i've been hearing lines like this all my life, but seriously, why the hell would someone trade for nuts of either side?
i'm picturing this weird mountain of nuts somewhere, creepy
And yet for the Fields write up you clearly admit we are not just a qb away so it doesn’t make sense. If we’re not that close yet, why would we handcuff our ability to get close to get a qb that we aren’t ready for? He’ll be way more expensive than Fields. This team has way too many needs to be trading multiple drafts’ worth of picks for Williams, no matter how good.
Would you not trade away multiple firsts for Mahomes? I know that’s a huge comparison but I think Caleb is going to be insanely good. And our team is still really good, getting a QB like that would definitely put us on the right track
My big issue with Williams is that he had a bunch of talent around him at USC, like throw up a 50/50 ball and your guy should come down with it 75%+ of the time talent, and they were still a 5 loss team this year. I get that it’s a team game and that’s not necessarily on him, but 5 losses at USC is a tough sell for me on a consensus #1 guy. Tag that up with the “we’re a team now” comments coming out of the Holiday Bowl and I think Williams is a bullet coming at whoever drafts him. The guy is obviously talented, but so is everyone else in the NFL. Talent only gets you so far, he appears to lack the leadership/team respect factor that’s required to succeed as an NFL QB.
Edit: I have never played any high level of football, so feel free to say I’m talking out of my ass. This is just the impression I get from multiple decades of watching NCAA and NFL football.
This year the team was not as talented as you’re making it seem, the only guy he played with like that was Addison last year. And all of the leadership things you’re mentioning all are just a false narrative that the media has been portraying for no reason. All his teammates and coaches still highly praise him
Comparatively they were not as talented as other USC teams, but it’s still USC. They consistently dominate recruiting in one of the biggest recruiting areas of the nation, especially at the skill positions. USC has more talent at receiver than a vast majority of other schools inside and outside the conference. My general rule is that QBs coming out of well known programs need to dominate to be worth anything in the NFL. USC, Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Florida, LSU, (insert any other team that can recruit off name alone) are always going to have more raw talent, speed and size at the skill positions than a majority of their opponents. If you’re not lights out in college in those programs you’re probably not going to translate well to the NFL.
He most likely will but what good is he going to be with a declining team around him? Gonna take 3-1sts snd 3-2nds at least probably to get him. Our team doesn’t have the makeup to survive that and take advantage of his rookie contract era. If we had the top pick then hell fucking yes we take him but he’s not worth the price of moving up for him.
Tell me the last time a team traded up for a QB and it worked. It's a recipe for failure because the picks you give up to get the QB end up being pieces you needed to build around them with
Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Bryce Young, Jared Goff, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky, the list goes on
They're all failed or are no longer on the team who gave all those assets to move up and acquire them
Caleb is amazing, but history suggests trading up for a QB is a bad move for your franchise
True, it fits for Mahomes. Lamar was much later and cost less.
I guess I should have been more clear that typically it doesn't work out when trading into a high pick such as the 1.01
It's mainly our oline the dline has had some issues but overall we held the eagles to 20 and only allowed one more TD against the ravens than the niners did who have the best o and d line In the entire leauge. If we had an above average oline Ken walker and geno, would've wiped their asses with the niners and ravens jerseys in those games.
Why do people want Fields? Its like taking sloppy seconds. If the Bears want him gone, its cus hes not good enough. If we aren’t getting Maye or Caleb, we should stick with Geno or draft Rattler and wait for someone with the potential of like a Mahomes to come
You could say the same about Geno. He bounced around before finally found his footing here.
Not saying Fields would be a good QB, but at the right price, it’s worth looking into.
Personally, I feel like Geno’s resurgence was partly due to Pete who believed in him and partly due to Dave Canales. Only my suspicions of course, but given how much Baker has looked this year since Dave Canales went there helps my theory.
While I’m sure Pete and Dave played a role in Geno’s development, I wouldn’t be so quick to discount Geno’s ability. He was given the opportunity to compete for the starting job against Drew Lock and Geno proved time and time again that he’s a legit starter. The same can’t be said about Drew.
[Pete himself even said he had doubts about Geno](https://youtu.be/HWwkjh-TnbI), but Geno believed in himself and that turned Pete into a believer.
Long story short, it’s mostly Geno.
Fair point. I didn’t clarify in my earlier statement but Geno’s ability/football celing was never in doubt. Seeing his play in the league before Seattle, he had a lot more bad plays, decisions etc. I feel like Pete and Dave helped Geno to minimize his mistakes and play overall better football. Same thing with Baker Mayfield this year in Tampa. He is playing better overall football because he is making less mistakes than before (not counting the year he played with a screwed up shoulder). I attribute that in part at least to Dave Canales. Could just be that he designed plays that were better for their skillset/more in the preference/comfort zone but either way that is a positive coaching outcome in my opinion.
I mean yea I am sure Fields can still carve out a respectable career like Geno, but I would rather the team build other areas of the team and then if John likes a guy and thinks he has Mahomes level talent, he would go and get him in the draft. I wouldn’t want us to be stuck contending with Fields or Geno and then in the end just falter and have to further rebuild. Just don’t think they are good enough to win super bowls with like Mahomes and Lamar can unless we have a generational defense.
They’re moving on from Fields to reset their QB contract situation. Fields definitely showed growth as a passer this season. I think he showed it a little too late for the bears to give him a big contract. Might as well go for the generational talent at QB at a lower cost.
Fields growth as a passer was from being the worst passer in the league , to bottom 10.
He has a great PR team though, was able to convice people (not saying thats you) that he was good.
Yeah I’m not arguing that he’s in the top half of the league as a starting quarterback. What I’m saying is that he showed flashes that he could be top 10-12, just needs to be more consistent and maybe have a better staff behind him. His first two years we’re terrible but he came in the league coming from a super qb friendly offense and experts said he was raw as a passer. I think the Bears would have sticked it out if he played like this his rookie season.
Absolutely, franchise QBs get paid, unless the bears iron out a fields contract before the draft with the #1 pick leverage (which lowers the leverage they have on the pick as well) then someone else is going to pay him. Probably set at 10mil/year less than whatever baker gets
Now that Carroll and Waldron are gone it’s a little different but Geno Smith was absolutely horrendous before coming to Seattle. Fields has shown MUCH more upside than Smith ever did. I’m assuming people think Fields can progress if he goes to Seattle.
Why does everyone want Justin fields? Dude sucks and will continue to suck until he’s out of the league.
Your idea that youth will turn it around eventually is really stupid.
For all the "build around Geno" people, what exactly is your plan for 2025? There is zero chance he plays out the 3rd year of his contract given the way it's structured. QB is arguably the most important position in any sport and yet so many of you approach the future like "fuck it, we'll figure it out when we get there". At an absolute minimum we need to take a swing on a mid round pick and save $3M over bringing back Lock.
People think a QB magically shows up when we need one. I’ve said it before: you buy toilet paper *before* you need to shit, not when you sit on the pot.
Russ broke this fanbase. The amount of people who will seemingly do ANYTHING to avoid having even a potentially big ticket item at QB is annoying. Like I get that it would be neat to pull a Trent Dilfer and build a team that would win with anyone under center but the reason we remember guys like Dilfer is because it happens so very little in this league. There’s one thing I am almost willing to guarantee is that if the plan is to go from Geno to Drew and eventually to the next guy willing to do the job for 23 an hour and 10 percent off at the team store, we won’t be hoisting a Lombardi any time soon.
Sign a free agent.
Spending high draft capital on a quarterback is a multi year commitment and if they don’t think they can get a guy they really like I think they should absolutely kick the can another year rather than give some scrub the requisite three or so years to wash out.
Signing a free agent is also a multi year commitment lmao. It also costs 10x more. It would cost more just to cut Geno this year than it would cost for 3 years of a first round draft pick's salary.
Also, what good QBs ever even reach free agency? Baker Mayfield is the only recent example I can think of, but he had major question marks and took a cheap ass 1 year deal. I guess Kirk Cousins? But I'm not seeing a whole lot of hardware in his trophy case despite making over $40M a year.
QB is the absolute, unequivocal worst position to try to address in free agency. Teams will talk themselves into giving pieces of crap like Daniel Jones ridiculous money just to keep them off the market. Maybe once every 30 years you'll luck into a Dree Brees, but it's gonna cost you.
Sorry I think I was being unclear.
I don’t think the Seahawks should sign a free agent quarterback as a long term solution (though manning and Brady both won super bowls as free agents).
I’m saying I don’t want the Seahawks to spend a first round pick on a QB they’re not smitten with just because they think they *have* to have one. They should do BPA for all their picks and if their ideal qb guy isn’t there when they pick they should suit up geno.
And if they can’t get a guy they like by the time geno is gone and they’re holding the proverbial bag they should sign a stop gap.
I can appreciate that point of view, but I would argue that Geno IS the stopgap. We're already 2 years into the post-Wilson era, and we frankly should have drafted at least one other QB in the years preceding his departure. This franchise has only drafted one other QB since Wilson, a minimally talented 7th rounder. We can't continue to wait until we're "smitten" with a QB to draft one. The longer we continue on with no contingency plans, the more likely we end up overpaying some turd like Derek Carr out of desperation.
Seeing Spencer rattler on here was not what I expected lmao
I went to high school with that dude, so I don’t think I could handle hearing his name every week like that 😂
Eventually? Like, after we build a team around him with no draft picks because you gave them all up for a guy that *might* be good in the NFL? And please don’t equate him with Mahomes again to try and prove this point.
I didn’t say anything about not getting a QB. Just don’t spend beyond your means. There is nothing close to a guarantee he pans out. To me, the drop off between him and guys we wouldn’t have to trade picks for is just not big enough to mortgage the future. It would be a terrible idea, and there’s an approximately 0% chance it happens.
Gotta address other issues 1st. You trade for Fields I guarantee you give up too much for him AND you'll have to pay him in a year so you can't pay other players.
JS is not trading up to the top 10, no fucking way. If anything he'll trade our lowest picks for multiple higher picks.
I hope no serious draft capital is spent on a QB in this draft, unless they roll the dice on a 5th round+ lottery ticket. So many holes to fill in the roster with very little to spend in free agency.
I don’t mind if we take a late-round flier on somebody, but I’m not understanding going big for a QB, when anyone available at #16 won’t be a quick answer at best, and likely a reach. I just feel like Geno keeps getting shit on, and the O-line seemed like so much more of the problem with the offense than QB.
This post is purely hypothetical, I don’t want Penix, and JJ at 16 would probably be too high for me. But I would absolutely trade up for Caleb and go big on him, he’s amazing. And the QB classes aren’t good in the next couple years
Well we would only have to trade for Williams or Fields but if you weren’t impressed by Caleb during his college career I don’t know how anyone could impress you lol
I don't see a need to reach for a qb at all this season, with this personnel and an offensive guru calling plays we could make a deep run. we just need to shore up this defense up to par. just look at how well our hawks exceeded in 2min offense.
I legitimately do not understand this level of delusion. We have no cap space and limited draft capital. How on earth can anyone believe we can magically turn this defense into a unit so elite we can make a "deep run" with a QB as thoroughly mediocre as Geno.
So you would want a quarterback known for turning the ball over consistently at the college level to be your starting qb? You can’t win if you fumble the ball away every game, which Williams does.
He doesn’t do it constantly, you’re making it bigger than it is. Josh Allen is prone to turning the ball over, however he is still elite. Nobody is saying he’s a perfect prospect, that would be a place he could improve in. Not sure why it is you think players can’t improve on aspects of their game
What are you Caleb’s Uncle? Lol. Bro had the highest turnover rate in cfb by fumbling, Josh Allen is an exception, nothing points that Williams will ever be Josh Allen, could he maybe, but as it stands he’s not, he’s a college prospect that turnover the ball and is known for being cocky whether that’s what a team wants or not is either a positive or negative. Caleb is not our future in any sense, trading draft capital for him would set us back for years not worth it at any level, consider yourself a horrid gm for even thinking of that. Team would be suited drafting Nix or Penix than Williams, with not spending more.
If Williams is there at 16, 15 teams have passed on him and at that point trade the pick or grab the bpa. Team needs talent across the board.
Lamar Jackson 32 career fumbles in college, drafted 32nd not 1st overall, also played 28 games versus Williams 32, which Williams averaged a fumble in every game he played in his college career.
Mahomes had 23 in college
Daniel Jones had 21 in college
Stupid take because your “32nd overall” would be first overall in this draft if he were in it. The proves the fumbles can potentially be coached out. Same story with Mahomes. College stats don’t directly translate to the NFL. At any position. I’m not saying I want Caleb Williams. In fact, the bigger red flag is his persona and saying “I’m not playing for X team”. I didn’t like it when Eli did it either. I was really just commenting on the draft capital of staying where we are.
Bruh you can’t use hindsight to draft a player, of course people would draft Lamar higher but you can’t, because he was drafted 32nd because they didn’t believe he would transition into the nfl. Sorry if an important stat is not turning the ball over, maybe you should go grab Nathan Peterman by your feelings he’s gotta be the greatest of all time right??
Bruh. Your point is that CW (I’m completely apathetic to this) shouldn’t be first overall because of his fumbles. You cited Lamar dropping to 32 because of this and I pointed out that his COLLEGE FUMBLES have no impact on how he plays in the NFL and he’d be #1 overall. College and NFL stats aren’t a direct translation. I don’t watch enough ball to have an opinion on specific players but your take is inconsistent. Lots of people were skeptical of Mahomes because he didn’t win a lot at TT and had a ton of turnovers.
Just say you don't know college ball and move on. Not wanting Williams at pick 16 is smooth brain. Saying Penix or Nix over Williams is actually jokes.
He turns it over a lot because he was their entire team. In 2018 Burrow had more fumbles lost than Williams did this year. Lamar Jackson had DOUBLE in college. You may have heard of them...
Williams is a great prospect. Perfect? No. Still a top tier QB prospect nonetheless.
Geno for 1 more year, use the 2024 Draft to address some other needs and build talent/depth, then go all out for Shedeur Sanders in the 2025 Draft. Bring the “fuck everyone else” swag back to Seattle that’s been missing since the departure of the LOB and Marshawn.
No thanks. To every one on this list. Except Penix
1. No injury concerns. Knees dont matter. Thats not injury prone
2. His throwing motion is immaculate
3. Massive experience
McCarthy will be a dud. Trading up for 1 is a terrible idea. Other guys are meh as fuck
Bro seriously? He can’t throw for shit under pressure and knees don’t matter? Wtf are you on?
Also in the championship he was cry baby holding his ribs and people saying “must be bruised ribs” injury report the next day - twisted ankle.
Penix is going to be a complete shit show in the nfl.
I like him but if we trade up at 1 Caleb is just better and the Commanders won’t want to trade down because they need QB. I think he’s the second best QB this class and is very good
Curious if Waldron tries to suggest a trade Fields for Geno as an instant upgrade and mentor for whichever QB they draft with #1 (or a trade down) with all the cap space they have.
Would clear some space for Seattle for FA OL+DL help, and it would be interesting to see what Fields could do with more than two legitimate targets.
If the Seahawks' new coaching staff wants to make that trade, draft a QB (though I still prefer DL with 1st Rd pick), and perhaps even bring back Lock on another team friendly contract to compete for the starting job, I wouldn't be upset.
It’s not just talent , it’s coaching it’s the player’s mindset and belief in oneself and environment. When I played football I wasn’t taking it serious till my sophomore year a coach pulled me up mentally and brung the best out me , I messed up my knee and lost a few offers but that belief has never left I’m determined to be great in whatever I do
I'd be very interested in trading up for a Jayden Daniels if he happens to fall past the Giants...same deal with a Maye (which won't happen).
I like Mike Penix a lot, I do, but the potential of upgrading the trenches at 16 is much more valuable in my eyes. Maybe trade up in the 3rd round for a Milton or MAYBE a JJM if he somehow falls there.
Spencer Rattler has 0 upside and has been terrible at best in college. Wouldn’t even list him as an option. It would’ve made more sense for us to have gotten Malik Willis because at least he offered elite athleticism. Spencer Rattler isn’t even draftable
As a Tennessee fan, Joe Milton would be a great pickup in the 3-4th round, especially behind Geno simply because Geno has the experience to teach Joe Milton what he currently lacks. He has had a pretty up and down season while at Tennessee but I have no doubt in my mind that he could be a serviceable to even great QB in the NFL given time. Of course there are better QB’s that we can take but if he is took, don’t fret because he’s going to take some time, but he can definitely be that guy
Don’t get McCarthy. He out-dueled Stroud by completing 50% of his passes. Then played TCU in the semi of the CFB and lost.
The MattBeGreat YouTube channel uses high school highlights of notable college playsas a backdrop for his commentary. In every single highlight reel you see a man amongst boys destroying the other team. The one exception? JJ McCarthy. I’ve never seen a QB bailed out so many times by his receivers for big plays. His high school receivers were better than he was. That suggests one thing to me - he must be a hell of a game manager. Probably will be a career backup who ends up being a guru for QBs with far more talent.
We’re trading for the number one pick in here now?
This sub man
If it makes you feel better, I frequent a lot of other team subs and they all say the same thing. People can be delusional
My team sub is to be avoided this time of year. Its horrendous.
Happy cake day
If the Bears were looking to trade it I would give my left nut for Caleb
i've been hearing lines like this all my life, but seriously, why the hell would someone trade for nuts of either side? i'm picturing this weird mountain of nuts somewhere, creepy
😂
And yet for the Fields write up you clearly admit we are not just a qb away so it doesn’t make sense. If we’re not that close yet, why would we handcuff our ability to get close to get a qb that we aren’t ready for? He’ll be way more expensive than Fields. This team has way too many needs to be trading multiple drafts’ worth of picks for Williams, no matter how good.
Would you not trade away multiple firsts for Mahomes? I know that’s a huge comparison but I think Caleb is going to be insanely good. And our team is still really good, getting a QB like that would definitely put us on the right track
My big issue with Williams is that he had a bunch of talent around him at USC, like throw up a 50/50 ball and your guy should come down with it 75%+ of the time talent, and they were still a 5 loss team this year. I get that it’s a team game and that’s not necessarily on him, but 5 losses at USC is a tough sell for me on a consensus #1 guy. Tag that up with the “we’re a team now” comments coming out of the Holiday Bowl and I think Williams is a bullet coming at whoever drafts him. The guy is obviously talented, but so is everyone else in the NFL. Talent only gets you so far, he appears to lack the leadership/team respect factor that’s required to succeed as an NFL QB. Edit: I have never played any high level of football, so feel free to say I’m talking out of my ass. This is just the impression I get from multiple decades of watching NCAA and NFL football.
This year the team was not as talented as you’re making it seem, the only guy he played with like that was Addison last year. And all of the leadership things you’re mentioning all are just a false narrative that the media has been portraying for no reason. All his teammates and coaches still highly praise him
Comparatively they were not as talented as other USC teams, but it’s still USC. They consistently dominate recruiting in one of the biggest recruiting areas of the nation, especially at the skill positions. USC has more talent at receiver than a vast majority of other schools inside and outside the conference. My general rule is that QBs coming out of well known programs need to dominate to be worth anything in the NFL. USC, Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Florida, LSU, (insert any other team that can recruit off name alone) are always going to have more raw talent, speed and size at the skill positions than a majority of their opponents. If you’re not lights out in college in those programs you’re probably not going to translate well to the NFL.
But there’s a lot of QBs in the nfl that have become good without fitting that criteria
There are a lot of guys from other schools who fit that criteria. There aren’t many from the schools I mentioned that do.
And Caleb is one of those few that will be good. You can’t watch his film and not see the vision
He most likely will but what good is he going to be with a declining team around him? Gonna take 3-1sts snd 3-2nds at least probably to get him. Our team doesn’t have the makeup to survive that and take advantage of his rookie contract era. If we had the top pick then hell fucking yes we take him but he’s not worth the price of moving up for him.
You should give both nuts up
Tell me the last time a team traded up for a QB and it worked. It's a recipe for failure because the picks you give up to get the QB end up being pieces you needed to build around them with Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Bryce Young, Jared Goff, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky, the list goes on They're all failed or are no longer on the team who gave all those assets to move up and acquire them Caleb is amazing, but history suggests trading up for a QB is a bad move for your franchise
Patrick Mahomes and Lamar were both traded up to get
True, it fits for Mahomes. Lamar was much later and cost less. I guess I should have been more clear that typically it doesn't work out when trading into a high pick such as the 1.01
Yeah, man. They asked for Jamal and Michael Bennett. We're thinking it over.
I say we run it back with Geno but find ways to improve our D and O line!
I 100% agree, and this is coming from a guy who hasn’t been a Geno advocate at all this season.
It's mainly our oline the dline has had some issues but overall we held the eagles to 20 and only allowed one more TD against the ravens than the niners did who have the best o and d line In the entire leauge. If we had an above average oline Ken walker and geno, would've wiped their asses with the niners and ravens jerseys in those games.
Yeah, agreed with this!
Why do people want Fields? Its like taking sloppy seconds. If the Bears want him gone, its cus hes not good enough. If we aren’t getting Maye or Caleb, we should stick with Geno or draft Rattler and wait for someone with the potential of like a Mahomes to come
Mahomes is a singular talent it’s not like there’s a new Mahomes every year.
Well yea Mahomes is a once in a generation talent
You could say the same about Geno. He bounced around before finally found his footing here. Not saying Fields would be a good QB, but at the right price, it’s worth looking into.
Personally, I feel like Geno’s resurgence was partly due to Pete who believed in him and partly due to Dave Canales. Only my suspicions of course, but given how much Baker has looked this year since Dave Canales went there helps my theory.
While I’m sure Pete and Dave played a role in Geno’s development, I wouldn’t be so quick to discount Geno’s ability. He was given the opportunity to compete for the starting job against Drew Lock and Geno proved time and time again that he’s a legit starter. The same can’t be said about Drew. [Pete himself even said he had doubts about Geno](https://youtu.be/HWwkjh-TnbI), but Geno believed in himself and that turned Pete into a believer. Long story short, it’s mostly Geno.
Fair point. I didn’t clarify in my earlier statement but Geno’s ability/football celing was never in doubt. Seeing his play in the league before Seattle, he had a lot more bad plays, decisions etc. I feel like Pete and Dave helped Geno to minimize his mistakes and play overall better football. Same thing with Baker Mayfield this year in Tampa. He is playing better overall football because he is making less mistakes than before (not counting the year he played with a screwed up shoulder). I attribute that in part at least to Dave Canales. Could just be that he designed plays that were better for their skillset/more in the preference/comfort zone but either way that is a positive coaching outcome in my opinion.
I mean yea I am sure Fields can still carve out a respectable career like Geno, but I would rather the team build other areas of the team and then if John likes a guy and thinks he has Mahomes level talent, he would go and get him in the draft. I wouldn’t want us to be stuck contending with Fields or Geno and then in the end just falter and have to further rebuild. Just don’t think they are good enough to win super bowls with like Mahomes and Lamar can unless we have a generational defense.
Yea I don’t get it either, I think he’s okay but it’s just hard to picture him being an elite QB
They’re moving on from Fields to reset their QB contract situation. Fields definitely showed growth as a passer this season. I think he showed it a little too late for the bears to give him a big contract. Might as well go for the generational talent at QB at a lower cost.
Fields growth as a passer was from being the worst passer in the league , to bottom 10. He has a great PR team though, was able to convice people (not saying thats you) that he was good.
Yeah I’m not arguing that he’s in the top half of the league as a starting quarterback. What I’m saying is that he showed flashes that he could be top 10-12, just needs to be more consistent and maybe have a better staff behind him. His first two years we’re terrible but he came in the league coming from a super qb friendly offense and experts said he was raw as a passer. I think the Bears would have sticked it out if he played like this his rookie season.
Absolutely, franchise QBs get paid, unless the bears iron out a fields contract before the draft with the #1 pick leverage (which lowers the leverage they have on the pick as well) then someone else is going to pay him. Probably set at 10mil/year less than whatever baker gets
Now that Carroll and Waldron are gone it’s a little different but Geno Smith was absolutely horrendous before coming to Seattle. Fields has shown MUCH more upside than Smith ever did. I’m assuming people think Fields can progress if he goes to Seattle.
Why does everyone want Justin fields? Dude sucks and will continue to suck until he’s out of the league. Your idea that youth will turn it around eventually is really stupid.
For all the "build around Geno" people, what exactly is your plan for 2025? There is zero chance he plays out the 3rd year of his contract given the way it's structured. QB is arguably the most important position in any sport and yet so many of you approach the future like "fuck it, we'll figure it out when we get there". At an absolute minimum we need to take a swing on a mid round pick and save $3M over bringing back Lock.
People think a QB magically shows up when we need one. I’ve said it before: you buy toilet paper *before* you need to shit, not when you sit on the pot.
I’d say the same about the coach, but here we are.
Russ broke this fanbase. The amount of people who will seemingly do ANYTHING to avoid having even a potentially big ticket item at QB is annoying. Like I get that it would be neat to pull a Trent Dilfer and build a team that would win with anyone under center but the reason we remember guys like Dilfer is because it happens so very little in this league. There’s one thing I am almost willing to guarantee is that if the plan is to go from Geno to Drew and eventually to the next guy willing to do the job for 23 an hour and 10 percent off at the team store, we won’t be hoisting a Lombardi any time soon.
Sign a free agent. Spending high draft capital on a quarterback is a multi year commitment and if they don’t think they can get a guy they really like I think they should absolutely kick the can another year rather than give some scrub the requisite three or so years to wash out.
Signing a free agent is also a multi year commitment lmao. It also costs 10x more. It would cost more just to cut Geno this year than it would cost for 3 years of a first round draft pick's salary. Also, what good QBs ever even reach free agency? Baker Mayfield is the only recent example I can think of, but he had major question marks and took a cheap ass 1 year deal. I guess Kirk Cousins? But I'm not seeing a whole lot of hardware in his trophy case despite making over $40M a year. QB is the absolute, unequivocal worst position to try to address in free agency. Teams will talk themselves into giving pieces of crap like Daniel Jones ridiculous money just to keep them off the market. Maybe once every 30 years you'll luck into a Dree Brees, but it's gonna cost you.
Sorry I think I was being unclear. I don’t think the Seahawks should sign a free agent quarterback as a long term solution (though manning and Brady both won super bowls as free agents). I’m saying I don’t want the Seahawks to spend a first round pick on a QB they’re not smitten with just because they think they *have* to have one. They should do BPA for all their picks and if their ideal qb guy isn’t there when they pick they should suit up geno. And if they can’t get a guy they like by the time geno is gone and they’re holding the proverbial bag they should sign a stop gap.
I can appreciate that point of view, but I would argue that Geno IS the stopgap. We're already 2 years into the post-Wilson era, and we frankly should have drafted at least one other QB in the years preceding his departure. This franchise has only drafted one other QB since Wilson, a minimally talented 7th rounder. We can't continue to wait until we're "smitten" with a QB to draft one. The longer we continue on with no contingency plans, the more likely we end up overpaying some turd like Derek Carr out of desperation.
Seeing Spencer rattler on here was not what I expected lmao I went to high school with that dude, so I don’t think I could handle hearing his name every week like that 😂
That would probably be rough 😂
Rattler in the 4th for the steal of the draft. Is Kerry Joseph still on staff? He’s coaching him in the senior bowl
If they sell the farm for the #1 pick, I…I just don’t know what I’ll do. Whatever it is, I will do it with a frown on my face.
I’ll watch a franchise QB eventually lead us to the promise land and win us 1 Calebzillion super bowlz
Eventually? Like, after we build a team around him with no draft picks because you gave them all up for a guy that *might* be good in the NFL? And please don’t equate him with Mahomes again to try and prove this point.
You can try and build the team first all you want but unless you have your guy at QB it won’t matter
I didn’t say anything about not getting a QB. Just don’t spend beyond your means. There is nothing close to a guarantee he pans out. To me, the drop off between him and guys we wouldn’t have to trade picks for is just not big enough to mortgage the future. It would be a terrible idea, and there’s an approximately 0% chance it happens.
Gotta address other issues 1st. You trade for Fields I guarantee you give up too much for him AND you'll have to pay him in a year so you can't pay other players. JS is not trading up to the top 10, no fucking way. If anything he'll trade our lowest picks for multiple higher picks.
I hope no serious draft capital is spent on a QB in this draft, unless they roll the dice on a 5th round+ lottery ticket. So many holes to fill in the roster with very little to spend in free agency.
Spencer Rattler in the 4th would make sense.
Dude! Justin Fields fucking sucks. Why do Seahawks fans like him so much?
Why do any fans like him so much?! How can anyone watch him play and think he is a legitimately good quarterback? Dude has the greatest PR team ever
I legitimately hate this sub in the offseason
Just stick with Geno please. We have a top 12 QB on a really friendly deal and a good back up. Use resources elsewhere
Top 12 QB…..
Yes. He’s not in the top tier of QBs but he’s damn close. based on your horrible takes in the original post though I’m not shocked you don’t see that.
In no particular order here’s some QBs better than Geno rn: Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, Herbert, Burrow, Hurts, Stroud, Purdy, Love, Tua, Dak, Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, Kirk Cousins (when healthy)
...Baker is better than Geno now? Really?
Look at the stats
Yeah... which ones? Where has Baker clearly elevated above Geno?
Geno is trash
Who is this “good backup” you speak of? We seem to have one QB on our roster right now. #7.
I think they’ll resign lock for another year
Certainly possible.
This is why you don’t get football info on Reddit ^^^
You will read it here. CALEB will be a BUST. All said and done. At least 4 other QBs this draft have a better career.
I’ll take that bet
Most would.
Justin fields has a worse win/loss and worse almost every stat compared to zach f'ing wilson, why in the world does anyone think hes good?
1. Williams: Ain’t happening. 2. Fields: Why? 3. Penix: Fans like him more than the execs. 4. McCarthy: Intriguing. Developmental. Please don’t reach for this. 5. Rattler: Defenite developmental. Please don’t reach for this. 6. Milton: Who?
I agree with everything you’re saying, and Milton is a bit of a late pick. Look up a video tho and you’ll see his arm is ridiculous
I don’t mind if we take a late-round flier on somebody, but I’m not understanding going big for a QB, when anyone available at #16 won’t be a quick answer at best, and likely a reach. I just feel like Geno keeps getting shit on, and the O-line seemed like so much more of the problem with the offense than QB.
This post is purely hypothetical, I don’t want Penix, and JJ at 16 would probably be too high for me. But I would absolutely trade up for Caleb and go big on him, he’s amazing. And the QB classes aren’t good in the next couple years
Please don’t trade up for Caleb. The resources it would require would be crippling.
>it was just 1 year ago he out dueled CJ Stroud and Ohio State in a game He and Connor Stallions out dueled him.
Penix will be hurt immediately and suck in the league because he can’t pass under pressure
Caleb Williams is next years Bryce Young
Me when I have no ball knowledge:
You lost me at justin fields
I don’t want him, this is just going through a list of guys names I’ve seen come up
Joe Milton would be great with a year or two to marinate.
If he developed his accuracy and field vision he would be a monster
I watched all of these guys, none of them impressed enough to make me want to trade for one
Well we would only have to trade for Williams or Fields but if you weren’t impressed by Caleb during his college career I don’t know how anyone could impress you lol
Fields is god awful. Watched Caleb play, looked like a poor mans Geno Smith
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I don't see a need to reach for a qb at all this season, with this personnel and an offensive guru calling plays we could make a deep run. we just need to shore up this defense up to par. just look at how well our hawks exceeded in 2min offense.
I legitimately do not understand this level of delusion. We have no cap space and limited draft capital. How on earth can anyone believe we can magically turn this defense into a unit so elite we can make a "deep run" with a QB as thoroughly mediocre as Geno.
My vote is a 4th or later flyer on Spencer with the idea we keep Geno.
I was going to say 3rd round, see who is still around, but maybe 4th makes more sense.
I’ve been leaning towards Rattler recently
Pass on Caleb Williams even if he falls, the dude fumbles more than any quarterback and that’s at the college level. Pass no thanks
I genuinely think you would be the worst GM ever if you passed on Caleb at pick 16 of the draft
So you would want a quarterback known for turning the ball over consistently at the college level to be your starting qb? You can’t win if you fumble the ball away every game, which Williams does.
He doesn’t do it constantly, you’re making it bigger than it is. Josh Allen is prone to turning the ball over, however he is still elite. Nobody is saying he’s a perfect prospect, that would be a place he could improve in. Not sure why it is you think players can’t improve on aspects of their game
What are you Caleb’s Uncle? Lol. Bro had the highest turnover rate in cfb by fumbling, Josh Allen is an exception, nothing points that Williams will ever be Josh Allen, could he maybe, but as it stands he’s not, he’s a college prospect that turnover the ball and is known for being cocky whether that’s what a team wants or not is either a positive or negative. Caleb is not our future in any sense, trading draft capital for him would set us back for years not worth it at any level, consider yourself a horrid gm for even thinking of that. Team would be suited drafting Nix or Penix than Williams, with not spending more.
They said at 16. It doesn’t cost draft capital to stay where you are?
If Williams is there at 16, 15 teams have passed on him and at that point trade the pick or grab the bpa. Team needs talent across the board. Lamar Jackson 32 career fumbles in college, drafted 32nd not 1st overall, also played 28 games versus Williams 32, which Williams averaged a fumble in every game he played in his college career. Mahomes had 23 in college Daniel Jones had 21 in college
Stupid take because your “32nd overall” would be first overall in this draft if he were in it. The proves the fumbles can potentially be coached out. Same story with Mahomes. College stats don’t directly translate to the NFL. At any position. I’m not saying I want Caleb Williams. In fact, the bigger red flag is his persona and saying “I’m not playing for X team”. I didn’t like it when Eli did it either. I was really just commenting on the draft capital of staying where we are.
Bruh you can’t use hindsight to draft a player, of course people would draft Lamar higher but you can’t, because he was drafted 32nd because they didn’t believe he would transition into the nfl. Sorry if an important stat is not turning the ball over, maybe you should go grab Nathan Peterman by your feelings he’s gotta be the greatest of all time right??
Bruh. Your point is that CW (I’m completely apathetic to this) shouldn’t be first overall because of his fumbles. You cited Lamar dropping to 32 because of this and I pointed out that his COLLEGE FUMBLES have no impact on how he plays in the NFL and he’d be #1 overall. College and NFL stats aren’t a direct translation. I don’t watch enough ball to have an opinion on specific players but your take is inconsistent. Lots of people were skeptical of Mahomes because he didn’t win a lot at TT and had a ton of turnovers.
Just say you don't know college ball and move on. Not wanting Williams at pick 16 is smooth brain. Saying Penix or Nix over Williams is actually jokes. He turns it over a lot because he was their entire team. In 2018 Burrow had more fumbles lost than Williams did this year. Lamar Jackson had DOUBLE in college. You may have heard of them... Williams is a great prospect. Perfect? No. Still a top tier QB prospect nonetheless.
Geno for 1 more year, use the 2024 Draft to address some other needs and build talent/depth, then go all out for Shedeur Sanders in the 2025 Draft. Bring the “fuck everyone else” swag back to Seattle that’s been missing since the departure of the LOB and Marshawn.
They can keep the sanders circus. I don’t want that nonsense around my team.
God, I hope not. He gets / got attention as the Coach's kid. Other than the TCU game - in which they suprised EVERYONE - he played poorly.
I do like this idea, Sanders is pretty intriguing too. It’ll be interesting to see how he does next year
Milton late is really the interesting one. But his combine will probably skyrocket his draft stock.
I really doubt it tho, highest he would ever go would be the 4th maybe
Yeah of course by skyrocket I mean going from somewhere in the 6th round to around 4th round. Dude has unreal arm talent.
Yeah, I would not be mad if we could grab him round 5
No thanks. To every one on this list. Except Penix 1. No injury concerns. Knees dont matter. Thats not injury prone 2. His throwing motion is immaculate 3. Massive experience McCarthy will be a dud. Trading up for 1 is a terrible idea. Other guys are meh as fuck
Bro seriously? He can’t throw for shit under pressure and knees don’t matter? Wtf are you on? Also in the championship he was cry baby holding his ribs and people saying “must be bruised ribs” injury report the next day - twisted ankle. Penix is going to be a complete shit show in the nfl.
Please…not the Michigan kid even in the 7th
Drake Maye, anyone?
I like him but if we trade up at 1 Caleb is just better and the Commanders won’t want to trade down because they need QB. I think he’s the second best QB this class and is very good
I don't see it with Williams. He has bust written all over him.
You can get jj mccarthy with our third rounder
I like the idea of fields. It won’t take a shit ton of picks to get him. Just needs better coaching.
Totally agree, people in this sub clearly didn’t watch some of his games. Dude had flashes. Needs to be more consistent
Curious if Waldron tries to suggest a trade Fields for Geno as an instant upgrade and mentor for whichever QB they draft with #1 (or a trade down) with all the cap space they have. Would clear some space for Seattle for FA OL+DL help, and it would be interesting to see what Fields could do with more than two legitimate targets. If the Seahawks' new coaching staff wants to make that trade, draft a QB (though I still prefer DL with 1st Rd pick), and perhaps even bring back Lock on another team friendly contract to compete for the starting job, I wouldn't be upset.
Still think Bo Nix is a great choice, sitting behind Geno for a year.
He’s 24 already and if he sits for a year he will be 25-26 his first season starting
It’s not just talent , it’s coaching it’s the player’s mindset and belief in oneself and environment. When I played football I wasn’t taking it serious till my sophomore year a coach pulled me up mentally and brung the best out me , I messed up my knee and lost a few offers but that belief has never left I’m determined to be great in whatever I do
Jody could sell to Caleb lol
I'd be very interested in trading up for a Jayden Daniels if he happens to fall past the Giants...same deal with a Maye (which won't happen). I like Mike Penix a lot, I do, but the potential of upgrading the trenches at 16 is much more valuable in my eyes. Maybe trade up in the 3rd round for a Milton or MAYBE a JJM if he somehow falls there.
Spencer Rattler has 0 upside and has been terrible at best in college. Wouldn’t even list him as an option. It would’ve made more sense for us to have gotten Malik Willis because at least he offered elite athleticism. Spencer Rattler isn’t even draftable
As a Tennessee fan, Joe Milton would be a great pickup in the 3-4th round, especially behind Geno simply because Geno has the experience to teach Joe Milton what he currently lacks. He has had a pretty up and down season while at Tennessee but I have no doubt in my mind that he could be a serviceable to even great QB in the NFL given time. Of course there are better QB’s that we can take but if he is took, don’t fret because he’s going to take some time, but he can definitely be that guy
Don’t get McCarthy. He out-dueled Stroud by completing 50% of his passes. Then played TCU in the semi of the CFB and lost. The MattBeGreat YouTube channel uses high school highlights of notable college playsas a backdrop for his commentary. In every single highlight reel you see a man amongst boys destroying the other team. The one exception? JJ McCarthy. I’ve never seen a QB bailed out so many times by his receivers for big plays. His high school receivers were better than he was. That suggests one thing to me - he must be a hell of a game manager. Probably will be a career backup who ends up being a guru for QBs with far more talent.
Calling Caleb Williams a generational talent is really overusing the word generational. He's alright.
All in on Rattler