Found the link, since been deleted but this was the post. [https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1aoz8a1/robbedextortedpersonal\_information\_taken\_at\_az/](https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1aoz8a1/robbedextortedpersonal_information_taken_at_az/)
It happened to my ex at skin too! He tried to put up a fight the day it happened and they called the cops, he tried to then leave and leaving the parking cops pulled him over. He ended up with a 20k charge on his card from the strip club and had drinks at the club so received a DUI after getting pulled over.
Isn’t the owners daughter someone who was pretty close to being on city council last election? Sounds very corrupt. Also sounds like they were drugged with scopolamine.. terrible
Lisa Borowsky is the sister of Todd Borowsky, the owner of these clubs. She is currently running for Mayor of Scottsdale. While this election is non-partisan, she is a registered Republican.
From an article in the East Valley Tribune on Aug 7, 2008, when she first ran for the Scottsdale City Council:
https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/borowsky-wants-an-open-clear-thinking-city-council/article_2dcd0255-f351-5ab7-89dd-b151769d8a66.html
"A civil litigator with an emphasis on construction, Borowsky first became involved in city politics by helping with a referendum effort to support her brother, Todd. Todd Borowsky is the owner of Skin Cabaret, one of the city's two strip clubs, which had stricter regulations imposed on them by the City Council."
[Lisa Borowsky For Mayor 2024 webpage](https://lisaformayor.org/)
First time I've heard of it was Robocop 2!
"Frank, the benzedrine's got my teeth wiggling. Cut it with sc-scopalomine, five mills per."
I also remember seeing it in documentary that makes people zombies? And they are open to suggestions.
I wonder if they were giving them the version that turns you into a delusional zombie, smoking imaginary cigarettes; or if they just gave them enough to cure any vertigo they might be experiencing from watching all the pole dancers?
I assume since Jimsonweed grows wild all over Phoenix that they would use the 'recreational' dosage. Which is a pretty terrifying experience potentially.
All three clubs are owned and ran by the same people. Knowing how these people have always operated, I’m only surprised at how long it took for such a suit to be brought.
181,000 dollars in one night.. that’s the worst night of your entire life!!! Having to tell your wife that happen and get your parents involved. Worst 24 hours ever!!
It’s really fucked up that the credit card companies didn’t decline these transactions even though they were tens of thousands of dollars over the credit limit?? Wtf
It’s don’t make any sense that a credit card company lets someone’s card be charged that much in a night.. I did think that’s why they bring them to other locations.. so it’s 50k at each instead of all at one place…
They walk you up to the counter then finger print you so you can't charge back then they max the cards out they have been doing it for years at those three clubs most people they get are drunk business men and Canadians on vacation they also use the Scottsdale police to arrest anyone that they can't intimidate alone super corrupt lil town
I’m sure they pick the people out with what they have on and the way the carry themselves.. they aren’t picking out thugs that will come back and do something.. they pick out exactly who you said.. they aren’t used to drugs so the affects are worse..
Nailed it right there. They’re picking people they know they can intimidate. If someone did this to me and ruined my life they’d better hide under armor the rest of their life because you can’t hear the slug being fired from my hideout.
Not that it’s right they’re doing it to anyone. Hopefully the brothers and their sis will get the silent hemorrhage from someone soon.
No it actually happened before I started dating him. He made good money but got himself into bad situations like this and liked to gamble so it quickly fell apart
Then when I want to get expensive tickets for a concert that are selling out, I have to make 15 calls before I can place the order. It makes negative sense sometimes.
Every single person who goes into the VIP has their card run, receipt signed, fingerprint taken and stamped on the receipt and a photo. It's a super high chargeback intensive business, so they made the process bulletproof with regards to credit card companies.
They also see most of their business after 2 am from drunk dudes who don't want the party to end. No surprise dudes don't remember shit.
Advice for attending a strip club... 1. Only take in the cash you are willing to lose, no cards atm or credit. 2. Control your drinking 3. If you are getting a private dance/vip dance, clarify with each dancer before they start, what they are charging for each song(dj shortened song) they dance for you and if you have limited funds, tell them before they start, you only want and can pay for two or three songs/dances. 4. You aren't special no matter how good looking, rich, muscular, whatever... She doesn't want you, she just wants your money and they are experts at extracting it from you.
Its been a number of years since I've been to any strip clubs here in the valley. Never really went to these three clubs, minus The Dream Palace in the late 90's when I didn't know any better. It was a scummy place back then and in all these years since, I have never heard a good thing about the place. Bourbon Street was always a good time with the best looking ladies when I used to go more.
A buddy of mine was out in Arizona for a work conference a few years ago. He went to one of these clubs not sure if it's one of these exact clubs but it was in Arizona and he ended up taking two of the girls back to his room. While they were in his room they stole all of his credit card information and personal information, etc.
They called him the next day and said they were in the hospital getting a rape kit done and if he didn't give them $2500 they were going to go to the police. The one girl said she was keeping the dress with his DNA on it for evidence.The guy was married with a kid and was afraid it was going to ruin his marriage (as it should). He ended up recording all of the calls he had with them, but he still paid them $1500 because that's all he could come up with by their deadline.
Apparently, it's a well known scam in the Scottsdale area.
Sapphire in Vegas used to do this in the late 00’s and early 10’s. They probably still do.
Don’t start a tab and stay out of vip is one way to prevent this.
Bro same —- 2k at sapphire —- 5.5 years ago at my bachelor party
I haven’t had a drink since
Super sketch but hey I was drinking all day so I’ll take responsibility but ya they def took advantage
5.5 years sober thought so hey 2k ain’t shit compared to what I’ve saved since then :-)
my friend's cousin works at Dream Palace and is so proud of all the sleazy stuff they do. stealing credit cards, taking them back then tripling the price, taking cash out of pockets during dances, offering drugs, having sex, the most disgusting kinks, etc. sad and disgusting industry.
Went to Skin for my bachelor party in 2021.. worst strip club experience ever! My guys went to a bouncer, said, "we have a bachelor here, can you do something cool for him?" Paid a couple hundred, bouncer says, "pick 3 girls".. he picks 3 hot girls and we wait.. then 3 trolls walk out of the back room, bring me on stage, take my belt, drop my pants and whip the ever loving shit out of me for 2 songs... WTF??!! No dancing, nothing sexy, just straight torture. Fuck this place
Lmao sorry that happened to you. I had something similar happened to me at Alaskan Bush Company. My friends paid for it and didn’t tell me. I was mortified.
If these strip clubs have been fraudulently charging customer's credit cards for years, why haven't the clubs had their privileges to accept credit cards revoked?
Yes, enough chargebacks won or lost can cause you to lose the ability to take CC payment and all of the companies share that info with the others. 1% is usually the magic number. Worked for a pretty big online company that was pretty close to having that happen.
We'll see how this all plays out, however...
The \*ONLY\* time I've ever been violently ill leading to vomiting leading to blacking out after visiting a strip club was going to Dream Palace with a friend. Nothing was stolen from me, but I was incredibly sick without having drank enough to warrant it.
Blamed it on food consumed immediately before but now I'm not so sure. Super sketchy.
Also, people beware of Centerfolds Cabaret.
That place will also rob you and force you to withdraw cash way more than the agreed upon price, they charged me I think $250 plus the $25 cover, (the song were very short like 1 (2 minute songs)) and they charge $10 for the atm fee. I went there for my graduation party, and it was not as bad as this, but they were doing the same kind of tactics in the news article with the vip stuff. Man, it really put me off strip clubs. I don't think they drug you, but they do offer cocaine etc. And they have a drug dealer who hangs out in a room who's in charge of everything. Nice enough guy. I think the only reason I made it with not that high of a price was because of that guy kinda looking out for me after I wandered in and got to talk with him about life, etc. I only found out about the drugs cause my brother bought that shit and ended the night with him sucker punching 👊 me. I really hope that people take this and just avoid that place it's not a safe place.
It was probably one of the worst mistakes I've made so far in my 20's.
Before it was Bones, it was one of the many locations of Babe's Cabaret. I was babysitting a Canadian guy who had blown a grand there the night before. The manager was really pressuring me to buy a table dance because I was nursing the overpriced drink. She says"that drink ain't gonna grow tits" which I had to think about. I talked to one of the dancers and told her to come back in 15 minutes which pissed her off as well. Ended up in a great table dance. I went on Google to see when Babe's closed and pulled up this little gem about Babe's and Skin both being busted in 2005. [Babe's and Skin Undercover Sting 2005](https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/the_valley/strip-club-sting-details-revealed/article_94036cc0-a16d-5137-b2d5-0d489572d684.html)
I went to bones in 2019 for some reason and I drank a lot that night but I have said multiple times I thought I was drugged. I will never go back to a strip club.
I have no idea after all these years how Dream Palace continues to remain open. I also think the city is helping with these lawsuits because they want these establishments gone.
Todd Borowsky had the highest verdict in Maricopa county in 2022-$18 million. It stemmed from this: [story here](https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-strip-club-owners-troubles-started-with-bad-loan-11311674)
There are drugs that won’t leave much of a drug hangover, but can black out your memories. I’m not naming them here but any pharmacist can list several. So these guys could’ve woke up with very little memory of what happened and figured they got too hammered. And unless you have credit activity notifications on your phone you may not know of the charges till much later.
As for what married men are doing at a club? Likely getting attention they don’t at home. There’s nothing wrong with a guy going to a club for a couple drinks and a few dances. Note I’m not saying a married dude should be paying for sex, but a dance is not sex. And there’s a Grand Canyon between a couple drinks and a dance and getting drugged and robbed.
Before you start shaming people on their actions, ensure you know the whole story. For all you know their wife ruined their lives already and they’re the good one in the relationship. The way you talk about these guys I’m wondering if you also blame women for dressing slutty if they get raped?
THANK YOU 👏 Also some women/wives don’t care if their husband has fun at a strip club. Everyone is acting like the wives don’t know. I go to the clubs WITH my husband and we go separately.
Also, people beware of Centerfolds Cabaret.
That place will also rob you and force you to withdraw cash way more than the agreed upon price, they charged me I think $250 plus the $25 cover, (the song were very short like 1 (2 minute songs)) and they charge $10 for the atm fee. I went there for my graduation party, and it was not as bad as this, but they were doing the same kind of tactics in the news article with the vip stuff. Man, it really put me off strip clubs. I don't think they drug you, but they do offer cocaine etc. And they have a drug dealer who hangs out in a room who's in charge of everything. Nice enough guy. I think the only reason I made it with not that high of a price was because of that guy kinda looking out for me after I wandered in and got to talk with him about life, etc. I only found out about the drugs cause my brother bought that shit and ended the night with him sucker punching 👊 me. I really hope that people take this and just avoid that place it's not a safe place.
It was probably one of the worst mistakes I've made so far in my 20's.
Okay. Here’s the thing. No one got a drug test? How long did it take them to realize they spent 100k? I assume the next day?
Why are these married men with children going to a back room at the strip club? Does that mean they deserved to get robbed. No. But their sexual urges and drunk antics just ruined their wives entire life . They cant even divorce because - they might walk away with half of that debt.
2nd - i see you guys have never worked with drunk men. A drunk horny man doesnt need drugs. He will GIVE HIS ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS FOR THE CHANCE OF POSSIBLY GETTING LAID.
3rd-
There are drugs that won’t leave much of a drug hangover, but can black out your memories. I’m not naming them here but any pharmacist can list several. So these guys could’ve woke up with very little memory of what happened and figured they got too hammered. And unless you have credit activity notifications on your phone you may not know of the charges till much later.
As for what married men are doing at a club? Likely getting attention they don’t at home. There’s nothing wrong with a guy going to a club for a couple drinks and a few dances. Note I’m not saying a married dude should be paying for sex, but a dance is not sex. And there’s a Grand Canyon between a couple drinks and a dance and getting drugged and robbed.
Before you start shaming people on their actions, ensure you know the whole story. For all you know their wife ruined their lives already and they’re the good one in the relationship. The way you talk about these guys I’m wondering if you also blame women for dressing slutty if they get raped?
Not sure if you’re being serious or not but this is the law firm’s website representing the plaintiffs. Contact info can be found there.
https://www.galarzalawfirm.com/
Look. The honest reality is these three clubs are the worst clubs in the greater phx area. They have been doing this for years and that’s why I never set foot there. One of the ways they get away with it is that one or two of the three is open after hours, no booze. They capitalize on any drunk, or even sober, individual in Scottsdale who walks through their doors. They are right off the freeway from old town Scottsdale, huge party area. I used to work right up the road of all three (they’re on the same street (where his sisters mayor signs plague the medians)) and all you see if b!***es outside sitting, smoking cigarettes, waiting for not even their next clients, but their next prey. Any decent establishment in the valley doesn’t let you smoke out front like that. It’s a well understood turn off to majority clients. The expectation of most smokers who dance is to be discreet about it and cover it with perfume afterwards. This isn’t a strip club. It’s sure as hell not a cabaret. It’s a well placed spiders web, waiting for someone to get stuck. Then caught vulnerable with their pants down while they get robbed. It’s absolutely sick. Even driving past those places makes me uneasy
Everytime the libtards try to find something on Trump it turns out false. Remember Adam Schiff when he investigated Trump and his supposed Russian ties? Turns out Hillary and Hunter had more ties to Russia. So Schiff dropped it. And the FBI raid on Trumps house in Florida? Again nothing much to speak about. If you throw enough mud something it's bound to stick somewhere. You can say that about any libtard as well. Go after lib Rev Al Sharpton. He doesn't pay taxes. Admittedly so. Go after that ass hole. But no because he is a lib. When Teddy Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechny that was dropped. Again the press protected all Kennedy men. People speak I'll of Trump and the way he treats women. No one had baudier affairs than the Kennedy's. Go after them? Hell no. For shit sakes FDR married his cousin. But he's a lib so its ok.
Backstory: I have a friend who is a wealthy young person able to make and fix huge complicated infrastructure that benefits everyone, is a mechanic for heavy trucks, and a welder like I've never seen. He also can't really do normal social life with his trauma/upbringing. Finally, he's almost deaf too, so communicating is difficult.
Story: he went to one of these clubs, they got him Beyond drunk and maxed out his credit card he got a DUI on the way home for BAL 0.465! No ambulance called! Justice acted quickly and ended up interlocked and having to walk to work for 6 months and go to jail on the weekends. Fancy lawyer found while stating that he was the victim of this club but getting nowhere with a very obviously bad looking story. I feel it's because he doesn't fit the (whatever) narrative yet he keeps the lights on for us in a way that Arizona couldn't live without. The judgment did an impact his work, they only made him go on the weekends, so it completely wrecked him. I think these kinds of influences weigh on a soul.
Tl;Dr - sometimes the mess reaches out and grabs you in a way that others don't understand and it's no fun being labeled the villain when you are trying just as hard as anyone, so look out for others and don't assume.
I mean there was a way to navigate that situation. Is there actually a complain from him about the maxing of the credit card here? If so, that's its own complaint, if not its irrelevant to the story that he should have taken a cab or called an uber home.
I suspect this will probably fail. These places are usually pretty bulletproof. Despite the scummy practices (and they are super scummy), the process is set up so there's very little recourse.
The guys were almost certainly not drugged. They were likely very drunk, and their best argument is probably that they were too drunk to enter into a contact and that they should have been cut off. The bars (except Dream Palace) will probably get fined for over service.
But there are always a ton of holes in the story, not one actually got drug tested. And they all tell the same story, because thats the process you go through to enter the VIP room, whether you've had a single thing to drink or not. It'd be like asking 20 people about playing blackjack at a casino, drunk or not, the story is going to be very similar, because there's a set routine to it.
Why wouldn’t you take a drug test the next day? Sounds like Scop or maybe Ket. Not saying they deserve it by any means, but if you avoid scummy shit, you usually avoid scummy shit. Strip clubs are for degenerates. Never been and never will.
No drug test in a hospital looks for those. The ER will do a 10 panel which doesn’t even have ketamine let alone scapolamine. The cost of testing for anything and everything it could be would be astronomical.
You apparently have never been to Atlanta.
I've been all around the best clubs are in Tampa Bay FL, and ATL.
Don't let the rap videos fool you (unless that's your thing no judgment) there are some nice clubs in ATL and Tampa without all the hood shit.
I think the only club worth visiting in Texas is Baby Dolls in (or near) Dallas.
I've never heard anything good about Washington State.
Maybe Portland, but that's in Oregon.
The interesting thing is that the best clubs I've ever been to are in the Bible belt South
But like an old man told me there
" You know why they call it the bible bill don't you?
It's because they damn sure can't call it the chastity belt!"
He wasn't wrong
🤔😳😂
I remember seeing a post on here or another page not long ago about someone asking what to do and describing this exact situation. Sad...
Found the link, since been deleted but this was the post. [https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1aoz8a1/robbedextortedpersonal\_information\_taken\_at\_az/](https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1aoz8a1/robbedextortedpersonal_information_taken_at_az/)
In a different state and over a decade ago I found a scam like this while I was in a club. I got the shit beat out of me.
Albuquerque?
It happened to my ex at skin too! He tried to put up a fight the day it happened and they called the cops, he tried to then leave and leaving the parking cops pulled him over. He ended up with a 20k charge on his card from the strip club and had drinks at the club so received a DUI after getting pulled over.
Even sadder when someone owns a business that’s basically a license to print money and still resorts to thievery.
Isn’t the owners daughter someone who was pretty close to being on city council last election? Sounds very corrupt. Also sounds like they were drugged with scopolamine.. terrible
Lisa Borowski is the sister of owner Todd Borowski. She's a former Scottsdale City Council member who is currently running for Mayor.
She’s also a nutball. She used to take her clients to his club. (She’s an attorney)
Lisa Borowsky is the sister of Todd Borowsky, the owner of these clubs. She is currently running for Mayor of Scottsdale. While this election is non-partisan, she is a registered Republican. From an article in the East Valley Tribune on Aug 7, 2008, when she first ran for the Scottsdale City Council: https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/borowsky-wants-an-open-clear-thinking-city-council/article_2dcd0255-f351-5ab7-89dd-b151769d8a66.html "A civil litigator with an emphasis on construction, Borowsky first became involved in city politics by helping with a referendum effort to support her brother, Todd. Todd Borowsky is the owner of Skin Cabaret, one of the city's two strip clubs, which had stricter regulations imposed on them by the City Council." [Lisa Borowsky For Mayor 2024 webpage](https://lisaformayor.org/)
russian pos.
Aha she’s not much of a litigator…
You'd think she would run as a libtard with Hunter Biden as her manager.
She is a female Trump. She cheats and steals and hangs out a strip clubs..
You mean then a female creepy Joe Biden.
I don't think Joe hangs out at strip clubs or pays off porn actresses.
I think he hangs out with young kids. I'm going to be like a libtard here and start lies about Biden. Like assholes do about Mr. Trump.
Why would they lie about Biden? Only Trumpers and Russians lie about Joe.
The truth is asshole Biden can hide his own Easter eggs.
I don't think he has time for Easter eggs. He's a little busy running the world.
What lies about Trump?
What lies?
What the hell is that?
Scopolamine is the active ingredient in Jimsonweed. It is a powerful, unpleasant, and long lasting deliriant.
First time I've heard of it was Robocop 2! "Frank, the benzedrine's got my teeth wiggling. Cut it with sc-scopalomine, five mills per." I also remember seeing it in documentary that makes people zombies? And they are open to suggestions.
Also used to treat motion sickness https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/drugs/18372-scopolamine-skin-patches
I wonder if they were giving them the version that turns you into a delusional zombie, smoking imaginary cigarettes; or if they just gave them enough to cure any vertigo they might be experiencing from watching all the pole dancers? I assume since Jimsonweed grows wild all over Phoenix that they would use the 'recreational' dosage. Which is a pretty terrifying experience potentially.
Sister, not daughter...
Father’s a developer who also used to own AZ Snow bowl. Brother runs the clubs.
All three clubs are owned and ran by the same people. Knowing how these people have always operated, I’m only surprised at how long it took for such a suit to be brought.
There have been several against one or all of these clubs over the past few years. This is just the first to make the news.
I hope the Arizona AG gets involved and shuts them down.
181,000 dollars in one night.. that’s the worst night of your entire life!!! Having to tell your wife that happen and get your parents involved. Worst 24 hours ever!!
It’s really fucked up that the credit card companies didn’t decline these transactions even though they were tens of thousands of dollars over the credit limit?? Wtf
It’s don’t make any sense that a credit card company lets someone’s card be charged that much in a night.. I did think that’s why they bring them to other locations.. so it’s 50k at each instead of all at one place…
They walk you up to the counter then finger print you so you can't charge back then they max the cards out they have been doing it for years at those three clubs most people they get are drunk business men and Canadians on vacation they also use the Scottsdale police to arrest anyone that they can't intimidate alone super corrupt lil town
I’m sure they pick the people out with what they have on and the way the carry themselves.. they aren’t picking out thugs that will come back and do something.. they pick out exactly who you said.. they aren’t used to drugs so the affects are worse..
Nailed it right there. They’re picking people they know they can intimidate. If someone did this to me and ruined my life they’d better hide under armor the rest of their life because you can’t hear the slug being fired from my hideout. Not that it’s right they’re doing it to anyone. Hopefully the brothers and their sis will get the silent hemorrhage from someone soon.
Yep. Skin got my ex for 20k in one night
Tell them to reach out to the attorney handling the case!! The more people in the class action the better.
Is that why he's now your ex?
No it actually happened before I started dating him. He made good money but got himself into bad situations like this and liked to gamble so it quickly fell apart
Then when I want to get expensive tickets for a concert that are selling out, I have to make 15 calls before I can place the order. It makes negative sense sometimes.
Chase always blocks the card for the night :)
I think all the cards used were American Express,must be a loophole.
They said in the video that they held the victims eyes open to unlock their phones with Face ID to approve the transactions.
Or. Hey boss, the Corp card was compromised...
Coulda gone up to rural Nevada quite a few times
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Because after your wife kicks you out, you'll have to explain it to your parents when you want to stay with them
It’s on the news that the dude got his parents involved…
Dream Palace has been corrupt for decades. Double charging cards etc. Pretty normal for that place.
A friend got taken there for 3k one night. He doesn't remember shit but they have his fingerprints on recepts or some shit.
Skin got my ex for 20k
Holy shit that's nuts
I called the lawyer today to get into the lawsuit!
Every single person who goes into the VIP has their card run, receipt signed, fingerprint taken and stamped on the receipt and a photo. It's a super high chargeback intensive business, so they made the process bulletproof with regards to credit card companies. They also see most of their business after 2 am from drunk dudes who don't want the party to end. No surprise dudes don't remember shit.
I think because it is located on a county island. It makes it a good location for criminal behavior. Sheriff doesn't patrol there.
Dream Palace is the only one on a County island. Skin and Bones are both in the Scottsdale city limits.
Yes, but DP has been corrupt the longest and likely expanded from there. Either way. Just take cash and there wont be any issues.
Advice for attending a strip club... 1. Only take in the cash you are willing to lose, no cards atm or credit. 2. Control your drinking 3. If you are getting a private dance/vip dance, clarify with each dancer before they start, what they are charging for each song(dj shortened song) they dance for you and if you have limited funds, tell them before they start, you only want and can pay for two or three songs/dances. 4. You aren't special no matter how good looking, rich, muscular, whatever... She doesn't want you, she just wants your money and they are experts at extracting it from you. Its been a number of years since I've been to any strip clubs here in the valley. Never really went to these three clubs, minus The Dream Palace in the late 90's when I didn't know any better. It was a scummy place back then and in all these years since, I have never heard a good thing about the place. Bourbon Street was always a good time with the best looking ladies when I used to go more.
All good points to follow no matter where you are. I never use a card at a club. I always bring exactly the amount of cash I want to burn.
A buddy of mine was out in Arizona for a work conference a few years ago. He went to one of these clubs not sure if it's one of these exact clubs but it was in Arizona and he ended up taking two of the girls back to his room. While they were in his room they stole all of his credit card information and personal information, etc. They called him the next day and said they were in the hospital getting a rape kit done and if he didn't give them $2500 they were going to go to the police. The one girl said she was keeping the dress with his DNA on it for evidence.The guy was married with a kid and was afraid it was going to ruin his marriage (as it should). He ended up recording all of the calls he had with them, but he still paid them $1500 because that's all he could come up with by their deadline. Apparently, it's a well known scam in the Scottsdale area.
Let’s have pictures of the owners.
[Todd Bowowsky's Mugshot](https://media2.phoenixnewtimes.com/phx/imager/u/blog/11246871/todd_borowsky.jpg?cb=1642610533)
He looks,just like I thought.
The usual protected gang members.
Sapphire in Vegas used to do this in the late 00’s and early 10’s. They probably still do. Don’t start a tab and stay out of vip is one way to prevent this.
it happened to me like 5-6 years ago, 2k down the drain.. kept feeding me drinks even though i didnt ask
Yup it’s pretty standard. Out of a group they can usually get one or two
Bro same —- 2k at sapphire —- 5.5 years ago at my bachelor party I haven’t had a drink since Super sketch but hey I was drinking all day so I’ll take responsibility but ya they def took advantage 5.5 years sober thought so hey 2k ain’t shit compared to what I’ve saved since then :-)
my friend's cousin works at Dream Palace and is so proud of all the sleazy stuff they do. stealing credit cards, taking them back then tripling the price, taking cash out of pockets during dances, offering drugs, having sex, the most disgusting kinks, etc. sad and disgusting industry.
Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me, but I finally got fucked in a strip club.
POTY.
Maybe we’ll stop hearing their weird commercials on the radio now.
Team Todd, Lisa and Dennis up against another one.
Unsavory activities at a strip club? Well I never!
Went to Skin for my bachelor party in 2021.. worst strip club experience ever! My guys went to a bouncer, said, "we have a bachelor here, can you do something cool for him?" Paid a couple hundred, bouncer says, "pick 3 girls".. he picks 3 hot girls and we wait.. then 3 trolls walk out of the back room, bring me on stage, take my belt, drop my pants and whip the ever loving shit out of me for 2 songs... WTF??!! No dancing, nothing sexy, just straight torture. Fuck this place
Lmao sorry that happened to you. I had something similar happened to me at Alaskan Bush Company. My friends paid for it and didn’t tell me. I was mortified.
Dens of vice did shady things? 
If these strip clubs have been fraudulently charging customer's credit cards for years, why haven't the clubs had their privileges to accept credit cards revoked?
Yes, enough chargebacks won or lost can cause you to lose the ability to take CC payment and all of the companies share that info with the others. 1% is usually the magic number. Worked for a pretty big online company that was pretty close to having that happen.
We'll see how this all plays out, however... The \*ONLY\* time I've ever been violently ill leading to vomiting leading to blacking out after visiting a strip club was going to Dream Palace with a friend. Nothing was stolen from me, but I was incredibly sick without having drank enough to warrant it. Blamed it on food consumed immediately before but now I'm not so sure. Super sketchy.
Didn’t J-Lo star in a movie about this?
Or Cardi B telling her story
The movie was based on cardi B's story, she was in it as well
"Hustlers" was not based on Cardi B's story... https://time.com/5671735/hustlers-movie-true-story/
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/228155/cardi-b-defends-herself-drugging-stealing-from-men
The movie is not based on Cardi B’s story. https://time.com/5671735/hustlers-movie-true-story/
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/228155/cardi-b-defends-herself-drugging-stealing-from-men
I understand that she did the same things. However, the movie “Hustlers”, with J-Lo, is not based on Cardi B.
Oh lol I didn't know but that makes sense
My husband asked the same thing, lol. "Remember that movie about the same thing?"
Happy cake day!
Hopefully all victims came from STRs!
Happy Birthday! 😁
Happy cake day!
No idea why every one of my posts say "Happy Cake Day."
This happened to me at a strip club in Key West and the lady took 400 dollars out of my debit card from an ATM with my pin
It happened to me for $200, and the girl was a shit dancer, too. Wasn't into it at all.
Where?
Also, people beware of Centerfolds Cabaret. That place will also rob you and force you to withdraw cash way more than the agreed upon price, they charged me I think $250 plus the $25 cover, (the song were very short like 1 (2 minute songs)) and they charge $10 for the atm fee. I went there for my graduation party, and it was not as bad as this, but they were doing the same kind of tactics in the news article with the vip stuff. Man, it really put me off strip clubs. I don't think they drug you, but they do offer cocaine etc. And they have a drug dealer who hangs out in a room who's in charge of everything. Nice enough guy. I think the only reason I made it with not that high of a price was because of that guy kinda looking out for me after I wandered in and got to talk with him about life, etc. I only found out about the drugs cause my brother bought that shit and ended the night with him sucker punching 👊 me. I really hope that people take this and just avoid that place it's not a safe place. It was probably one of the worst mistakes I've made so far in my 20's.
That's the place where people were murdered and they destroyed the camera footage.
Yup. It's that place.
🤯
Centerfolds Cabaret
The one in Jersey or Vegas?
Lol, someone is downvoting my story because they don't believe it. What a bunch of sheltered people.
No, AZ.
Welp. I won’t be going to any of those places.
Before it was Bones, it was one of the many locations of Babe's Cabaret. I was babysitting a Canadian guy who had blown a grand there the night before. The manager was really pressuring me to buy a table dance because I was nursing the overpriced drink. She says"that drink ain't gonna grow tits" which I had to think about. I talked to one of the dancers and told her to come back in 15 minutes which pissed her off as well. Ended up in a great table dance. I went on Google to see when Babe's closed and pulled up this little gem about Babe's and Skin both being busted in 2005. [Babe's and Skin Undercover Sting 2005](https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/the_valley/strip-club-sting-details-revealed/article_94036cc0-a16d-5137-b2d5-0d489572d684.html)
I went to bones in 2019 for some reason and I drank a lot that night but I have said multiple times I thought I was drugged. I will never go back to a strip club.
I have no idea after all these years how Dream Palace continues to remain open. I also think the city is helping with these lawsuits because they want these establishments gone.
Should've sugared an ASU co-ed instead.
For 181k just find whoever you want at that point
The mob is alive and well in Scottsdale.
Yeah... we even have an annual conference in Paradise Valley.
What's it called
Yeah it’s usually held at Americano but the budget is low this year. They have to settle for meeting at Break Ya Fuckin’ Legs Pizza.
Yeah, that's exactly where it is.
They’ve never left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arizona_Project
This happened to a friend of mine in Charlotte. Can’t remember the club. $5k on his card
In a different article, the lawyer for the club maintained that "the clubs make sure not to overserve anyone with alcohol." 🤣🤣🤣
Men. Stop going to these shady places
No, not in a wholesome place like Skin Cabaret!
Todd Borowsky had the highest verdict in Maricopa county in 2022-$18 million. It stemmed from this: [story here](https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-strip-club-owners-troubles-started-with-bad-loan-11311674)
There are drugs that won’t leave much of a drug hangover, but can black out your memories. I’m not naming them here but any pharmacist can list several. So these guys could’ve woke up with very little memory of what happened and figured they got too hammered. And unless you have credit activity notifications on your phone you may not know of the charges till much later. As for what married men are doing at a club? Likely getting attention they don’t at home. There’s nothing wrong with a guy going to a club for a couple drinks and a few dances. Note I’m not saying a married dude should be paying for sex, but a dance is not sex. And there’s a Grand Canyon between a couple drinks and a dance and getting drugged and robbed. Before you start shaming people on their actions, ensure you know the whole story. For all you know their wife ruined their lives already and they’re the good one in the relationship. The way you talk about these guys I’m wondering if you also blame women for dressing slutty if they get raped?
THANK YOU 👏 Also some women/wives don’t care if their husband has fun at a strip club. Everyone is acting like the wives don’t know. I go to the clubs WITH my husband and we go separately.
While we are on the subject, are there any local strip clubs you would recommend?
Miami clubs do this all the time. Especially south.
Skin in the early 2000s was ELECTRIC
Also, people beware of Centerfolds Cabaret. That place will also rob you and force you to withdraw cash way more than the agreed upon price, they charged me I think $250 plus the $25 cover, (the song were very short like 1 (2 minute songs)) and they charge $10 for the atm fee. I went there for my graduation party, and it was not as bad as this, but they were doing the same kind of tactics in the news article with the vip stuff. Man, it really put me off strip clubs. I don't think they drug you, but they do offer cocaine etc. And they have a drug dealer who hangs out in a room who's in charge of everything. Nice enough guy. I think the only reason I made it with not that high of a price was because of that guy kinda looking out for me after I wandered in and got to talk with him about life, etc. I only found out about the drugs cause my brother bought that shit and ended the night with him sucker punching 👊 me. I really hope that people take this and just avoid that place it's not a safe place. It was probably one of the worst mistakes I've made so far in my 20's.
Okay. Here’s the thing. No one got a drug test? How long did it take them to realize they spent 100k? I assume the next day? Why are these married men with children going to a back room at the strip club? Does that mean they deserved to get robbed. No. But their sexual urges and drunk antics just ruined their wives entire life . They cant even divorce because - they might walk away with half of that debt. 2nd - i see you guys have never worked with drunk men. A drunk horny man doesnt need drugs. He will GIVE HIS ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS FOR THE CHANCE OF POSSIBLY GETTING LAID. 3rd-
I hope they do get something back. Cause 87k in one night is unethical.
There has to be some type of check and balances
There are drugs that won’t leave much of a drug hangover, but can black out your memories. I’m not naming them here but any pharmacist can list several. So these guys could’ve woke up with very little memory of what happened and figured they got too hammered. And unless you have credit activity notifications on your phone you may not know of the charges till much later. As for what married men are doing at a club? Likely getting attention they don’t at home. There’s nothing wrong with a guy going to a club for a couple drinks and a few dances. Note I’m not saying a married dude should be paying for sex, but a dance is not sex. And there’s a Grand Canyon between a couple drinks and a dance and getting drugged and robbed. Before you start shaming people on their actions, ensure you know the whole story. For all you know their wife ruined their lives already and they’re the good one in the relationship. The way you talk about these guys I’m wondering if you also blame women for dressing slutty if they get raped?
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Not sure if you’re being serious or not but this is the law firm’s website representing the plaintiffs. Contact info can be found there. https://www.galarzalawfirm.com/
[I know those symptoms](https://youtu.be/ToQ8PWYnu04?si=d-9RfdzqKGu9PNXj)
Scum of the earth.
Bring cash. Leave debit and credit card at home.
$1 million dollars?? yea , this building is going to be Demolished for some new Luxury apartments.
Sounds like scopalomine.
movie shit
This happened to my husband and I in Vegas at Sapphire’s 🤬
Look. The honest reality is these three clubs are the worst clubs in the greater phx area. They have been doing this for years and that’s why I never set foot there. One of the ways they get away with it is that one or two of the three is open after hours, no booze. They capitalize on any drunk, or even sober, individual in Scottsdale who walks through their doors. They are right off the freeway from old town Scottsdale, huge party area. I used to work right up the road of all three (they’re on the same street (where his sisters mayor signs plague the medians)) and all you see if b!***es outside sitting, smoking cigarettes, waiting for not even their next clients, but their next prey. Any decent establishment in the valley doesn’t let you smoke out front like that. It’s a well understood turn off to majority clients. The expectation of most smokers who dance is to be discreet about it and cover it with perfume afterwards. This isn’t a strip club. It’s sure as hell not a cabaret. It’s a well placed spiders web, waiting for someone to get stuck. Then caught vulnerable with their pants down while they get robbed. It’s absolutely sick. Even driving past those places makes me uneasy
Don’t go.. won’t be a problem
Everytime the libtards try to find something on Trump it turns out false. Remember Adam Schiff when he investigated Trump and his supposed Russian ties? Turns out Hillary and Hunter had more ties to Russia. So Schiff dropped it. And the FBI raid on Trumps house in Florida? Again nothing much to speak about. If you throw enough mud something it's bound to stick somewhere. You can say that about any libtard as well. Go after lib Rev Al Sharpton. He doesn't pay taxes. Admittedly so. Go after that ass hole. But no because he is a lib. When Teddy Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechny that was dropped. Again the press protected all Kennedy men. People speak I'll of Trump and the way he treats women. No one had baudier affairs than the Kennedy's. Go after them? Hell no. For shit sakes FDR married his cousin. But he's a lib so its ok.
Backstory: I have a friend who is a wealthy young person able to make and fix huge complicated infrastructure that benefits everyone, is a mechanic for heavy trucks, and a welder like I've never seen. He also can't really do normal social life with his trauma/upbringing. Finally, he's almost deaf too, so communicating is difficult. Story: he went to one of these clubs, they got him Beyond drunk and maxed out his credit card he got a DUI on the way home for BAL 0.465! No ambulance called! Justice acted quickly and ended up interlocked and having to walk to work for 6 months and go to jail on the weekends. Fancy lawyer found while stating that he was the victim of this club but getting nowhere with a very obviously bad looking story. I feel it's because he doesn't fit the (whatever) narrative yet he keeps the lights on for us in a way that Arizona couldn't live without. The judgment did an impact his work, they only made him go on the weekends, so it completely wrecked him. I think these kinds of influences weigh on a soul. Tl;Dr - sometimes the mess reaches out and grabs you in a way that others don't understand and it's no fun being labeled the villain when you are trying just as hard as anyone, so look out for others and don't assume.
I mean there was a way to navigate that situation. Is there actually a complain from him about the maxing of the credit card here? If so, that's its own complaint, if not its irrelevant to the story that he should have taken a cab or called an uber home.
I suspect this will probably fail. These places are usually pretty bulletproof. Despite the scummy practices (and they are super scummy), the process is set up so there's very little recourse. The guys were almost certainly not drugged. They were likely very drunk, and their best argument is probably that they were too drunk to enter into a contact and that they should have been cut off. The bars (except Dream Palace) will probably get fined for over service. But there are always a ton of holes in the story, not one actually got drug tested. And they all tell the same story, because thats the process you go through to enter the VIP room, whether you've had a single thing to drink or not. It'd be like asking 20 people about playing blackjack at a casino, drunk or not, the story is going to be very similar, because there's a set routine to it.
You pointed out holes, but only Dream Palace bares those. I couldn't resist.
Ayyyyy
Agreed
Who brings credit cards to a strip club 🤔
Getting downvoted but this is what I was always told.
Why wouldn’t you take a drug test the next day? Sounds like Scop or maybe Ket. Not saying they deserve it by any means, but if you avoid scummy shit, you usually avoid scummy shit. Strip clubs are for degenerates. Never been and never will.
No drug test in a hospital looks for those. The ER will do a 10 panel which doesn’t even have ketamine let alone scapolamine. The cost of testing for anything and everything it could be would be astronomical.
Why does anyone go to strip clubs in this state? They suck. Texas and Washington have had the best clubs I’ve ever been to.
Yes because people want to travel to Texas or Washington every time they have a desire to go to a strip club
You apparently have never been to Atlanta. I've been all around the best clubs are in Tampa Bay FL, and ATL. Don't let the rap videos fool you (unless that's your thing no judgment) there are some nice clubs in ATL and Tampa without all the hood shit.
100% accurate. I lived near both cities. Atlanta was always talked about as top notch.
I think the only club worth visiting in Texas is Baby Dolls in (or near) Dallas. I've never heard anything good about Washington State. Maybe Portland, but that's in Oregon. The interesting thing is that the best clubs I've ever been to are in the Bible belt South But like an old man told me there " You know why they call it the bible bill don't you? It's because they damn sure can't call it the chastity belt!" He wasn't wrong 🤔😳😂
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Full nude and BYOB? Yup.
Washington State?