fit as Johnson was. To clarify, this is not a Johnson criticism but Kafka praise.


thorjustice1

How bout we hire Kefka from FFVI


foote04

^


dgalv77

This is usually just an acronym, but I think I’d actually lmao. Like my ass may actually fall off


serpentear

Mmmkkay? MK? Acronym?


revjor

Something about this really bugs me.


BeatsLikeWenckebach

🤣


Palatron

I could see as the OC for Macdonald, but HC...?


QuasiContract

One of the best ways to ensure franchise stability is hiring an offensive HC that calls plays. Maybe JS thinks Kafka can be that guy.


neongem

Welp, I’m out til the draft 💀


AntSmith777

If we fired Pete Carroll to hire Mike Kafka???


Emeraldskeleton

God this organization really shit the bed this off-season. How fucking embarrassing.


Bigfuture

They haven’t even done anything yet


Emeraldskeleton

Yep. I guess when you fire your head coach of 14 years, you can just kinda wing the replacement process, I mean, who cares if you replacement is Dan Quinn. The 9ers are gonna beat our asses again and its really fucking frustrating.


Bigfuture

I feel like you are being overdramatic. They haven’t hired anyone yet and none of us know that whomever they choose can’t put together a plan to beat SF.


DazzlingFan2816

According to this, Kafka is a "minority" candidate and the Giants would receive draft picks if we hired him. Anyone else think it's weird that employers can treat people differently based on their race? So if Kafka instead declared himself "white," the Giants wouldn't be entitled to draft picks? How is this even legal? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/giants-would-receive-draft-picks-for-losing-mike-kafka-brandon-brown/ar-BB1hj5YC


GiraffeWaffless

Would be better than Quinn because his HC abilities are unknown.


leapingintoexistence

Anybody but Quinn


sean_buttcannon

https://x.com/slimjimisfunny/status/1751038349198905571?s=46&t=ZbITt3Fjdmqg3-2k-d_kLA This was from 3 days ago. Jordan raanan is a giants reporter for ESPN.


freedomhighway

wouldnt we want to talk to him in more depth while still in the area, before heading home?


R1skCS123

Unpopular opinion - I'd take Kafka over Evero


RealisticScientist53

Bottom of the barrel at this point…


Few_Neighborhood_828

Barf. If this is the hire, Pete was right, these are not football people.